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Ice2Ice2
So sad... Such a beautiful lady!
Modoor
Just based on the ‘facts’ on this post even I could conclude this was no suicide!
twintigpuppies
The podcast Crime Junkie did an episode called Women in the Military that discusses her and other similar cases. Horrifying.
YuhMuda
So Rape is part of serving?
Promethianfire
Regarding the responsible party, "I do not support thart particular troop."
Adamarket
What a beautiful smile. I've lost two female friends to domestic violence. This hurts.
brewcrew205
This is unforgivable and it happens to men as well....
zanaria
Of course they did, because they would never want to admit that their soldiers did something wrong...
blais
always wondered about women in the military and this confirms it
Hobbsrox
Huh. Now I wonder how many Iraqi children commited suicide at the hands of Murica
TarrkertheNewt
This is more common than anyone will admit. It's terrifying and NEEDS to be deal with.
RADICALFREEDOM
I feel like blaming the “us government” writ large is a cheap way of being mad without demanding justice. It’s not the government. It’s the
RADICALFREEDOM
PEOPLE
TheFlyingB
Do you not burn your genitals off before committing suicide? Everyone is doing it.
numnumcoookies
as a big strong woman, i work with big strong men, but there are situations that are not meant for me whether or not it's "correct" 1/
TheJackKetch
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here - war is no more suitable for men than it is for women; but if people are passionate enough /1
TheJackKetch
/2 to fight for what they believe in, then a woman has an equal right to be in that arena, without fear of being raped by her comrades.
numnumcoookies
in a political or ethical sense. danger is danger, even if it's from your co worker... the devil is everywhere and it only takes a tiny push
BigHeadWeb
Dahlmordyth
So, out of dubious curiosity, what’s your take on situations that ARE meant for you? Since serving in the military isn’t one of them?
Ardback
Sure. It's so clear, A suicide like Jeffrey Epstein.
Levitus
*rolls corpse over revealing the face - an expression of horror, shock and fear.* "Hmm. Must've caught herself by surprise."
StewedTomaters
One day, just like every person who's bought a cooked-up conspiracy theory, you guys are going to look back and say "huh, you know what?
StewedTomaters
Maybe that prison WAS just incredibly negligent." Why do you think they put people on suicide watch to begin with? Just in case it one day
StewedTomaters
happens? That man was, and still is, the pariah of the world. Even monsters want to escape judgment.
PoorSucker
You can't handle the truth.
AtomicChipmunk
My eyes are ready to learn. Waits for some poor sucker to reply...
Crispy4Skin
vegivamp
Try me.
Brandy321
i hope the people who did this to her die miserably.
TheGriffin
I'd rather they live long lives filled with suffering and agony
MrRandom314159
Unfortunately they likely won't. And they'll still think of themselves as good people.
HighSorcerer
They're going to go around telling everyone they were in the military and deserve respect. They should die like the cowards they are.
MathiasTolerain
They wont. They’ll live long happy lives and pass their predatory tendencies on to their children.
TheMadOnion
I hope they were bit in the neck by a fucking camel spider.
Tragon
Maybe captured and tortured then raped by many camels? Then sent to prison with assholes large enough to fit roadcones base deep up inside.
fitchy0812
They won't, they'll live the rest of their lives in relative obscurity because the world is full of injustice. Change needs to come.
devilzadvoc8
Change will come
devilzadvoc8
No, i hope they get uncovered and sent to live their days out knowing taking a life should not be taken lightly.
RevLegoFoot
... and then die miserably.
devilzadvoc8
Touche
DaMummy
Why would you hope for this? Don't you know the history the US has of torturing whistleblowers for stuff like this?
devilzadvoc8
The people need to fight against this whistleblowers as a threat to civilians.
OhB1KinOB
What?
devilzadvoc8
Snitches get stichtes.
devilzadvoc8
So if you know why not vote against it? Thought it to be a democracy
uncreativeusernamex
"burns from a corrosive chemical on her genitals to cover evidence of rape" bit of an assumption there.
edgareplekjekk
You are right. Adding "possible" in front of rape would be better. It would even make the reader think twice about the deed.
VulcanP90
IS IT THO
ariania
nah it was put there to make the unicorns fly and happy time to arrive . holy f*ck ur behind the curve mate.
thechelonianshelmet
https://thehueandcry.com/lavena-johnson
MileHighLivin
Possibly. But it's not as if using chemicals to burn someone's genitals without motivation to destroy evidence is all good.
TA2019
Sometimes you people can stretch info to make the most ridiculous conspiracy theories, and then see this and brush it off. It's absolutely
TA2019
Astounding the bubble you cling to desperately.
iExplainTheJoke
My uncle was an army medic and he was raped while serving, he's never been the same
LHogan32
MarlenaWatches
Men can be raped too. Was this something you didn't know, or are you just being a cheese-dick?
edgareplekjekk
Noone said otherwise.
HelgenBorderPatrol
I wanna give him the benefit and just say that he's appalled at the situation.
Acronymicon
My dick gets cheesy if I apply powder in the morning and then sweat all day. I can scrape off parmesan cheese by day’s end. Smells different
v23474
Acronymicon
It’s like making dough without the payoff in the end. Unless you’re into that. Based on the downvotes y’all’rn’t
devilzadvoc8
This is what bothers me about any position of power. The stanford experiment isn't taught enough.
admeaz0123
It is taught often in psych programs but unless ur a psych major you arent going to hear of it. And even in an educational context it's >
admeaz0123
Used for shock value, like look how far we've come from these archaic methods. But it wasn't that long ago and things aren't that different>
admeaz0123
People refer to those experiments with the same excitement as they watch serial killer docs. It's entertainment, not a lesson learned
devilzadvoc8
Thank you
kumagororyu
Had to look that one up as I had never heard of the experiment. Seems the reason it isnt taught more is because the methodology was flawed.
IMCastorTroy
I learned about it partially because its methodology was flawed. Honestly thought it was pretty weirdly taught if you take any sociology.
devilzadvoc8
I guess since I only read the text and wasn't in an actual learning environment I am biased on what the experiment showed
IMCastorTroy
*widely not weirdly
devilzadvoc8
But in science, as a practice shouldn't we learn from the mistakes and apply them to the now. The Stanford experiments = Authorization
markiel
You're missing the point, the experiment has too much wrong with it to be able to show what you're wanting it to show.
eadanke
All we learned is that Philip Zimbardo is willing to lie and cheat in order to produce the results he wanted.
eadanke
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201909/twilight-the-stanford-prison-experiment
devilzadvoc8
Isn't that we are seeing with most people with authority they don't respect for the power it truly holds. I BELIEVE the experiment is valid
eadanke
I understand believing that Zimbardo's belief was correct, but the experiment wasn't designed in a way that could support that belief.
kumagororyu
The researchers told the "guards" to apply psychological torture so that the researchers would have something to work with.
devilzadvoc8
Psychological torture and abuse is commonly used within enforcement agencies.
kumagororyu
That's cause enough to throw out the study. Skewing results like that isnt very scientific.
devilzadvoc8
The premise is valid though. Give individuals orders and they comply without moral obligations and you still have my thesis on why it holds.
Dagordae
You mean you agree with the premise. The study is so hilariously flawed that there isn’t a single step that wouldn’t invalidate any proper
BlueFlameKing
Psych graduate here: Stanford experiment was monumentally flawed, so much so it actually acts as a rehash of the Milgram experiments
colourofair
PhD psych student here: can confirm. Popular understanding of Milgram and Zimbardo has been media spun, and badly.
colourofair
Fuck, Zimbardo himself has distorted the FUCK out of his findings to keep dining out on them. YEAH, I SAID IT.
eadanke
And Milgram results are overstated. Half were "obedient" and 72% of obedients said they thought it was fake. >
eadanke
links too long "New analysis suggests most Milgram participants realised the “obedience experiments” were not really dangerous"
Ninjainslippers
Fellow psych grad here. Milgram, Zambardo, and Freud are all completely misconstrued in pop culture.
HolyCringeLordBatman
Yeah, Freud is misconstrued as relevant lmao.
Ninjainslippers
He invented the concept of the unconscious mind. Sure, a lot of his work was insane but there's a reason we still talk about him.
HolyCringeLordBatman
He popularized and misconstrued it. Psychologists had a concept of an unconscious mind before Freud.
4vie
Non-psych grad here: What about Jung? Does he have any noteworthy successors, for that matter?
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Well there certainly isn't amy mass mind we're all part of
Ninjainslippers
The entire field of psychoanalytic psychology is misunderstood. They created the concept of the unconscious mind. There have been a lot of >
Ninjainslippers
> insane ideas in the field, but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. It's an important concept and was revolutionary.
FarkasMacTavish
Freudian theory was the result of cocaine and projection.
kindpanda
FUCK YOU DAD!
Ninjainslippers
There's the pop culture misinterpretation! It was flawed but important because it established the concept of the unconscious mind.
FarkasMacTavish
Important but incorrect is still incorrect.
Ninjainslippers
It led to a lot of impactful work by people like Carl Jung who explored the concept in a less-flawed way.
TacoPuncher
Where does the mother fucking come from?
FarkasMacTavish
Cocaine tends to hypersexualize your brain. Projection makes you think everybody is like you. This hack thought toddlers exploring their >
hammersquirrel
Krankt
That's the projection, he wanted to fuck his mother.
devilzadvoc8
The premise of having others follow orders without any moral guidance and just think they're doing what was acceptable until it's not.
Werewolfoflondon
True, but boot camp is supposed to break you all the way down and then build you up as the military wants…that’s harsh. There is no excuse
BlueFlameKing
Exactly
devilzadvoc8
I saw that proven in both experiments. Which is my dispute with law enforcement of any kind that are told to blindly follow orders.
colourofair
There was polarization for sure, but also their sampling procedures were bunk and selected for pathological levels of aggression.
devilzadvoc8
Which i feel correlates with the issues we're seeing with the negatives within enforcement.
colourofair
Soooooooo very much. :(
azazyel
Or Jamie Leigh Jones who was gang raped by Haliburton contractors https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702&page=1
GasBandit
She enhanced the truth https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/kbr-could-win-jamie-leigh-jones-rape-trial/
mrmeeseekslookatmee
She denied being gang raped when this went to court: https://www.businessinsider.com/jamie-lie-jones-probably-lied-about-her-rape-2013-10
mrmeeseekslookatmee
I’m *NOT* saying it didn’t happen - I just remember following this story back in the day
devilzadvoc8
I'm so glad she was strong enough to report it.
devilzadvoc8
How is this not compared to the stanford experiment. Why was I never allowed to be a boy and was always responsible for my actions.
triggrhaapi
I think the most disgusting part of this particular case is the surge of suspicious news articles claiming she lied.
MileHighLivin
Ehh. It looks a little iffy.
MileHighLivin
MileHighLivin
https://www.businessinsider.com/jamie-lie-jones-probably-lied-about-her-rape-2013-10
SignHerePlease
"The way the law presently stands, I would say that they don't have, at least in the criminal system, the opportunity for justice."
Saajix
Thats because we have a legal system not a justice system. Cuz if we did shit would look way better
KrakedUp
I'd settle for vengeance then.
SignHerePlease
If you'd ever need another excuse to support vigilante justice in such cases.
ProppaGanda
To support tearing down the state.
SecondTomorrow
*Frank Castle has entered the chat*
ironiccomment
If she had killed them overseas would she face any charges? Or would it fall through the same loophole?
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
I am not in favor of common people taking vengeance for themselves, because common people are ill-equipped, either mentally or 1/
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
2/ physically. However, there do exist certain individuals with the mettle for judicious violence, and I encourage their crusade.
Saajix
Who the police cuz they've done such a great job at it.
Eridianne
I don't agree with it in principle, but the spirit is right; that was well fucking said Dresden.
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