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A different approach....
Jul 15, 2016 10:13 AM
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A different approach....
itskennay22
I mean there are alot if peaceful protests out there . As well alot of angry rioting back than .
tkcejorp
tkcejorp
fuck123456789
Picking and choosing images
BattloidKouji
ooooh... 2 carefully selected pictures prove an entire point! It's the cherry-picking game!
preaction
It's called Hi-Ho Cherry-O
DreamTeeth
You mean like this? http://georgiapoliticalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Black-Lives-Matter.jpg
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ingloriousimgurist
And that's why MLK ended his life peacefully in his old age
TGWeaver
Yeah, like, MLK Jr. had a huge impact, but saying "you have to do it like this and then we'll take you seriously" misses the story's ending.
BluBoxx
Also missed that MLK DID exactly what BLM is doing now... Blocking freeways, disrupting daily life ... That's what civil disobedience is.
ThreeDimesDown
Keep making excuses for not listening to them and it'll just get worse. The problem is not that their sartorial choices offend your senses.
Macksiiie
Says someone with no knowledge of the ass whoppings, dogs and hoses used on them. And that only the threat violent retaliation was effective
Elcor05
You mean like this? http://imgur.com/Gcl0xg3
hardytardigrade
Now do white people
Cheomesh
Mass shootings. Mass shootings everywhere D:
jbak
Riots after hockey games.
AsABlackMan
That their team won
IvanOnly
Comparing a culture 50 years apart proves a point how?
Mewmus
some people did it with class, other people act like an ass
Taxicat
Proves that a lot of white Americans have a serious nostalgia filter regarding MLK.
CrestFallenWarrior
If only all the black Lives Matter people based their entire movement around your dank memes.
dylan76
It's a matter of conduct. The way they conduct themselves matters. The means are important.
RogueTampon
Better yet, BLM should switch to only protesting using dank memes. It's the only way to effect true change.
RikkordF
The meme magic is real
kootiepatra
These are not the only pictures of either of these movements, and not even close to representative of their entire respective histories.
squip
The top picture is, however, relevant to the approach MLK insisted on, and history proved accomplished a great deal.
Taxicat
And people still made the EXACT SAME complaints about him! Right down to "he's harming his own movement with these marches and 1/
Taxicat
sit-ins and speeches." Seriously, here's the proof with excerpts from surveys done back in the 1960s:
squip
To equivocate here shows you have a very lousy knowledge of history and context.
Taxicat
Do you even know what "equivocate" means?
DopeyFuckedaPenguin
Time to Suit Up!
itsoppositeday
what happened to the dude in the suit?
guywithwifi
Swarley would be proud.
WhatsaNinjaGottaDotogetanUpvote
Have you met Ted?
ZnozWoodlands
PsychopompGecko
http://media.overkillsoftware.com/2014/11/PAYDAY-2_1.jpg
elninjapenguin
It's always time to suit up.
summitshow
Is that an albino black person ?!
Ishouldsleep
But I dont have one. Cant I just wear normal clothes ?
darkhavana0512
jamespqrob
Honey, where is my super suit?
Technophiliac
why do you need it?
dboss7
Samisallama
Damn you beat me to it haha
OneCraftyHooker
Does the one guy have overalls on under his suit jacket?
AssamLaksa
That is some fashion to bring back, I reckon.
coleh01
When you have a protest at 10, but have to be at the farm by 11.
IStewartIKnight
Business casual, farmer edition
OldSchoolNewRules
They're called over-ALLs, Ted.
MeowAllTheTime
Activist by day, carpenter by night.
sometimesicanteven
Hipsters! Man...They aré everywhere
truckdrivershowcase
Yes he does.
KittyLeader
Don't want to get the suit dirty
DosEquisTank
He knew beforehand that he was gonna have to tread through some shit
oldlampsfornew
My question is do you really believe in what you're posting here, or are you simply acting like an idiot?
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
Those are not mutually exclusive things.
poopletsaurus
I'm not sure if my history class ever covered MLK's abbs
saintofchaoticgood
Missed that spelling lesson in English as well?
Moosecock
Clearly they're covered here
devasto
Really? My history teacher was obsessed with them
Subsound
Two random pictures selectively chosen and cropped without context. Wonderful.
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sdfakljaspdfj
imgur isn't the best forum for in depth analysis of any topic. Except pokemon go, dunno how they do it.
FicklePickle13
I think the in-depth Pokemon Go analysis is just bleed over from over a decades' worth of minor to moderate obsession.
Subsound
Nope, but this is even poor by imgurs standardsl
Watchmaker2112
Suit up and be a good little nigga so maybe your masters will pay attention to your oppression. You know, people hated MLK back then too.
Heavymettle
Or maybe you are a cynical twat missing the point and op is saying that problematic mobs and thug mentality are more harm than help.
jasonseagull
There is no "thug" mentality about BLM, that is in of itself a racist stereotype that you are perpetuating.
Heavymettle
"fuck the police", gang signs, violent protest and demands of money for vague reasons is enough thug to state it. The racist card is a weak
Watchmaker2112
No one was cared until they got angry and loud. Then all of a sudden people have an opinion on how to deal with racial oppression.
Heavymettle
argument from people who don't like being told the plain truth. Just call them a racist and magically their statements are irrelevant.
BluBoxx
Literally everything you just described was done by black liberation proponents during the Civil Rights era...
ZVanderberg
This site has gone full blown stormfront.
CreativeSquare
merely saying that rioting is not a good way to protest is now white supremacy?
Taxicat
No, ignoring history, complex social matters, AND implying that ALL modern protesters are rioting is. Along with the attitude of 1/
Taxicat
"if you don't do what we white people tell you to then you're a bad person and your problems don't matter." 2/
Xdeddc
That's the thing about white privilege, it's subtle. I hate how Tumblr uses the concept but its very apparent on Imgur how it skews views.
TGWeaver
This is not a new development by any means. The difference is most folks here don't think they're being racist.
ZVanderberg
Right. Instead we get 500 posts per day about how "the blacks" are the biggest racists.
TGWeaver
Or "If only they would control their own!! If a black man acts up it's because his fellow negroes didn't hold his leash tight enough."
HulkHoganWeComingForYouNiiiigaaaaa
yup i came here to laugh at stupid shit and look at cat&dogs now its turning into facebook
Felman
It's worse than facebook. My facebook has funnies and little bullshit. But imgur, nope. It's the worst facebook ever
ThisMonkeysGoneToHeaven
Oh fuck off. "maybe people would respect your more if you wore a suit". You people will find any reason to avoid the real issue.
ThisMonkeysGoneToHeaven
"Maybe we should treat these people better." "Why? They don't wear suits! Fuck em'!" "Hey, you're right!" *sharpens pitchfork*
Mewmus
wearing a shit that says "fuck da police" doesn't really help
shimmernshine
What do you mean, 'you people'?
spaghettiThunderbolt
Maybe people would respect BLM more if they protested peacefully. Oh, and protested issues that are actually problems.
AsABlackMan
The people that are paid to protect us doing the opposite isn't a real problem?
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
Pray tell, what are "actual" black problems? Nice to see you agree that they exist, now share your knowledge.
spaghettiThunderbolt
Poverty, segregation, high crime rates, violence. Getting shot by the police is not a black problem. Racism is not a black problem.
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
What about evidence of police dept.'s giving orders to profile black people and/or men? Like in the case with the NYPD officer?
spaghettiThunderbolt
Probably because a majority of criminals are black? Racial profiling is morally gray, but it tends to work.
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
So white people experience just as much racism as black people nowadays?
spaghettiThunderbolt
BLM is a solid example of racism against whites. It's become wrapped up in creating a racial divide rather than fixing problems.
spaghettiThunderbolt
And racism is not a uniquely black problem. Whites are subject to racism. Hispanics are subject to racism. Asians are subject to racism.
TheSexiestRaccoonEver
Check out the speech on racial profiling & injustices given by Tim Scott, the black Republican Senator.
squiddna
The difference is primarily that black people are more free to raise their voices than in the 60's.
squiddna
Even peaceful protesters in the 60's were rounded up and murdered.
spaghettiThunderbolt
And instead of peacefully protesting, they hijack events, block highways, and commit otherwise obstructive and violent acts (Ferguson riot).
jasonseagull
Why are you telling people being murdered extra judicially to peacefully protest their treatment in a system that is rigged against them?
spaghettiThunderbolt
Damn, some black man got shot by a white cop. Many more black men get shot by black men. Focus on the real problem.
turdferguson7151
I don't think you realize how violent protests got in the 60's. Everything we learned about peaceful protests in school only covers part of
turdferguson7151
Of the story
kiddub
Right that's why people blocking highways in the 60s and now are being arrested and vilified for bringing awareness to their issues.
youcantproveit
"vilified" It's a criminal act, and if you're blocking EMT from duty, it's a felony. Pick your battles carefully, technicalities are a bitch
kiddub
Protest the way we tell you to and maybe we will pay attention. Sounds reasonable and effective. Celebrate MLK after he's dead for doing
kiddub
things we now say no one should ever do again.
demonjester1515
People blocking highways should be arrested. Period. I don't care what you're protesting, that's flat out against the common good.
AssBall
That's the whole point. It's called civil disobedience. Because standing on the sidewalk won't do shit
demonjester1515
There are plenty of forms of effective civil disobedience that don't block emergency services and critical transit. Pick another one.
kiddub
We need more protests for the status quo. "Status Quo, Status Quo, Hell no, We won't Go"
demonjester1515
Has nothing to do with the cause itself. Blocking highways prevents emergency services and critical transit.
TestAccount321
Good GOD. Imgur's seething hatred for black people only matched by it's sheer ignorance. I have never see a bigger collection of stupid
HighlySexualLobster
It wouldn't be the first time a white supremacy group astroturfs in an attempt to control the conversation to their benefit.
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
Imgur will make a thousand "joke so dark" posts, but the second you make a joke about white people the top comment is 'WELL ACTUALLY...'
HulkHoganWeComingForYouNiiiigaaaaa
check usersub even worst
KrustyPartiallyGelatinatedNonDairyGumBasedBeverage
Holy shit man you summed up my recent frustration with comments on here completely. It's fucking appalling
thebeardedladiesclub
The ignorance and condescension just bowls me over. Seriously.
beshi
It's easy to fall prey to the media's rhetoric, but statistically black people kill EACH OTHER exponentially more often than the police do
jbak
White people kill each other more than the Police as well... completely different issue.
beshi
So do Hispanics, Asians, and every other race, and they aren't destroying their own neighborhoods and driving businesses and jobs away
beshi
There is nothing stopping the fathers from returning to those neighborhoods now to support their family and help rebuild their community...
jbak
Still deflecting. Drugs originally planted by CIA destroyed the neighborhoods. War on drugs took away fathers. Gangs became new family.
beshi
There is nothing stopping the fathers from returning to those neighborhoods now to support their family and help rebuild their community...
Kierbear2g
imgur hates black people, women, trans people, although they seem tolerant for the most part of gay people.
TestAccount321
fucks that don't know ANYTHING about Black People or Black History, but day in and day out, there will be a puffin about why the Negros
TestAccount321
should act like this, and how they should act like that, and hey look! A black person who hates other black people, our new hero!
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Kamasu0Tra
And despite the bitching you hear, that has always been the case. We pick on those that make themselves the biggest targets.
nole
It's the world biggest "white people are the real victims" circle jerk party
IrrelevantGILF
Ok we don't take kindly to being called out round these parts.
TestAccount321
It's terrifying! THis endless hatred! This wealth of ignorance! You people go out in the world and discuss blacks like animals that are
TestAccount321
"angry about nothing" and show you don't even have basic knowledge of the Civil Rights Movement! You people will decide on policies and
TestAccount321
laws that will effect others, and it's all from this abyss of ignorance and racism!
ThisIsAJoJoReference
I wouldn't go that far, but there's definite close mindedness to BLM from imgur and it's really frustrating
TestAccount321
Tell me another fairytale, grand-mama. There's loads of racism aimed at black people here.
Textuality
My particular closed-mindedness to BLM stems from all the stupid shit they pull. Acting like screaming children will make me ignore them.
ThisIsAJoJoReference
It's a vocal minority of people putting this shit, there's peaceful protests all the time but people tend to focus on the worst of a group
Mirawatts
To be fair, hating BLM does not mean you hate blacks. Just like how hating 3rd wave feminism doesn't mean you hate women.
thebeardedladiesclub
Except BLM has nothing to do with this post. It's a circle jerk fest of "Stop being bad, black people".
MarvaNipp
Yeah you seem like a really tolerant and accepting dude
Mirawatts
Why? Because I dislike when a group gets together and chants about wanting a specific group of people (such as cops) dead?
TestAccount321
BLACK PEOPLE ARE STUPID. BLACK PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT CRIMINALS. Day in, and day out on this horseshit racist shitden. ENDLESSSLY
GRIZtheninja
Nice try.
TestAccount321
Ah, shut the hell u.
GRIZtheninja
Okay I will right after this reply
RazeNorris
EXACTLY. F*ck Imgur....worth nothing more than to use it as a free img host, because the "community" is racist as hell & doesnt even know it
AsABlackMan
They know it they just don't care
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
I think this is more of a protest against BLM who crashed a memorial to talk down white people, or stopped that parade out in Toronto.
kiddub
They stopped the protest intoronto because pride is a corporate love in for gay white men. Other ethnicities are being pushed out.
thebeardedladiesclub
No it's not. It happens DAILY now: assholes telling blacks their lives are fine, they just need to stop being so violent and criminal
kiddub
They also protested the memorial because the police have ignored this community and the black community and want to pretend a temp mural
kiddub
Will rectify a history of ignorance , apathy and violence.
Ellarial
Calm, reason and dialogue are always a better approach than yelling. But doing that wouldn't fit the narrative, you see.
Angaram
Sad thing is, nobody will hear you because they're all yelling.
miados
violence can remove an obstacle. discussion and planning is required to solve a problem.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Social movement theory suggests you need multiple approaches. Yes, reason and Dooley, but arguably also violence. MLK and Malcolm-X.
jasonseagull
THANK YOU. Malcolm made MLK look like a more tolerable form of black empowerment to elitist whites and they gained traction because of it.
TestAccount321
Get FUCKED! You have no fucking clue or concept of how the Civil Rights Movement actually went down!
beshi
My parents were there. I have seen the amazing pictures they took of people of different races walking PEACEFULLY side by side in protest
kiddub
BLM protests are peaceful until they are told to go home and to stop protesting and the tear gas comes out.
kiddub
Funny that people are complaining about blocking highways again when this was a key tactic of the civil rights movement.
youcantproveit
Keep having unlawful protests and blockades, keep going to jail. I'd respect the movement if they were at PD's or Capital bldg, not i70.
kiddub
To be fair they were at PDs until the police chase them away dressed like a patrol in Fallujah.
ButtWeightTheirSmores
Most marches back in the day had permits from judges allowing protests on public roads. I doubt highway protesters had similar permissions.
kiddub
http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_selma_to_montgomery_march/
kiddub
Meh, the permits came once everything was out of control. The marches started without permit:
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crookedrook
Either bargain or put down the mob.
Textuality
I'd argue it's the other way around. Screaming and yelling? Immediately tuned out. You don't get effective change by acting like a twat.
jasonseagull
I can tell you have never in your life had to protest something you believe in because you've never truly wanted for equality in any way.
Textuality
Gosh, tell me more about my own life that you know nothing about, mister man.
jameretief
Then why did it work? The Civil Rights movement was quite successful, in spite of violence and not because of it.
AnnieBahde
Because you had videos of the peaceful protestors being beaten, hosed, dogs put on them and it shocked the nation. Videos of people being
MyFavoritesIsAllComics
Because they had the million man march. Enough peaceful people at that time at least, made some difference
jasonseagull
Oh honey...
crookedrook
The civil rights movement and the blm are not comparable in my book.
OrwellWhatever
There was a _ton_ of violence in the 60s. They just don't cover it in school for obvious reasons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots
Saberslayer1738
Thank you for pointing that out, people seem to forget that it was also violent in the 60's
jameretief
There was, but the peaceful protests happened with the protesters being peaceful. Two distinct movements, it could be said.
AnnieBahde
tased, shot, beaten, thrown to the ground doesn'bt seem to shock us to demand the kind of action people want so enter BLM.
jameretief
The violence on film of peaceful protesters was shocking because they were peaceful. BLM is not very peaceful.
AnnieBahde
King was accused of provoking violence. The marcher's were accused of violating laws, not following police orders, inciting riots.
AnnieBahde
Not condoning violence, but to pretend it came out of a vacuum is foolish and does nothing to address the issues.
AnnieBahde
legal consequences. When people notice the system fails to regulate/hold accountable those guilty, people will start to get pissed/act out.
AnnieBahde
Also my original point wasn't about BLM, it was about all the videos we see of people getting shot/beaten/tased that do not result in any
AnnieBahde
There were a lot of even liberal leaders who criticized King for being too disruptive, to aggressive and driving people to violence.
spankatorium
"Calm and reason is also fantastically easy to ignore." .. Yes, calm and reasonable people like Rosa Parks and Ghandi were ineffective. :/
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spankatorium
Rosa Parks was already an NAACP member; her calm demeanor and civil disobedience were one of the catalysts needed to trigger rational change
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spankatorium
Yes, by being calm and non-violent. My point exactly.
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TestAccount321
How fucking DARE you suggest that "Well, it was because they put on suits and acted right!" is all that the struggles for basic human rights
TestAccount321
took! There were riots. There was fighting. People protesting in the ways you suggested got attacked anyway.
AsABlackMan
We already tried that first approach and if it worked we wouldn't be having this conversation
HighlySexualLobster
You know what i do sometimes before i argue with some muppet pushing canned crypto racist soundbites. I look at their replies, worst first.
AsABlackMan
You know this is probably a good idea that way I can rationally decide whether or not to lose my shit +1
HighlySexualLobster
Recently you see regurgitated shit from conservative and whitepower blogs. Stupid shallow points, that take time and effort to counter. 1/2
HighlySexualLobster
Few people bother with neg comments, so your response only gets to the original chucklehead, who is either a troll, or dgaf. 2/2
notDylanOBrien
Has the situation not improved since MLK?
beshi
Nope... Obama is really white and Oprah just poses beside old white men's houses
AsABlackMan
Not by much people are just quieter about their racism
squip
Such as the fact that recognizing there's more to be done at the same time.
beshi
I disagree seeing as how there is a black president now. The racism flows from BOTH sides of the aisle, I am in DC and see it every day
AsABlackMan
You don't understand how the election process works do you? Don't give me the black president argument because you aren't prepared for this.
squip
Oh bullshit. It's improved a LOT, and ANY objective assessment of it proves that. Some of us are capable of more than one thought at once.
AsABlackMan
So no it hasn't improved much except the fact that we aren't segregated directly by signs.
squip
Civil Rights, voting rights, much greater public acknowledgement, equal under the law, etc. I could go on. It's improved a lot.
AsABlackMan
Lack of government support for places that are largely African American populated. Flint still doesn't have clean water nor does Detroit
squip
that racism is the cause when it's so much more complicated than that. This isn't to doubt racism is a problem.
squip
Isn't Flint mostly white though? To claim a problem is due to racism you have to provide the evidence. You can't just say
AsABlackMan
We're still being killed. There's still systemic racism, there's still income and hiring inequality, disproportionate education opportunity
squip
All races are being killed. It's not only black people, but they're the ones getting the media attention for ratings disproportionately.
AsABlackMan
Gentrification of out neighborhoods, businesses, schools, that won't let us back in when we can't afford to stay
squip
Yeah that fucking sucks. You end up getting forced to sell property at a shit price, and all the money is made by the developers.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
You seem to miss how there are people in BLM who look like the above and many during the Civil Rights era who looked like the below image.
CheesyChinchilla
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doneitall
No, you are wrong about that. About then and about now now. I was there then and am here now.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Your post is unclear.
phlat6
Also, let's lecture people on how they should be protesting. Because that's a thing that people do and that works well.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Agreed. One of the wonderful aspects that can be and is included in liberal arts education.
MostOfImgurGenerallyPissesMeOff
You seem to miss how the civil rights era wasn't based off lies from the media.
elfowl
I love how the post said literaly nothing about BLM yet it's probably still a safe assumption
hoffbox
The BLM rep on the radio the other day was calm, insightful, articulate - and appreciative of the police. How 'bout that.
FilthyRedmond
Then how come BLM isn't working? Like, at all.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
And how do you know it isn't working? Frequently we don't know what were the most impactful events until years later. History at work.
amahler
media and giving in to sensationalism is an epidemic
chesterthegreat
Yeah, and people said the same things about protestors from that era too.
Khrye
Unpopular opinion, but BLM is fighting the wrong fight. Low proportion of those affected by bad policing v economic woes.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
BLM is fighting both of those fights, and more.
rsahadi
BLM seeks to condem before they even know the facts.
Bombarder89
I think the point here is that the idiots depicted below never have and never will make a difference while the ones above did.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Untrue, historically speaking.
wordoow
The founders of BLM want to defund the police and give the money to poor black people. Think about that for a second.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Not just BLM. There are many strong arguments from various groups that argue for complete police restructuring or outright abolishment.
Burstapples
I think his point is that MLK jr. Helped change things from a professional approach, where as the fellows in the bottom picture 1/2
BluBoxx
MLK was present at riots, and led protestors to block freeways and just about everything white people are decrying about BLM
hoffbox
I might give OP the benefit of the doubt there, but I think most often it isn't like that.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
No, OP's point is to discredit a movement via respectability politics. A common tool used against protesters (particularly Black ones).
Heavymettle
and your argument is just the opposite side. You're dismissing all negativity and excusing the problem makers by blaming generalizations.
prufock
Perhaps he is discrediting the worst members of the movement.
somellama
does it suck always seeing the worst in every behavior?
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
I wouldn't know, though I'd imagine yes. Ask OP.
Burstapples
Man we are getting down voted for being optimistic against pessimism... Glad nobody listens to the media! Sike...
somellama
doesn't it*
Burstapples
You're one of "those people" aren't you... Negative nancy... We all want change, but violence is not the answer in MOST cases
homicidalslayer
That's the point. MOST BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTERS AREN'T VIOLENT.
YamatoIouko
Which is why five officers died in Dallas last week.
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Burstapples
I honestly dont know how you thought i was talking about police shooting people in my comment, i get it, thats what BLM is about, but 1/2
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Are Negative Nancies "those people" to which you refer? And like I mentioned on my other response, often times, violence IS needed.
theycallmehiphopapotomus
I'm with you. The dirty little secret about violence is, it works.
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
Did you just tactfully give a thumbs up to the protesters looting, destroying businesses, property and hurting/killing cops?
Burstapples
Yeah, i was half trolling, its really hard to express emotion without fluctuation of voice lol
Burstapples
Are taking less of a professional approach expecting the same outcome... Sure people did that back then, but their names aren't taught
Tonberryc
I'm amazed at how quickly imgurians can fuck up basic life lessons. The image shows why extremist methods don't work by citing an example.
Tonberryc
It isn't a generalization of all BLM members. Stop pretending that every single quote, phrase, and image needs to be an academic paper.
BluBoxx
Except it's wrong. MLK actively led protestors to block freeways and disrupt commutes and daily life (aka. Civil Disobedience)
packardcaribien
Malcom X's name is most definitely... and most unfortunately.. taught in almost all of our public schools.
riften
But as a warning, not as an example or model.
packardcaribien
Except, you know, that schools are named in his honor... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X_Shabazz_High_School
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Sure. But, arguably, you need both approaches. "Professional" approaches are often ignored without the coinciding violence, sadly.
DontBlameMeIVotedForRonSwanson
Untrue, Malcom X and the like hated MLK and how he approached it. Violence should always be a last resort. We're not at the last resort yet
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Your comment is confusing. What is untrue and what does Malcolm-X not liking MLK have to do with using violence as a last resort?
Burstapples
I totally agree, people make very radical decisions that discredit their own cause though...
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Sure. Which is why you need more than violence. And I would only attributed actions sanctioned/lead by leadership of BLM to the movement.
Penguinsruletheworld
Makes both just as wrong. But MLK was their leader. Who is BLM's Leader and what do they do to as examples of how to fight for their right
Taxicat
"2. It’s a leaderless movement. The Black Lives Matter movement is a leaderfull movement. Many Americans of all races are enamored 1/
Taxicat
" with Martin Luther King as a symbol of leadership and what real movements look like. But the Movement for Black Lives, 2/
Taxicat
"another name for the BLM movement, recognizes many flaws with this model. First, focusing on heterosexual, 3/
Taxicat
" cisgender black men frequently causes us not to see the significant amount of labor and thought leadership that black women provide to 4/
Silhouetto
To parrrrrrrrrrttaaaaaaaay!!!
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
MLK was A leader. Many people lead.
Taxicat
See #2: http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/
Penguinsruletheworld
Yet leaderless movements can be rife with issues in themselves. ANd frankly that quote about Cisgender black man is a fucking insult.
Taxicat
I see logic has no effect on you.
Penguinsruletheworld
I'm quite done with that movement if that bullshit SJW logic and terminology is used in their description. It's a bullshit farce now.
Taxicat
Well, there goes any possibility of a mature rational conversation!
Penguinsruletheworld
That went out the window when you quoted the wesbite and they threw out any possibility of a mature rational conversation.
BattloidKouji
OMG THEY USE WORDS I DON'T LIKE! you sound suspiciously like a SJW.
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MrtheOffender
I would guess that it's probably closer to 50/50, i've encountered some people that BLM would be ashamed of, but more numerous good ppl
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Care to cite those numbers?
applerazmataz
Whoa, a cherry picking fallacy? No Way!
Ashpashsmash
Never on imgur!! I don't believe it for a second
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
Seems par for the course when an entire movement is based on a strawman fallacy that society doesn't think black lives matter.
Talonotw
If BLM had a point, they wouldn't be getting national attention.
damspam
It's almost like OP didn't draw these conclusions from objective inquiry and instead has some sort of agenda!
Furiou5
There are no groups like the SNCC. While I agree that the post is cherry picking to even suggest that the movements are similar is just(1)
Furiou5
just as disingenuous. The work the SNCC did was invaluable in showing moderate people that something needed to be done immediately.(2)
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Utgart
Glad you want to help. So I'll see you volunteering and helping organize then? Looking forward to it. Do you need resources?
rumandbass
Don't believe the media when all they do is show pictures of the thugs.
NamraG
Dude please there is a majority of peaceful protestors stop trying to make it sound otherwise
Heavymettle
BLM is disjointed and lacking leadership. That means the sporadic groups are going to act very differently. Majority thus far ain't great.
Heavymettle
I'd also argue that the bottom would be a much smaller selection of the top, on account of how the law could react at that time but idk.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Please, cite the numbers.
Heavymettle
Cite the numbers on lack of leadership?
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
You said "the majority ain't great". I presume you meant the majority of the members of BLM. If so, you must have numbers to back that claim
ItsUncleSam
MLKj never praised violence, and his followers did not partake in violence. It was Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam who wanted violence.
scaredplatypus
Sure but MLK was also very understanding of the root of violence and riots being the nature expression of frustration from injustice
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Right. And it took both to be successful.
ItsUncleSam
Actually, Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam because he understood that violence wasn't going to change anything.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
of the Nation of Islam is irrelevant. 2/2
ItsUncleSam
His opinion is relevant. He saw that what MLK was doing worked and that he wouldn't get anywhere with violence.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
He left because they became too violent, corrupt, and were unethical in his eyes, not b/c violence doesn't work. Either way, his opinion 1/
disneydude88
Great Revolutions are led by the greatest of people. I wonder If MLK were here today if he could rally these people into a better tomorrow
TheMediocreThor
Remember the Boondocks episode where MLK wakes up? I imagine it'd go down similar to that
CommonSpence
*Us
Inkdaddy66
There's a right way and a wrong way to do everything.
AManHasNoShame
You can thank our government for eliminating someone commited to nonviolent protest.
orangemarmaladesky
http://imgur.com/xNzHEu3
fearandloathebananas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E
Helirapetor
The revolution is long since over. It's up to the people no to capitalize on opportunity.
ch3s3ham
He'd be on an island hanging with Tupac laughing at the U.S.
manonthemountain
MLK was really struggling at the end with a lot. Poor People's movement and Vietnam. He was moving onto the systemic issues.Harder to tackle
SirFormidio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E Here you go.
Fairdinkums
Probably not
PitbullsPublicist
don't worry Jessie Jackson and Sharpton are stil here to lead the blacks to liberty and justus for all.
beshi
Only if it increases their wealth... Why aren't they in the places where people get killed daily trying to save or change more young lives?
PitbullsPublicist
they might get shot ^^
jadespider
http://imgur.com/9gIPHqp
cherdy
You are mistaken if you think blm is a revolution it is at most a violent spotlight on police interactions
isthatgoodicanttell
You are mistaken if you think he said that
TheCoolestOfBeans
You really don't know what BLM is do you?
DanielLock
But is the difference that BLM doesn't have an MLK as a figurehead?
GeraldsNinjaStar
MLK is just popular. He was NOT the only leader for civil rights.
Heavymettle
MLK is popular and THE biggest influence because he had the best method. Even Malcom X converted to MLK's methods.
Uberche
Different style. Blm is more the black panthers than mlk. Most revolutions need both.
Heavymettle
It is not like that. It is a random assortment of groups harassing people without guidance. Even the BP had a leader. BLM is a mess.
GeraldsNinjaStar
No it's not.
MindTheBeard
The difference is that there doesn't need to be a BLM. An MLK hasn't risen yet because only the ignorant see a need for change.
BillyBaloney976
Lol 'ignorant'? I have generations of police in my family. If you think only BLM needs changing you are woefully ill-informed.
PrivateSectorSexPenguin
Acknowledge me and my responses goddamnit
MindTheBeard
Lol. I see a need for change, but BLM is not it at all. Something needs to be dine, but the focuses around the country are shit.
PrivateSectorSexPenguin
Rotting infrastructure, dependence on foreign oil for energy, outlandishly expensive healthcare, a failing public school system
MorganFreemanIsGod
Wow that last sentence was so retarded I can't believe it. You don't see a need for change? You should look harder and in not 1/2
MorganFreemanIsGod
Talking about blm I mean a change in the nation as a whole
PrivateSectorSexPenguin
The war on drugs, the prison-industrial complex, super PACs and anonymous unlimited financial support of 'elected' officials...
Inthewayandout
Ignorant person here, what's wrong with our prisons?
Damnenginelight
I guess you haven't seen that episode from The Boondocks?
Gasass
It's nice to dream
bloatyOs
Makes me wonder what Huey's reaction would be. Probably mixed like my own.
BadamWarlock
I wish it were still on. I always felt like it could be an important show, and it feels that way now more than ever. If only it had 1/2
BadamWarlock
ended up on a more prominent network/time than Adult Swim. FX would have been a good home.
bloatyOs
Yes it was canceled way before it's time
ThatGuyWhoThinksEveryoneIsAPineapple
That's the only scene I've seen from the Boondocks!
Monkofthepast
It's entertaining. You should give it a shot.
DenounceAll
I was just going there lol
SomeGrayFox
As a white male, I really wish he were still alive.
Saprophyte2
MLK was killed. If there was a central leader to this, he could be killed too. A movement is harder to stop than a man
pintDMG
Which, incidentally, is precisely why ISIS, Boko Haram, the Taliban and alQaeda are still around.
lanceconstablebluejohn
Yup and every government, library, school, company... basically everything thats lasted more than 80 years
IceBankMiceElf69
It doesn't matter what your skin colour is, MLK was a voice of reason and leadership among a lot of angry people. He was important.
kiddub
MLK would be here today if he hadn't been assassinated by a white supremacist, robbing all of us of his leadership, and leading us here.
crookedrook
No one can say that for sure.
SirFormidio
Didn't the man who kill him just want to be famous?
Dewfire
The smoking man did it, haven't you seen the X-Files?
MostlyAngryButNiceAboutIt
RIP
sleddingnakeddownahillbackwardsintoadildonailedtoatree
And anyone with reduced skin pigmentation is responsible for pulling the trigger right?
kiddub
No, but it lead to greater distrust and was never healed. Leadership was removed, people told to move on now that they have rights.
kiddub
Also funny that the guy who killed mlk sponsored a racist presidential candidate and we're there again in our current political contest.
sleddingnakeddownahillbackwardsintoadildonailedtoatree
Awww so cute with your little left wing talking points. Can't wait to here which "-ist" I am.
SarcasticComment
Unpopular Opinion: MLK would be less revered if he were alive today. His death ended his career at its highest point, not decades later
Xdeddc
That's not true. MLK was widely unpopular by the time he died because he was fighting on behalf of labor unions.
Monkofthepast
NO, more like a statement of fact. That is a classic way to be relevant 40 yrs later. Martyrism.
SarcasticComment
if he wasn't assassinated, he would have to spend decades sitting quietly sidelines like Rosa Parks to be venerated.
SarcasticComment
not that I'm ridiculing the work of Rosa Parks, but she retired from the Civil Rights movement in the 70s to focus on family/philantrophy
SarcasticComment
Think of Gandhi's legacy. It would have been tarnished if he was participated in the ruling party after the India/Pakistan split
Monkofthepast
Ghandi had his own problems that bother the fuck out of me. Him and Mama T
SarcasticComment
yup. But the public tends to ignore the downside to both individuals due to their "modern saint" status
SarcasticComment
agreed. In the following 40 years there would have likely been some kind of controversy keeping him from "modern saint" popculture status
Monkofthepast
Even what little controversies there were could be forgotten. See: JFK. http://www.snopes.com/history/american/mlking.asp for a short versio
SarcasticComment
the main difference between JFK and King is that one was a mainstream president and the other was seen as a social radical
SarcasticComment
stigma tends to stick to people who live a life fighting for change where as Martyrism tends to erase all of the controversy
doomos
I remind you, the descent guy was murdered
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IdiotMcNoobtard
Maybe he wasn't asking politely enough?
TGWeaver
See, what BLM REALLY needs is some white people to tell them how to do it in a polite and respectful way that's not too uppity.
dylan76
What does that mean?
NeverGonnaVoteYouUpNeverGonnaVoteYouDown
And essentially became a saint. A worthy cause to die for.
kiddub
People lost their leader and were told to get over it because they were given rights.
bohemiancrabcity
They weren't told to get over it. His memorial is a national holiday, and his words have become even more highlighted for their importance.
kiddub
He's a martyr and a villain depending on your outlook. Memorial Day is a national holiday that people drink a 24 to celebrate. Means shit.
bohemiancrabcity
Memorial day is used like that by people who don't care. Just because you don't give a shit doesn't mean everyone doesnt.
kiddub
"You got a day, what's your problem? You even have a whole month now!"
bohemiancrabcity
Better than murdering him and squashing his words. There are a lot of people who remember him, his message, and his cause.
TurtleOnTheRocks
So was Malcolm X, and his tactics were a bit less kosher
Heavymettle
HE had converted to MLK's thought process by that point.
rugbyboss99
He was murdered after he left the nation of islam and amended his ways to coexistence with whites and peaceful protest. Many speculate
rugbyboss99
That he was murdered by the nation of islam, because of his former organizatinal role with them.
ArcaneConjecture
More than speculation, Louis Farrakhan has admitted that NOI created the conditions (aka "stochastic terrorism") for his killing.
rugbyboss99
I believe he was assassinated by the nation of islam, but some believe it to be hersey such as suge knight killing eazy e.