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from https://twitter.com/whoisgarylee/status/952180630137155585
Edit: whoop whoop - woke up and found this post had made most viral. Free upvotes for all!
MrRoryPond
I'm not crying. You're crying. Shut up.
RepostFromLastWeek
Its called the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
LlamaLingo
"Chubby"
thematman
This otherwise beautiful story was ruined by "In what other country is that even possible?"
WelcomeToMagrathea
"In what country it this possible" should have been "Would this even be possible under the current president" and everything adds up
TheDeepestOak
...and then you have Donald Trump.
alticaarden
Down to only $20 in a checking account? Pffft, rookie numbers.
LlamaLingo
"In what other countries is that possible?" Countries with free education?
Catfoood
What's the point of this post? I don't get how the trump thing ties in...
KyrieGloria
The difference between how Trump and Obama treat staff...
garyeffing
1st Tweet, 160K likes. Amazing.
FrostWight
While it’s a good point that this could happen easier elsewhere, we don’t need to tear this guy apart. He’s happy! Live with it
jlist
Great story!
ChloePrice
I mean, it's not Obama, but most of Europe allows you to work for the nation's head, even if you're not ethnically from there.
Hagge47
Hay, we have even had islamic terrorists in our government here in Sweden. Anything is possible!
SorenAziz
We Europeans manage to elect all sorts of weird shit.
Denamic
Is it so unbelievable to hire 2nd generation immigrants for government positions?
Virus322
It is if you're only putting them in that position because of their ethnic background, ESPECIALLY if it's for a position they don't want
Virus322
and have zero experience in.
GrandArcanum
Wait,did trump actually ask that? Like if he did,I honestly wouldn’t even be surprised,but still
PureOdio
At this stage, I am not the slightest bit surprised at how backwards and primitive his mindset is. It's no longer boggling, just depressing.
KingBanana8008
No, what’s depressing is people still support him after all this.
Favri
There was really no need to use the word 'like' in that sentence. Sorry for being pedantic, but it detracts from the point you are making.
Traja01
Well that's just like, your opinion, man.
Favri
LavaAxe
Language evolves. You need to like get over it.
Favri
Language is changing, people are regressing. I need to do absolutely nothing that I do not want to do.
Matty3D
Like, ya know, whatever!
Wyldkat80
Totally under-rated comment. I literally counted 30 likes while listening to twenty something in the steam room the other day...
Favri
Thank you! Clearly, many think using "like" unnecessarily is a good thing. I look forward to our civilisation's well deserved demise.
Cataleast
You look forward to our demise over the excessive use of the word "like"? That's, like, pretty grim ;)
Favri
Very grim. The outlook is grim, unfortunately! It's one of many symptoms of our times :-D
GrandArcanum
Ahahaha,my bad,it was my train of thought
TheDogEnd
Well, the difference is that Obama, unlike Donald Trump, is not a complete and total dickjam
Erutanmi
My Korean wife (married last week!) that wants to immigrate to the US read this to me with tears in her eyes an hour ago. She is rarely 1/?
Erutanmi
emotional, but this made her crack. Obama was a gentle, respectful and caring man who would take the time to show compassion for anyone 2/3
Erutanmi
of any origin. Trump cares about her race, not her heart. She loves her culture and wants to be a US citizen, but now she’s afraid. Not OK.
MrPeebles
You have buoyed my spirits with this wholesome post. I am pleased.
toasteheh
Whew
IbringthePANDAmonium
Definitely need more of these stories.
deargodnotthebees
God I needed this story today. Thank you.
InsistYouDesist
Where else could this happen? Literally every single first world country. Americans y'all need to stop this nonsense.
PissedMahPants
Not many other first world countries have had a minority (of their country) as the leader.
InsistYouDesist
Where else could a 2nd generation university educated immigrant get a job in politics? Literally everywhere.
SaticoySteel
Not all Americans think that obviously
InsistYouDesist
I never said all Americans think that but it *is* a distinctly American phenomenon.
erwten
that's probably true, but the US is also in the news much more than other countries. So you'll hear about their faults and stuff a lot more
InsistYouDesist
Never ever heard a single European say 'where ELSE could this happen?!?' Met lots of Americans who truly believe it.
reddles
My gosh, Trump is a dochenozzle.
MFuzzySmock
But are we surprised?
Skornish
Are you just now noticing?
gingertrain
Surprisingly, yes. So many people were blinded by Hillary hate, they are only now realizing Trump is even worse.
ilovedarkchocolate
Unfair to douchnozzles! He’s more a shitzspritzer
Freakingdoomguy
Unfair to shitzspritzers! He's a fuck trumpet with diarrhea of the mouth
Burghguy
As a fuck trumpet with diarrhea of the mouth, I take offense to that.
ilovedarkchocolate
All correct! Can we agree on TubaLuber being played by tiny hands?
NobodyIsBlankLikeGaston
Hold on, Fuck Trumpet's deserve a bit more credit. He's more of a, Twat Trombone that only plays the brown note
Bonesy84
Unfair to fuck trumpets with diarrhea of the mouth! I would say he is more of a twat waffle!
Fochit
Twat waffle?! Better watch what you're saying there punk, I'd say he's more of a Cunt Muffin.
glovelyday
Thank you. Good to be reminded what real Americans, those who understand both the meaning & responsibility of being a US citizen sound like.
burgerflaps
Cherokee, sioux, or which real americans are you refering to?
glovelyday
Those are not Americans, those are natives, the Americans can later.
TheManInTheWall
Not just a US citizen but genuinely good people
Herecomesjohnny
what's the meaning of a US citizen?
glovelyday
Trying to change the subject?
Herecomesjohnny
i don't think i was in discussion with you already. Was i?
glovelyday
Pretty sure since you responded to my comment I have a right to respond to yours, call it what you will.
Herecomesjohnny
sure, but how did i change the subject?
LOlMyNameIs
"At one point, had 20 dollars in their bank account" Yeah can you believe being that poor? *looks at own bank account and sweats nervously*
LoopStricken
I'm up to -£998.
Cataleast
"$20's not much..." *checks bank account* "Oh, $35 overdrawn. Shit."
davesrandomstuff
Based on Trump's logic, we the people of Scotland apologise for our gene pool spawning Trump.
Traja01
As an American of Scot descent, don't worry about it. I think his case is a lot more "nurture" than "nature."
KyrieGloria
HandsomeJack19
My friends are really struggling to understand how anyone can support Trump. The reason? People only care about things that affect 1/2
DarkCrawler901
No, but "some" in front of people. Some people only care about things that affect them. Those people are called pieces of shit.
HandsomeJack19
Don't judge too quickly. People almost always look to themselves and their families (their tribes) first. It's human nature.
KyrieGloria
Again, *some* people.
DarkCrawler901
If they benefit from his policies (which benefit the rich) they are pieces of shit for voting him. Their families are fine. 1/2
DarkCrawler901
If they do not benefit from his policies they screwed their friends and families over. And themselves, so they are dumb pieces of shit.
DarkCrawler901
Many wealthy people did not vote for Trump, while many people whose lives will actively be harmed by the policies pursued by his admin.
DarkCrawler901
And if anyone is the mythic poor non-racist non-xenophobic Trump voter who truly believed he will help you (READ THE NEXT POST FOR MAJOR $$)
DarkCrawler901
I am actually a majorly wealthy West African prince with a major business opportunity for you
HandsomeJack19
their lives directly. Even his supporters think he's a piece of shit, but that has no impact on their lives. A tax cut, for example, will.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Too bad the tax "cut" benefits expire in a few years. Unless you're a business or in the 1%, you'll end up paying more in taxes.
HandsomeJack19
Also, not every analyst agrees on that "you'll end up paying more" part. It's not as cut and dry as you think.
mardukkur
Yes they do. It's black letter law. There's no ambiguity.
HandsomeJack19
I understand that. But in the short term it will help many. My company gave every employee $100 for every year they've worked here. 1/2
HandsomeJack19
I've been here for 20 years. I don't have a lot of money, so $2000 is a big deal. I didn't vote for him, and won't in 2020. Still... $2000!
HermanotheGermano2000
In Germany you could achieve the dream of working for chanceler Merkel, not nearly as tempting as working for Obama though.
Shargan8
Very true story: my friend from Uni Bremen who is from Africa ended up working in Bundestag under Merkel.
LavaAxe
Umm didn't you read the post. Only possible in America.
sneaker2
But can you work in THE WHITE HOUSE in Germany???? No!! Only in America!!! USA USA USA!!
questionableanswers
actually there's a few white houses around the world. There's actually one in Moscow too. Centers the russian governm. + prime minister
forsale90
It's almost like white is a common color for painting a house.
valarjk
Technicslly the chancellor building in germany is white too.
questionableanswers
The Kanzleramt looks more fancy in general.
relicen
The White House looking like it's 1790, while the Kanzleramt looking like it's 2090.
DuckyofDeath123
Actually, FDP was headed by a Vietnamese guy wasn't it? And I think I remember a Turk heading up the Greens until recently?
schlummi
Yes. FDP: Rösler was born in Vietnam and adopted. Later became vice chancelor. Green Party: Cem Özdemir, both parents are turkish migrants.
DuckyofDeath123
So you could work against her, if you preferred :D
toasteheh
Ah Merkel, the woman who demands that the rest of Europe just does what she says, despite no other country having voted for her.
clk62
Read that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_European_Union
BlasserDuennerJunge
You mean like... the US-President?
Herecomesjohnny
that's not how european deleguates work at all, guy.
SmolTenk
I mean, its not like they can just outvote her. That would be insane. evil germany having all the votes during EU decisions.
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mackzuhmill
Lol yah while my homeland's (Poland) conservative government is just asking Germany to invade them again
SmolTenk
Btw, are you guys/your government still going for reparations? It was reported on once here in germany but havent heard about it since.
SmolTenk
... yes. Because no other country does that.
toasteheh
Germany seems historically incapable of staying politically neutral and not impose their will on other countries. Its almost absurd.
SmolTenk
And to think, they didnt even have any major colonies...
Herecomesjohnny
i thoughf you were just euroskeptic which is fine buuuuut nah you're just a human hemorroid
toasteheh
Wow cant even fucking counter argue, just has to resort to personal attacks. Its the level of discussion im used to from you clowns.
tehaoer
You really have little idea about how EU works, dontcha?
toasteheh
No I do, and thats exactly the problem: plenty of politicians not elected by a majority of countries get to decide and apply policy for all.
schlummi
You just proved you got no clue about the EU.
questionableanswers
Education is key friendo: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/20150201PVL00004/Powers-and-procedures
BlasserDuennerJunge
Merkel doesn't tell other countries what to do. And saying this, while USA has military bases in so many countries, leading in war crime >
BlasserDuennerJunge
> and torture and murder of civil people is just insane. Clear your own doorstep first before making obvious how dumb you are.
CreateYourOwnNormality
*No I don't. Fixed that for you.
toasteheh
The kind of counter arguement I expect from a child. "The EU is great. No need to criticize its actual function and hierarchy"...ugh
DuckyofDeath123
those politicians are there because of your vote though. Each country's parties have representation in the EU parlament.
toasteheh
1) Yes, you get a "representative". But the majority were never elected by the other countries and get to set labour/immigration etc laws.
toasteheh
2) How do you not see a democratic problem with that? Amazing to see how people will defend the EU as it strips the power of their vote.
toasteheh
3) You vote for a guy who votes for another guy to go into the EU as a minority(!) to vote on laws that affect us all.
CliveWarren81
Ok, that's sweet and all, but there's literally no source on this. The "Vox" article even calls it an "anecdote."
Poetman111
When fiction matches, without surpassing, the horrifying and surreal reality, the problem is rooted in that reality, not the fiction.
TheDrunkChicken
NBC reported it and sourced two anonymous officials. Take what you will from that.
Wyldkat80
“Anonymous” is the key word!!! Hahaha
JamJarre
I mean he copied in Kal Penn so you think if it were fake he'd mention it. Plus there's a photo
CliveWarren81
I'm referring to the allegation about Trump in the intel briefing.
BALKatalo
It sure wouldn’t be the first time he’s done exactly that to some unfortunate female staffer. Maybe that’s why almost all of them are gone.
RavensX1X
It's probably a split of Trump not tending to follow the norm, and stress from the most publicized team, with a bit of 'tard thrown it.
CliveWarren81
That's not how that works. That's called "conjecture," and it's not a legit source to base a character assassination on.
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CliveWarren81
"If" being the qualifier.
BALKatalo
I guess I will never stop hearing people defend this repeat offender. Or make the ‘they’re all bad’ bullshit that got this idiot elected.
CliveWarren81
That's the thing, you're clearly biased by dislike. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I can see the reason they call shit like this >
CliveWarren81
"fake news." It just doesn't pass muster.
Herecomesjohnny
America, we like you but you gotta stop thinking good thigs only happen in america....
sweetcarnage86
Our country is being razed by a sociopath and we're all just kind of existing at the edge of a volcano. Let us have this one for today.
DookieHowserMD
As an American, I wish more Americans would understand this. Fuck this whole “god bless America but no one else” bullshit.
dejaystarr
Agreed... How can we "be so great" but still need "take care of all these problems"?
wingmanofmayhem
Sensationalism is rampant. Yeah it’s a cool moment, but it honestly shouldn’t be that emotionally charged.
Raithlyn
We Americans are trained from birth in every school and song to believe this. Some is leftover patriotism from 20th century war propoganda.
Slash0mega
i honestly blame school and upbringing, i recall taught that amarica is the best place on earth and we are lucky to be here as a young child
rossimus
As an American, I've tried multiple times to move to Canada, the UK, and other parts of Europe. Unless you are fleeing war, or extremely1/2
rossimus
wealthy, it isn't at all easy to go chase dreams in any of those places. At least not in my experience. 2/2
Herecomesjohnny
my dad left the chinese communist regime to become an accomplished chemical engineer in france, i don't get what you mean
rossimus
Interesting, did you go with him when he moved there a couple years ago?
Herecomesjohnny
chinese people don't "flee" the communist regime these days, it's not as awful as in the 80s, migration is mostly for a better situation
Draevan13
"In what other country could an immigrant/child of immigrants be in the government"? Literally all first world countries...
Whatyouregonnawannado
In our next election it seems likely we're gonna get a black muslim woman as pm. I don't vote based on that but it would be exciting.
rossimus
Yeah but we made it cool
baal2016
No, only the US is free! Anywhere else is a godless commie dictatorship! (sarcasm btw)
udoulove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
LavaAxe
Where's this from?
dejaystarr
The Newsroom (Netflix series IIRC)
relicen
Every American should see that.
ilikebigbuttsandcannotlie123
Russia is a first world country right?
LavaAxe
In the cold war system they'd be a 2nd world country which simply meant "warsaw pact", 1st was NATO. 3rd was un-allied countries.
LavaAxe
And in that sense countries like Finland, Sweden and Zwitzerland were 3rd world countries. But the meaning has shifted.
LavaAxe
So currently 1st world means just a developed country and that has started to include a lot of places. Russia etc.
CreateYourOwnNormality
Russia doesn't exist. There is only Putin.
Draevan13
I thought they were a 2nd world country, but if they are 1st I'd rephrase as "1st world country that isn't a poorly disguised dictatorship"
Shargan8
According to the Cold War nomenclature, Russia is 2nd world, but this isn't necessarily ranking best-worst, its political affiliation
JizzlamicState
Nice story, but this is definitely possible in many other countries, look at the Canadian government
udoulove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
Dokramuh
I like how the story is "in what other country can parents break their backs for their whole lives just so their kids are better off", 1/2
Dokramuh
while in other countries parents don't have to break their backs and their kids will still be better off. 2/2
LavaAxe
Only in the America of A can you expect returns on your back-breaking labor within 2-3 generations!
BitchButcher
First I also thought that but then I realized he's right: Only in USA you could work in the White House for President Obama.
CoreyLaa
I agree. in fact, the only reason people make a big deal about achieving something amazing in america is because it's actually quite hard.
Eight77
Oh let us have a moment ffs. We now have a racist Cheeto that vomits diarrhea everywhere. Let us remember the happy times.
LavaAxe
I hope for better times ahead, fren.
kryptaknight
High Quality: https://youtu.be/ZPHSXUS0_1c?t=1m12s
aCartographer
Maybe the point was that it wasnt possible before in the US and for brief moment they were little closer to being a well-functioning country
TheFragnatic
"The American dream" stems from reality, it just isn't anymore. It was the land of opportunity... 100 years ago.
TheFragnatic
Not saying it's not full of opportunities now, just that it's nothing special in that regard anymore.
spudpicker
. . . . and then Trump got elected.
Theverant
Did you not read the post? Only in amerca can you dream. In america you can dream to work for the canadian government. Not in canada.
Lostchild12
Only sister and 2 Canadians qualified for a specific Canadian gov't job. She got the job and retired a few years ago. Lives in Toronto.
DancingDoggo
Tru, even Canadians don't wanna work for the Canadian gov
FestusMcFestus
Probably because you won’t get payed...
FrozenCoast
I just astounded that this shot has gone on so long.You can buy a payroll app on your phone that works...gov’t can’t get out of it’s own way
MFuzzySmock
I mean have you seen Wynne’s approval ratings? I’m Liberal and even I’m like “y’know.... maybe I’ll vote NDP...”
NintendoSupport
She's been fluctuating between 13 & 9% approvals. None of us like her. None of us want her to remain in her position.
DisneyMoreDisney
Yet she will still run...
mirhagk
Yeah Ontario government is a mess. It's too bad there isn't a party that is both not racist and financially responsible
MFuzzySmock
I mean she effectively used taxpayer money to help her campaign last election.
madbydesign
“In what country is this possible…?” Many any countries, oddly. Seems ppl are conditioned to think it’s as difficult or worse elsewhere.
Favri
Completely agree. Americans just aren't aware of anything else happening in other countries and are bombarded with this only in the US crap.
FernandoRumdebum
Aye, pretty much most of western Europe is the tits
tomfused
Even working for Obama in another country wouldn't have been that hard… if you were a US diplomat.
LurkerOfDarkness
Rufus Gifford certainly had fun with it. Now he's running for office himself. Congress AFAIR.
misfit119
There are countries where first & second generation immigrants can have problems getting govt. jobs. Especially if you're from"bad" areas.
makelthappen
Yea but where could I get a quick new citizenship in one of these countries in case Opra or Trump is president again
LavaAxe
Estonia grants eCitizenships ... only gives you the right to create a company in Estonia tho..
IamGurrthetiger
how many eCitizens does eStonia have currently? or is that information not in the public domain?
RepostFromLastWeek
Nah, he said "end up working for Obama". So only in a single country at one time.
AlbinKlein
Yeah right, anywhere else mate, anywhere else is easier...
hillbill858
I think you're missing a small point here. Hes critizing the trump campaign and all you took from it was america is great. Dumbass
keyserv
Not as many as you think.
Markamanic
Try western Europe. You'd be better off than in the states.
DorianBlack
I understand this attitude but I like to apply the reality of this nation being far less homogenous than other places where (1/2)
DorianBlack
(2/2) It is equally rare to see minorities (relative to population) gain roles of authority much less highest seat of gov.
DorianBlack
Its very closeted view to ignore rampant bigotry and prejudice (xenophobia) of all nations just bc America is so visibly struggling w/it.
udoulove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
Honigfuchs
What movie is that?
Colrum
Not to be a pedant but the full sentence ends with "working for @barackobama" and the answer to that would be only America...
VinnieJonesDiary
The question clearly meant "where else could the son of an immigrant rise so high?"
heinzb
Thank you.. I read all his tweets so I could be informed before replying with pretty much what you said..
ocdmn
but bur but 'muh American Dream
melodramaticbat
yeah the American Exceptionalism in this post definitely hits the wrong note in my opinion, considering what he's addressing.
fr1080f
They do refer to their country as the "free world"
mardukkur
The free world isn't meant to refer to the US. It was a cold war era term for the western democratic countries that opposed the soviets.
STINKPICKEL
A lot of folks here seem to ignore the fact the guy's fam is Korean. He could be using NK as a reference point, don't be so closed minded.
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burgerflaps
VinnieJonesDiary
One plus side of Brexit is that the Irish passport industry is booming! We've produced a record number of new passports two years in a row
VinnieJonesDiary
So thanks for that, you're keeping me in a job!
newsguycraigevans
The American Republican party often tells their supporters that socialized medicine makes everywhere else worse.
LurkerOfDarkness
Yes, when will the torture of never having to worry about how getting injured or sick could ruin me end.
jakslasher
Yes but you have to pay like 8 dollars a week. Is it really worth it
LavaAxe
The cheap heart surgery my friend had really ruined his chances of working his way up the heavenly ladder.
Alysaere
"In what country [of USA] is this possible?" -Probably
LurkerOfDarkness
Of all the countries between Canada and Mexico, USA is number 1!
Alysaere
Don't get me started on how much better their stats are in American football! They're practically in a league of their own!
oshodatwan
Maaan...where else have you been? Socialist ass Europe? Yeah right!
twozerooz
You mean the Scandinavian countries consistently ranking higher than America in quality of life?
twozerooz
Theyre also not socialist, they are capitalist with social policies.
ChaosandChaos
Which is how it should be in America. "Freedom and liberty".
ForGondor
You've pretty clearly never left America.
suburbanhyena
Many, many other countries indeed
FluffyCthulu
Pretty sure you can only work in the White House for the POTUS in the US...
TheSwedishCryptid
Well the US of POTUS stands for U.S after all.
Hialur
itisanimgurnaccount
It's disspointing that so many Americans don't realise they live in a first world shithole. The rest of us are embarrassed for you.
AgainstMethod
Yeah, the rest of us from the country without deep systemic problems that definitely exists.
VinnieJonesDiary
Yup, my country doesn't have legal access to abortion & the Church refuse to pay the agreed reparations for all their child abuse, but we
VinnieJonesDiary
are at least moving forwards, America, from my perspective, is moving backwards
AgainstMethod
I understand why it looks that way, but we're not defined by the White House and it would be too simplistic to say we're moving "backwards".
tzap
Yeah. I mean USA is like in the last quarter of all the Western countries in social mobility and opportunities. Don't get me wrong, 1/2
tzap
.. USA is still a democracy and a relatively free country on the whole world's scale. But it's far off from being the torchbearer. 2/2
burgerflaps
“Democracy.” The US is a thirld-world country in all but name at this point.
LurkerOfDarkness
Which is really sad, they had a good lead, but they squandered it. :-(
tablecat
To be fair, he ended the sentence with "working for Obama". That's much more difficult if you live in Europe.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
It's much easier in Japan
johnlau653
Yep, I've even seen it happen here in good 'ol South "Shithole"
ImWearingMyBrownPants
Well he is right, in no other country would it be possible to end up working for the first African-American president. Not his point though.
Terminology
As an American, this ticked me off too. Many other countries offer the same opportunities and even higher social mobility.
LavaAxe
In no other country than The United States of America can you work in Barack Obama's white house tho.
Terminology
That's not all he said or meant though. "In what other country are you able to dream and achieve your dreams".
LavaAxe
Yeah, he was going 100% 'Murikey.
NoeCarrier
It's the same mindset as in North Korea, funnily enough. America and Bad Korea are more similar than either will readily admit.
DarkUranium
Is that why Americans call it Best Korea? Because how can America be the best if North Korea isn't as well?
figuringeights
How exactly?
donorkort
If anything, it would be a lot easier in a bunch of other countries, where social mobility is much higher.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
....and you're less likely to get shot.
MFuzzySmock
I mean Canada is right here. We’re right here, you guys. We can hear everything you’re saying. It’s also possible here btw.
shinydev
Wait, you can? We keep getting louder every time you say “eh” because we think you didn’t hear us.
MackanK
The current prime minister of Sweden (my country) is a carrier welder with only a high school education.
Rulweylan
The leader of the opposition in the UK got 2 E grades in his A-levels and then flunked out of a 'trade union studies' degree.
Rulweylan
Welding seems pretty smart by comparison.
Aardvarksneedlove
That's impressive but in America the current president appears to have no education, nor a filter between his brain and his mouth.
leorex
Vat da faak?
CueCappa
Do you mean a career welder or does he actually weld shit on carriers? Cause that'd be pretty cool.
MackanK
Haha, sorry no I meant career. English as a second language :)
LurkerOfDarkness
As a dane: I knew you guys were up to something! Now do we need to build our own carriers, or is it for defense against Russia....
Herecomesjohnny
i'm a chinese immigrant's son in europe and i love it here, is the korean dude thinking we're all slaves in a penn or what??
LurkerOfDarkness
Fellow europeans! One of them have escaped!
IvnWng
Don’t you know? ‘Murica’s the greatest country in the world!
LurkerOfDarkness
Russia is greater, and Canada too, many square kilometers greater.
AgainstMethod
Do you consider yourself European?
tanteoma
Not the OP but the daughter of Chinese immigrants to Germany. Yes, I’m German and European. Freude, schöne Götterfunken...
Herecomesjohnny
yes. My mom's french, I sing the marseillaise every football match. Kinda fuck off with your scepticism because of my skin color.
AgainstMethod
Sorry, I don't have any skepticism at all. I've read African immigrants who felt like it was hard to be recognized as authentically
AgainstMethod
German, I just wondered if you shared that perspective.
Dokramuh
Here in sweden, university is free; they pay me to study; they also provide a VERY low interest loan so I can live on my own. 1/2
WhiteDemon
How low is VERY low?
Dokramuh
From what I understand it's a 0.3% anual interest rate.
TheRealSirGregorCleganeTheMountain
I dunno if it's the same across the bridge but my student loan (Denmark) is 1% annual interest AFAIK
AgolfHiller
Well the other part of the population pays so you can go to university. Nothing wrong with, I don't mind paying higher taxes so the next
AgolfHiller
Generation is well educated. But it wouldn't work in the USA where the people are spoiled and greedy
pip1
In Denmark, you actually ARE paid to study. Suck it, Sweden.
Dokramuh
bruv, I have bidrag. You have a higher bidrag though =(
TheFragnatic
What, so are we? You can't afford to live in your own place on it, but that's what the loan is for.
pip1
Ah, I thought your's was all a loan... fair'n'square then!
Dokramuh
My point is, Suck it USA. You suck.
fluffOpAnimal
I’m American and I wish we had even a little bit of what Western Europeans have.
terrorfield
You mean to tell me that your country actually loves you? You lucky person, you.
stillers2000
As an American, I second this statement
SaticoySteel
As someone raised and born in USA, not everything in the media is true.
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
Hey I thought the same till your incompetent leader tweeted absurdities. And now listening to you guys it's clear more is true than false.
SaticoySteel
See you’re still believing the media, who knows how the hell he ended up in power. But he’s not America’s leader.
LurkerOfDarkness
You mean people would lie for profit? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
KharliahDragon
Plenty of other 1st world countries with better opportunities than the USA. Australia, Canada, basically all of Europe.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Really depends on where in Europe. e.g. Germany had a minister president for Lower Saxony who was a dual german-british citizen, the (1)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
green party has a chairman of turkish descent. London has a mayor of indian descent. However, I wouldn't hope for chances like that (2)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
in, say, Poland or Hungary. (3)
daURLfieldcanonlycontainlettersandnumbers
Correction: Plenty of 1st world countries with better opportunities than the USA. Australia, Canada, basically all of Europe
Insomnia297
Fuck dude, I moved to a "third world" country to get more opportunity.
RuListning
You also get into different immigration laws depending on country. This can affect the #& type of immigrants.
EwgB
I don't think it's that much in easier in Western Europe. I'm an immigrant in Germany (came at age 11) and I've done well for myself. 1/?
EwgB
I'm solidly in middle class, good income, bought a house. And the reason is in many regards education possibilities. 2/?
EwgB
Those are definitely better in Germany (I basically paid nothing for a masters degree). On the other hand, not having connections... 3/?
EwgB
...is a big drawback here. And also not looking like a German (I am white, but not white enough). So I think it's a wash. 4/4
mcmachack
If you think racism doesn't exist in Europe, you've never been to Europe, White people hating each other for being the wrong kind of white
jlist
But for an outsider, or the immediate children of outsiders? I live in Japan but can't see this exact scenario happening for my kids
jlist
Who are half American, half Japanese. They have no discrimination and plenty of opportunities, but wouldn't be welcome working in the govt
TheFragnatic
Wait aren't there still businesses who straight up refuse white people from entering?
jlist
Pretty sure that's not a thing. If you think it is, you might ask yourself why you think that.
Tornadotaco
No discrimination but wouldn't be welcome because of their ethnicity?
jlist
Well they are in a unique position being half. They'd naturally find a calling in, say, the U.S. or Japanese embassies. But likely not
wowbaggerthethird
*Europe except Poland, Hungary, Czech Rep., Slovakia, Serbia, Albania, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, BiH, Ukraine, Macedonia, ...
Cal1te
Depends what career you are in, manufacturing in much of these Eastern countries is more lucrative than muh of the West, same pay,less costs
selectiveyellow
You are wrong. I live in the czech rep and I'm from Canada-mobility here is same as Cananda, and more jobs & opportunity
BeenThereDoneDat
They already have immigrants, who never integrated, long before US even existed.
DIDJAPUTYERNAMEINTHEGOBLETUVFIRE
A.K.A. shithole Europe
AgolfHiller
We call those the eastern block countries.
Markamanic
That's why I always specify western europe.
AoShin
eh.... you should really check your facts. (except Serbia of course, that shit is fucked)
DarkUranium
Given the recent growth in Poland, and an apparent boom in some areas in the Czech republic, I'd say those definitely count, at least.
ino84
They can be a bit xenophobic, but than east Germany also is in parts. Most Czechs I met were very nice hard working people
eatened
I live in the CR and I'm confident I have better opportunities here than I would in the US. Same goes for some other countries you listed.
wowbaggerthethird
sure. Provided you are not the wrong colour, nationality or religion.
eatened
I'd say the situation here is similar or better than in the US, actually. I wonder where you get your information from.
CueCappa
Anything East or South of Slovenia, basically.
DarkUranium
I thought Croatia was doing pretty well? And I'm saying this as a Slovene.
Shargan8
If you live in Novo mesto, you see half of Zagreb going to Ljubljana every morning.
CueCappa
Also I really hate the 140 character limit, I don't think it serves much of a purpose. Should also be able to edit comments.
CueCappa
And when it comes to work classes and similar stuff, we're still in a pretty bad spot. Corrupt government of thieves and all that. 3/3
CueCappa
We'll get there eventually, younger folks that had access to the internet for most of their life end up not being as nationalistic. 2/?
CueCappa
I'm from Zagreb, Zagreb itself is alright, rest of the country is still stuck in the past, homeland war and all that shit. 1/2?
fluffOpAnimal
That’s the “other” Europe that most Americans forget exists.
wowbaggerthethird
that's OK. If I hadn't been there, I wouldn't know Minnesota exists.
fluffOpAnimal
Most Americans don’t know Minnesota exists.