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jkeezie
People should remember that he endorsed Andrew Yang, running on the platform of UBI, as the Democratic candidate,
GirlAlex
This needs to be reposted more bc people keep misrepresenting what he said to fit their own agenda
ohnogeez
He derranges people more than trump, but Trump is offensive and vulgur so I get it, but I don't get why people hate Elon
artwalk2019co
He got a billion dollars of government money for a factory in Buffalo. You're in a cult.
Evanrudeplz
Elon Musk is the embodiment of the Don't Meet Your Heroes principle. He was the shit when he was the Tesla Space Man; that gave him a 1
Evanrudeplz
platform to start opening his mouth. 2
sirbartonslady
All this talk of another stimulus, but I've yet to hear that any of it, any at all, will be going to the millions who lost their jobs
sirbartonslady
In fact, last I heard, McConnell says extending unemployment benefits is a non-starter.
ChrisYourself
Didn't he sue to have his factory running again during quarantine?
MexicanTrainer
He sued the county where his factories are probably. There was the whole thing on his twitter about him putting them back to work in April.
hateanyway
yeah. not really sure how that's relevant here, but I believe he did
BringingRationalityBack
it's relevant because he doesn't give a shit about his workers. he also won't let them unionize.
AstroExplained
Meh, it's relevant because he's been acting and downplaying covid in CA, while now kinda shit talking efforts for a stimulus package
ohnogeez
He's absolutely right.
Azawarau
He's taken alot of hypocritical and outright backwards stances recently so I've been cautious of anything he says
ItsActuallyDavidNow
Musk is a utilitarian?
hateanyway
that actually makes a lot of sense, now that you mention it. that really aligns all of his crazy tweets
BanderasForScale
Shoulda also put in the tweet supporting coups
hateanyway
people are bad at knowing when they're being trolled
randomwalrus
Yeah, how dare they not immediately fall over in laughter, when somebody goes and makes a "joke" about current ongoing atrocities.
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
Looks more like a shitty joke than actual support of coups
peppermintgal
The latter tweet seems more pedantic, rather than demonstrating the former tweet is sarcastic. At best, you could spin this as apathy.
DonutZlut
The government should act in the best interest of the people. Wahhh govt lemme open my factory during a global pandemic
DewiMorgan
Ah, this is much saner than the previous out-of-context version I saw.
Ilikestyx
Says the guy who turned his factories into death traps... shut up you bald fuck!
TautologyIsWhatItIs
I hate Elongated Muskrat, but he's not wrong. Also, let's stop calling it stimulus. It's relief.
Pawz4life
Be careful of inflation...
ohnogeez
money printer goo brrrrrrrr
Sighered
This is why Twitter is a stupid fucking platform for discourse. A real discussion entails nuanced complexity. It’s impossible on there
SpaceKidSpliff
don't forget this man is anti union. And runs one of the most dangerous factories in the us
DonalDangerMaher
There's a big difference between a well managed stimulus package and a payout to your rich buddies. The US government did the latter.
Lobuttomize
Think you're confusing the stimulus and the small business bailout things
heartsfang
Yes, the small business grants and loans that megacorps sucked up and the pittance that some Americans got.
memeseeks
Musk is one of those people
yourereadingthiswrong
Preach brother
HaveGinWillBabble
RelevantImgurian
“Payout to your rich buddies” Dude... they stole billions from their own people and let million suffer, jobless and without healthcare.
Roqinn
This next stimulus package is to get the rest of their buddies!
urgotobekiddingme
People still believing ethical billionaires exist?
FreddyBarnsniffer
His entire business career has been based around handouts. Lol
jnoahj
Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.
mystichead
I think he was mocking the sentiment that some overly idealistic, bullish, counterproductive have of any very successful entrepreneurs
jnoahj
I hope you're right.
ispentwaytoolongthinkingaboutthis
This guys companies relied on gov stimulus multiple times
TheWhiteBarry
As opposed to legacy automakers. They definitely never got bailed out right? Figgeritout
MexicanTrainer
They cancelled several contracts with the government years ago when Trump shut down the government.
ScriptOn
You should learn to research https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-repays-department-energy-loan-nine-years-early
ispentwaytoolongthinkingaboutthis
You should learn to read my comment
SherMattLockSmith
It doesn't rely on "stimulus", it relied on subsidies designed to spur development in the EV market which is exactly what it did.
THEcableguy
This guy really gets it!
STGxDante
If we gave everyone the money that was thrown right into the stock market we would actually be a contender for one of the best countries.
STGxDante
Cause it was.morally the correct way to kickstart the economy, but that doesn't directly and immediately help shit CEOs.
drh1138
UBI doesn't solve the fact that the billionaires control the economy. We need to seize their holdings and democratize the workplace.
wetqueef
He’s a moron in so many ways
MrTay
He’s right. If you inject cash at the consumer level the government gets the money back fast because it flows. If people have to much 1/
MrTay
Money it sits in investments or bank accounts or a depreciating asset
lecruest
what? money just trickles right back up to the rich people who owns the businesses. Like have you seen the current model?
MrTay
A small fraction of it. Think about how that money circulates. It will be passed multiple times and taxed multiple times. It doesn’t 1.
MrTay
Just shoot it’s way to the top. It helps businesses more by making a stronger consumer class. It really really doesn’t just shoot it’s 2/
MrTay
Way to the top
Rayfasa
That’s what Canada did. 82 billion spent, every tax payer got 2000$ a month for 3 months. Zero for corporations. Look it up. I’m off a bit.
alsowhatsaderp
Ummm Canadian here. Did not get $2000. You had to apply and be accepted.
ThisGuyPostingThings
You are on a few levels. The CERB isn't the only initiative the federal government implemented. For instance, there's a wage subsidy...1/?
ThisGuyPostingThings
...as well as a program which would cover a portion of commercial rent for smaller businesses, paying the landlord directly if they...2/?
ThisGuyPostingThings
...agreed to reduce rent during the period. The CERB also applies to people temporarily laid off/substantially reduced hours, which...3/?
ThisGuyPostingThings
...is an indirect wage subsidy for businesses that don't want people to work enough hours. Nevermind questions about WE.
SatansBestBuddy
Canadian here. No. People who applied got CERB, not everyone by default. Corporations got around $50 billion of that $82 billion.
dave262
No sorry that doesn’t with OPs narrative you must be fake news
Ilikestyx
....no. Every taxpayer did not get $2000/month.....
Somanyquestions
Every tax payer who asked for it. Not everyone is eligible.
Rayfasa
Thanks for clarifying.
Somanyquestions
They are not checking who really needed it for now as it would slow down the process, but they said they would verify after.
Ilikestyx
It's easy to verify, which is why over 300,000 people gave their money back to avoid having to pay it back next tax season.
sc363
Yeah, best to pay it back if you don't qualify. Though people on welfare or disability don't so...
Ilikestyx
social assistance and disability aren't CERB and shouldn't be compared.
addsdower
It was not given to every tax payer, only those who lost wages due to covid were eligible.
Rayfasa
Thanks for clarifying
ElChupaNuggra
Many of us still had access to guaranteed work, child care, etc. It wasn't perfect but it was done damn well.
Scalam1
Do the ones that didnt get any get hit with the taxes later? I didnt really pay attention to it
ElChupaNuggra
To be fair I'm not fully clear on that myself, I think that it might be deferred payments, aka what you didn't pay will be put on the 1/?
ElChupaNuggra
back end of mortgages etc. But I've seen some low income, might be capable to apply for debt forgiveness on some things. It's a policy 2/?
sureasyourebornyourenevergoingtoseenounicorn
There was more comments he made that were much less nice
StephenDaniels
I think Trump's track record points to him being on the side of the guy who got ousted.
MexicanTrainer
This is not the "middle of the lane" I asked for.
whyexactly
He's not a nice person
JustAnotherVictimOfAmbientMorality
Wtf is this, an excercise in the importance of primary sources? 2nd time today I see a Musk twitter conversation cut in half like that.
sadiablo
Could you also not do the same as said in first post and read all? This was clearly sarcastic response.
Vashon92
Classic Imgur
WowSoSparkly
"haha omg he's so funny", say the hordes of bros who will gobble up any bullshit he produces just because he's another very rich douchebag
Elkaiza
I don't think it's because he's a rich. If anything, that would be the reason people don't like him
WowSoSparkly
except the deluded pricks who think that liking his tweets will bring them closer to their idol and his social status, somehow.
whyexactly
Where do they get their cobalt?
BenSnow97
from the Lord Ruler's mines
dvs2nite
Same place as everyone else...in a pit of human suffering. But they have put a LOT of money into getting rid of cobalt. Soon hopefully.
Richter12x2
Chevy Dealerships
Amylol
Probably Borean Tundra
NobodyExpectsTheSpanishInquistion
The coup in Bolivia drove the global price of lithium down, including Australian lithium. He still benefited immensely.
eion85
That is a good counterpoint, but is there evidence for Musk specifically calling for a coup, or is this just an idiotic remark?
NobodyExpectsTheSpanishInquistion
Not that I know of, but a member of the elite class joking about a war crime which directly benefited him is just pretty sketchy.
eion85
Which is just why CEOs should NEVER use twitter. Ever. Even if it was just a joke in poor taste the optics are awful.
eion85
He surely has a marketing department. Pay someone to run his social media, and make that rare -EM tweet when he really needs to say it.
destinoz
Are we taking that tweet literally? Maybe I’m wrong but that reads like a joke.
hmmmmmeh
Agreed
neutronfish
It’s obviously a joke but not one in good taste to put it mildly.
cousteau
It's on the Internet and doesn't have an /s at the end, so it is definitely not sarcasm. /s
totallycooldude
Just because it’s a joke doesn’t make it suddenly an appropriate thing to say in that situation.
ZeroLogain
No, but it does change it from horrifying to innapropriare.
JustAnotherPlantMom
A very not funny joke? No one whose country has lost levels democracy thx to daddy usa is laughing
destinoz
Is Bolivia among those countries? Evo Morales used a stacked court to break the countries term limit laws and ran away awfully fast.
AmArschdieRaeuber
I mean it's a joke, but as a response to a serious allegation, which he basically confirmed. Jokes sometimes mean something.
destinoz
He didn’t confirm anything, was obviously joking, and what governments other than Maduro are calling what happened in Bolivia a coup?
im2short2die
Every tweet on Twitter is to be taken in its literal and serious form. You can’t joke in a tweet
MexicanTrainer
HAHA! MURDER IS FUNNY! /s
lecruest
they invented /s for a reason.
OphelianAshe
Yeah isn't it basically like an american saying "You've got oil? Prepare for some freedom!"
IATTM
Ahem did somebody say oil? Looks like you could use some freedom.
AmArschdieRaeuber
But the typical american usually isn't a huge contributing factor in a foreign coup.
haroldmann
He’s South African, they are legit crazy by DNA
barnwolf
That's legit racist.
haroldmann
I don’t even know where to start with that one
unownlanguage
I finy dey freeky and i like 'em alot
haroldmann
Sexy boys Fancy boys Playboys Bad boys
mcglirkymeow
My doc is SA. He’s so weird but a damned good doc.
haroldmann
That’s the crazy gene
mobleshairmagnet
Can confirm. Went to school with a South African. He was a Dick (his name is Richard). Good dude, though.
OrC23
Charlize Theron.
haroldmann
Now your just stating names
Magjee
Hey bru, fuck you
GRMM
His main company has also accepted like 4 billion in handouts that could be referred to a stimulus programs. Elon is a joke
Elcarsh
So, his company took grants from the government intended for expanding businesses, and used it to expand his business?
GRMM
My writing was crap, but you know what I mean...
MexicanTrainer
I think he wants a more permanent UBI than a 1 time stimulus. Don't get me wrong, I like the cash, but it'd be better every month.
MexicanTrainer
That was more money than I have ever had in my life.
GRMM
And coups!
MexicanTrainer
Well obviously that's a dumb thing to want.
SherMattLockSmith
His company accepted subsidies designed to let companies invest more into developing the EV market, which is exactly what he did.
GRMM
And boy does it work! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/14/elon-musk-fights-california-billions-subsidies-teslas-electric/amp/
SherMattLockSmith
Perhaps have a link I can actually, you know..... read?
GRMM
SherMattLockSmith
And yes, I disagree with how he is handling the coronavirus, but the two have nothing to do with each other....
AstroExplained
@OP: people were only reading the 1st tweet because that's all there was until he "clarified" after receiving backlash.
AstroExplained
Btw, since it was pointed out. The 2nd tweet was ~6 minutes after the 1st. My lack of twitter experience made my think it was longer between
charlie2979
6 minutes is a long time when you're a billionaire with a fragile ego.
itman496
I remember reading stuff about him being in support of universal basic income a few years before 2020.
AstroExplained
He has, at least in statements. However, saying that now while also saying short term help isn't good, is just a cover. UBI will take ages.
Nooneinfamous
Thanks! I really just wanted to put that up to avoid us condemning a person on just 1 tweet. He may well deserve it, but let’s always look 1
NoUseYourName9000
Weirdnerrdefendingelonmusk.jpg give it a fucking rest. He's not going to blow you.
Nooneinfamous
at all the the available facts. I’d also to see the entire exchange if anyone has the time to put it together! 2
ThatWillBuffOut
1st tweet: 3:44 PM. Second tweet: 3:50 PM
ThatWillBuffOut
(GMT)
AstroExplained
Really? o.O I'm not used to dealing with Twitter shit - one had a date the other had hours, so typically that means a longer time elapsed...
Vashon92
So that is why you lied?
peppermintgal
They didnt lie. One has a date, one has "hours ago." Don't assume malice when genuine confusion can explain.
ThatWillBuffOut
Just twitter's idiosyncratic way of doing things.
AstroExplained
That's....yeah, a "special" way of doing things...
AstroExplained
He says it's not in the best "interests" of people, as if he'd know better, but he didn't propose any better viable solution for NOW
MexicanTrainer
The way I understand it is that he doesn't want a 1 time deal (stimulus package) but something that continues indefinitely (UBI)
AstroExplained
Yes, but that will not be able to get done anytime remotely soon, especially not with the current Senate and WH. It's not realistic at all.
Woodcastle
I don't think that's his job to be honest, it's more likely to no enough to say that isn't right then to be knowledgeable enough to solve it
AstroExplained
Yeah, except it's highly presumptuous/arrogant to claim it's not in peoples interests,especially when you contribute NOTHING as alternatives
Woodcastle
Not really. It's not in peoples best interests to vote for corrupt politicians. There are solutions people are aware of, but none we want
Woodcastle
To implement it seems and I am not knowledgeable enough to propose a working solution. I only know what we do now doesn't work.
howdyho
... But he literally does provide his idea of a better solution, right there in the third tweet. Disagree with it if you want, but its there
AstroExplained
Except UBI is not short term, and there is literally NO WAY to get it implemented in the time needed. Unless he' talking about what is
AstroExplained
in the package, which includes direct payments, as before...
howdyho
I mean he says "if we do a stimulus, it should be direct payments to consumers". I'm no elon fanboy, but that meets your criteria.
KeepYourTangoAndYourFoxtrot
He says some weird shit sometimes, but considering how PPP and the first stimulus went, it's hard to disagree.
ButterfaceTaintClown
shut up, consumer.
blumpk1npie
Purchasing power parity?
Tyaldan
The only thing you can do is convince people who think education is the devil, that voting for the fucks that keep doing it is bad for em.
sordatos
He is a mixed bag of politics.
somnif
Also seems to have manic/depressive issues, which may or may not be adequately medicated.
sordatos
Is possible too.
TheForbiddenSemicolon
A broken clock...
korfjoy
Will somebody think of the share holders!
Danishlmgurian
Noh!
WizardofAnus
Honestly, I think even they would profit significantly more (past one quarter) from consumers getting the money, anyway.
korfjoy
Totally. American Puritan politics has dictated that people spending money is almost sinful but demands cooperate Capitalistism
djzapz
Fair about that. But yeah he's weird sometimes. This happened yesterday, pretty messed up and obnoxious IMO
WhyisnoIDavailable
He honestly seems to simply act like a troll online, which lines up pretty well with his personality if you forget he's super influent...
rumandbass
Whoa
Ikwilstroopwaffels
People still need money. Just because the last one was corrupted doesn't mean another is not very necessary.
Ghostlogicz
He isn’t saying it isn’t , Elon said all the new one should go to the regular every man and those ppl spending should be what boosts economy
Kaoss01
Is that not what happened?
Ghostlogicz
https://2oqz471sa19h3vbwa53m33yj-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/anatomy-of-covid-19-stimulus-package-3.jpg
Kaoss01
I'm assuming the issue people have with this is the 25% going to large corporations?
crustaceansaremyhomeboys
PPP?
Morphe
pentose phosphate pathway.
KeepYourTangoAndYourFoxtrot
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/here-are-some-billionaires-who-got-ppp-loans-while-small-n1233041
HighImpactSexualViolence
Paycheck Protection Program. The loans meant for small business to cover payroll expenses through the shutdown
Ghostlogicz
My small Bussiness with a market value of 20m is really hurting please help uncle trump
FettsMiata
It's a penis, but bigger.
RunnerSeven
idownvoteyouruglycats
Ya you know me
W0b0
I'm down with ppp
Matt420itsmybirthdayimnotapothead
"so is your mom" that's what an asshole would say, but not me. I'd never say something mean like that.
W0b0
You coulda said. " yeah you know me" but I know you. Youd never say that lol
evilspock
Thing is: government stimulus could happen in a short enough time frame to be useful. UBI isn't going to happen soon enough.
insanumingenium
It could happen in time, they choose not to, don't give them an excuse them for that fact. If they cared they could take care of people.
evilspock
They don't. And it's not like they're going "we almost had to do it, but @evilspock gave us an excuse, whew'
insanumingenium
Why advance tired and fraudulent excuses? You are serving their cause. For good or ill, people tend to believe what they see. Demand more!
evilspock
You honestly think UBI could be done, during this time period, by this administration? Fascinating.
insanumingenium
Could be, yes, no question it's within their grasp. Likely, no. Getting a letter every month claiming personal credit would be weird though.
Nubsva
His argument wasn't "We need to pass UBI so we don't need stimulus". It was "We need stimulus without special interests getting shit"
evilspock
We may as well with for elves to fix everything overnight while we sleep. Every interest is a special interest.
putcleverusernamehere
You misspelled *never.UBI will never happen. Proof: minimum wage has been$7.25/hr for 11 yrs.Then there's universal healthcare to talk about
papalongshlong
1/ So cause there wasn’t change for 11 years it means UBI will NEVER happen? We also didn’t have minimum wages for over a century, until
papalongshlong
2/ the push for it was strong enough, likewise its only never going to happen if people don’t push for it hard enough and give up
putcleverusernamehere
Not saying it shouldn't, but we don't even have the consensus to get the min wage to the mid-high teens where it belongs
SuperDuperSkateTeam
Adapt or die.
GrumpyOldMillennial
UBI won't happen successfully unless there is price capping. If everyone suddenly got $400mo, then corps would just inflate prices and
GrumpyOldMillennial
The whole purpose behind UBI would be completely pointless.
hateanyway
the CARES act is basically already UBI, so it can happen quickly if they want it to happen quickly.
papalongshlong
1/Exactly, it’s not an issue of speed, it’s an issue of them not caring enough to make it a priority. They just went on a vacation
papalongshlong
2/ while we were going through this massive crisis for Christ sake
hoistedbymyownpetard
If the US Government can mobilize thousands of troops and ordnance with support and have them conduct operations halfway around the world-
hoistedbymyownpetard
I think they can effectively establish a working Universal Income to it’s citizens within days.
Idonthaveausernamesowtfever
Yes, but UBI doesn't give money to their friends in the defense industry.
hoistedbymyownpetard
Nope, and Universal health would cripple the Insurance industry, fairer laws - with a less corrupt justice system would... you get my point.
Idonthaveausernamesowtfever
UBI, Healthcare, a better education system. Yeah, that would make everything better. Except you know, make rich people richer
BenSnow97
Giving everyone in the US $400 a week would take about 6.8 trillion dollars a month. According to Fortune, the 500 largest companies of >
TomatoGayplanter654
Good thing the US dollar is Fiat and not backed by gold that could legitimately suffer from hyper inflation.
BenSnow97
*a year, not a month (also, every other number here is yearly too)
BenSnow97
the US have $14.2 trillion in revenue and represent two thirds of the economy of the country. If I get that right, that makes it around >
BenSnow97
$21 trillion for the total economy, and if corporate revenue (not profits, revenue) was taxed 33% that would make UBI possible at this >
BenSnow97
level. I know this sounds extreme, but given that this money would go straight back into the economy it wouldn't kill companies, just >
BenSnow97
change how they operate. It would be inconvenient for the ultra-rich though, and THAT is why it's not happening anytime soon, not because >