They can't control their children themselves so they want the state to control them for them through laws and bans etc... Others just get driven over in the process...
Ah, just like the 'states rights' argument. The fact that states did NOT have the right to ban slavery and all new CSA states must be slaves states proved that was a lie.
Same parents protesting are the same ones putting their 4 yr old in pagents, cheer or dance, full face of makeup. They prefer the children to be the sexualized one.
Ron DeSantis is in the process of dismanteling Public Education in Florida using "Parental Righs" and stating that "decisions must be the parents". However, he just mad it illegal for parents to take their child for gender-affirming care.
It's never been about any kind of rights. It's about control and diversion. As long as they keep the mob pointed at someone else, they can "justify" anything as long as they can kinda-sorta spin it the right way.
I find it funny that they lie about it, because if they were so proud about it, they'd be open about it, right? It's like they know it's fundamentally wrong, but lie about it so they can go: "See, I'm not a complete piece of shit...!"
My whole thing on this, you don't get to tell other parents what to do with their kids. I don't think they should be allowed in a church, but its not my call.
Any school banning should also reflect on how those parents/property tax payers contribute in their taxes. If you're banned, the government forfeit the right to collect taxes on Property.
Republicans have lost every single election since Donald trump. And they keep going more extreme. They have completely abandoned democracy, and their new strategy is to simply not accept the results of elections. Plus, they have a rogue Supreme Court that unfortunately will not overturn the Unbelievable shit ton of bad legislation they have been passing in recent years. Rudy Giuliani dressed up in Drag in a video with Trump and Trump motorboated him. But now it's a crime? Fuck all Republicans
They don't care. You can point out the logical flaws in their arguments all you like, they don't care. Their arguments aren't made in good faith, they feel nothing about being proven illogical. All they care about is passing the laws they want to pass.
People need to stop wasting time arguing with these idiots. There is no benefit and pigs like getting dirty. That lady in NE showed us blocking these monsters is possible.
I'd love it if ignoring these people worked. But the thing is that this isn't a case of some loud lunatics, these people are causing draconian new laws ripping away the rights and freedoms of LGBTQ people to spring up all across the USA, the UK and more.
What are "parents' rights"? Are these encoded somewhere? Human rights include rights of the child, and typically there is a passage about the right to start a family (something often denied to LGBT people, I might add), but off the top of my head I don't recall specific parental rights. What I'm getting at is that people like this love to set the framework of discussion in their favour, then watch you struggle to argue. Don't accept their assumptions at face value.
The right to use the fact they popped out a sprog in order to enforce their bigoted will on everyone else. Also to control their children's lives down to the tiniest degree then wonder why their children won't talk to them anymore when they've moved out.
Yes, parents' rights are bullshit. Not a thing. They made it up as a thing when they try to get sex ed out of school. "Parents should get to say what they learn!". No you fucking shouldn't. Parents shouldn't be able to opt their kids out of sex ed. Kids have a right to that info. And parents shouldn't get to set the curriculum either. Educators, child psychologists, and accepted experts on the given topic should be defining it. Period. They use "parent's rights" for book banning as well. But /1
what children learn affects everyone, as those children grow up and are part of the community as a whole. Parents don't get the only say. *Everyone* in the community should get a say. Same with drag shows. *Everyone* has a voice in the community. Not just parents. It's a thing they completely made up to silence other voices. I totally agree with you that we need to push back on the whole concept of "parent's rights". /2
Yeah like, we've decided as a society that children have rights, aside from what their parents want or do not want for them. And that's a good thing. It seems like this idea of "parent's rights" is just that they want more control and isolation for their children...
Don't argue with their rhetoric. Look towards what kind of behavior requires their rhetoric to be true, and fight there. When they make stupid claims about how people like me are brainwashing others into being trans, look for future laws designed to make it impossible for us to exist in public spaces. It's already happening, and it's only going to get worse if we don't do something to stop them. Don't assume these are death rattles for the GOP. Lives are at stake, and not just trans lives.
*Shrugs* Or downvote me I suppose. The fake internet points mean little and less, and will be even more useless, so do as you will, if you find my warning simply too inconvenient.
So OP, when are you taking your kid to GoGo dancer story hour, or burlesque story hour? I mean, drag is firmly rooted as an LGBTQ form of adult performance.
A religious zealot who wept about being “cancelled” (before that was even a thing) just because she was opposing the human-rights of a marginalised community in the name of protecting children from deviants. Quite ahead of her time really.
My bff just sent me this video!! The lady who does the video is awesome! I’ve never seen her stuff before. But the nature of the subject matter?! Gah. My gf and I were so pissed off at homophobes and TERFs we only made it halfway thru.
MioTaalas
They can't control their children themselves so they want the state to control them for them through laws and bans etc... Others just get driven over in the process...
szepasszony
Ah, just like the 'states rights' argument. The fact that states did NOT have the right to ban slavery and all new CSA states must be slaves states proved that was a lie.
InfocalypseRising
“It’s actually about X rights” is among the feeblest of fascist justifications
NothingPrince
America the freest country on Earth. Where I will take away your rights if I don't like them.
graehall
It's about a certain set of parents, christofascists, having the right to overrule everyone not like them. So y'know, classic fascism
Autittuderp
Same parents protesting are the same ones putting their 4 yr old in pagents, cheer or dance, full face of makeup. They prefer the children to be the sexualized one.
Yick
It's time to stop pointing out hypocrisy and do something about it.
ErniesWidow
Ron DeSantis is in the process of dismanteling Public Education in Florida using "Parental Righs" and stating that "decisions must be the parents". However, he just mad it illegal for parents to take their child for gender-affirming care.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Parental rights only come into play when they insist on letting their unvaccinated children die from preventable diseases.
TheMightyMollusk
It's never been about any kind of rights. It's about control and diversion. As long as they keep the mob pointed at someone else, they can "justify" anything as long as they can kinda-sorta spin it the right way.
eleanorugby
now that we caught the lying this nightmare is finally over. good job everyone. off to greener pastures.
Gryphonosiris
I find it funny that they lie about it, because if they were so proud about it, they'd be open about it, right? It's like they know it's fundamentally wrong, but lie about it so they can go: "See, I'm not a complete piece of shit...!"
sevenfingers
My whole thing on this, you don't get to tell other parents what to do with their kids. I don't think they should be allowed in a church, but its not my call.
10Upvotes
Any school banning should also reflect on how those parents/property tax payers contribute in their taxes. If you're banned, the government forfeit the right to collect taxes on Property.
HeywouldJablowme
Republicans have lost every single election since Donald trump. And they keep going more extreme. They have completely abandoned democracy, and their new strategy is to simply not accept the results of elections. Plus, they have a rogue Supreme Court that unfortunately will not overturn the Unbelievable shit ton of bad legislation they have been passing in recent years. Rudy Giuliani dressed up in Drag in a video with Trump and Trump motorboated him. But now it's a crime? Fuck all Republicans
bardman135
"States' ri...I mean, parents' rights to do WHAT?"
LookingLikeASnack
They don't care. You can point out the logical flaws in their arguments all you like, they don't care. Their arguments aren't made in good faith, they feel nothing about being proven illogical. All they care about is passing the laws they want to pass.
Khanamana324
Yep. The right uses hypocrisy as a tool to lord over us degenerates how much better they are than us.
Peachcappuccino
They forget trans people are also parents. Source, one of my own parents and I'm 36. Trans people didn't just pop up yesterday.
drowninginthesouth
People need to stop wasting time arguing with these idiots. There is no benefit and pigs like getting dirty. That lady in NE showed us blocking these monsters is possible.
TheAngryMarineBiologist
I'd love it if ignoring these people worked. But the thing is that this isn't a case of some loud lunatics, these people are causing draconian new laws ripping away the rights and freedoms of LGBTQ people to spring up all across the USA, the UK and more.
IOftenDeleteCommentsCauseISuckAtTyping
When they say "rights" they are referring to those on the "right" not as in affordences of the Constitution.
HommeDeFeu
We are watching the end of the republican party and it's not happening fast enough.
aQuantumofAnarchy
What are "parents' rights"? Are these encoded somewhere? Human rights include rights of the child, and typically there is a passage about the right to start a family (something often denied to LGBT people, I might add), but off the top of my head I don't recall specific parental rights. What I'm getting at is that people like this love to set the framework of discussion in their favour, then watch you struggle to argue. Don't accept their assumptions at face value.
TheAngryMarineBiologist
The right to use the fact they popped out a sprog in order to enforce their bigoted will on everyone else. Also to control their children's lives down to the tiniest degree then wonder why their children won't talk to them anymore when they've moved out.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Yes, parents' rights are bullshit. Not a thing. They made it up as a thing when they try to get sex ed out of school. "Parents should get to say what they learn!". No you fucking shouldn't. Parents shouldn't be able to opt their kids out of sex ed. Kids have a right to that info. And parents shouldn't get to set the curriculum either. Educators, child psychologists, and accepted experts on the given topic should be defining it. Period. They use "parent's rights" for book banning as well. But /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
what children learn affects everyone, as those children grow up and are part of the community as a whole. Parents don't get the only say. *Everyone* in the community should get a say. Same with drag shows. *Everyone* has a voice in the community. Not just parents. It's a thing they completely made up to silence other voices. I totally agree with you that we need to push back on the whole concept of "parent's rights". /2
Rhythmaster
Yeah like, we've decided as a society that children have rights, aside from what their parents want or do not want for them. And that's a good thing. It seems like this idea of "parent's rights" is just that they want more control and isolation for their children...
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Exactly. "Parent's rights" intrude on children's rights, and we can't allow that.
ThatOtherTransGirl
Don't argue with their rhetoric. Look towards what kind of behavior requires their rhetoric to be true, and fight there. When they make stupid claims about how people like me are brainwashing others into being trans, look for future laws designed to make it impossible for us to exist in public spaces. It's already happening, and it's only going to get worse if we don't do something to stop them. Don't assume these are death rattles for the GOP. Lives are at stake, and not just trans lives.
ThatOtherTransGirl
*Shrugs* Or downvote me I suppose. The fake internet points mean little and less, and will be even more useless, so do as you will, if you find my warning simply too inconvenient.
J2wooly
So OP, when are you taking your kid to GoGo dancer story hour, or burlesque story hour? I mean, drag is firmly rooted as an LGBTQ form of adult performance.
DaniusJones123
If seeing a man in a dress makes you think of sex, that’s on you bro
TheLastBootyBender
I mean, no it isn't. But please regurgitate more republican talking points.
Clockworkdancerobot
Always been the lie, and they cry when confronted. History says we've been here before. Ie: Anita Bryant.
SunBrolem
The entire fucking Weimar Republic.
CutChemist
Fuck her
ImmoralWombat
A religious zealot who wept about being “cancelled” (before that was even a thing) just because she was opposing the human-rights of a marginalised community in the name of protecting children from deviants. Quite ahead of her time really.
inthenameofthemooniwillspoonyou
They’re stuck in their little time bubbles of idiocy.
Itslukus
Here's a synopsis for our generations Anita Bryant for trans; J.K. Rowling... https://youtu.be/EmT0i0xG6zg
Iatesomecoffeecups
God she's incredible
Dragongirl7256
Ooh a wild Contrapoints
bequietbekind101
My bff just sent me this video!! The lady who does the video is awesome! I’ve never seen her stuff before. But the nature of the subject matter?! Gah. My gf and I were so pissed off at homophobes and TERFs we only made it halfway thru.
TheJuiceLoosener
If Homer Simpson wants his 10-year-old son working in a burlesque house, then Homer Simpson's 10-year-old son is going to work in a burlesque house
Khanamana324
Drag and burlesque ain't anywhere near the same thing mate.
TheJuiceLoosener
That wasn't the idea. I was focusing on the parental rights aspect.
SuperSaiyanYamcha
You think a little thing like facts or reality are going to get in the way of their extraordinarily idiotic take?
posterr
Why do parents want to bring their kids to drag shows?
LrrrRulerOfThePlanetOmicronPerseiEight
Why don't you ask them
Khanamana324
Because kids like over the top costumes festooned in bright colours. Helps keep the kiddos engaged. Have you never interacted with a child before?
dontrike
What do you think a drag show is? Before you answer think about it real hard before saying something stupid.
posterr
I've been to some. You need to take relax you seem incredibly wound up.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Is that a Pfizer product?
posterr
Don't know who makes it. Should be easy enough to Google if you are very curious
dontrike
"Some" is different than what you said initially with "one at a bar"
posterr
Where did I say I only went to one? I've been to a few. Again you need to tone it down a bit. Your aggression is not helpful.