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ToastedVanilla
Going after trends and fads is also a human trait. This will also disappear eventually.
TeardropIvy25
THANK YOU!!!
fadingtheory
The wide spread usage of flour that produces enough gluten to become a life threatening problem is actually fairly recent.
checksandbalancesplease
This is the world trying to rid itself of the weak.
TeeFour
Back in my day, people just got sick all the time when the local gods commanded it. Now they're blaming it on "science"
mizmoose
A lot of (true) allergies weren't known to exist for a long, long time. Discovery of Crohn's is relatively recent.
prestodigitation
Tsuzzi
"They just don't make it like they used to" is literally accurate here.
muscletank
you can become allergic to any food over time. just because you dont break out in hives does not mean youre not allergic. gas...
muscletank
bloating and other issues of the like are good signs of incompatibility
MamaKin
Just be happy you aren't gluten intolerant and enjoy eating any bread you want.
bandashee
absolutely sweet and loving to asshole with a kill complex in an hour after eating any gluten. severe reaction. witnessed it. not fun.
Awmph
bread is older than wheat
cptunderpants
Non-gluten wheat sensitivity is a thing. http://mentalfloss.com/article/87511/scientists-find-non-gluten-cause-wheat-sensitivity
misanthropicnerd
Bring back natural selection!
SchrodinergsSpy
Natural selection is still around. They are just called "accidents".
UpVoteAllDogs
Are you pixel allergic?
GameOfLiesAndDeath
Think of allergies like your tastebuds. After a few years, they change on you and BAM! You hate all plants in spring/fall
waytoocreamy
I know what allergies are bro.
EgregiousCodswallop
If space has always surrounded Earth, why didn't the Egyptians go there too?
beaneball33
Outside of coeliac, there is no gluten allergy
ariafiresong
Really, though, when you can't have something, it's easier to say allergy cause people know what that word means.
Glumerlink
These intolerances have always existed, it's just only now when it happens we have alternatives instead of praying for them to stop dying.
awholelotofnothin
Unproven theory. Maybe intestinal difficulties caused by bread/yeast/etc. are the result of antibiotics wiping out good digestive bacteria.
Corona688
They've had some good results with giving people with IBS probiotics.
thatsandichic
I'm allergic to wheat, barley, most grains really as well as corn, rice & potatoes. I end up with stomach spasms if I eat of those (1/2)
thatsandichic
(2/2) foods. I'm also allergic to brewer's & baker's yeast. Some of my food allergies didn't show up until after I had my kids.
Corona688
Allergies, I buy, not "this book told me they spliced enzymes that make us feel hungry into wheat on purpose". Hipster nonsense exists.
BJA007
Thanks Obama
thundagunned
more like blow-bama!
NoGoodNick
http://www.fpusadailyplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/3623026-the+superior+foes+of+spider-man+008+2014+digital+darkness-empire+004.jpg
WhoShotBambi
Maybe it's super complex carbohydrates that mass produced bread has to speed up the baking process all to increase profits. B.T.N.of M.B.
ScoutTheRoleplayer
It's not been 30,000 years since we've had bread. Way more recent.
waytoocreamy
It's called dramatization for a joke.
ScoutTheRoleplayer
I know, I just love ruining jokes.
Flopolopagus
Hey, some if us just get unlucky. Take myself, who had some intestines removed and suddeny eating wheat feels like digesting lit fireworks.
PookyButt
See this is why I usually keep all my intestines
Flopolopagus
So that's what I'm doing wrong! I will have to ask for them back, then.
goodguyC
That does indeed sound unlucky.
waytoocreamy
Yeah, but we aren't all missing intestines. That's a unique case
Flopolopagus
It is, but this phase has been wonderful for me!
dandelionwino
My husband can't eat gluten after a near death causing food poisoning. My questions to you is: why do you care what people eat?
CapSiskoismyhero
Celiac disease is a very serious condition. A friend almost died from it before he was diagnosed.
waytoocreamy
Celiac is legitimate, people whining about their mystical cure alls is not
CapSiskoismyhero
If someone stops eating gluten and they feel better ... more power to them. They shouldn't be ridiculed.
Marlboro45Man
1/ Minority opinion here, gluten levels in a loaf of bread have increased significantly since we have been able to grow more calorific
HandsomeJackBlack
Different strain of wheat
theycallmebirb
1. Thank you for this. I normally scroll past these posts because I get frustrated. We 100% have modified most food products in the US
hild
This is actually true for a number of people who have gluten sensitivity (not celiac's). Many can eat bread in Europe just fine because 1/
hild
2/ they use a different variety of wheat than we do here in America -- not as much gluten with a different composition. Not all, however.
theycallmebirb
2. And that is partly why people are developing intolerances to certain foods that "have been around forever". As a health specialist ...
Cuntard
citation requested
Marlboro45Man
When I re-find the actual academic study I will link it, right now all I'm finding is some stupid hipster health crap with no data
narbsauce
Thank you sir. Doing gods work for all the celiac peeps out there.
hild
Celiac and non-celiac, but gluten-sensitive people (may have trouble digesting or experience higher levels of inflammation).
juantiaspice
It's the overly processed and bleached flour. It's causing more people to be wheat intolerant, mimicking a gluten allergy
Cuntard
define processed. then explain the mechanism by which it affects immunology
juantiaspice
No and no. It's imgur; I'm not trying to explain myself in 140 words. Learned this in undergrad bio. Look it up yourself
Cuntard
You made a claim, it is up to you to provide evidence supporting it. Or just admit that it's bullshit and retract it and move on
juantiaspice
It's a fucking meme website, not a college debate. I couldn't care less about your opinion
redredgreengreen
Or at the very least, a source to a halfway credible source of information.
theycallmebirb
3. Living with 2 nutritional therapy practitioners- I am a huge proponent of organic and locally sourced foods. It's great for bodies and ..
theycallmebirb
4. Helps support the local community
theycallmebirb
5. I just realized how jumbled my numbering came out. I've been studying for my a huge masters final today. My bad.
theycallmehiphopapotomus
The only problem is, organic ISN'T better for bodies, that's patently wrong. Nor better for the planet. It's good for marketing tho.
theycallmebirb
And it's better for the community because I am aiding in sustaining local farmers/farm workers and their families (local and fair trade)
theycallmehiphopapotomus
But not the local farmers who are farming conventionally.
theycallmebirb
I will take fruits and veggies that I have grown without chemical fertilizers and insecticides ANY day of the week :)
theycallmehiphopapotomus
Thats, um, great for you, but it doesn't change the fact that "organic is better for you" is bollocks.
SherMattLockSmith
[citation needed] I really don't think gluten levels have risen that much... Bread would change a LOT with higher gluten levels.
SherMattLockSmith
Different flours used for different goods have very very specific gluten contents in them, and have been made that way for centuries. 1.2
SherMattLockSmith
2/2 so the "higher gluten content" argument holds no water.
eldorel
google "dwarf wheat". there's a big difference between the wheat grown for the last 2800 years, and what we're growing now.
SherMattLockSmith
I'm not arguing that there isn't a difference, what I am saying is that for centuries now we have had what one would consider modern 1/2
SherMattLockSmith
2/2 wheat, and that simple higher gluten content would not account for the sudden surge in "gluten sensitivity" in modern times.
eldorel
No. Dwarf wheat strains are MASSIVELY different, and have only been in production since the mid-1960's. It really is a different plant.
previoustopcomment
they've been bread to have bigger endosperm, which is for starch not protein, too high a protein content is considered a flaw.
Dreadmoth
"they've been bread" ☜( ̊ヮﾟ☜)
eldorel
shorter tougher stalks, thicker larger ears, higher resistance to disease, less reliance on seasonal duration, better nutrient uptake, etc.
eldorel
There have been HUNDREDS of changes from breeding, cross polinating, etc.
previoustopcomment
yea, but that doesn't mean higher protein content, as they don't actually want to increase it and its monitored.
Marlboro45Man
2/ and nutritious wheat, a possible explanation for the spike in gluten sensitivity is that people were not getting reactions
Marlboro45Man
3 from the lower gluten wheat previously, even though they had genes for the sensitivity
simaxiang
Hate me now. I, like others that won't believe you solely on the basis that they don't experience your issues,don't believe it. Link studies
SimenHellesund
Do you have a source for this?
Marlboro45Man
I haven't found the actual academic study I read a while back, and I'm not going to link some stupid hipster alternate health place, sorry:(
CopperCoffeeCup
IMO countries that outlawed GMOs have much lower gluten intolerance and gastrointestinal sensitivity problems.
Cuntard
citation needed
CopperCoffeeCup
I'm sorry, I don't have citations for opinions (hence the IMO). However if you need something, my hypothesis comes from experience. 1/
chemed
We also don't naturally ferment bread anymore so gluten doesn't get broken down as much.
JamesAwkboner
Also consider that your body just has a limit of how much of anything it can process. Most people would be fine if thy didn't eat all bread
luxiem
This. The fermentation process in traditional bread making reduces the gluten level. Americans discovers baking powder and stopped (1/2)
previoustopcomment
Nope, if this were true beer wouldn't bother gluten intolerant people, beer is way more fermented than bread and has less grain content.
luxiem
Fermenting their mass produced bread to speed up production. Tons of sandwhich bread is also full of crummy fillers. Because money.
DurantulaWasAlreadyTaken
Celiac disease is an auto immune disease. Also, grains have mutated immensely in the 10k yrs we've been farming, which is a huge contributor
MrDeadsr
Except most people affect allergic but are just following a fad
eldorel
Actually there's been more change to the wheat in the last 60 years than the last 2500. look up "dwarf wheat strains".
previoustopcomment
And they keep a close eye on the protein content as its undesirable above certain levels, gluten is a protein.
DurantulaWasAlreadyTaken
Yes I am aware if this, but my point is valid. Our food has changed drastically, but humans haven't evolved to accommodate the changes.
keyonne
Also, most breakfast protein bars now use gluten as the protein, causing massive exposure.
jonnyroquette
Let's not forget that gluten is a binding agent used in a shit load of other processed foods too
keyonne
It's in like 90% of soups. Finding cheap GF tomato soup is literally impossible.
jonnyroquette
Finding cheap GF anything is impossible. Making soup is easy. Cook carrot, celery, onion, add canned tomato, herbs, simmer 30 minutes.
waking86
Agreed. With all the GMOS in our foods, the natural foods that our ancestors ate is nothing compared to nowadays. Hence all the 'allergies'
graygrif
Which natural version are you talking about? Humans began domesticating corn 10k years ago. It started out as little more than a seed.
waking86
I'm talking about the kind that didn't have a scientist in a lab changing the direct DNA of a plant. Affecting the time it takes to grow etc
graygrif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize#/media/File:Maize-teosinte.jpg Origin of corn on top. By 7000k years ago, corn was close to the bottom
keyonne
Well for example, banana seeds used to be penny sized and are now barely visible. We mess with the foods we eat
graygrif
I guess what I'm saying is that most of what we consider "natural" we've messed with. Corn would die out in a year if humans disappeared
keyonne
Oh, yeah. A lot of cultivated plants would die out if not at least greatly drop in population.
DurantulaWasAlreadyTaken
That's the approximate time frame of when humans began farming and moved away from 'hunter gatherer'
DurantulaWasAlreadyTaken
I actually was not referring to GMOs specifically. I was referring specific section of grains through agriculture; similar to how dogs 1
waking86
Ok fair enough. But I'm talking about the "naturally pesticide free" plants that are capable of growing in adverse areas that they never
waking86
Grew in previously. Or how modified seeds DNA is nowadays compared to how it used to be. Pesticides aside, our foods have been messed with
DurantulaWasAlreadyTaken
Have changed significantly through the same process in even just the last 100 years. Im actually quite adverse as using GMO as a catch all 2
DurantulaWasAlreadyTaken
For 'bad'... I mean GMOs range wildly in there use and affects, so to flatly say they cause problems is an unfair simplification IMO
waking86
And yes, not all GMOS are causing huge problems. But what I see is becoming a more prevalent problem isn't from people being pussy. 1
jonnyroquette
Oh my God thank you
drj37
Most people who won't eat gluten aren't. They're just mindless followers clinging to the latest diet fad.
ThaFoeHammer
It's the chemicals and over processing that causes the "allergies". That's why European bread doesn't bother people
only90skidswillgetthis
Or they got weird girlfriends and just doing it for the pussy
Sm9yCg
They should be informed about DHMO the same way. So they can eat and drink DHMO free food. Make it a thing.
Redeyer
People eat what they want and you gotta insult them?
Nefarra
Yeah, its more towards the people who buy gluten free and spend more money without knowing what it means.
drj37
People are welcome to eat what they want, but they don't need to be pretentious or con others into thinking this is a common thing.
iamawaffleiron
While I'm not a fan of this fad.. It has given a range of new food options to my mother who has celiac disease. Which is nice for her.
daelith
Not all of them. Some, like my wife, have reactions. It's not gluten they react to, but it correlates well enough it's easier.
drj37
Sure, some people have problems, i.e. varying degrees of legitimate gluten allergy, but those people are not as common as you'd think.
drj37
Based on how prominent "gluten free" crap is these days.
DualSupernova
GLUTEN FREE WATER! GLUTEN FREE TRASH BAGS -___- i swear...
GadenKerensky
Gluten Free milk was a thing for a while.
DualSupernova
I've seen gluten free oranges.. I walked out of that store
GadenKerensky
:<
Nefarra
And you get to charge more for saying it's gluten free!! Sales go up by 30% for things that are naturally gluten free anyway. Profit train.
MrsZbornak
Many other disorders besides celiac people avoid gluten. My step mom has cancer and stopped gluten. She says it has helped her a lot
drj37
But is it a real medicinal effect, or is it a placebo effect because everyone says quitting gluten is healthy?
MrsZbornak
She feels like crap after eating gluten and has stomach issues afterwards. Her doctor is informed about it all
theycallmebirb
1/2Gluten is a specific protein found in bread/complex carb products. It is known to have an inflammatory effect- if mom has a GI/bowel..
theycallmebirb
2/2 or pancreatic cancer it is very likely that it could in fact make her feel better. Source: I'm a health specialist (despite username)
NotHarroc
I thought they moved onto that Paleo garbage diet already.
drj37
Mostly, but the left an indelible mark of stupidity on the food industry.
Corona688
I thought that was a 70's thing.
JupiterJedi
Gluten’s a vague term. It’s something that’s used to categorize things that are bad.
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JupiterJedi
'This is the end' reference
Nefarra
Oh!
JupiterJedi
Calories-that’s a gluten. Fat-that’s a gluten.
Nefarra
Gluten means wheat. Barley, rhy, oat.
TiredOldBroad
Absolutely. Celiac disease, which is gluten allergy, is very rare.
Lordpidomort
Although you are entirely correct, it is becoming more common.
TrijezniMujo
Becoming more commonly diagnosed as well
Lordpidomort
True.
JasonD
It's not an allergy, & not actually that rare. Until very recently, it was often misdiagnosed, and recent improvements are due to the "fad."
keyonne
Also there are a lot of other illnesses made worse by gluten (fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arithatis, IBS, chrones, lupis, etc)
leaderlesslurker
In fairness, my brother has the disease, but the bandwagoning has made the gluten free food become higher quality.
TiredOldBroad
I have to admit it has really helped people who actually have the disease to have more and better choices.
quff
Let's hope it stays that way, I like bread.
TTTForm
IIRC celiac is estimated to be present in 1 out of every 300.
Gustie13
1 in 100
TasteMyPuttanescaSauce
I hate to be that guy, but it's an autoimmune disorder, not an allergy. Taste the sauce... with gluten free noodles...
keyonne
Yeah they're also finding links to causation with gluten sensitivity in illnesses they previously thought were unpreventable/untreatable.
keyonne
My husband has rhumetoid artharitis, I have fibromyagia, and my sister in law has IBS - all exacerbated by gluten. Gluten free, symptom free
TasteMyPuttanescaSauce
Sorry for the janky web address.
TasteMyPuttanescaSauce
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/celiac-disease/home/ovc-20214625&ved=0ahU
TiredOldBroad
I stand corrected. Thank you!
TasteMyPuttanescaSauce
I'm so glad you took that well. I hate being that guy because I assume everyone on webs will become insulted. Happy browsing to you!
youdidntseeanythingg
=) nice
TiredOldBroad
I understand. I appreciate the fact that you didn't call me a moron! :)
Mack1986
My nephew has it. He doesn't care. He'd rather have stomach cramps and painful shits then give up pizza or pasta
TasteMyPuttanescaSauce
For a true celiac, that's extremely unhealthy and damaging. He should stop. Sometimes life sucks.
Andilee
Yeah it doesn't sound like this kid has celiacs. Friend spent weeks in the hospital before she was diagnosed and healthy again. Wheat is bad
bookemdanno80
I have seen someone have a "celiac attack" after cross contamination and its not pleasant. A week later his cramps stopped.
Cakelesscake
I am the same way but sometimes it's not worth it. Only time I'll do that is if I have absolutely nothing to do that night/next day.
Andilee
Um not sure if that's Celiacs my friend would be in the hospital if she did that.. Even traces of wheat makes her super Ill.
keyonne
Donatos and East of Chicago have excellent GF pizza. And Olive Garden now offers GF pasta. Outback has gluten free options and applebees
keyonne
Has a very compreh endive GF menu. On a side note, corn pasta is excellent. Rice is shit
Corona688
corn pasta is kind of rubbery, but definitely edible.
IAmGodot
They make gluten free pizza dough and pasta...
darearkin
And they taste very unlike the real thing, yet cost more.
TrijezniMujo
I've tried gluten free pizza and bread (have a friend who has the celiac thingajig), stank when opened and had "hollow" texture.
KRoxSrsly
Diagnosed celiac here, he should educate himself. It's more that cramps etc. try Villious atrophy and death by malnutrition
KRoxSrsly
More than* cramps etc.... My bad
FartyMcDumpstein
It's a big spectrum. My father was diagnosed at 60. No stomach lining, but still managed to live his life eating pasta.
tex81024
Allergies are mutations and can appear at any time, also I'd imagine those that were alergic to gluten died pretty quick
previoustopcomment
they'd just be sickly, and it often only becomes apparent after breeding age as damage take time to accumulate, it wouldn't be selected out
ButterfaceTaintClown
This. My father wasn't diagnosed until he was in his 60s.
thatsandichic
Most of my food allergies hit in my 40s. Food allergies don't always give an anaphylaxis reaction. I get a severe stomach ache or hives.
thundermakeslightning
Pretty sure they'd remember people's dicks flying off
Andilee
Celiacs is not an allergy it's an autoimmune disorder, and if you have it trust me you'll know. Traces send my buddy to the hospital.
tex81024
Every allergy is an autoimmune disorder, but a mutation is what causes the disorder
ThaFoeHammer
Funny thing is most of the gluten allergies are caused by the over processed flour, chemicals and filler in bread now. Non GMO wheat 1/2
ThaFoeHammer
Won't affect you unless you have celiacs
keyonne
Yeah but exposure to the human race over time could have, in theory, caused a gene mutation causing a rise in allergy
ThaFoeHammer
Yes. However after working at my family's health food store I know gluten intolerant customers can eat nonGMO chemical free wheat and be1/2
ThaFoeHammer
Perfectly fine. They wonder why they can eat all the bread they want in Europe without problems. The nutrients help your body process gluten
Cuntard
define processed and name which specific chemicals are causing allergies. then cite a valid primary source
ThaFoeHammer
This leaves you with filler, sugar, gluten and pesticides along with other additives. Kinda easy to see why people get sick.
Cuntard
what specific pesticides and how do they get there. What 'other additives' and how re they harmful?
ThaFoeHammer
Your name really fits. Clearly you have the Internet. Use it.
ThaFoeHammer
Commercial flour (US) is overheated when milled. This strips out nutrients and proteins. Sugar and filler proteins are added afterwards 1/?
Cuntard
Primary citations needed
ThaFoeHammer
As a biologist, this isn't a scientific journal. I'm simply stating information. Feel free to fact check if you don't believe it.
ThaFoeHammer
Also. The US is one of the only places the still allows bromide in our bread. Just google it real quick. It's pretty nasty stuff.
Cuntard
burden to provide evidence to support that claim is on you
redredgreengreen
Burden was to provide specifics as to chemicals with negative effects.(IE, bromine). His original comments were lackluster in that 1/3