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The general idea of traveling faster than the speed of light comes from John W. Campbell's 1931 novel 'Islands of Space' in which a device called a warp drive is used to travel throughout space. This idea of "warp speed" was popularized in other science fiction writings, most notably in the Star Trek series, and quickly became a well known concept to the general public.
But it's just a work of fiction right?
WELL
Over the past few decades, scientists have been hard at work trying to prove otherwise. And while we still can't say for sure quite yet, there's been tons of proposed methods on how we might be able to achieve light speed.
So hang on to your photons and tell physics to go fuck itself as we take a look at some of these theoretical machines and how they might help us beat the laws of the Universe harder than a red headed step-child
Now there's A LOT of complex information when it comes to this subject, but I'll try to make this shit as easy to understand as I can.
To start things off, in order to better understand how and why these concepts actually work you need to know a few things about space, time, and velocity
so grab a Capri-Sun and tighten your tard harnesses kids, you might actually learn something.
The speed of light in a vacuum (space) is 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers) or roughly 670,616,629 mph (1,079,252,848 kph). At this speed, you could travel from the Earth to the Sun in roughly 8 minutes, or around the Earth 7.5 times in a single second, which I'm pretty sure is too fast for your body to even shit itself in surprise.
Now when it comes to the idea of traveling at/near the speed of light, it's important to understand the quantum nature of our Universe and how the various forces work together. In fact, the "speed of light" is less about light, and more about the speed part.
When measuring a force, what you're really measuring is the effect of an electromagnetic field. Thanks to the Lorentz transformations, a set of equations in relativity physics that relate space, time, and velocity together, these measurements will be consistent. Einstein would later find that the Lorentz transformation tells us that length, time, and mass depend on the relative motion of the observer; and that the speed of light in a vacuum is constant and independent of the motion of the observer or source.
This is the Special Theory of Relativity, which leads us to the next topic:
Time Dilation
The toddler-grade image above shows how a spaceship traveling at the speed of light experiences time much slower than a person observing them from the ground. Time Dilation is a little difficult to wrap your head around, so if none of this makes sense just leave Special Relativity a bad Yelp review and bully Einstein off Twitter
So according to Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, time can speed up or slow down depending on how fast you're moving relative to something else. For example, if you traveled away from the Earth at the speed of light, you would experience time about 60% slower than someone observing you.
This distortion of time is called Velocity Time Dilation and has actually been recorded to occur with astronauts at the International Space Station, albeit at much smaller magnitudes, with some experiencing time 20 milliseconds slower than people on Earth.
Dilation can also occur as Gravitational Time Dilation. The more gravitational force present the slower time goes by, with less force speeding time up. Astronauts on the ISS also experience this as well; As their velocity slows time down, their decrease in gravitational force speeds it back up
you know, just not enough to fully counteract their velocity dilation.
So in the lamest of terms:
Higher relative velocity = slower time
Higher relative gravitational force = faster time
In order for a spaceship to achieve light speed, it would have to rely on the manipulation of mass in some form or another. Photons make up light and have 0 mass, which allows them to move at their speed. So for a ship WITH mass to achieve light speed, some weird shit's gotta happen
And with that, let's check out some proposed methods
Alcubierre Drive
Proposed by Miguel Alcubierre in 1994, this warp drive concept proposes changing the geometry of space itself by creating a wave that would cause the fabric of space ahead of the spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand. In the center, the ship would then ride the wave inside a bubble of flat space called a "warp bubble". Within this bubble, passengers would experience no true acceleration or forces.
This method would theoretically allow for faster than light travel, and due to the warp bubble of flat space present, variables such as time dilation wouldn't affect the passengers the same way they would with other methods of light speed travel.
However, the Alcubierre Drive has ran into its fair share of problems, the main one being fuel.
While the amount of fuel needed isn't considered unobtainable anymore, it's still a lot. For most proposed methods of light speed travel, the biggest issue is the amount of fuel needed to operate. Because of this, it's suggested that these devices require exotic matter for fuel. Exotic matter are hypothetical particles and states of matter that defy current laws, such as having negative mass.
One proposed form of exotic matter is dark energy / dark matter, which may provide gravity repulsive negative mass. This could work, but only if the negative mass behaves the way the Drive requires it to.
Krasnikov Tube
Proposed by Sergei Krasnikov in 1995, A Krasnikov tube is a method for space travel involving the warping of spacetime into permanent superluminal tunnels. This would create a wormhole with the endpoints displaced in time as well as space. The Krasnikov tube would be several light-years long and allow for a return trip that takes travelers back to the time right after they left.
This allows for speeds close to that of light
In the image above, we see that by the time a ship on a 1.5 year flight through the tube arrives at the end, 1,500 years have gone by on Earth. However, going BACK through the tube on another 1.5 year flight puts the ship only 3 years in the future; the exact amount of time spent traversing the tube. If no tube is used to return, the time passed on Earth doubles.
Make sense?
Similar to the Alcubierre Drive, the Krasnikov Tube encounters a problem when it comes to its fuel, as it would require much more advanced technology as well as exotic matter.
There's also another issue.
In theory, if a ship created a tube from point A to point B, and rather than return through it, created ANOTHER tube back, C to D, the two instances could be used as a time machine, allowing travel from the past to the future and vice versa.
Helical Engine
The most recently proposed on this list, the Helical Engine is a concept created by David Burns in 2019. The engine is designed to work by exploiting the way mass can change at relativistic speeds, most notably speeds near that of light. The engine itself would use no fuel, have no moving parts, and instead would contain loop-shaped structures shaped like springs that contained ions.
The idea is that if the mass of weight increases in one direction, it would create a greater push in that direction, generating thrust.
Now according to the principle of the Conservation of Momentum, this shouldn't be possible because without external forces, things remain constant
Unfortunately, Special Relativity doesn't give a fuck.
In Special Relativity, objects increase in mass as they reach light speed. This would manipulate the ions into circling around their spring shaped container, losing mass on one side while gaining it on the other. In theory, the Helical Engine should be able to achieve 99% light speed.
BAM, propulsion.
But of course, there are issues. Firstly, the input to output ration of energy required is extremely poor. It could work in the vacuum of space but there's no telling how well it'll perform yet. Secondly, a lot of David's math hasn't been fully examined by experts, so there's bound to be an oopsie or two.
If anything, the groundwork has been laid for the progression of this technology. So we're sure to see updates in the future.
Black Hole Starships
Strangely, this concept seems like the most infeasible on the list but it's still an idea with work behind it so tah-dah.
First discussed in science fiction, notably in the book Imperial Earth by Arthur C. Clarke in 1975, the concept of a Black Hole Starship involves the formation and utilization of a black hole for energy.
The concept was discussed in 2009, where the idea of a parabolic reflector used to deflect Hawking radiation from the black hole was suggested. While the idea was found to be very close to possible, unknown quantum gravity effects could either make it possible, or entirely impossible.
Using a black hole as energy would be remarkably efficient, the only issue is how to obtain one. Generating a black hole, while a massive undertaking, doesn't require any new physics.
And it’s not like the black hole would have to be large at all. It’d actually only be 0.9 attometers in radius which, take my word for it, is fuckin’ small as fuck.
According to researchers, a black hole to be used in space travel needs to meet five criteria:
1) Has a long enough lifespan to be useful
2) Is powerful enough to accelerate itself up to a reasonable fraction of the speed of light in a reasonable amount of time
3) Is small enough that we can access the energy to make it
4) Is large enough that we can focus the energy to make it
5) Has mass comparable to a starship
How we'd get a black hole, contain it, and use Hawking radiation as propulsion is still way up in the air. But funny enough, the idea seems to be almost possible.
Unfortunately, this thing is only theorized to go around 10% the speed of light.
Which is STILL fast
just not fast enough
Well look at that, you actually managed to read this to the end you huge fucking winner
In the end, I guess we can’t travel at light speed
YET
So don’t give up hope, we’ll get there some time. Just, you know, LONG after you and I are dead.
boo
I know the world isn't too fun to exist in right now, so hopefully I was able to pull you from your mortal hell for just a few minutes.
Take it easy and stay safe out there
Until next time my dudes
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dragonfury101
Thanks for the interesting read
AwwDamn321
“So hang on to your photons and tell physics to go fuck itself” really got me good.
IamNotFunnyNeitherIsMyUserName
asifwewouldbesomeonebetter
beltedmomjeans
"Hang onto your photons and tell physics to go fuck itself" is my new favorite science line. Thank you for this.
deputycartman
Where we're going, we don't need eyes to read about honest attempts to circumvent the light speed barrier. Thanks!
5GFPLaqZ4nAy2QwrqOEI
how will any of these impact causality?
TheCat5001
They all break causality. If you require that physics makes sense (is causal) for all observers, you naturally find FTL impossible.
Prk26
"Unfortunately, Special Relativity doesn't give a fuck" ?
YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodEcologist
"That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law?"
TisIChenoir
Couldn't we possibly use your mom's gravity well positioned in front of the ship to create the necessary acceleration?
dasoffendor
the Alcubierre drive is actually pretty close to how the mechanics of warp drive in Star Trek function
YouWillAllReferToMeByTheNameBetty
OogaOogaMooshka
Oh I laughed til I cried. Perfect.
thequicksilver
Ahhhhh. There it is.
IamNotFunnyNeitherIsMyUserName
Beat me to it. Nice.
harshmell0w
Nice.
GeddyLee2112
Tldr, I'll accept this gif as the only explanation needed.
theimgurappsucksballs
soulsource
Related to the Helical Drive: There's a neat paper on movement by deformation https://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1081406
TheCat5001
Wasn't it shown that the measured thrust was basically the cables interacting with Earth's magnetic field?
soulsource
That was the Cannae Drive iirc. The linked paper isn't about the Helical Drive, btw, but rather about a neat property of curved space-time.
Seethreepeeoh
But can the Kessel run be done in less than 12 parsecs?
Mikotus127001
Break the physics and we can do anything.
KurtHamster
That’s not a thing, though..
handydandy11
Physics is just human understanding and our calculation of objective reality. There are still unknown unknowns. Perception is subjective
KurtHamster
Agreed. It’s just that new understanding improves physics. It doesn’t break it. IMO anyway...
handydandy11
Agreed. I would interpret the original comment as "breaking" a law and not physics as a whole.
xPheNomEnoNx
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
So, turtles all the way down?
icycouture
*my tortoise agrees*
icycouture
*oh wait nvm he just had to poop*
MechKelly
Or we bribe the aliens with free tacos if they teach us the secrets.
handydandy11
But what if we learn first, are the aliens, and get free space tacos
Iaimtomisbehave
Larry Niven's "Known Space".
faroutfelix
Ooooo... good idea!!!
butts4hats
Good read, still hoping to bone aliens
Kenkenny82
What I never understood with FTL travel, is how do we travel faster than any capability of detection. At that speed, a grain of sand 1/2
OphelianAshe
That's why the ships in Star Trek have the glowy deflector dishes on front. They provide a 'bow wave' sorta that moves stuff out the way
EvilEkips
That, and space is so big that even finding a grain of sand would be highly unlikely as most of it is completely empty.
OphelianAshe
https://www.nasa.gov/stem-ed-resources/sfs-micrometeoroids-space-debris.html
Kenkenny82
will have enough energy to blow up half of the ship. And we can't possibly detect everything from here. 2/2
MACWE
What would an impact even look like at that speed? Would the grain of sand just get vaporized? Would is punch a straight grain sized hole?
high2
It would blow a large portion of the ship clean off. For reference, eraser size debris at 15k mph https://i.redd.it/mw4l9zm847i21.jpg
high2
the impact size being that of a grapefruit. Now if you scale the speed up to near-lightspeed or faster, you can scale the Impact even more.
thefeckamisigningupwithfacebook
This is the quality shit post Imgur needs more off.
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MAup
To reach lightspeed we would need infinite amount of energy. It would me more viable bend spacetime to travel than actual propulsion
chrispydtankPS4
Not to mention that lots of places in lightyears are pretty fucking far, so it will still be quite long to certain places. Bending can help
CogYang
i think my favorite would be the half sphere around the sun, pushed by solar radiation, pulled by gravity, slowly accelerating the sun
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
Are you referring to a Dyson Sphere?
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Not FTL.
CogYang
Oh. Right. I got too focused on space zoomies
KurtHamster
That sounds like a fucking terrifying spaceship!!!
tomyironmane
Plowing through planetary systems, freezing or incinerating planets or tearing them apart with tidal forces... a "death star" if you will...
tomyironmane
... though I'm not sure you wouldn't just end up with a titanic solar sail that produced zero stellar acceleration.
tomyironmane
Look up a fusion candle drive for a smaller example on the scale of, say, Jupiter. Watch the turns, she doesn't corner for shit.
Coltaine
Sure, just need a rocket with infinity +1 power and fuel.
Lurker4815162342
Let's not underestimate the amount of fuel. You would need it all, plus some.
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
Infinite power would be required and that just does not exist in the known universe.
Lurker4815162342
Details schmetails. If you get all the needed fuel to me, I'll arrange the power system.
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
When I find that source, I will come to you first. We'll make a fortune!
Lurker4815162342
IHateCakeDays
You just need a way to make power from stupidity, plug it online and voila. Infinite power. Scotty we need more power, throw in flat earth
IHateCakeDays
Captain, ship can’t handle that much, we are already feeding Obama birth facts to it.
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
Oh man, if we could harness power from stupidity the world would be an amazing place! Think of the technological advancements!!
IHateCakeDays
Oh yes, fully automated TV chairs that get you perfectly cooked hod dog just by thinking it, Fox News and 4chan at same time.
cs38dds
#1 Lot of poepel say the Alcubierre requires Two Circles : one in front and one in back
cs38dds
#2 Antimatter engines
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
That's the new more efficient design. The one shown above is the original version, which was later proven to be impossible.
PerthAussieMike
Wow, you put a lot of time and effort into this. Thank you. I believe FTL will be possible but not with existing thinking. We will evolve.
SqueezitTheClown
We need matter/antimatter annihilation drives first. Fuel cost will always be the primary issue with FTL travel.
AlexanderNice
To keep the speed of light you’d need so much energy that it will transform into mass. You’ll end up having infinite mass. So, impossible.
ENCHANTMEN
I'm not really convinced, since there's stuff like causality. Lack of FTL isn't a huge issue of you have longevity, though.
AlphaKenneyBody
46 and 2 just ahead of me
TheUpdootist
We will evolve IF the planet doesn't snuff us out first
KurtHamster
You think AI will play a role?
PerthAussieMike
In some way, yes. Perhaps even, if I dare suggest, a hybrid.
KurtHamster
Like man/machine? Aren’t there a hypothesis out that suggests this as humanity’s only possibility of survival?
PerthAussieMike
A human brain integrated into a 'Robot'. A Cyborg. Yes, the theory has been around for decades, of course.
LordNergal
This has also been suggested as the solution to the problem of batteries: Hybridize biological organisms with technology to act as a 1/
potshot
Depends on what you mean by AI.
KurtHamster
Dunno.. A singularity? Or a digital augmentation of the human intellect? Or something else?
potshot
That's the issue with a question like this, how should anyone have any kind of opinion on it when you can't even define the question?
KurtHamster
It’s an open question. If you think any kind of AI would play a role, be welcome to share. If not, then the answer is no.
PerthAussieMike
There is an SF short story on this. Famous author. Super super computer trying to find the ultimate question. Can't recall it yet though ..
AwesomeName
Will it be distinguishable from just assembling some atoms into a spaceship?
spookyactionatadistance
I don't believe it will but I still believe we have a good chance at colonizing the galaxy. I think with increase life spans and some
spookyactionatadistance
2) biotech we mind individually see the destination of our trip. But even at light speed it takes 100k years to cross the milky way
PerthAussieMike
To paraphrase Arthur C Clarke, 'It will be magic"
MacThunderfart
Thats what i think, too. People thought flight was impossible, being faster than sound, leaving earth, landing a human on the moon....
Dominator497
Yup. Also don't preclude the possibility of achieving. Version of immortality in our lifetimes. That would change a lot.
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
It would change a lot but immortality will not happen in our lifetimes. Our life expectancy may increase but it will not be infinite.
Dominator497
You're more confident than the phd physicist I was talking to yesterday about this. Why do you say so?
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
You just happened to be talking to someone yesterday with a PHD in physics and they just happened to be talking about something not at 1/
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
all related to their field? In the interest of conversation; we cannot cure the most common of diseases/viruses. Until that happens, 2/
PerthAussieMike
Interesting line of thought.
HandyDandySuppressor
Digitizing our consciousness would be a step in the right direction.
PerthAussieMike
We would need to tread with caution. I fear this kind of knowledge would be very bad in the wrong hands
SchrodingersDictator
Most proposals for that mean copying the mind, not actually transferring consciousness. The observer that is you would still die, and a
SchrodingersDictator
different observer would experience a brain like yours but digitized.
whoopiedoo
I recently had a whole argument with a friend about this. He was of the opinion that consciousness is bound to the physical brain (1
whoopiedoo
And can't be transferred at all. I disagree very much with him.
drGrafenberg
But what if you hit something?
ThatSonOfaBitch
In the immortal and sagacious words of Albert Einstein, "Don't."
Miller16of16
Doesn't the possibility make FTL impossible from the get-go, or maybe only possible outside solar systems? Even then...
SwedeOnAnIsland
I saw a show where it was claimed that ships needed a shield that was able to withstand a nuke. Byt one could claim if the spaceships a la
SwedeOnAnIsland
Star Trek was possible they would have a perfect dodge ability
Jijinumerounodriver2
I think that's what the deflector is for in the first place. But I could be wrong.
SwedeOnAnIsland
Deflector?
windsingr
That's exactly what the main deflector dish is for. It's basically a cattle scoop for interstellar debris.
Sarpedan
its also a ram scoop iirc, gathers up space dust to be turned into the matter part of the M/AM reaction and replicator fuel
Jijinumerounodriver2
Then it's gonna be a short trip.
Turbolibros
Do you want an Event Horizon? Because that's how you get an Event Horizon!
nonamejanie
I won’t ever forget the first time I walked through a tunnel like this I nearly vomited.
4Astaroth
Even when you know it's an illusion and tell this to your brain it is still hard to stand or walk.
nonamejanie
Yes! I don’t even get motion sick, but taking 3 steps into that did me in. It’s fascinating how that works!
RoyaIeWithCheese
We'll send in the Doom Slayer first.
AlwaysUpvotesRaul
Rip. And tear.
lividlazan
Until it is done.
hawfwit
Walking across that platform would make you feel drunk. Also quite difficult to do backwards without holding onto the railing. There's a
hawfwit
place in Edinburgh called Camera Obscura that has something almost identical to it, it's pretty cool.
Allusernamesweretaken
Yes so cool
ATATtightropeWalker
The Toronto Science Centre had one a while back too. Super trippy! But just close your eyes and you're fine. Or ripping them out works too!
christ0s
do you see? DO YOU SEE?
4Astaroth
Yes I see. - *starts the detonation*
turkishbutnotnationalist
What is that?
NZSheeps
Trailer: https://youtu.be/OVlnER8SxfQ
HotWheeIs
Scene from Event horizon. Worth a watch
SidneyMajora
A movie you should watch!
obarey
A scene from Event Horizon
4Astaroth
Great movie.
Mephane
Pyroboy85
Jijinumerounodriver2
Liberate vosmet ex inferis
NotGoodConfessionBear
(unspeakable horror) ... "we're leaving"
Nalianna
Save us we are in hell ?
4Astaroth
In the movie I think he says "Liberate tuteme ex inferis."
Jijinumerounodriver2
He does. But it's grammatically incorrect. Liberate is plural, tuteme (a rare term, too) is singular. It should eiter be 1/2
Jijinumerounodriver2
libera temet or liberate vosmet. I chose the latter because he's speaking to everybody and not just one person. German Wikipedia
Jijinumerounodriver2
Save yourself from hell.
Welverein
There is actually a theorie that Event horizon is a prequel of Warhammer universe.
tomyironmane
I thought that was pretty much canonized by Games Workshop.
hyperfell
Explain
Aboutasbad
And in addition to my other comment, it would be completely plausible because that's just the very beginning of warp travel. Other stuff too
TisiphoneDirae
Think about it, it's a flying space cathedral of a ship that takes faster than light shortcuts through hell. It's basically 20k.
Aboutasbad
In event horizon they went through a wormhole without a gellar shield allowing all the horrors of the warp to come in.
WhaaatDa
Shorter version: No.
Wankathon
Il never believe it
irrelevantsentence
shinagami091
No, we can’t travel faster than light? Or no, it’s not impossible? lol I’m j/k I read through it.
gekkepoes
We could find other ways to travel.
sha13
Longer: The post completely misses the relativity part and talks a bunch of b*llocks.
BernerMuntschi
But oh so lovely worded.
Howeeeeeeee
But you didn’t say “tard harnesses”... how do I know you speak the truth?
TheDashingRogue
Guess you'll have to harness your own tard yourself
brambleramble
yeah, this had a ton of condescension in it.
jasari
More accurate short version: today? no, in the future? maybe but possibly no.
Beyonder13
We could always try warp drive, Warhammer 40k version. Safest way to travel.
Unbarring
n3ckr0mantic
Straight to hell!
nicholmikey
Lurker4815162342
I teleported home last night with Ron and Sid and Meg
Ron stole Meggy's heart away and I got Sidney's leg.
myweaknessisstrong
The natives are friendly if a bit bitey.
kalcaitus9000
They REALLY like to smile, so nice!
Avlaen
Safest.... yes..... PRAISE THE EMPEROR
MisterLemons
How bout noooooo
ryo0hki
Waaaarrrrgg!
Hutchy01
For the T'au maybe but only because they just skim the surface of literal hell.
Avlaen
But Tau Warp drives are agonisingly slow, theres a reason there empire is tiny in terms of the galaxy.
Aboutasbad
They skim similar to pressing a ball down in a pool, it doesnt stay submerged and comes back above the surface.
cenfou2tout
Take some
kalcaitus9000
shimmernshine
5 lbs? That's a big bar.
tomyironmane
EXTRA HERETICAL.
TehUberMoo
Event Horizon covered warp traveleithout the Gellar field.
YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodEcologist
...yeah... yeah I'm good.
khazorath
Do you have no faith in the Emperors astronomican?
Jmankjp
Im assuming that is sarcasm because im sure you've read what happens when their warp(Geller) shields fail or when they get lost in the warp?
Avlaen
ITS PERFECTLY SAFE*
ProbablyNotTheDevil
*laughs in WAAAGH!*
JamesJabberwocky
can you hear that weird whoooshing noise as well?
DynamiteBingo
See also the documentary "Event Horizon"
tomyironmane
See also the freighter "Occurence Border"
3lv3n
Bring your children, it's hilarious! On that trip you won't need eyes to experience it all!
unnecessaryweevil
I love Samuel L. Jackson In that movie
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
gheorghiumihai77
They got it from Star Trek.
trashcan63
Sa-ti fie rusine
tomyironmane
gaenaralhonk
It's not really the same kinda warp drive. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warp#40k
FireUpTheCloudCarLando
Pretty sure Starfleet didn't fly through the demon-populated hellscape of a purely psychic realm to achieve FTL. P'tahk.
MyGFMightLikeTitsMoreThanIDo
*filthy p'tahk
tg2222222
Laughs in failed Gellar Field.
ProbablyNotTheDevil
Laughs in WAAAGH!
trashcan63
ProbablyNotTheDevil
Pootisborn
How do Orks FTL anyway?
Hutchy01
Some red ones go REALLY fast
Ardencroft
They run an asteroid into a warp storm and Gork carries them where war needs to happen. Sometimes they take over a hulk and turn off Gellar.
ProbablyNotTheDevil
They build ships that they believe take them through the warp, and they work.
Nolfelix115
Pretty much just the combined hopes and dreams of the whole crew on the ship makes it work
penguinscience101
A lot of these options are probably correct, apparently they can also make mini temporary webways