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I also fully support 100% marriage equality and equal rights to all couples.
I also would bake your wedding cake (if I ran a bakery).
I also have had plenty of gay/bi trans friends since I was younger.
I'm in the military and fully support recent moves for fair and equal open treatment of all orientations.
I have also spent a year straight in Afghanistan working side by side with a phenomenal human being who also happened to being gay under don't ask Don't Tell, can't remember that having any effect on how I felt about a brother in country.
One of my closest lifelong friends is a painfully liberal Hillary obsessed lesbian who I love more than anything and regularly disagree with/debate on may topics.. respectfully.
Yes I am a Christian, I cannot twist the Bible into equating bigotry, harassment, and discrimination with loving others.
I am sick and tired of being told I have to agree with you to not be a bigot. I cannot describe the embarrassment organizations like the West borough Baptists church bring me.
TLDR: imgur needs to stop telling me that I have to agree with you in order to love you, respect you, see you/treat you/support you as an equal.
Edit: shit, shit, shit, (you guys are great, For the most part this is amazingly civil and meaningful.) I swear I am trying to keep up with comments and engage in discourse, but I'm honestly overwhelmed by the volume. I'm trying, please believe me and thanks for all the discussion.
EndangeredTang
Well sorry for being born.
meeperton
There is nothing to agree or disagree with on homosexuality. It just is. People just are. You either accept it and move on or you don't.
rsc137
Well, that's reasonable.
MicentennialBan
Scary right...
Squeakdragon
As a gay man I find that perfectly fine. Just because someone supports you doesn't mean they have to believe as you do. Fight on brother.
MicentennialBan
Cheers mate. The self absorption required to think that my opinion should inhibit others fair treatment or happiness... Just silly
DarthFluffy1
"I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself." -- Oscar Wilde
ReasonableConservative
No you won't. You'll hunt them to the ground and club them like baby seals.
waytoocreamy
I thought Voltaire said that
SeraRelm
It's funny because I'm generally this way with religious friends. That -is- a choice, but I don't treat them any differently.
neverknowsbest138
I don't get the "I don't agree" part of this. It's like saying to don't agree with people being black or having blue eyes.
FckyourselfSarah
You don't need to agree with it. Just don't suppress other people. That's it.
RogerSmithsAlterEgoNumber30238
So many people don't understand what the word tolerance means. It does not mean you have to agree with or support someone. Just that 1/2
RogerSmithsAlterEgoNumber30238
2/2 you are not going to interfere. If a man wants to marry a man that is their decision.
MicentennialBan
Yup..
MicentennialBan
Yup..
indoxela
Straight female, I didn't choose my sexuality. Experimented with girls, and just realized that I really enjoy dick.
IrrationalEd
This makes zero sense.
PlantainSuperNova
he hates black people but makes an exception for some black people. It's a stupid/contradictory post. 2/2
IrrationalEd
It sure is.
PlantainSuperNova
"I hate homosexuals and don't agree with their lifestyle, but I can like them on a person to person basis". It would be like op saying 1/2
MicentennialBan
How the fuck is your takeaway that I hate people
ChloePrice
I don't like that you don't agree with an elemental aspect of humanity because a book told you to, but as long as you're civil and 1/2
ChloePrice
treat everyone how you said you do, you don't deserve to get harrassed for it. 2/2
amazonviv
I dont personally agreed with left handed people. But i am civil to them and treat them like regular people to the best if my ability.
Bellringer26
"Bring it on imgur" Watch out guys, we've got ourselves a badass over here
giantcatbear99
This is like me saying I don't agree with football. I don't *like* football. You don't *like* homosexuality. Just say it.
DavidBennettisntmyrealname
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and thoughts. I think it's stupid when people are bashed for being honest on how they feel...
PeachieLynn
No, they aren't! Who in the world made that rule? Who ever said the world was fair? NO ONE!
DarthFluffy1
"I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself." --Oscar Wilde
DavidBennettisntmyrealname
That's an awesome quote, and perfect for this situation, thank you :)
PlantainSuperNova
People can voice their opinions, but others can also call them out if that opinion is bs. Like they were saying something racist.
rainmakerab
1st day on interweb? :p
rainmakerab
1st day on interweb? :p
YoSoyMilk
Not agreeing with homosexuality is like not agreeing with people being tall.
eagerophiuchus
"I don't agree with silver, maple syrup, the planet Venus, or the number 5." OP is just a plain old ignorant bigot.
Sinkro
I prefer to say I'm a little homophobic but I also realize love is love even if I don't understand it.
PeachieLynn
That, actually makes the most sense of every other comment on here. Good job!
WhitePhoenix
Gee, that kinda sounds like when Christians tell me I'm sinful for believing things but it's ok, God loves me no matter how much of a 1/2?
WhitePhoenix
shitlord I am. It's self-flagellating to make yourself feel better. Not sure if I agree with that. 2/2
ShowMeTheNugget
Everyone sins, the difference is whether or not one repents of their sins that determines if they are given forgiveness or not.
TheShiftyEyedDog
I don't understand what you mean with by 'agree'. Agree with what exactly?
MicentennialBan
I dont morally agree with it. But I don't think my opinion should play a role in anyone's happiness or how I treat someone
thisistheinternetimheretotellliesandarguewithstrangers
Good on you. But I still don't see what it is to agree about. You accept but don't agree morally. Makes no sence.
idontliketheclonebone
"I don't agree with how someone was born" is basically what this is boiling down to. I recognize that you can love and respect homosexuals
idontliketheclonebone
But I don't agree with it is ass backwards in that sexuality is not a choice. That's like saying I don't agree with how tall you are
Wellmeh7
@OP to agree implies being homosexual is an opinion - so I'm not sure what you meant by that. I however applaud the rest of your post.
coaltrain1
I mean, it sounds like you DO support homosexuality.
Illpass
Eh, I'm gay and sometimes I don't agree with it. You seem like a decent guy, so it's what you wanna do. You go Glen Coco.
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Hello
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Rips4w
Homosexuality isnt something you agree or disagree with. It's actually a naturally existing "condition". I think you just dont like it.
MicentennialBan
You'd have to define liking it for that to make sense
neverknowsbest138
I think he's saying it makes him uncomfortable to think about, but he's alright with the people? Idfk, I tried.
tiger68
I don't think "agree" means what you think it means.
MicentennialBan
I'm fairly confident
MicentennialBan
I'm pretty confident
tiger68
So, you don't agree that homosexuality exists? You don't agree what?
MicentennialBan
I dont condone it, but don't judge, and don't think my opinion should dictate someone else's happiness nor their rights,
tiger68
I kind of see what you're saying, however I still think "agree with" is not the best way to get your point across.
reux
Condone means to accept and agree. So you do condone it or the post you made above is confusing. It sounds like you are extremely... 1/2
reux
...confused about what you are trying to say. The simple statement might be, "I'm heterosexual, but I'm generally supportive". 2/2
reux
I'm gay, not being critical, just scratching my head trying to figure out what you are trying to get out of this entire post.
MicentennialBan
and condone sounds like I'm giving/withholding permission, which isn't the case
tiger68
Homosexuality is not a mindset or even physical actions, it's a thing - like the sky or water. You can't disagree with the sky or water.
MicentennialBan
I disagree with the sky... (haha fell into my trap)
DANGAAZOOONE
As a lesbian, that's cool OP. You have the right to that opinion and mindset. No worries! I wish you all the best in your future =)
MicentennialBan
Can't see why someone would downvote this. My personal opinion should never keep you from any happiness life can offer
DANGAAZOOONE
Meh. People can be fickle beasts. I respect your honest views and am glad there's other rational people out such as yourself!
MicentennialBan
Thanks friend
DefinitelyNotTippster
The same guy (Leviticus) that says Homosexuality is an abomination says that eating Shrimp is as well.
YourPalCthulhu
Well I'm gay but allergic to shrimp.. Balances out right?
Clockworkdancerobot
Most homosexual people I know just want to be able to live their lives like anyone else. For people to not use dislike to disadvantage them.
AGenerationLost
As a gay man, I agree. You don't personally like my marriage? Fine but as long as I can be with the man I love I don't care
MicentennialBan
My personal beliefs have never caused a single real issue with any of my friends regardless of their orientation
Redandpurpleunicorns
Doesn't agree with someone's sexuality... Doesn't judge and respects people for who they are. Good human being! Good Christian!
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Upupupdig
Do you also not agree with gay penguins' sexuality? Or gay lions? Or gay horses? Just curious if it's also a choice for them or if God 1/2
Upupupdig
2/2 also sends them to hell for being the way he created them?
MicentennialBan
Ahhh now we're getting it the deep discussion
Ronelyn
Bravo! Also, confused a bit. Struggling to see where you actually "disagree" that my wife and I can love and marry each other.
MicentennialBan
I don't disagree that you can love your wife.... Nor that you should marry
Clockworkdancerobot
I expect some of the overreaction you catch is because many people with your belief want to use it to disenfranchise others.
MicentennialBan
Absolutely
iamkyleh
Sounds like the people harassing you have their sexuality as the excuse to be who they are, hell im bi, but that doesnt make me who i am
MicentennialBan
Absolutely agree... Just thinking out loud
WhitePhoenix
And guess what, in the Western world, save for a few actual bigots, most Christians, even those god-fearing ones are generally tolerant. 1/2
WhitePhoenix
They may think what you're doing is "sin", but a majority of Western Christians have a "I can't change them so why bother?" mentality 2/2
AccusedOak04
Sounds like you're A-OK with people being gay... so then what do you disagree with?
MicentennialBan
I don't think it is a inherent disposition. But I don't think my opinion should change how I view/treat/love someone
Dignity31
Facts are facts. But I don't expect people that believe in talking snakes will get that.
MicentennialBan
and here i thought this was civil and respectful discussion
Dignity31
Well, the same book that tells you not to "agree" with facts is the exact book that has talking snakes and virgin births...nonsense
MrBananaBeak
Therein lies our problem. It IS an inherent disposition. Your opinion has no relevance on objective fact.
MicentennialBan
and what, to you makes it an objective fact?
MrBananaBeak
A figurative mountain of scientific evidence.
MicentennialBan
I'm always for un-baised reading material. please send it my way.
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MicentennialBan
Not in the way you mean no... My accent isn't a choice.. but also not something I was born with. Does that make sense?
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MicentennialBan
Meh.. that's fair
Buretsu
No, because your accent is something you were influenced into. People aren't influenced into being gay.
MicentennialBan
I said it was a bad example, meant to show that something can not be a choice but not be an inherent disposition
wizardboy24
Can you force yourself to talk in a different accent? Likely. Now, can you force yourself to have feelings about someone of the same sex?
EndangeredTang
Ha fuck. I knew you were like the rest.
MicentennialBan
No idea what the means
waytoocreamy
Learned behavior?
neverknowsbest138
But I mean like, you're wrong. Source: am gay, was born gay.
neverknowsbest138
I do not have the option of genuinely being straight. Lord knows most of us LGBT people tried for years. Being young and gay is terrifying.
CanNearrlyFly
So you're basically saying it's all a matter of nurture/environment and not nature/genetics?
MicentennialBan
I think it's incredibly complex involving countless factors... But that's part of it.. even them the same scenario effects people differntly
PerpetualChristopher
What does that mean? You dont agree with the existence of gays? Of the views and opinions of gays?
Oinko
"Don't agree" seems like a nice (or indirect) way of saying "doesn't like"
schizotech
Damn such hostility. Op was trying to not be a dick but have an opinion, guess that's not allowed.
RobertEmmet
That's not hostility at all. That's curiosity. Your read of it as hostility bespeaks you habitually take a stance of defensiveness.
TallDude
More so of clarification. He seems to be fine with homosexuals, yet says he doesn't agree with it. Is an odd statement.
Danielleosaur
That's you're definition of hostility? Shit, half the stuff on this site must seem like full on attacks to you.
Danielleosaur
Oh crap! Your
thereoncewasapenguin
@OP disagrees with those that act on being gay. Our bible states that homosexuality is a sin and therefore we do see it as such. Now, 1/?
creatineshits
Your bible says a lot of shit.
thereoncewasapenguin
Okay? Do you eve have an example you're thinking of for me to discuss with you?
creatineshits
There are enough obviously false claims in the bible that it is foolish to use it as a basis to dislike homosexuality.
thereoncewasapenguin
Like what? I'm honestly asking for specifics.
thereoncewasapenguin
being an ass to people about their sin also is a sin, as we are called to love and not judge as everyone has their struggle. So what we 2/?
thereoncewasapenguin
see here is OP standing up for beliefs in the most Christlike way he can, which is exactly what I think we are to do and deserves a 3/?
thereoncewasapenguin
respectful head nod for it. 4/4
sexymanthong
He doesn't think people should be gay, but since he believes people have rights, he doesn't care.
RoyFuckingMustang
No matter how "nice" or "pc" he tries to make it, I still believe there is no room for this viewpoint. But it is still vastly preferable 1/2
RoyFuckingMustang
to being a bigoted, hate mongering lunatic. 2/2
PerpetualChristopher
Im not sure being polite about it makes it a better opinion. But I guess its whatever if you dont actively try to ruin their lives...
WhitePhoenix
He doesn't have to be "nice" about disagreeing with you. What matters is how he treats you as a HUMAN. It's near impossible to 1/?
WhitePhoenix
legislate morality, whatever your defintion of morality is. The best you can do is provide protections - anything above that is a matter 2/?
WhitePhoenix
of society learning to accept it, which it slowly has. Even your stereotypical southern Christian has resigned to progress. 3/?
grandmastonguekiss
Heres the difference, I'm kinda if a dick to everyone, Not mean, just short. I have to unnaturally nice to gay people to avoid being called
grandmastonguekiss
A homophobe. I'm anti-social and don't like most people. But I have to act different to any minority or "socially oppressed group"
grandmastonguekiss
I was just born this way. Where are my rights?
AGenerationLost
Not thinking people should be gay is like thinking people shouldn't be blonde. We can't help it. We were born like this
Corrodias
I suspect, based on the other comments, that this statement is what OP disagrees with. He thinks people choose to be gay. I guess?
DankS0uls
That's why it's a difference of opinion
Corrodias
I'm sorry, are you suggesting that people choose (or even can choose) to be gay or not be gay?
Corrodias
And if so, why would anyone choose to be gay? The available partner pool is so much smaller.
MrBananaBeak
There's a mountain of scientific evidence to the contrary. Opinions can be wrong.
DankS0uls
Lemme be clear. I agree with him. Just playing devil's advocate.
djnibler
That's like saying people shouldn't be tall. There is nothing to agree or disagree with about sexual orientation.
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From a biological standpoint there's plenty. It sounds like that's where OP's coming from, given what he said under the post.
ISmellManFlesh
As a biology major, you need to do some research there friend.
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With or without getting into the genetics of it, which we're still woefully blind to?
wizardboy24
What's biologically wrong?
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The function of sexual attraction is to entice reproduction.
juststarstuff
If you have studied evolution, you will know there are many biological reasons that "being gay" gets selected for.
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Never said there aren't reasons. In evolution, reasons don't automatically translate to a "positive" or "productive" thing.
ShowMeTheNugget
It's not about a person mentally being homosexual, it's about the lifestyle. You cannot control your desires, only what you do with them.
Punderstandable
I agree, sorry you got hate for this. Life is full of desires, cherry picking which ones we justify based on popularity is counterproductive
djnibler
Saying sexual orientation is a "desire" is like saying eating is a desire. Please only eat carrot baby food for the rest of your life.
bluefacepaint
Except, having finally found a comment in which @OP explains just what it is he means by "disagrees with homosexuality", he is very much (1)
bluefacepaint
(2) saying gay people can control their desires.
ichangedmyusernamebecauseiregretmyoriginaldecision
do you expect gay people to just live a life never having a romantic partner and never having sexual satisfaction? that's just cruel.
ShowMeTheNugget
I just don't believe the world is a place for us to do w/e we want. I think we have certain roles we are supposed to fulfill in our life.