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REMOVE Trump
ABOLISH ICE
Release the Unredacted Epstein Files
Feb 22, 2026 6:16 AM
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REMOVE Trump
ABOLISH ICE
Release the Unredacted Epstein Files
UpvoteTotem
I bet if you just asked, they'd even mark the vans for you
zw0lf99
REMOVE TRUMP
Return ICE to their previous job levels
Release the unredacted files
Investigate and prosecute the criminals
nnjd4zqrrq31415
Nooo ice needs to go, and everyone who was complicit needs to be held accountable
Rabidgoat
too late democucks, its time for them to burn.
TrumpRapesChildren
Water balloons full of orange enamel based or oil based paint.
Shits almost impossible to clean off in any quick measure of time, makes it impossible to see through windshields. And makes it easy to see which vehicle is being properly tagged for catch and release.
Or.
Molotovs through car windows. Frozen objects don't do well against hot things.
skadoobdoo
Redact the victim's names and faces in the Epstein files. Reveal the rapists.
Noahbalboa82
Abolish ICE, take the funding appropriated to them to hire judges, clerks, etc to handle the backlog of immigration applications. Take some of the money to compensate those who have been locked up in custody awaiting deportation in our concentration camps
ivymantled69
Law & Order: ICE Agency. "In the American justice system, the people are abducted by two separate yet equally important groups: the government, who invent crimes; and the ICE agents, who shoot the public. These are their stories." *Bong bong!*
ThisGuyPostingThings
Damn, Booker. Can you fund more "aw enforcement agencies"? They seem like a better idea than the law enforcement there is now.
enderite
Fuck you Corey. Body cams barely helped with the regular police. Aint gonna do shit here.
You spineless feckless piece of shit.
unluckyandbored
Fucking useless piece of shit.
SuperfluousMeh
Cory Booker is a flowery disappointment
Cats2cats
Enough of this stuff. Shit or get off the pot. No more hand slapping.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Worthless fucking party. People need to riot.
wandermanspacebot
"People need to riot" LOL. Perfect slogan for this website. "I'm appalled! Hopefully someone else does something!"
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
I'm not American. If I was I would be. I was protesting today for Canada to provide aid to Cuba; particularly oil. And I helped in organizing a counter-protest that took place yesterday in Downtown Toronto against the Canada First people, who are basically Maple MAGA anti-immigrant cunts. At the last one me and a bunch of others formed a human chain to block cops and we were beaten and maybe two old women were trampled by the cops (or same woman twice).
Americans need to actually do shit, too.
anononanonanona
The part of that weak demand that would required warrants before going out to collect anyone would actually solve the whole problem. So of course, it would never be obeyed. The real issue is, I'm pretty sure that's already technically required and so it makes it seem even more ridiculous as a demand.
jrntn
I don't disagree with the overall point, but "this was satire six years ago" implies that it wasn't also TRUE six years ago, which it was. This was posted during the George Floyd protests where Trump had masked federal agents kidnap protesters off the street in unmarked vans, never to be seen again.
TsubakiTragic
#1 Go Cory, atta boy, that'll show those fascist republicans they can't get away with murder... wait...
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Don't worry. He'll just do another 25-hour speech filibustering nothing and pat himself on the back.
Icantthinkofaname2
carbodacious
Him and Hakeem Jeffries
hereforthememes420
Capybellie
But the boot will have the officer's ID engraved, so they can read it from the markings on your broken ribs!
KoalaOnTheJuice
This tweet should be in the Louvre.
canigifinpaint
Hey wasn't that the guy who was saying Ukraine was full of nazis and Russia had every right to invade them?
Arbitrarynamehere
Broken clocks, etc etc
SquirtVonnegut
Mike Gravel died years ago and is known for reading the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record. What exactly did he say about Ukraine?
canigifinpaint
My mistake, I assumed he had something to do with the "Institute" that bears his name and published word-for-word Putin propaganda, but after some reading I can see that was his campaign staff and he had nothing to do with it.
BHPaperstacks
You mean the, "Mike Gravel Institute for Dictators Who Can't Make War Good and Who Want to Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too"?
jetact12
At least MAKE THEM TAKE THEIR MASKS OFF
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
"Woah, that's a bit extreme! We need to meet Republicans in the middle. We'll ask for ICE to wear less intimidating black masks. Maybe we can get them to wear Navy Blue? Of course, Republicans might push back on that. If they do, we'll back down. That should earn us some good will for the next time we propose something."
jetact12
And we'll say...Weird.
Rabidgoat
Yes, this is excellent sarcasm. Wouldnt have gotten it without the quotes.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Thanks. It's hard to imagine having that little of a spine.
Rabidgoat
it really is but they find ways. Now they are trying to not have to execute the traitors and are talking about masks.
Lmao get fukt bootlicker the tree of liberty demands blood.
Evi1Gav
The ice agent that murdered Renee good had 8 years of service. It's not about the training.
1stDrunkJoe
Alex Pretti's murderers also have several years of service.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
RIght? If this was one of the new batch of ICE agents then it would point to problems with the current recruitment. The fact that it was done by an established agent shows its a systemic rot
Evi1Gav
Exactly. The agents have always been like this, trump just slipped the leash and gave them no consequences.
pixelsnader
Service isn't the same as training. Service just turns trained knowledge and skills into routine. But routines based on bad training are just bad routines.
ArcUlfr
Get some more Democrats in with the midterms, then. What they're doing now is forwarding legislation that actually has a chance of passing given the fact that Republicans still hold a majority in both the House and Senate. If you want more, give them more to work with.
WaxedApple
The only that would change with more democrats is that people would stop caring again. Its insane that you think ICE wasn't a fascist organization under Obama. The Obama DOJ argued that three year olds could represent themselves in immigration court. There is no opposition party.
bekkayya
yup. Its like pulling teeth to get democrats to realize their party built ice on purpose to do what it is doing now.
rickdlol
Yea ! Right on!
So it seems best to hand full unchecked power to accelerationist fascists!
That’ll teach us to vote for fascists!
WaxedApple
Your choices are acceleration or entrenchment. You will never be allowed to vote for anything else, and your fellow idiots will help make sure of it
Arbitrarynamehere
Clinton recently lauded the previous democratic administrations for deporting more people than Trump did in his first term. Which uh...man. we're cooked.
Frencheeseater
In Spain, the Socialist gvt is "regularizing" 500 000 immigrants, because the economy and demography needs them. Simple. Pragmatic. And efficient.
ignoremejustlurkingaround
How to quickly proof you know nothing about immigration politics in spain.
It's surprisingly similar to US for the last decades. Have people come in as illegal immigrants so you can exploit them for cheap work while threatening with deportation. Simple. Pragmatic. And efficient.
But yeah, now they have to survive 5 years as illegals instead of 7 before they can try to register for a permanent stay. An improvement, but one may wonder why have such a system in the first place....
Frencheeseater
In Andalucia, in the "plastic sea" area where they produce loads of vegetables for all EU & GB the (North African) migrants are treated as slaves by Vox-style farmers, but in other jobs in the rest of Spain, lots are working in bars, restaurants or construction and are better considered. From my viewpoint, as a French, I'm just glad there is hope for some to get due papers and a better future.
Frencheeseater
Spain is also in the frontline (like Italy & Greece) for massive illegal immigration, and they have to enforce "Frontex", the EU policy set for all countries in the EU union, and like all countries, there are ppl anti-migrants, and others who consider them human anyway. Another interesting situation is Italy, whose extreme-right gvt hat to quietly give papers to immigrants due to lack of workforce.
Arbitrarynamehere
My brother in christ what do the democrats do when they have the majority
Do you think it hasn't happened before
Frencheeseater
For some heavy reforms you need a majority of 2/3 in both Congress + Senate, even the SCOTUS should be reformed... a lot of change should be done, and it won't be possible without solid majorities, and people support.
SirButcher
The last time they had the majority, they did the first step to get healthcare for US citizens. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it was a step toward the right direction and saved money for millions, likely saving tens of thousands of lives from more suffering.
damogen
They passed massiv elegislation on almost every single progressive agenda when they had a tied senate under Biden.
You just don't know about that because you only follow the news when shit is on fire.
Arbitrarynamehere
There was the infrastructure bill and the inflation reduction act and what else
Seriously what else? The only signature legislation that got passed was basically throwing bandaids on long broken problems.
damogen
The IRA was a once in a lifetime huge deal, but sure, what else did they do:
student debt relief, capped medical prices and hunted rich tax evaders. and much more
https://i.redd.it/qh92pvlfkvd81.jpg
Arbitrarynamehere
All of which has been undone by the current administration, another failure by the Dems by letting him even run again in the first place and also by failing to win against him after Biden tried to run twice despite saying he would be a one term president and over two thirds of his own party said he shouldn't run again.
They're either very fucking stupid or in on it.
bekkayya
I know about it. Its super awesome how when they have power the democrats would rather focus on putting out every fire rather than dismantle the flamethrower. Its really working awesome so far. Really awesome history of success.
devolutionary
So you acknowledge that they do spend a lot of time putting out fires, which helps people.
To continue your analogy, if your house is set on fire by an arsonist who flees the scene, do you pursue the criminal and pass legislation to ban accelerants, or do you first put out the fire and try to save your home?
I get that Democrats are not perfect, but even you have to admit that they do things that help people, and spend lots of time trying to undo harms caused by conservatives.
bekkayya
If my house was on fire I would stop the person lighting it on fire before any other issue was addressed yes. You didnt think this through did you?
damogen
My brother... The flamethrower is the American people. They voted for this shit.
And you sure sound like someone who could have voted, but didn't. If so, then you're basically asking democrats to dismantle you.
bekkayya
Yeah. They are. They did. And we cant do anything to fix it until we address the actual issue which is that we are surrounded and inundated by fascists. Do you think they could have reformed nazi germany? Put out the fires that the gestapo was causing with the rule of law? Because thats literally, in the most actual literal sense, what is going on and what you're asking.
Arbitrarynamehere
They do dismantle us lmao. How many more primaries do they have to rig just to lose the general to some of the most demonic people on the planet
bekkayya
also fuck off with your voting speculation. we all voted, "evil leftists who abstained to vote copmala" is a spectre you're chasing because you dont want to stare at the truth that is in front of you that your party lost because they suck structurally
damogen
GOP HAVE THE MAJORITY
How is this difficult to understand. Demcrats are doing what they can, but that is very limited because you fuckers didn't show up and vote.
worm61
Democrats are not even remotely trying to do everything they can.
KR1570F
seems like the democrats running for office failed to convince people they were an actual alternative. they fucked up hard and your reaction looks like this? Do you ask your girlfriend why she makes you angry enough to hit her too?
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
DEMS AREN'T TRYING. If they want to win elections, shouldn't they be seen **trying** to do good things but failing because they don't have the numbers? Instead, they try to do fuck-all and then whine about how they failed to do fuck-all because they don't have the majority.
This post is correct. If these Dems get the majority, all they'll push for is to mark the vans. Get better people.
pasthelod
they are doing what the majority wants. on border control and immigration policy people are very very very obviously conservative. (and this is why the caravan meme, and Biden left the border wide open meme, and the immigrants eating pets meme worked so well.)
check the image on this post https://www.slowboring.com/p/how-democrats-lost-their-edge-on border security is an issue where most people vote like hardcore republicans
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
No, they're not. The majority want ICE abolished and Dems won't even entertain that position. Over 50% of Americans want ICE abolished. About 80% of Democratic and left-leaning voters want ICE abolished.
damogen
Largest enivronmental bill in world history. Going after rich tax evaders. Largest infrastructure bill in US history. Student debt relief. Capped drug prices and those are just the highlights.
and they didn't even have the majority. They only had a tied senate and only for 2 years.
So you are factually demonstrably wrong!
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Great. What are they doing against Trump?
damogen
That was your job
wandermanspacebot
This person definitely did not vote for an ultimately meaningless moral stand.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
No, it's theirs.
insaaanity
No, no, no. It's defund the police, but *abolish* ICE.
henryv1598
How about abolishing trump?
thatsbadmmkay
Booker pushed to increase police funding im sure
Imadethisaccounttopost
feexed
insaaanity
Neat
Wafflesaur
DriverIRQnotlessOrEqual
Hey now I thought wrestling was a safe space for MAGA
Wafflesaur
Well, you'd be wrong. WWE may be cosying up to dictators, but AEW has been the progressive alternative for some time now.
blfpd
Preferably with a lil Nuremberg
WaxedApple
You will never be allowed to vote for anyone who supports that, much less any chance of them winning. No one will ever be held responsible outside of a few low level grunts
damogen
Are you a Russian troll or are you undermining your own country without even getting paid for it?
TheAngriestBeardman
He's got a point. Nobody is ever held accountable in this country.
damogen
Russia is copying the CIA playbook on how to destabilize a country: "find an existing problem in the country and troll people about till they get pissed off and make the problem worse"
This is exactly what WaxedApple is doing. So the only question is whether he is getting paid or not.
Harbltron
bekkayya
Abolish the police. There is no justification for the police.
ilovetraveler
Nah. There will always be some portion of the population commiting crimes and hurting other people. No society will ever exist that will not need some form of law enforcement. That said. We can reduce the need for police by reducing income inequality, poverty, and addiction. Also, there needs to be comprehensive police reform including but not limited to additional education requirements for officers, emphasis on conflict deescalation, and actual accountability
bekkayya
thats cool, theres other ways to address that society will always need protection other than authorizing the people who give us parking tickets for a living to also shoot people in the head for a living
ilovetraveler
Literally never said those should be the same people or even that they should be allowed to shoot people in the head except in very rare circumstances. But, completely reform the police is very different than completely abolishing the police.
bekkayya
police are the arm of the state imbued with the state's monopoly on violence. A sufficiently reformed police would be one that doesnt interchangeably enforce its nonviolent laws with the same deadly enforcement that it enforces its violent laws. Such a reform would mean the abolishment of what the police ACTUALLY IS, mechanically.
DriverIRQnotlessOrEqual
Reform sure, abolish no
Clockworkdancerobot
People have been "Reforming" the police for decades. As far back as Rodney King. All they get is more money and "training".
wandermanspacebot
And yet you claim in other threads that reform is what Abolish the Police means. So, what does it actually mean?
bekkayya
It means replace the 96% of police work that doesnt involve violence with a system that doesnt have the state's authority to shoot you in the head.
Breadfordloaves
It's not possible--law enforcement is endogenous to societies.
If you defund publicly-run law enforcement, it will emerge organically elsewhere, whether it's from a for-profit corporation, community police, gangs, etc.
I would prefer law enforcement be owned by the government than owned by shareholders.
bekkayya
nobody is saying to defund law enforcement and then not allocate those funds elsewhere. literally nobody.
Breadfordloaves
Not what I said but not interested in arguing sideways with an internet stranger ✌️
insaaanity
Literally the person they were replying to was.
TrumpRapesAndEatsChildren0002
I get where you're coming from - and i agree - but this has anti-vax vibes (i'm not sick, da fuq do i need vaccines for?).
We need police to **PROTECT AND SERVE** the populace - that's what's wrong with it right now. Police should arrest ICE if they try to kidnap people without due process.
So police needs to be reformed, not abolished.
Clockworkdancerobot
And yet we see many times police working WITH Ice. Police don't protect and serve the people. They serve capital. Please learn what Police Abolition means. Civil rights lawyer Oliurinatti explains: https://youtu.be/hBGU6bwB60k
SpamYarBlockers
The Supreme Court ruled that there is no constitutional right to be protected by the police nor is there a constitutional requirement for the police to protect people. That needs to be fixed for protect and serve to mean anything.
bekkayya
Even a perfect implementation of what the police is currently supposed to be would not fulfill that function. Protecting people has never once in the history of policing been their function. The data shows its not the outcome they have in communities, even in places that ostensibly dont have these problems. The police are there ONLY to protect property and record crimes after the fact. Gotta also say I really dont appreciate you jumping straight to calling me anti vax (cont)
bekkayya
there is a strong liberal backlash going on right now where I'm noticing a gut rejection of leftist ideas on the basis that any change from the default liberalism we grew up with must mean fascism. Fascism (and its offshoot subcultures like antivax) are a really specific thing that its worth learning about the systemics of. Without a systemic understand you have no framework with which to tell good change from bad change.
bekkayya
whole lotta liberal outrage and nothing so far besides literally throwing the cops own propaganda slogan back at me. go ahead, justify what cops do in their communities. bring me the data that shows they perform a necessary function that no other fundamentally different organization could take over more efficiently and effectively. Do it.
knotwingknot
Has there been any success with replacing police response to violent crime specifically? Because where I live most emergency response is already outsourced to other organizations, but I am struggling to figure out how an unarmed responder could handle common occurrences like DV/IPV incidents, bar fights and gang altercations.
Heisanevilgenius
Show me a country that has no police force whatsoever
wandermanspacebot
Haiti has a pretty much no police force, at least functionally. These people are too stupid to understand what would;d happen if their ideas came to pass.
wandermanspacebot
So what happens when people commit crimes when we have no police force and no prisons? We just talk it out? Ever been the victim of a crime, or do you come from too much privilege to even consider what that feels like?
Clockworkdancerobot
This is always the dumb take. Police abolition is not about removing all forms of justice. But fixing the root causes and establishing systems of reparative justice instead of ones that just create worse crime and not fix the root causes. Poverty. Olurinatti https://youtu.be/hBGU6bwB60k
wandermanspacebot
So you would just call it abolition, but we would still have a police force? Maybe your slogan is dumb, ever think of that?
Clockworkdancerobot
Engage with the actual issues and not bitch about slogans.
Eddyrock
Ya, the truth is, the democrats are part of the problem.
A lot of this started decades ago, but a lot of this also started when the Dems stripped Bernie Sanders of his primary win and gave it to Hillary.
The Dem is also just a second right wing party. We need actual representation and we need to lean hard on our politicians to give it to us.
Goldensands
"Lean hard"... you need to learn how to fking protest. It's not a cardio workout. To learn to riot. To guillotine. Your people have no teeth, no dignity, nothing for your fascist pedo oligarchy to fear or so much as respect.
Svartsinn
Dems lost to a rapist felon after chasing non-existent swing voters like they always do. Then they have the audacity to blame the voters they've been ignoring for not voting hard enough. Blaming your voters doesn't win elections, but dems love losing it helps them fundraise.
ilovetraveler
It was still people's fault for not voting for Hillary out of anger. People should still vote for the "lesser evil." At the same time, I can recognize the corporate democrats in charge have been so out of touch with voters and their needs, they keep making themselves seem undesirable. They keep trying to play both sides instead of recognizing that republicunts will hate them regardless and call them the radical left anyway so they may as well become the "radical left"
Dannoboyo
On a very basic level we are all to blame. Get a mirror, I think you are also to blame, and perhaps more than some. But you are sure good at pointing a finger.
TonyDiethelm
If we had a proportional representation system, we could just vote for that Bernie party, and they'd get a percentage of congress.
Our system sucks. The founding fathers fucked up.
SinStar87
did what they could with alot of the people not wanting to be told what to do my the majority. Many of the states didn't want to be answerable to a fed thus the original confederation. then fucked over vets actually rose up and demanded pay so we got the federation to force states to answer to federal power.
Frencheeseater
In my opinion it's up to Dem voters to push "leftist" candidates to be elected, although keep in mind that in order to win, a candidate must get votes from both sides so it's better not to choose a "champion of the left" with no votes reserves from the left and dissuading light right-wing to vote for him/her.
In France, Macron won 2 times because he was "centrist" and was able to collect votes from both sides.
1/2
Frencheeseater
The French equivalent of Bernie Sanders is J-L Melenchon, he's the biggest (radical) left candidate but will never be able to win the 2nd turn vs ANY candidate because of 'radical' positions scaring the "moderate" voters, and all the right-wing voters prefer voting for extreme-right (Le Pen) rather than Melenchon...
So i think the best Progressive candidate must be smooth enough to be able to collect votes from radical left to center-right to be able to win. Good luck with that !
2/2
WaxedApple
Macron's failure as a leader has allowed the far right in France to gain power, and Macron would rather do anything he can to keep the left out of power than defeat the right. Macron is the problem. Centrists are just fascists without the conviction to admit it
Frencheeseater
I agree with you, i'm not saying Macron is successfull governing, just that his strategy to make both left and center-right voting for him was successfull, and it should give us (progressists, leftists, socialists, ecologists...) an advice how to win the future elections.
Ceardah
My (Transgender) wife was planning to run for state congress in a rich / red county. I may be biased but I thought she would have been perfect for the region. A survivalist from a military family, small town HS football hero, etc. The man who is running for state senate met us once and decided to go talk to someone who didn't even get the 300 signatures to get on the ballot the last time she ran and asked her to run. Because he didn't think my wife could win "because of the trans thing."
bekkayya
<3
OtterlyMagnificent
Dannoboyo
Democrats have been rebuilding after Republicans since Nixon. Voters haven’t actually done a very good job of electing majorities or forcing the change. Now people are fighting for basic human rights, and you want everything plus a dessert cart. We should have never had Trump once, much less twice, and somehow the most progressive among us have made virtue signaling into a passive aggressive dig that hurts everyone. Keep it up. You know you want to. Pushing defeat is a lame agenda.
Arbitrarynamehere
Gee I wonder why the left has a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Perchance it has to do with the democratic party doing everything it can to fuck over leftist candidates like Bernie Sanders and then losing to fascists over and over almost like it's the point!
So are Democrats fucking stupid or are they maybe in league with Republicans? They all get the same money, after all.
ilovetraveler
Eh, I think this is an oversimplification. It's still better to vote for the democrat who will be useless than the republicunt who will be regressive. General elections are not the time to sit out or say "both sides." What we need is to primary every corporate democrat and replace them with an actual progressive liberal leftist. The corporate dems tried to hard to keep Mamdani out, but he's the exact type we need across the board.
badbuddhist
Doesn’t help that republicans will vote for anything with an R next to its name but liberals & progressives are actually selective. I think that inadvertently forces the Democratic Party to chase centrists
Arbitrarynamehere
Or when Dems stripped Jesse Jackson of his primary win back in the 80s
They've kinda always done this
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
I saw Hasan covering this. He showed a clip of CHUCK SCHUMER bragging about crushing Jackson's run. Do I think Jackson could have won? No. He had no chance. He was too divisive. Too many white moderates weren't on board with actually giving people full freedom. But Jackson knew that. The goal of his run was to get people excited and get that snowball rolling. Schumer saw the danger it posed to the status quo and fought tooth and nail to halt its momentum. Fucking ghouls, all of them.
Arbitrarynamehere
We keep buying into this idea that progressives and leftists are too unelectable (look how low they polled!) when we have very clear and convincing evidence that anyone *can* win. Look at Zohran in NYC. The earliest polls had him literally at 1% in a race against Andrew fucking Cuomo. He simply beat the DNC's meddling and they hated it. We need to learn from this and run candidates who run on the issues and not promise an infinite status quo of miserable neoliberal bullshit.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Oh I agree. I think *at the time* he would have lost. We have to remember that Jackson was hated for a reason. MLK, at the time of his assassination, was one of the most hated men in the US. But the DNC didn't want Jackson to lose on his own because he'd still do much better than they'd like. They needed him crushed to create the false illusion that his ideals are too fringe. They weren't.
Arbitrarynamehere
Dems need to get caught trying to make things better or they will continue to always lose
NinjablazerZero
I do not think you understand how popular Jackson was when he ran. He was very popular, even among white folks, he for sure could have won.
The mythical White moderate is a creation of the Establishment Dems made to get people like you to believe that some people are just unelectable. Jackson proved them wrong, Bernie proved them wrong, Zohran proved them wrong, and that is why they worked so hard to sandbag all three.
When you run on actual tangible policy, you win.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
I meant white moderate in a more critical sense, like how MLK used it in Letter from a Birmingham Jail. But I wasn't aware Jackson had that much appeal among the mainstream back then. I thought he was more large niche candidate.
Are there any resources you'd recommend where I can learn more about Jackson? I mostly had the mainstream media portrayal of him growing up, which was so distorted that I think it counts as negative knowledge.
KingKrabvoldIV
No one stripped Bernie of a primary win. Stop with those lies.
Eddyrock
Are you sure, he had the win and the the party came up with that super delegates BS
KingKrabvoldIV
Bernie couldn’t have even won with the super delegates. I voted for him in 2016, but Hillary just got more votes.
Eddyrock
Well, it seems I’ve been wrong all this time. I just checked it.
It still stands that the Bernie bros I know still feel super slighted by the DNC and some turned to MAGA.
In my case I know 3 people who turned to MAGA. Including my former best friend.
KingKrabvoldIV
If they feel slighted and turned MAGA, that says a lot about their actual stances and critical thinking.
damogen
Fuck that bullshit!
Biden administration was full on progressive. They only had a tied senate and lost the house after 2 years, but still managed to pass major legislation on almost every progressive agenda.
So if you're still not supporting them after that, then you are the problem.
UnhelpfulAnswers
Found the dem consultant
ilovetraveler
I wouldn't call Biden progressive. They have been the most progressive administration so far, but we can still do better. Biden generally did a good job, but Biden/Harris didn't do a good enough job at reading the room and acknowledging how many people are still suffering. They tried way too hard to appeal to centrists (who will virtually always vote conservative anyway) instead of appealing to the Leftists. That said. I do absolutely blame the morons who didnt vote or voted third party.
Raygereio
You can support your representative, while still holding them accountable for their actions and wanting them to do better.
That's something called "democracy". You may have heard of it. You're advocating for slavish obedience. Fuck that bullshit instead.
damogen
You sure knocked down that strawman. I said nothing about slavish obedience.
The first step of holding representatives accountable is showing up to vote. THAT is democracy. Americans failed to do that.
Raygereio
Also let's not forget that ICE and CBP in general say massive expansion under Biden and Obama. None of that shit popped into existence from out of nowhere a year ago.
The road the current republican party is walking on, was paved by the democrats. And that is something you do need to hold them accountable for. There's no other way to actually fix the shit the USA is in otherwise.
pixelsnader
Horseshit. Bush started and grew it. Under Obama it leveled out. Trump expanded. Biden saw a significant but temporary reduction. Trump is currently exploiting them.
AWdeV
"Biden administration was full on progressive"
it was not.
But that's beside the point and I think you know that full well.
damogen
Largest enivronmental bill in world history. Going after rich tax evaders. Largest infrastructure bill in US history. Student debt relief. Capped drug prices and those are just the highlights.
Eddyrock
Those are great and I wholeheartedly support them, it doesn’t make him a progressive though.
Just a more rational right winger (which he is).
damogen
If making actual progressive policies doesn't make him progressive then what does?
Eddyrock
I’m not going to hash things out about Biden because I’m not taking about him, I’m talking about the party the leadership inside the apparatus that is the Democratic Party. How in recent history they have refused to give their constituents the person they voted for in the primaries. First Sanders in 2016 and then Biden in 2024.
Now I myself completely understand 2024 for obvious reasons, but for many they were pissed because the DEMs had “done it again.”
damogen
10 years ago, the DNC didn't immediately throw their entire support behind a lifelong independent who only registered as a democrat in the last second before the election?
Is that seriously still the excuse you are using? Seriously?
Eddyrock
I’m not trying to vilify the DEMs. Merely point out that both parties are playing a role in this mess.
Plus you’re kinda writing off a major issue. I know several MAGA and 3 of them are former Bernie bros.
Also about 20 years ago they had a majority in both the House and Senate, they were begged to put women’s rights into the constitution. They refused saying it was “unnecessary” and they needed to “keep their powder dry.”
damogen
Dude... 20 years ago... Are you serious? That is 2 economic crisis, 1 pandemic, 3 Trump elections and 4 major wars ago. Things have fucking changed.
bekkayya
the biden admin refused to acknowledge a genocide and then ran a losing campaign on refusing to acknowledge a genocide. Is that what progressive means? Does it mean intentionally softballing criminal trials? Does it mean enshrining the functions and funding of the gestapo for future generations of fascists? What EXACTLY the fuck does being a "progressive" even mean to you.
damogen
I'm talking actual policy. Largest enivronmental bill in world history. Going after rich tax evaders. Largest infrastructure bill in US history. Student debt relief. Capped drug prices and those are just the highlights.
With their hands tied behind their back, they still gave you 90% of what you asked for. It's a god damn fucking miracle they got anything passed at all. And you can only talk about the 10% they didn't do.
FrancsTireur
Not the largest environmental bill in world history, not even the largest environmental bill proposed by a US politican. Going after rich tax evaders... which ones? The ones in his own party or a select few he thought he could get away with. Capped drug prices on drugs which in the richest nation on earth should be free.
He also looked the other way while police forces roughed up and illegally detained student protesters. Support for genocide was mandatory under Biden.
damogen
If you don't know what we're talking about, then you can just ask. There is no need to embarrass yourself like that.
wqpsu
let's not forget forcing a contract on the railway unions after their membership had already voted to reject it. nothing more progressive than attacking labor.
phalanxausage
The biggest threat to Republican power is opposition unity. That's why shit like this gets amplified. When Republicans are in trouble, we see a lot more criticism of Democrats.
bekkayya
we've been criticizing them along the exact same axis this entire time, you just happen to be paying attention and care now.
DukePhelan
The point is that by not voting for Harris Gaza is now safe and free./s
You people are so focused on party purity that you gave that nation to trump and Co. and continue to try to spread dissent amongst the political left in the US.
It's almost as if that's the plan.
bekkayya
Yeah dude. I'm a fucking russian agent because I dont like the cop that ran on a "more cops please" platform. The cop who abandoned her campaign because she figured her actual voting base was a shoin so started going to conservative rallies for huggies. I voted for her you piece of shit, not that that will get through any of your thick skulls.
DukePhelan
Congratulations, you're in the top 10% of your party purists. I can respect voting for the lesser of two evils since that seems to be all we have for a choices around here.
However many somehow read Harris not condemning Israel (which is a death note in American politics) as somehow an excuse to not vote for her or to vote for trump to 'teach the dems a lesson'. How would you evaluate such actions and its consequences?
UnhelpfulAnswers
Who said Gaza would be safe and free by not voting for Harris? It's almost like you have to make shit up to justify your idiocy. Nothing happening in Gaza right now would have changed if Biden or Harris won. But hey keep voting for genociders and blame others for losing... Have fun losing again in 2028
DukePhelan
You smell like Moscow. At least, I hope you are paid well to act this stupid.
ilovetraveler
Netanyahu wholly supported Trump. That should tell you all you need to know. Maybe you have to pretend it wouldnt be any different so you can justify your poor decision making. Username is accurate, though it should say unhelpful, asinine answers instead.
m0problems
Sorry, but what? I don't know what universe you're living in, but Bernie lost the 2016 primary. I've never even heard anyone dispute this. That he *should* have won and he would have beaten Trump, which is certainly possible, but not that he *did* win...
Frankasti
the GOP platform for the 2024 election was basically paying influencers to shit on democrats on social media. A ton of people believed that Harris (they called her Kamala actually, not Harris) was going to be worse than Trump economically. It fucking worked. They just kept on going for the midterms. Now you have an openly fascist government peddling propaganda AND highly upvoted comments about how the opposition is to blame in a super progressive community. You're fucked guys.
applesforjuice
He was so popular the party freaked out and started burying him. They pushed Clinton super hard, and did absolutely everything they could to make people forget Bernie existed. There are leaked emails where they flat out say they need to make sure Clinton wins the primary and Bernie can't.
wandermanspacebot
Interesting way of saying, "Bernie got his ass handed to him in the primaries and it wasn't even close".
MulliganStew
I normally point to the fact that Bernie got absolutely REJECTED by black and brown voters. But at the end of the day, populists dominate imgur, so you will never get an objective take on the 2016 election here.
aflarge
Nobody thinks they tampered with the votes, it's more about the DNC's open, systematic support of Clinton and active opposition to Sanders. It wasn't Sanders vs Clinton, it was Sanders vs the DNC
IssacOppenheimer
Yes, Bernie was the best candidate and ran as an outsider. He agreed to the delegate rules, and lost by the fair implementation of those rules. Bernie faced systemic disadvantages, BUT he was not cheated.
that's why my one critique is that the original post calling democrats part of the problem "stripping Bernie of a win", makes them sound remotely comparable to Trump's attempts to rig elections. The DNC is flawed, but it's also dangerous to forget that they are infinitely better than GOP.
bekkayya
"he lost due to the fair implementation of unfair rules" yeah that about sums up democrats for you. infinity is a LONG way, lets not start sucking their dick because they stepped over the bar in hell
aflarge
Systematic disadvantages, not systemic. There is a difference, and it's important.
whoatherebigfella
Infinitely better or just a little better?
IssacOppenheimer
Depends on the metrics. MILLIONS of citizens uplifted/protected by Democrat assistance programs/healthcare/civil rights, HUNDREDS of times better on crime in office and lies, FIFTY times better at job creation since WWII and times more votes forcing Epstein files, 10 times better at not causing recessions, etc. (Of course, combining/multiplying those ratios explodes the score difference.)
Also, someone could count president "child rapists" or "who advocated against democracy" as 0:1 infinities.
applesforjuice
You know what's also dangerous? Screaming about the GOP every single time someone mentions the DNC isn't perfect. We are criticizing both. Maybe half of a percent of the time, we criticize the democrats instead of just criticizing republicans. Inevitability, someone says "bOtH SidEs" like this stupid ass comment. Yes we fucking know republicans are the worst. We can still criticize democrats for not being effective
IssacOppenheimer
Did you misread my post? You agreed with the contents while calling it a stupid ass comment.
1. I agreed the "DNC isn't perfect" and I criticized both sides, while pointing out nuances of their sins.
2. I also didn't yell "bOtH SidEs" like you accused me. That is antithetical to distinguishing the differences between sides.
shehdbeuebw738373
There's a huge difference between "Let's make sure we vote in primaries to get more leftists in. In the general, vote for the best candidate who will almost certainly be a Democrat even if they're corporate" and "The Democrats are fascist controlled opposition and working with Republicans'