Only attitude toward that is "ok" and leave aircraft according to crew's instructions. Then spend all life thinking that it could have been our last day, had this pilot been submited to capitalist pressure.
This is pilots intuition and it should be listened to. They're the ones who feel every vibration and hear every sound for hundreds of hours, they should have the final say on whether a plane is fit to fly or not, especially these days with airlines and manufacturers cutting corners and lowering quality control.
Good. Nice to know some pilots actually follow safety rules. What kind of propaganda article is this? FARs specify that it is at the pilots sole discretion to determine if the flight is a go. This reads like that’s a bad thing. Having the wrong mindset alone can cause the pilots to have higher chance to make critical errors.
On a 2 engine aircraft that's includes a 6 hour over-the-ocean segment, I definitely want the pilot to be 100% certain that both engines are safe for the flight. If he has any doubts at all, I'm happy to sleep in the airport waiting for another aircraft.
He refused the plane for safety concerns, he even explains it very clearly, the fuel pressure is spiking and the maintenance crew said "we will change the filter when you get back" which was unacceptable for a cross ocean flight.
Its not like he came on the intercom and said "My kids were being brats this morning and put me in a bad mood, I don't feel like flying so screw you and your vacation plans"
the worst thing a pilot can do is continue a flight if something/ anything felt off during preflight, be it mechanical, passenger related, or self/pilot related.
Except for that one guy that we hired for flight test (flying 1-2 times a day for 3 hours a few days a week) and on his first flight (wearing his burger king crown) panicked and asked to get off the plane on the middle of the BWI taxiway. He said he didn't mind flying. Pilot: "Sorry, there's no terminal here"
I have to say, I don't like to fly, one aspect of it is about the environment, but the much more pressing issue I have is that I don't trust pilots (nothing personal or related to the job itself, rather that I want to make sure I trust a person before I basically hand them the control over my life and death - I can always exit a bus or taxi if I don't trust the driver, not so much on an airplane). This pilot gained my trust with this message. They show that they care. That's how it should be.
Pilots have the authority and obligation to cancel take off for any reason. If they is too tired, not emotionally right or something is wonky it can kill dozens of people. Remember: a tiny piece of tape on sensor took down a plane. Everyone nearly died in one flight because of the wrong screw in a windshield. Small desiccant beads once took down a plane. A pilot having a party three nights before sleep deprived a pilot enough to crash a plane. A burnt out bulb once crashed a plane.
Not just authority, but *obligation*, yeah. You know that his company is going to give him crap over just how much money it's going to cost them. Good on him for knowing that and still standing up and doing the right thing.
Yea, I'm going to trust the God damn dude who is literally flying the plane when he says he "isn't feeling it" over corporate profits. OP sounds they're trying to diss the pilot, but I'm on the pilot's side.
No, I'm not dissing the pilot, I've working with many, many of them over the years and they know what they are doing way better than I did when I was riding in their planes.
Jet engines have to use fuel pressures that are very VERY high in order to make thrust properly, and the tolerance margins of the system are fairly thin. If the filter change didn't resolve the issue completely, then something else IS going on, and that pilot is correct.
i feel sugar coating the situation only adds fuel to what, i imagine, is a growing number of idiots who'd rather chance it than air on the side of caution.
Tell em. the hydraulics aren't performing correctly, the fuel lines aren't pressurised, the wings are half falling off, landing gears fucked. let the idiots who'd rather chance it be silenced by their fellow passengers rather than letting the cabin crew have to deal with the confusion.
yea, his comment that "hes not really feeling it" turns what was a reasonable explanation into a "feelings" thing, indicated, if you listen to the clip, into a wave of laughter... which is exactly my point.
A fuel pressure build up is not a laughing matter, but CLEARLY a number of people on there don't understand this, nor should he expect them to. "We're not flying because a fuel pressure buildup has made the aircraft unsafe to fly" is short, professional and to the point.
rambling on for a minute to give that information surrounded by 50 seconds of superfluous information is adding fuel to an idiot fire. the last 5 seconds, you HEAR people, who don't understand the situation, becoming frustrated by being told the plane could fucking kill them so they won't be flying at the moment.
it IS frustrating to be assigned a plane that could fucking kill you. That's not on the pilot, but it's not unreasonable for people to react to the news with frustration. Hopefully they directed that frustration correctly after this, but we can't tell.
This is AIRPLANE SAFETY. Pilots do this hours upon hours. They walk around their planes. They get a feel for it. If it's off by a little bit, ABORT THAT SHIT ALL DAY LONG. Fuck this "not feeling it" nonsense. It's actual, legit safety concerns.
It is the pilots responsibility to make the final judgment call on an aircraft's airworthiness. If they aren't confident that it's good to then you should listen to them.
Specifically, the Captain. There are two pilots in the cockpit, both completely capable of making the flight, but the Captain has final say, had final responsibility. That's why they make the big bucks. And why it takes many years as a pilot to become a Captain.
Airline pilot median salary is $240k; if I got a job that made a third of that I would literally cry in relief so I think they probably are making 'big bucks.'
Furthermore, we're not just talking about pilots, we're talking about Captains, who are senior pilots, usually making between $300K and $500K a year, plus healthy per diems and literally the best 401K contributions in the entire American economy.
Bullshit. As soon as you're out of your probationary year, you're making over $100K/year at any of the major airlines. By the time you make, Captain they're well into six figures. A Captain pilot stands to make thousands of dollars picking up a single flight. Furthermore, airlines contribute 15 to 17% of salary to 401(k), standard. Pretty much every pilot who lasts a full career at a major airline will retire a millionaire, and not buy a small margin. (1/2)
(2/2) That said, it takes years of very expensive and challenging training to even become a pilot. (Or signing up for the military and making the cut for flight school.) Then years of flying at a regional airline for a very poor pay to get enough miles to get on with the major airlines. The years as an FO before you make Captain. So I'm not saying it's not earned. But yes, they make big bucks.
Title is misleading, even if the pilot did say it. He cancelled the flight due to an educated and intuitive instinct that the plane was not airworthy enough. Totally different than just feeling like he can't be arsed to do it.
Yeah, there's a big difference between saying "I don't feel like it" and what he said, which is basically "as a pilot I do not feel confident that this thing can fly and land in a manner that guarantees your survival."
Well said. Pilots have a checklist for a reason. If a reading is off or it seems like things don't feel right, you don't start a flight over the open ocean toward one of the most remote island chains on earth.
The reasoning behind a pilot doing their own preflight check is very simple: To others its a job, to you its your life. Inspect a hundred planes a day and you might miss something due to tedium. Inspect your own craft and you'll look at every detail because you'll fall out of the sky otherwise.
"They told us the plane is good to go but I'm not really feeling it" is VERY DIFFERENT from "I'm supposed to fly this thing to Hawaii, but I'm not really feeling it". Chopped up quotes are not magic, you can't change what someone said by removing context, no matter how much some people want to.
They're saying the caption implies he didn't feel like flying, particularly with the quotation marks - usually this would be making fun of the pilot. ... When what he actually said was that he didn't feel like the plane was safe to fly. It's a tremendous and important difference.
wow, this person and like 700 other people all assumed incorrectly because they cant read. the thing you are implying, thats not what the title is implying. they arent "being mean" to the pilot "because he didnt feel like it". if anything it could be misleading because of people thinking "ESP" or something. but even "not feeling it" could describe an educated guess by itself, so, how did all these people come the conclusion they are shaming the pilot in any way in the title?
ShoggothTree
Every takeoff is optional, every landing, not so much
MyCatIsMissingAnEar
Damn good on the pilot. Better angry and annoyed pax than dead ones in the ocean.
torp
Only attitude toward that is "ok" and leave aircraft according to crew's instructions. Then spend all life thinking that it could have been our last day, had this pilot been submited to capitalist pressure.
januarylover
If the pilot's just not feeling it, PLEASE cancel the flight.
MightyIink
This is pilots intuition and it should be listened to. They're the ones who feel every vibration and hear every sound for hundreds of hours, they should have the final say on whether a plane is fit to fly or not, especially these days with airlines and manufacturers cutting corners and lowering quality control.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
When an expert in something is "not feeling it" because he thinks doing it will kill everyone involved, its probably a pretty good idea to listen
Chaapai
It's his life too. Those final cockpit audio tapes are chilling.
depressedscientist
Good. Nice to know some pilots actually follow safety rules. What kind of propaganda article is this? FARs specify that it is at the pilots sole discretion to determine if the flight is a go. This reads like that’s a bad thing. Having the wrong mindset alone can cause the pilots to have higher chance to make critical errors.
sfbiker
On a 2 engine aircraft that's includes a 6 hour over-the-ocean segment, I definitely want the pilot to be 100% certain that both engines are safe for the flight. If he has any doubts at all, I'm happy to sleep in the airport waiting for another aircraft.
SirKaill
Good on him, he is choosing the safety of himself and the passengers.
Micro2112
Honestly on a flight to Hawaii, I'm on with a little bit of caution
LordHosk
Bullcrap title, bullcrap video splash.
He refused the plane for safety concerns, he even explains it very clearly, the fuel pressure is spiking and the maintenance crew said "we will change the filter when you get back" which was unacceptable for a cross ocean flight.
Its not like he came on the intercom and said "My kids were being brats this morning and put me in a bad mood, I don't feel like flying so screw you and your vacation plans"
Captaincuttlefish
With all the recent aerospace disasters can't say I blame him
SeriousHustler
His ass was quite literally on the line
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
True, but I do believe this video is a bit older and from before the crashes. Still the right decision tho.
wienerdogsftw
the worst thing a pilot can do is continue a flight if something/ anything felt off during preflight, be it mechanical, passenger related, or self/pilot related.
10/10 pilot right there
wienerdogsftw
also weather related. cant skip the bigge
hoopsnek
You gotta trust your instincts
plinkey
Except for that one guy that we hired for flight test (flying 1-2 times a day for 3 hours a few days a week) and on his first flight (wearing his burger king crown) panicked and asked to get off the plane on the middle of the BWI taxiway. He said he didn't mind flying. Pilot: "Sorry, there's no terminal here"
Valase
I have to say, I don't like to fly, one aspect of it is about the environment, but the much more pressing issue I have is that I don't trust pilots (nothing personal or related to the job itself, rather that I want to make sure I trust a person before I basically hand them the control over my life and death - I can always exit a bus or taxi if I don't trust the driver, not so much on an airplane).
This pilot gained my trust with this message. They show that they care. That's how it should be.
garpolky
Even if the pilot wasn't feeling it emotionally, it's still a good call. Fatigue has killed a lot of passengers.
TupacAintDead
Shitty title, @OP
plinkey
neat, cry about it.
TupacAintDead
Could have just accepted the fact you chose the title poorly. But instead, you chose to double down and be a cunt.
triptolemus510
Asshole.
bladderinfection
Republicans: Capitalism says you’re good to go.
Detacheddavid
No way. Airplanes are expensive. This is not like a sweatshop, where is does not matter if it goes in flames. /s
UncleRat
There's a difference between a pilot and the captain of the ship. This is a captain.
plinkey
PantlessThunderGoose42
However, Just the captain goes down with a ship, but everybody goes down with the airplane.
sosume
You want pilots to be able to make that call given all that's been happening.
SalmySwims
Err*
foxpotate
Pilots have the authority and obligation to cancel take off for any reason. If they is too tired, not emotionally right or something is wonky it can kill dozens of people.
Remember: a tiny piece of tape on sensor took down a plane.
Everyone nearly died in one flight because of the wrong screw in a windshield.
Small desiccant beads once took down a plane.
A pilot having a party three nights before sleep deprived a pilot enough to crash a plane.
A burnt out bulb once crashed a plane.
NicolasKevinMac
Not just authority, but *obligation*, yeah. You know that his company is going to give him crap over just how much money it's going to cost them. Good on him for knowing that and still standing up and doing the right thing.
williamtowel
And this was sensor telling the captain that an engine was NOT in the green.
ItWasMeIWasTheTurkeyAllAlong
Good for the pilot.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Yea, I'm going to trust the God damn dude who is literally flying the plane when he says he "isn't feeling it" over corporate profits. OP sounds they're trying to diss the pilot, but I'm on the pilot's side.
plinkey
No, I'm not dissing the pilot, I've working with many, many of them over the years and they know what they are doing way better than I did when I was riding in their planes.
zanarchy805
Same. There will be another flight.
ME2BNS12
Jet engines have to use fuel pressures that are very VERY high in order to make thrust properly, and the tolerance margins of the system are fairly thin. If the filter change didn't resolve the issue completely, then something else IS going on, and that pilot is correct.
jimhotep
Seriously, if any of you understood how immensely complicated a passenger jet is, you'd never get on one again.
plinkey
6 million parts working in perfect symphony flying through the sky at 600 mph
HughGRecti0n
I actually DO & I’ll fly any time. Lots of redundancies in there. I’m sure you’ll get in your car tomorrow & drive without a care in the world though.
SpartaWolf117
in a plane where something small can cause issues over hundreds of miles of open ocean, better to get it fixed NOW
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
Yeah, but you're only 40,000 feet up in -40 temps. You can get off if it isn't working out.
justherefortheconfession
Exactly, remove those kids from the plane immediately
SmellingMistake
A little known fact is that most plane crashes are intentionally caused by pilots because of annoying children on board.
justherefortheconfession
Annoying children in public make me want to die in a horrible, fiery crash, taking 100s of people with me
PowerPedant
He has a good reason, the "not feeling it" is just the passenger-friendly explanation. This is a good pilot.
benc85
i feel sugar coating the situation only adds fuel to what, i imagine, is a growing number of idiots who'd rather chance it than air on the side of caution.
Tell em. the hydraulics aren't performing correctly, the fuel lines aren't pressurised, the wings are half falling off, landing gears fucked. let the idiots who'd rather chance it be silenced by their fellow passengers rather than letting the cabin crew have to deal with the confusion.
Jarjarthejedi
He literally says "the pressure on the #2 engine is (wrong)" before the "I don't feel it's safe to fly this thing" comment. So...he did?
benc85
yea, his comment that "hes not really feeling it" turns what was a reasonable explanation into a "feelings" thing, indicated, if you listen to the clip, into a wave of laughter... which is exactly my point.
A fuel pressure build up is not a laughing matter, but CLEARLY a number of people on there don't understand this, nor should he expect them to. "We're not flying because a fuel pressure buildup has made the aircraft unsafe to fly" is short, professional and to the point.
benc85
rambling on for a minute to give that information surrounded by 50 seconds of superfluous information is adding fuel to an idiot fire. the last 5 seconds, you HEAR people, who don't understand the situation, becoming frustrated by being told the plane could fucking kill them so they won't be flying at the moment.
he's doing a poor job of communicating.
Qualtagh
it IS frustrating to be assigned a plane that could fucking kill you. That's not on the pilot, but it's not unreasonable for people to react to the news with frustration. Hopefully they directed that frustration correctly after this, but we can't tell.
TheGreyGryphon
What a clickbait bullshit title.
This is AIRPLANE SAFETY. Pilots do this hours upon hours. They walk around their planes. They get a feel for it. If it's off by a little bit, ABORT THAT SHIT ALL DAY LONG. Fuck this "not feeling it" nonsense. It's actual, legit safety concerns.
CrunchWrapFrappuccinoo
It is the pilots responsibility to make the final judgment call on an aircraft's airworthiness. If they aren't confident that it's good to then you should listen to them.
DarkwingDuc
Specifically, the Captain. There are two pilots in the cockpit, both completely capable of making the flight, but the Captain has final say, had final responsibility. That's why they make the big bucks. And why it takes many years as a pilot to become a Captain.
plinkey
They don't make 'big bucks'
RyvaTheRenamon
Depends on which airline but yes they indeed do make a good amount of money. Especially on a long trip, like to Hawaii.
Soujaofmisfortune
TIL - $300-$400K isn't big bucks: https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2024/08/15/delta-air-lines-pilot-salary/
Arbitrarynamehere
I mean yeah they're all the same size but they do get more of them
Orangebacon1
Airline pilot median salary is $240k; if I got a job that made a third of that I would literally cry in relief so I think they probably are making 'big bucks.'
DarkwingDuc
Furthermore, we're not just talking about pilots, we're talking about Captains, who are senior pilots, usually making between $300K and $500K a year, plus healthy per diems and literally the best 401K contributions in the entire American economy.
DarkwingDuc
Bullshit. As soon as you're out of your probationary year, you're making over $100K/year at any of the major airlines. By the time you make, Captain they're well into six figures. A Captain pilot stands to make thousands of dollars picking up a single flight. Furthermore, airlines contribute 15 to 17% of salary to 401(k), standard. Pretty much every pilot who lasts a full career at a major airline will retire a millionaire, and not buy a small margin. (1/2)
DarkwingDuc
(2/2) That said, it takes years of very expensive and challenging training to even become a pilot. (Or signing up for the military and making the cut for flight school.) Then years of flying at a regional airline for a very poor pay to get enough miles to get on with the major airlines. The years as an FO before you make Captain. So I'm not saying it's not earned. But yes, they make big bucks.
discotheque42
Title is misleading, even if the pilot did say it. He cancelled the flight due to an educated and intuitive instinct that the plane was not airworthy enough. Totally different than just feeling like he can't be arsed to do it.
comacomacomacomachameleon
"vibes are off" is a totally acceptable answer from pilots
ImgurIsOutOfUsernames
Came here to say this. Spot on.
BarnegatLight
Especially if you're flying to Hawaii. There's a certain ... lack of convenient runways to make emergency landings on.
combatkillaz
Totally agreed…if a pilot isn’t ‘feeling it’, get me the fuck off that plane
InDubiousBattle
yeah, this isn't me cancelling my mental commitment to dust the coffee table.
ImurevJourhein
Yeah, there's a big difference between saying "I don't feel like it" and what he said, which is basically "as a pilot I do not feel confident that this thing can fly and land in a manner that guarantees your survival."
Ninjainslippers
Well said. Pilots have a checklist for a reason. If a reading is off or it seems like things don't feel right, you don't start a flight over the open ocean toward one of the most remote island chains on earth.
NappaTheFriendlyGhost
The reasoning behind a pilot doing their own preflight check is very simple: To others its a job, to you its your life. Inspect a hundred planes a day and you might miss something due to tedium. Inspect your own craft and you'll look at every detail because you'll fall out of the sky otherwise.
SwordfishSomethings
Also, HAWAII, that is a 5-6 hour flight, with no place to go in an emergency.
BDBottom
I'd trust a pilot's instincts, honed by thousands of hours flying in all kinds of conditions, over a manglement beancounter's edict any day.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
He literally said "I'm not really feeling it" @0:32.
InTangier
Context. It's kinda relevant to why he isn't "feeling it".
Jarjarthejedi
"They told us the plane is good to go but I'm not really feeling it" is VERY DIFFERENT from "I'm supposed to fly this thing to Hawaii, but I'm not really feeling it". Chopped up quotes are not magic, you can't change what someone said by removing context, no matter how much some people want to.
mytruepersonality
You know what though. If my pilot was feeling sick or worse I wouldn't want them to fly the plane.
westellar
They're saying the caption implies he didn't feel like flying, particularly with the quotation marks - usually this would be making fun of the pilot. ... When what he actually said was that he didn't feel like the plane was safe to fly. It's a tremendous and important difference.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Absolute rockstar pilot, not a great post-title.
Shaodyn
I was going to say, must be nice to just decide you don't want to do your job. Feeling that it's not safe to do your job is a very different story.
PineappleLoopsBroether
The person who captioned this video is an ungrateful dingleberry. Awwww did the mean old pilot try to ensure 100% safety?
FollowTheBlueFrog
Hehe dingleberry! Haven’t used that one in a long time.
zonide
wow, this person and like 700 other people all assumed incorrectly because they cant read. the thing you are implying, thats not what the title is implying. they arent "being mean" to the pilot "because he didnt feel like it". if anything it could be misleading because of people thinking "ESP" or something. but even "not feeling it" could describe an educated guess by itself, so, how did all these people come the conclusion they are shaming the pilot in any way in the title?
zonide
"not feeling it" almost 100% of the time means "theres something wrong" not "they dont feel like it" how the fuck did all these people think that?
zonide
this is like some shit out of idiocracy