Currently driving my first vehicle that I can just ask Siri to change redo stations or switch to music steaming using voice commands. But I can’t use voice commands to turn on the ac or turn on rear defrost. Literally the technology is right there to have it be totally hands free and do that stuff but no I need to take my eye off the road to navigate to simple commands that before were just a button on the dash. What a failure.
And yet they can still pull you over and ticket you doing that if they are looking for a reason. “Distracted driving” or “driving without due care”. It’s all bullshit.
I hate degree-based AC. If it's set colder than it currently is you get arctic wind unt the whe cabin is down to temp. If it's higher the you get air fried until the sensor warms up.
Why did we need fancy screens? I grew up watching adults swerve the vehicle I was a passenger in back onto the road or out of the way of the oncoming cars because they had been manually dialing in AM or FM stations or were reaching back behind them to violently "parent" some misbehaving kid or numerous other dangerous things
My Ioniq 5 has a nice balance of switches and touch screens. The only think I use regularly that's behind more than one screen is the seat warmers which I only need a few months a year.
Then go to your local politicians and push them for the change. That's how you get whole markets to act on this stuff. If they ban their use legally, they will stop adding them. It's not even a hard argument to make, #1 as this is basically all you need to argue.
Back a decade ago, before knowing how awful Musk truly was, I was debating between the then new for 2016 Prius, and the Tesla Model 3.
Tesla's completely unsurprising delays helped, of course, but I did a cost benefit analysis of fueling be electric use, and was still on the fence.
Once I heard about the design choice for the Model 3 of putting most controls in the touch screen, I did a hard NOPE. That just a safety disaster. Other makes/models doing this later are equally horrifying. 1/2
Its at the point now that if I don't already have what I'm going to be listening to fully queued up, I just turn the radio off. Because its just too complicated to navigate thru a half dozen menus, none of which make logical sense, on a screen that barely registers my touch, while in traffic. Maybe that's the innovation? Tech so "advanced" that you just don't use it.
These stupid touchscreens in cars just seem so cheap and crappy, too. It's blatantly about cutting corners because they assume everyone will just accept a shitty product. Instantly makes it feel more like a low-end vehicle.
It wasn't even really about cost reduction, it was pure marketing. Tesla did it, and it looked futuristic the first time it was done. So every other brand jumped on the bandwagon to do it so they looked modern. As the screens end up costing more than the physical controls do, because basic dials and buttons are cheaper than complex touch screens. And they already had the production lines for the dials.
Depends. If it's a real quick adjustment? Nah. Fiddling with it to get the temp just right? Yeah cause you'll hit the big three distraction criteria, you'll have a hand off the wheel, eyes off the road and not paying attention to your own driving because your focused on the AC.
This thread is always so predictable. Bunch of people who have only experienced legacy auto's god awful attempts at their own or android auto/apple car play. Not one of you is capable of understanding let alone admitting that Tesla's implementation is outstandingly well done. Everything is easily accessible both from the main screen and on the steering wheel. There's also voice commands. Plus the whole car driving for you part. Just safer overall in every possible dimension.
On the steering wheel, you say? As in, via physical tactile controls like people are talking about? And you still need to take your eyes off the road to see what you have selected, so while it's better than a purely screen-based interface, you're still distracted while performing a simple task like adjusting the AC.
Wow, that sounds exactly like what a normal human being who isn't being paid to shill for a failing third-rate carmaker would say! Sorry, bro, Tesla sucks ass. Cope and seethe. :)
Yeah, and it's not even on a screen to adjust ANY climate controls. I get there are actually cars that stupid, even apart from Tesla, but maybe use a picture matching your bullshit. Also, they're going back to knobs, since that's what people want
It is funny how often people seem to pick the worst possible images to try and make a point. It's like a while back someone posted a thing about out of shape people, but their example image was the fucking Kingpin from Spiderman.
THESEVENSGUY
Currently driving my first vehicle that I can just ask Siri to change redo stations or switch to music steaming using voice commands. But I can’t use voice commands to turn on the ac or turn on rear defrost. Literally the technology is right there to have it be totally hands free and do that stuff but no I need to take my eye off the road to navigate to simple commands that before were just a button on the dash. What a failure.
IHaveAGuyForEverything
And yet they can still pull you over and ticket you doing that if they are looking for a reason. “Distracted driving” or “driving without due care”. It’s all bullshit.
causality
I hate degree-based AC. If it's set colder than it currently is you get arctic wind unt the whe cabin is down to temp. If it's higher the you get air fried until the sensor warms up.
CitrusyGarlic
Why did we need fancy screens? I grew up watching adults swerve the vehicle I was a passenger in back onto the road or out of the way of the oncoming cars because they had been manually dialing in AM or FM stations or were reaching back behind them to violently "parent" some misbehaving kid or numerous other dangerous things
SavageDrums
My Ioniq 5 has a nice balance of switches and touch screens. The only think I use regularly that's behind more than one screen is the seat warmers which I only need a few months a year.
hotaru251
fun fact: this exact issue is hwy some brands are going back to knobs and dials.
youreathing
Get all touchscreens OUT of vehicles. They make no sense, on any level.
Targe0
Then go to your local politicians and push them for the change.
That's how you get whole markets to act on this stuff.
If they ban their use legally, they will stop adding them.
It's not even a hard argument to make, #1 as this is basically all you need to argue.
DerpyBestPrincess
No, you're not. It's illegal to use it while you drive. At least here in Norway.
testecull
Not in my daily.
HisRoyalMajestyKingV
Back a decade ago, before knowing how awful Musk truly was, I was debating between the then new for 2016 Prius, and the Tesla Model 3.
Tesla's completely unsurprising delays helped, of course, but I did a cost benefit analysis of fueling be electric use, and was still on the fence.
Once I heard about the design choice for the Model 3 of putting most controls in the touch screen, I did a hard NOPE. That just a safety disaster. Other makes/models doing this later are equally horrifying.
1/2
HisRoyalMajestyKingV
That the Prius gets reasonably better fuel economy than my attempt at calculating a real-world estimate was an added bonus. 2/2
kittyanya
Amazon music has a lock window when driving. But if my playlist runs out, they add their own music. AI rap sucks in 5 o'clock traffic.
Unindoctrinated
Maybe automakers are paying better bribes to the politicians than phone manufacturers?
khopesh87
Its at the point now that if I don't already have what I'm going to be listening to fully queued up, I just turn the radio off. Because its just too complicated to navigate thru a half dozen menus, none of which make logical sense, on a screen that barely registers my touch, while in traffic. Maybe that's the innovation? Tech so "advanced" that you just don't use it.
GasBandit
My car pairs to my phone, my phone starts automatically playing where it left off in PlexAmp (with my 3000 MP3s and FLACs)
ontarioOT
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from nothing."
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
How the hell was that bullshit ever legal, let alone turning into standard?!?
EchoPMIM
These stupid touchscreens in cars just seem so cheap and crappy, too. It's blatantly about cutting corners because they assume everyone will just accept a shitty product. Instantly makes it feel more like a low-end vehicle.
bingotown
I can’t stand this touchscreen crap when it’s minus 10F and I’m wearing thick gloves and just want to turn the heat up.
Starbolt81
That's why I love my Suzuki, the touchscreen is for audio only (and the reverse camera)
MattScifiBandit
This was a deciding factor for me getting a Mazda. Screen out of hand's reach with physical controls for AC/Heater
swearty
too bad, moving to touchscreen now
MattScifiBandit
I saw and was disappointed
geotard
They have a nice balance between "Media" and car functional control i.e. buttons
Kotarisu
Putting all controls on a touchscreen was only ever about cost-reductions, and never about benefit to the actual customer.
vonHoopla
And it being allowed is nothing more than tech companies paying for a loophole
Targe0
It wasn't even really about cost reduction, it was pure marketing.
Tesla did it, and it looked futuristic the first time it was done.
So every other brand jumped on the bandwagon to do it so they looked modern.
As the screens end up costing more than the physical controls do, because basic dials and buttons are cheaper than complex touch screens. And they already had the production lines for the dials.
iExplainTheJoke
https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/touch-screens-are-over-even-apple-is-bringing-back-buttons-86fb9ea8
RyanSilver612
It was first done in 1986 in the Buick Riviera and can you guess why they removed it? Driver innattention
DrenLithear
I'm for physical button supremacy.
alcamar
I lament the loss of tactile phone interaction
boobityboobityboobity
I still turn knobs
Targe0
Some companies are apparently working to bring them back.
Because almost all market research shows, no one likes touch controls in cars.
Helixninja333
Cost reduction and the potential to gate-keep services that would otherwise be standard.
Quebeker
You want to have the AC that’s 9$ in winter and 20$ in summer (march - nov.) you have to pay a full year only
SenOfFiveTails
Actually, the cost will change real time based on demand. Gotta really jack up the prices during those heat waves, don't you know?
crypresthesia
Fiddling with that to adjust the AC while driving is also covered by MI distracted driving law.
Evenmoreuselessname
Except these buttons and knobs are the AC controls, so this image is kinda dumb
crypresthesia
Except fiddling with those controls also counts.
Evenmoreuselessname
Really? You can't adjust anything on the AC while driving in MI?
crypresthesia
Depends. If it's a real quick adjustment? Nah. Fiddling with it to get the temp just right? Yeah cause you'll hit the big three distraction criteria, you'll have a hand off the wheel, eyes off the road and not paying attention to your own driving because your focused on the AC.
TheWhiteBarry
This thread is always so predictable. Bunch of people who have only experienced legacy auto's god awful attempts at their own or android auto/apple car play. Not one of you is capable of understanding let alone admitting that Tesla's implementation is outstandingly well done. Everything is easily accessible both from the main screen and on the steering wheel. There's also voice commands. Plus the whole car driving for you part. Just safer overall in every possible dimension.
Cataleast
On the steering wheel, you say? As in, via physical tactile controls like people are talking about? And you still need to take your eyes off the road to see what you have selected, so while it's better than a purely screen-based interface, you're still distracted while performing a simple task like adjusting the AC.
EchoPMIM
Wow, that sounds exactly like what a normal human being who isn't being paid to shill for a failing third-rate carmaker would say! Sorry, bro, Tesla sucks ass. Cope and seethe. :)
TheWhiteBarry
FuzzBall87
So that picture shows physical climate controls below the touchscreen, interestingly enough
emu314159127001
Yeah, and it's not even on a screen to adjust ANY climate controls. I get there are actually cars that stupid, even apart from Tesla, but maybe use a picture matching your bullshit. Also, they're going back to knobs, since that's what people want
petpet3d
Never let the truth stop you from bitching about something
LittleRobot71
Ya, looks like an aftermarket android auto headset.
MarcoPoloOnPollo
Aftermarket Apple CarPlay
BlueDsc
It is funny how often people seem to pick the worst possible images to try and make a point. It's like a while back someone posted a thing about out of shape people, but their example image was the fucking Kingpin from Spiderman.
abtei
the point stands, just a terrible example of it.
BlueDsc
No, actually, when your example is the literal opposite the point does not actually stand with it.