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Nov 15, 2017 6:57 PM
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nipplepanties
I can't do that because of YOUR religion (living in the middle east)
FancyPalahniukQuote
UpvoteTotem
Where's this from
FancyPalahniukQuote
Game of thrones.
pj0tr
Yes, a thousand times yes!
KipperCatSnack
can someone explain this to pro-lifers?
Nographer
Nah, you can't kill gay people or marry children no matter what.
grai
religious people are easily the most irritating morons on the planet for soooh many reasons
grai
you can tell it's an American website look at all the fundamentalist christians downvoting lmfao
battlepants
Once exception to the first one: If you signed a contract saying that you will do something, you are required to do it regardless of beliefs
battlepants
If your beliefs stop you from performing your job, don't take the job.
KingCornish
metalfoto
Exactly
flavivsaetivs
This is literally how Pastafarianism became a thing.
frizzyhairdontcare
I went to Catholic school and we had to take a mandatory year of World Religions. It was pretty neat to see how others live their faith.
KraftyKev
Everyone seems to think catholic schools only teach Catholicism
iwanttomountndewya
I don't think it should be taught in K-12 but a religious studies in college. That way its adults making a decision on their beliefs.
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
Except their parents probably disagree and teach their own beliefs as fact. By the time they get to college, many people will be too far
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
Down the line to question what they were taught. They need to implement philosophy into the k-12 education system.
ElephantKid
pff. "U.S.A"... you and your constitution....no religion in schools...
Spongybunny
We might SAY they're separate, but they're not. More and more attacks on secular teachings, especially in the south and conservative areas.
ElephantKid
Oh i know. And with that woman that trump chose to be head of education that gave a shitload of tax payer money to religius schools...
ElephantKid
But. You can still choose. Where i live. Without a religion class. Yoy cant finish the 12 years of shcool education.
ElephantKid
)And not just "show up". You get testwd on it after the 12 years. Just like math or science.)
whyWontKeiraKnightleyReturnMyPhoneCalls
I was surprised to learn they're NOT. I learned about Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity and Catholicism in HS. It wasn't a big deal...
whyWontKeiraKnightleyReturnMyPhoneCalls
I don't REMEMBER any of it, but you know....
Enoan
Middle school for me, the story of Jesus wasn't on the schedule or materials, but over half of our Rome unit was about Jesus.
whyWontKeiraKnightleyReturnMyPhoneCalls
Right? you'd have to have some weak-ass grip on your faith to think just learning about another religion's gonna make someone's kid convert.
biglongandgirthyusername
Such a simple concept yet people cant seem to do it
HolocaustAcknowledger
not when they are right
snarflex
It's not a simple concept at all! Govt is all about people doing things to other people. You either have anarchic nature or "beliefs".
LiteralFish
You just need to stop seeing the protection of people's freedom as the taking away of their attacker's "freedom" to attack.
DaedaIus
"You can't tell me not to own slaves because of your religion"
biglongandgirthyusername
I could tell you not to have slaves because thats a stupid fucking idea though
DaedaIus
My fields aren't going to tend themselves, and Gaul is right there incase I ever need more.
JunkMonk
You can't beat your wife because of my beliefs
LiteralFish
Because forcing someone not to take away another's freedom is totally taking their freedom.
Cheesecakecrush
Its not about religion or beliefs, its about control. Some desperately want to control the people around them, others don't.
snarflex
That's more like big govt vs small govt, though. The "it's my body" crowd is also frequently the "you're paying for my abortion" crowd.
DickDastardly404
A lot of people’s beliefs and religions specifically mention that they should try to prevent people from doing certain things. I don’t 1/2
DickDastardly404
Agree with it, but this is not a broadly agreed-upon point, so that’ll be why most people don’t abide. 2/2
biglongandgirthyusername
it's an unspoken rule that overrides religion, if yourbelieve you need to control someone's life then your religion is objectively wrong
DickDastardly404
yeah, but you missing my point that a lot of people disagree with that. It doesn't matter if it's objective or anything like that, you 1/2
DickDastardly404
aren't dealing with people who care about objectivity. 2/2
HypnoChanger
A lot of the time, it comes down to complicity; people think that if they don't try to stop others from doing a thing, they are complicit 1/
HypnoChanger
in the thing being done, and are thus partly responsible. It's bullshit, but a lot of people think this way.
iwanttomountndewya
I think there is some complication where something person A is doing is against person Bs religion and B does not want A to go to hell
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
B needs to mind their own business. I'm allowed to go to hell if I want to.
iwanttomountndewya
I know, just offering a perspective that is good intentioned but often badly executed
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
Word.
RobErtE87
Not entirely simple, at least not without ambiguity. How about YOU can't put pork into the stew because you're serving it to a muslim group
ElephantKid
You can. But you'll be a cunt to do so.
RideTheStimutacs
That would still be "I can't eat this because of my religion".
zsefvgb
Are you serving the group? Or your roup and some happen to be muslim
thegreatalan
All food should have all ingredients listed concisely and standardized. That way they can choose if they want it based off ingredients.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
I know, right? Being respectful of my peers and friends is fucking exhausting! Why can't I just not care about anyone else ever?!?
TheJonatron
Just a pork, bro. Just a pork!
zamielvanweber
TBF for a lot of people it also means you lose the ability to feel good about bullying and victimizing them.
BarryBadger
Very simple actually. You CAN serve pork to muslims, but they wont eat it and it would offend them.
biglongandgirthyusername
Its very simple it goes both ways "dont force others to break their beliefs and dont force them to follow yours" common sense, i think
theHitchenator
Or it could be “you can’t serve pork without stating it to be that and if you’re serving to those who don’t eat it provide another option”
FisterMantastic
See, as my father would say, "Be careful, you're slipping into logic."
RobErtE87
gotta use that uncommon sense when making up unwritten laws :)
theHitchenator
Same could be said for all meat tbf.
Lasgo
What about conflicting situations? What then?
mikeatike
Give an example.
maholt
Welp, anal it is then
Allofyoush
You can't do that because of my anal sensitivity
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theboringusername
So would the Backstreet Boys.
ISleptWithSomeoneFromImgurAndAllIGotWasThisStupidUsername
FUCK ME IN THE ASS EBCAUSE O LOVE JESUS
GreedyJungle
English motherfucker! Do you speak it?!
gaaaaalavant
Relevant (and hilarious) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZF_R_j0OY
pterodactylptime
Damn, that almost too uncomfortably awkward to watch.
Squagglewaggle
Knew what it was before clicking the link. Clicked anyways
gazamon
One in the bum, no harm done.
SilentMajority420
Nah.
ZKrock
Try to force a rhyme, doesn't work too well...time.
ChuckTingleBattlesTheAssGoblinsofAuschwitz
Rhyming 'bout the anus. Whose gonna blame us?
ZKrock
There once was a woman from China, who really liked looking at wieners. Huh huh huh huh huh.
TallLightnHandsome
Valid. You can also replace the word "religion" with "beliefs" and it's still true.
Shirodono
u could also replace 'religion' with 'tacos', it makes much more sens
Dingus2
Actually, I'd argue that it's a deliberate and dishonest omission not to do so.
Khaotix11
Pretty much goes for any ideology, really.
ForMyOwnAmusement
so what about company CEO's that don't believe in climate change?
theycallmeMrGlass
Beliefs, feelings, opinion. Any of these would work.
TyrionLannisterTheImp
You're right, I believe vaccines cause autism. So I'm not vaccinating my 14 kids!
NurietaGM
Except this is a terrible counterpoint because you are not legislating your own well-being but a third party’s: in this case your child.
JayEnfield
Or "finances"
YamatoIouko
Mostly valid. When it comes to your partner, there's a little bit more weight to your beliefs on them, and vice versa.
snarflex
And yet it's still meaningless. Laws don't spring up fully formed on parchment, someone had to "believe" something somewhere.
SepticStorm
or with "I'm offended"
thiscannotpossiblygowrong
You're right! I believe it's bad to dump radioactive waste on my neighbor's lawn, but that doesn't mean I should tell you not to do that!
chardlz
"You can't kill people because it's against my beliefs" isn't valid? It's almost like this discussion is more complex than a meme
Dingus2
Actually, it's not. That's why it's not the basis of our laws. That's why police carry firearms.
chardlz
Enlighten me, then, what is the basis of our laws other than collective belief?
Dingus2
The man with the gun makes the rules.
chardlz
mate what?
pyrince
That is not true vecause some beliefs are worth inforcing... Like dont rape murder and so on. That boils down to what you believe in.
Pawnderlust
That's not really belief it's more of a social law. Most societies see killing another person as bad
mikeatike
Golden rule doesn't require religion.
TallLightnHandsome
Everyone lives by a system of beliefs, ideas that they believe to be true about the world. Some use religion, some use other sources.
oscillatingdogfan
This is why there are agreed upon societal laws written and enforceable. You can’t rape is a societal and enforceable law. You can’t
ladias11
Well said
chardlz
But what is societally acceptable, even laws, are literally just a conglomeration of beliefs being forced upon the mass of the population
chardlz
When gay marriage wasn't legal was it the righteous and morally acceptable because it was a law not a belief?
oscillatingdogfan
You are correct. Right and wrong are social constructs constantly evolving. That’s why these are such necessary conversations to have
oscillatingdogfan
have sex before marriage is a belief. Some of these things were enforceable laws that changed as societies definition of socially acceptable
oscillatingdogfan
and fair has changed (slavery abolished, integration, women voting, prohibition of various substances, gay marriage, etc.). The over
oscillatingdogfan
arching example you provided is inherently false and discounts the importance of law VS beliefs. Just because you believe something does not
Hotord
This is why religious people piss me off
njorunn
Same here.. I don't believe religion have a place in the future of humanity, at least not the mainstream religions today.
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
I agree. Belief in a primordial creator is unnecessary illogical, but harmless, so long as it doesn't contradict fact or affect others.
IvanStroganoff
This attitude is a major reason why people are driven away from organized religion.
snarflex
Progressive culture is an intellectual wasteland, give me a philosophical tradition that's produced stable societies any day of the week.
DaedaIus
Damn religion doesn't want me owning slaves. How could they?
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
I think the "I can't do this because of my religion" is what drives people away from organised religion, not the "you can't do this" part.
khazaria
Also disorganized ones.
flavivsaetivs
To be fair I think more people are driven away by the proselytism of protestant/reformation sects and American evangelicalism.
Cyzyk
I'm more driven away from any religion with a caste system. Protestants are largely OK for being wrong.
flavivsaetivs
By comparison, Catholicism and Orthodoxy have been far more progressive and comparatively laid back in their proselytist speech.
shantoloki
Bakery: i can not bake a gay cake because of my religion = ok.
AngryDesigner
Yeah, that is okay.
tundrasaurus
"k, but oral is moral, right?" - top guy prolly
EvilStarLegacy
We can all be nice to each other too. "My religion forbids this. I would appreciate if you didn't do it in my presence" isn't a bad question
touchednotbyanangel
Oral is moral
Exoticz
Also relevant with mandatory gender pronouns. Forced speech is completely different from prohibited speech (although I'm against both)
alpinej0e
This is very useful for the UK at the moment. People are boycotting a major retailer for daring to show Muslims in their Christmas advert.
TheManWhoFartsInYourGeneralDirection
Muslims don't celebrate Christmas
somerandomtwat
some still celebrate Christmas but as a non-religious Holiday just like atheists
alpinej0e
There is an alarming number of people in this country who do not understand this.
DrQuack1
Literally as a christian I have NEVER said that. Where in the world are you getting these examples? I love people not agree with them.
thehoesenone
Unfortunately for Islam, this second is one of the most important aspects of their Religion, it's called nahy ʿan al munkar
n0n53n53
They have that in Christianity too. It's called Christianity
cyno01
First ones still a problem when its your job.
DaedaIus
"Your job is to kill these Jews Hans, I don't care what you believe."
somerandomtwat
then get a different job (also can you give a example of that happening? (genuine question))
cyno01
Pharmacists refusing to dispense certain medications (birth control).
somerandomtwat
were does it say you cant sell birth control? (and again they can just get another job)
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
People associate immoral activity with illegal activity. People therefore want their understanding of immorality reflected in the law.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
It's a bad, bad, BAD idea (most morality isn't universal, and illegal only sorta correlates with immoral), but that ain't gonna stop people.
DaedaIus
Catholic idea of "natural law" vs "Divine positive law" isn't widely held.
MachineInterface
"I can't murder people, it's against my moral code" > ok, "you can't murder people, it's against my moral code" > not ok.
somerandomtwat
thats not religion based that logic based (and for the common good) so its not comparable
smoothoprater
Monotheistic religions didn't come up with the idea that murder is bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu
AsSeenByMacaroni
Yeah that enters the territory of common good
enybi
The counterpoint is "I want to be murdered" vs "I want to murder you", you're again imposing your worldview on others
mathewgreenwood
How about "You can't have sex with that 17 year old even though both of you consent"? Or society is not free of imposing wold views.
LiteralFish
They did NOT officially consent. We have ruled that they are not capable of truly understanding what they said yes to.
AsSeenByMacaroni
Because the majority decided that's not okay. Welcome to democracy, aka consensual anarchy
mathewgreenwood
I understand that. I'm saying that moral codes are imposed on people, and that it's not always a bad thing. This post is talking like it is.
Sdogofdoom
That moral code is imposed upon people below the age of 18 because they are not considered fully developed mentally, at least, IMO.
mathewgreenwood
our*
AsSeenByMacaroni
But an occasional, consensual " i won't have that because you are on a diet" is a nice gesture if its a friend, but not required
AsSeenByMacaroni
For example (for those downvoting me), at dinner with a friend who recently stopped drinking. I choose not to have the wine this time
Traja01
Nothing wrong with accommodating someone's beliefs, if you're so inclined. It can be a gesture of respect or support, as you say.
Kubjorn
See there's a difference between "I won't do this because you can't/won't" and "You can't do that because I can't/won't".
AsSeenByMacaroni
Correct. Which is why i said words like consensual, respect, and friend
Kubjorn
My comment was mostly directed to the fuckface who downvoted you. But i ran low on characters and was too lazy to continue. :)
AsSeenByMacaroni
Fair enough
JifLover
Just out of curiosity: What if someone wants to interject a belief that's antithetical into someone's religion and they object?
JifLover
I.E. someone says I'm orthodox Jewish but I should be able to eat pork, shellfish, cheese&meat at work on a Friday night? Should Jewish...
JifLover
people be able to object to that behavior from someone who is attributing orthodoxy to non-orthodox practices? and potentially influencing
JifLover
others to do the same?
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
No. Let people do whatever the fuck they want, if it doesn't harm anybody else.
mikeatike
Wtf are you saying? Are you an adult? Then eat it not eat whatever you want.
JifLover
So just screw it, no religion, rules are for fools, discipline? morals? ethics? What are those?! I'm an adult. You're right.
JifLover
But just for fun, let's just see some poor idiot who doesn't hate everything answer the question as it's posed. I'm with you though. *pound*
Zerogates
Not so simple, otherwise "I can't give you a gay marriage certificate because of my Religion" becomes valid and I doubt that's intended here
AngryDesigner
You shouldn’t be able to force a minister to marry a gay couple.
OrionRed
Oh no! I don't want to remember Kim Davis again!!!
chiefs86
Unless you specifically signed up for a job, and the requirements are "You have to give marriage certificates to anyone who applies."
chiefs86
(2) Cause then you're just being a douche and should get fired.
Zerogates
My point is that it's an oversimplified picture that is stupid and lazy and doesn't actually resolve any moral issue.
bumCandle
If YOU can't do that because of YOUR religion then YOU can't work here
Zerogates
This picture isn't a law, it's a lazy approach, which is my point, it's stupid and oversimplifies things.
bumCandle
Oh yeah I agree
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
Except in this case you're still preventing somebody from doing something because of your beliefs. It is your job to give them a marriage
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
certificate. The picture is saying that not doing something because of your religion (if it only affects you) is fine. It's stupid, but fine
Zerogates
1) That's the thing, she didn't prevent them from getting married, I believe the issue was a law that prevented the couple from
Zerogates
2) getting married outside of that county. If not, in order to conform with OP's image, the gay couple should have married in another county
Zerogates
3) and it boils down to law itself being the main moral problem. That said, she was an idiot for not stamping a paper and marrying them.
SushiShits
What if I don’t want to bake a cake?
BetterKnownAsJasonDarket
Well then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5KxZ5Lc_YA
Traja01
If you want to run a business, you have to play by the rules. If you don't want to play by the rules, that's fine, no business for you.
Traja01
Would you feel the same if I said "it's against my religion to comply with food safety codes"? Because it's no different, legally.
snarflex
Or fund your abortion?
PerkyPineapple
That one's not going to fly unfortunately
themouse1hero
but its a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake
unsmith
Then don't bake it. Or, bake it and sell it, but you don't get to decide what the buyer does with it, because it's not yours.
snarflex
discrimination against an event (not a protected group), not discrimination against people. 2/2
snarflex
The folks who are in trouble were more than willing to sell anyone a cake at anytime, what they got in trouble for was 1/2
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OrcSkinSuit
You should remove the Hitchen part of your name. Arguments that terrible should have no association with Christopher.
theHitchenator
The name is unrelated to Christopher Hitchens, and the argument was purposefully shit - meant to be tongue in cheek
nommon
In that terrible example, you can stop them from doing so in your business, but not at their own home. Also, that's a terrible example.
theHitchenator
The example was purposefully shit, meant to be tongue-in-cheek. *grumble* something about intonation and text formats *grumble*
PhilMcrevice
When I buy a music CD, there are still laws that prevent me from doing certain things with it, yet I OWN that CD...
unsmith
Well as far as I know you can't copyright a cake, so your example doesn't apply here.
PhilMcrevice
Fudgie the Whale, you're whale cum...
Remainder
At my aunt's funeral recently, the pastor used it as an excuse to lecture strangers for 45 minutes instead of eulogizing. :(
mikeatike
The pastor at my brother's wedding is a friend but knows we are atheists now. No religious bullshit during the ceremony.
mikeatike
Some are cool some are not.
Remainder
He also said at one point the exact line "The best we can be is sheep" and half the people there responded with an "Amen." :(
mikeatike
I made it quite clear that "she is in a better place" was unacceptable.
flyingmonsters
Need more context on that to make a judgment call
Remainder
It was in reference to the metaphor of Jesus being our shepherd. But... what's the point of being given free will if the highest we can aim
Remainder
is a creature that can only survive by being blindly guided? :(
flyingmonsters
What do you mean by "blindly guided"?
Traja01
You need to give him feedback on that. Totally inappropriate. Tell him that you'll be telling friends and family about this.
Remainder
Wouldn't work. It's too ingrained in the culture here. My family would be 100% on his side. Honestly, the late aunt likely would have too.
Traja01
:( damn dude.
SequoiaHughes
That made me chuckle—sorry. Sometimes the masses are what they are and all u can do is zen thru knowing it’ll make a good story some day...
flyingmonsters
I see nothing wrong with that. I mean mention the person here or there but a homily/sermon isnt meant to be a eulogy
Remainder
Would have been more understandable to me if he'd chosen scriptures related to heaven, or to how she specifically lived her life, etc. IMO
Remainder
As it was, he quoted seemingly random Bible passages telling the people there how to be good Christians. I just wanted it to have been
Remainder
primarily about the deceased. A pastor here gets 3 sermons/week already: Sunday morning, evening, and Wednesday evening. Also Sunday school.