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Cebrail
Genius meme! I wonder what could make people buy from a cheap service during a pandemic, for cross country shipping at that!! So clever!
minipancho94
Not always a choice. I can't afford ethically made clothes, but I can't go around naked. They're still finding casualties from last time.
skogstad
I went out of my way this season to not use at all- and it was friggin hard!
NelsonbNelson
I used Etsy!
forrestgrump88
‘But it’s slightly cheaper and more convenient!’ they all cried. ‘I care but not enough to use another website or do anything!’
PoppaBigBear
You can bitch at Amazon but there will just be another giant to take over. You have to aim at the source, your politicians.
Calicious
For me it is mostly to do with the reliable shipping. Amazon has cornered the market on rapid & cheap shipping.
Mobouncetotheoz
I tried mailing something last year myself to a secret Santa on the other side of the world. Shipping would have cost $85
HeyOhBotchedToe
I never buy from Amazon. It's actually not that hard.
Coyotebd
Don't expect the altruism of the poor to correct the failings of government.
Dahliaisahedgehog
Amazon has also helped us to grow the Secret Santa program!
IrrelevantElephants
We all know Amazon is awful, but we also are so overworked and underpaid that we often can't afford but use it. Similar to WalMart. 1/2
IrrelevantElephants
2/2 When the choice is to spend $5 with Amazon or $20 with local store, I often can't afford that extra fifteen bucks. That's a tank of gas.
ThomasHarris111
But we don't want to get rid of Amazon. we just want corporate accountability, humane treatment and compensation for workers and 1/2
ThomasHarris111
To tax the rich.
StrangePaegan
“Strange, you complain about capitalism yet you participate in capitalism.”
Multipew
Nah you can participate in capitalism without supporting a particular company. It's not hard to not buy from Amazon
StrangePaegan
You didn’t grasp what I wrote. Sorry.
Larirari
I shopped at small businesses for all my gifts I packed in the box I sent. I can't bring myself to give Amazon a dime, former employee.
miakkamisfit
Same here. Most my gifts I bought at a local craft show. Everything by local artisans. Boxed and shipped 2 weeks ago
MichelGoussu
I'd give more upvotes if i could
badzomzie
We don't want it to go away. We just want it to be better. Besides, if we boycott it then Congress is just going to give it ourmoney anyway.
ThisIsMyUsername444
My partner & I have made a point this year to not order from Amazon, surprisingly easy to find what you need elsewhere & often cheaper
DutchBoeremeisie
It's not always easy. I had to put in a lot of time to find people selling what I'm trying to buy in the countries I want it delivered.
DutchBoeremeisie
But I'm glad I did.
ChallengerDeep
"We want to care, but not if it inconveniences us."
Bauchnabelfussel
100% agree. All the comments here are basically "but it's just soooooo convenient!!!"
memeotronic
There's a lot of putting the onus for ethical conduct on the consumer not the company. Yes, we as individuals should try to consume p1
memeotronic
Ethically, but if a company has monopolized the market then the onus should be on them to behave ethically, rather than condemning the p2
memeotronic
Individual for buying from them. If the only shop owner in town is a bastard, focus on them, not telling the locals to go without clothes p3
memeotronic
To punish them. Put pressure on the government to regulate businesses, not people.
Whatsname
Feel the Burn, hypocrites! (NOTE: only those that whine about Amazon yet use it anyways)
youdontknowmeormydog
I hate aAmazona nd their tax evasion/Practices but what they do have is a delivery service that turns up at my house. Unlike the rest
hitthatbomb
So you also choose economy over humanity? Pro-Trumper and Anti-lockdown I guess?
youdontknowmeormydog
Wrong country mate, I chose lockdown, remain and I operate my business ethically and support local charities/business. But I like my stuff.
youdontknowmeormydog
Oh and I share my prime video with 5 other households, and they order through my account so hitting them a little in profit margin
Katz00
Yes! Amazon gets here when promised. FedEx on the other hand, lost my package.
youdontknowmeormydog
In UK its people in cars, but I havent had a parcel go missing yet, DHL, etc are a nightmare with problems 80% of the time.
asm80dfa8sdfj
Amazon generally uses FedEX and UPS to deliver. Sometimes those services will drop it to USPS for local delivery.
Katz00
Last few times I ordered an Amazon van dropped my stuff off.
MaybeAcat
Ethical consumerism is a rich mans game.
Thephedora
Yeah... Amazon is so big its essentially inescapable now. You're probably using Amazon AWS more then you think you are.
SkippedOver
Fun Fact: Imgur is hosted by Amazon Web Services and has been since 2011.
DreadPierateRoberts
Nope they imgu me is hosted my my oven
RayMC
Oh snap, if you want to include AWS, NONE of us are guilt free. It’s most of our internet.
asm80dfa8sdfj
Define guilt in this instance though. I didn't ask anyone to use it, if I had a choice to change it, I would. But it's not like I can go to
asm80dfa8sdfj
the version of my favorite websites hosted on alternate services - the only option is the one they are using. Okay, you could boycott those
asm80dfa8sdfj
sites, but then you'd be digging constantly to find who is hosting what and it would just be a nightmare in general.
unhelpfulrobot
Be a lot easier than tracking which manufacturers are ethical. Someone could even write a browser plugin to block automatically.
Mysoulispurple
Us Amazon employees are exhausted
NuclearGradeIrony
Please remain at your location. An Attitude Corrective Officer has been dispatched to the location of your IP address. -Amazon Co.
VaultGirl69
It's almost like major corporations don't give a flying fuck if you enter poverty. Gasp! /s
FierceAndAdorable
Thank you for all you and your o PO were have done throughout the pandemic
Shuckeru
Just in from another 60 hour week - stay strong brother.
AncientTerror
I wish there would be at least an option for delivery: "I don't care ... 1-3 weeks is just fine"
LiquidSodium
Making it the cheapest option is also part of it
Piroen
They treat US employees like garbage, over here we have labour laws. -anywhere else.
TeenageMutantNinjaRaptor
I tried to go unique but ship times were super delayed because of covid. Did one unique and the rest Amazon so they had something b4 xmas
riplikash
This may surprise you, but it's not hypocrisy to participate in something and ALSO want to improve it. Mind blowing, I know.
silverskeeter44
Depends. If you are trying to improve the situation or are actively making it worse.
riplikash
I never said people couldn't be hypocrites. But the initial argument is flawed. It's in not hypocritical to use a service and criticize.
silverskeeter44
Criticize with words means jack shit if you yourself dont listen. What's that old saying about words vs actions?
riplikash
Really just looking for single words to harp on there to "win" the conversation, huh?
silverskeeter44
Ok I'll continue. You would have a point if we were talking about public transportation or clean water, but its amazon delivery service.
bartoho
How did you improve it i wonder?
riplikash
Improve what, Amazon? I wouldn't say I HAVE improved it, but as a society we can improve it by pushing for policy changes (both in amazon
riplikash
and in government) that improves the quality of life of those who work at places like Amazon, as well as spreading awareness of issues faced
riplikash
by those who work there. But working towards those changes doesn't preclude purchasing from the company. It's not a binary thing.
silverskeeter44
MEAT IS MURDER, eats cheese burger. It's not a binary thing.
amp99
I see this often, and I think there's a disconnect. Given the choice, most people WOULDN'T buy from Amazon, but they're cheap & reliable 1/2
RadonGaming
It's fine, their leading robotic warehouse technology. The people ethics will soon be a none problem. All hail megacorp.
Jhacon
I mean they are given a choice. Amazon provides an excellent service. Thats what matters. No one has to work for amazon.
Illtrytoexplain
They have the choice you are just too lazy to get up from your sofa or to find another solution. Do you really need 1-day delivery. BS
FierceAndAdorable
When I use amazon, I never choose one day. I’m never in that much of a hurry.
5GFPLaqZ4nAy2QwrqOEI
it is convenient but not necessary imo. it is something people can live without.
DrPepperandChocolate
My Prime membership expires today and I'm not renewing. It was convenient, but I can definitely live without.
whyexactly
The funny thing is in my experience they're more expensive and unreliable here. But people still love them.
Landroid55
I tried to buy most of my gifts through target this year's. But there were still some items i got through Amazon. Trying!
DrPepperandChocolate
Good for you :) Any amount of change at all is better than no change.
FierceAndAdorable
It’s a pandemic, avoiding stores, able to gift wrap, huge choice range. Able to find things on the giftee’s likes
Meeces
I disagree I think most people really don't care
ShutTheFrontDoors
The other thing is that when sending something across the world for secret Santa, Amazon is super easy. Don’t have to worry about packing 1/
ShutTheFrontDoors
Or mailing or any of that stuff. You just pick out what you want to send from a huge inventory and it handles it. 2/2
amp99
There are many people who don't want to support them, but other options (e.g. companies who treat staff ethically) are too expensive. 2/2
Flametide
I found my secret santa stuff on etsy. Other stuff I find on amazon and buy for 1-2$ more on ebay. There are ways to not support Amazon
djaiaueifich
This is so true. I went to ned bath and beyond for like a big dresser organizer. They had 2 options, both over 100. I got one 40 bucks on A
TheRealFireFrenzy
Also its globally availible which is a major pro (example; my sister lives in singapore and its FUCKING CONVENIENT)
thecmerrilees
But that is a choice? People value and choose the portion of employee exploration that goes to them (cheap and efficient) over paying more
amp99
It's not a choice for some people; they can't afford to pay more.
ScreenshotsofSpam
@amp88 is correct. You are assuming that there isn’t an equitable difference between $10 theoretical dollars and $100, but 1/2
ScreenshotsofSpam
Depending on our own biases (penny pincher, trust fund kid, etc.) we all value money differently. I can still hate Monsanto and eat food 2/3
ScreenshotsofSpam
Just because I can’t afford the $30 grapes, doesn’t mean I don’t want my grapes ethically raised, etc.
Taxicat
Amazon also makes a point of buying out or crushing anyone who might be a worthy competitor. They’re like an online version of >
RayMC
Sometimes companies have no choice but to sell out, like Eero last year. It was either be bought out, or die.
Taxicat
>Walmart, deliberately destroying all the local businesses so they can become the ONLY option most people have access to.
Kamishiro
Diapers.com is a great example of this. They were a new company, that set up infrastructure that allowed them to sell diapers online at a >>
Kamishiro
<< fraction of the price anyone else could manage. Amazon bought a massive quantity of diapers, then sold them even cheaper, taking a huge>>
CheesecakePi
Also, Amazon is so dang convenient. You can find just about anything, and lots of user reviews can help weed out the really crappy products
RacanGiraffeMonster
well, according to an article I just read between 40 and 60 % of the reviews are fake but nowadays so good that u can't distinguish which
GrimReaper411
Thry even sell cars, which makes it way different than any other place. And a house/prefabs. It is remarkable, and terrifying.
Shamwowser
Macy's used to sell prefabs through a catalogue
Eldibs
It's a shame their search and categorization absolutely sucks compared to a more specialized site.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I rarely ever used it because of this, the user experience is so shitty. Now I boycott them though so it doesn't matter.
Randomice
Amazon is also a very useful service. Both can be true at the same time.
linguinepescatore
hey, get that quantum braining outta here! best to speak in boomer binary
OndeBent
I mean cheap clothes from China is useful to me. I still avoid buying it
BahamutBBob
slightlymeltedcheese
So much for the libertarian argument of free market backlash.
VeryEnthusiasticWalksThroughtheWoods
I'd love to ship nice stuff but it'd be almost as expensive to mail regularly than it's cost
AnimalGenetaliaAudioClues
Slaves provide a useful service too. We should use slaves more often.
NiskanensBureaucrats
It's a very affordable service. You can buy almost anything on there from retailers, for a fraction more. It's a Predatory business model.
NiskanensBureaucrats
And if you use it, you're a part of that Predatory behaviour.
doihavetobeclever
We need useless crap more than we need to make a statement apparently
lynxBeast
Like everything depends a lot on location. People at one near me love it.
RoovyRoo
Yes and Nike "makes" some affordable sneakers...
bartoho
NekoNeedsTail
SrgtMuffin
Yea, I have been trying to order away from Amazon this year. So far an error charged $200 from my cc without any order being made. 1/2
SrgtMuffin
2/2 not always the case but the convenience of use is why Amazon is staying ahead. :/ I just wanted to order fluffy slippers...
Cha0sForever
They have built a service that the poorest are now dependent on. Keeps people hooked.
silverskeeter44
Agreed but I think OP is pointing out people being hypocritical is not helping their own cause.
QuartzPoker
It's not hypocrisy to say the water tastes funny but then drink it because you need water.
silverskeeter44
Using amazon is not like access to clean water lol
DoTheJayMan
I think we should make a conscious effort to not support companies like Amazon when possible and encourage others to do the same. BWDIk
realscrumpysteve
I typically use them as a search for something I need, and then buy the product from a local store, or direct from one of the listed sellers
JuxtaposeIsANeatWord
Imo, we are past the point everyday people can make large market changes. We have disenfranchised them too much. Regulation has to happen
pixelsnader
With that attitude, definitely.
LeChez
Made worse by corporate propaganda. E.g. making people believe SUVs have a significant impact on global warming and not factories or 1/2
LeChez
environmentally incensitive shipping practices due to lower labor rates. 2/2
Attwarnerm
True, but individuals often latch onto that fact and use it as an excuse to take no personal action, because "they aren't as bad".
CongratsYouAreHereNow
bullshit. no one is forced to buy shit on amazon
illusiveman771
No one is "forced" to drive a car or have a cell phone either.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
I need a car for work and car companies treat their employees a hell of a lot better than amazon does
BoneDance136
This 100%, applies to so many other problems in the world as well, like climate change
DoomAndThenSum
One of the biggest lies ever told was that individuals could stop climate change by recycling their bottles.
paesano2000
And hardly any plastic gets recycled anyways...
thunderyeet
So I should drive to work instead of using a bicycle because it's pointless to fight the system with everyday small changes?
thunderyeet
I agree we need systematic changes which are far more important but it's possible to have individual changes too. We shouldn't rule that out
BoneDance136
Not necessarily, but it's just as, if not more important, to push for regulating the companies that contribute the most to climate change 1/
BoneDance136
As it is to make our own individual changes. It's not enough for the rest of us just to try to find alternatives to gas guzzling cars or 2/
user3827492
Pretty much, yea. Your 0.0000000000001% percent of emissions aren't enough to change global climate like corporations can.
thunderyeet
So as long as something is hurting the environment more than me it's fine for me to pollute it
StarmineRendezvous
No, feel free to contribute, but the expectation of billions of people uniting for something is unrealistic, and individuals are low impact.
StarmineRendezvous
A few papers signed could change the course of all energy industries and regulations, taxing the rich as well, so we can afford the change.