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According to the polls. Majority of americans feel ok about the ban from muslim countries. I don't think terrorism is that large problem but muslims integrate poorly which creates a large problem for the countries they move in to.
ForTheRepublic212th
Now they are using "an" wrong
adv963302000
As a german who grew up with muslim refugees, all of you making this about the religion are full of shit
AngryGroundhog
Majority of Americans don't UNDERSTAND the ban, making the polls rather silly: https://youtu.be/sJYTj-VI_L8
Sionas
Some integrate poorly. I know plenty that have integrated quite well like myself. While others stay fairly close to the community.
Sionas
Over time I think most people will end up assimilated, but not in the context of our short lives.
inaplasticcup
*a European
lurkingnooby
After living about 30 years in germany (im from china) i personal feel like muslim are way better integrated in society than racist/idiots.
AgonyZ
I'm German. I currently work with immigrants. I think that Germany has a good grasp on immigration. Not every European nation is up to it.
rostit
Majority of americans do not feel that way....
dmol
Youre right. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/140384/donald-trump-slightly-popular-very-unpopular-executive-orders
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
Well America is huge so concentrated resettlements aren't an issue like they'd be in Europe. Plus people deserve to not die in Syria.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Additionally the amount the US accepted is ridiculous small anyway.
AManWhoWasntThere
As a European and conservative (somehow) the number of Anti Muslims is too damn high (sadly)
Iselinsaywhat
Integration has everything to do with available help to do so and very little to do with religion.
kumisz
Available help doesn't automatically integrates. The will to be integrated needs to be present as well. 1/2
kumisz
2/2 Without that, people who should be integrated just milk the state to no ends, and go on with self-segregation, as seen across Europe.
Iselinsaywhat
Well sure but that has little to do with religion and much to do with the person. Saying Muslims don't integrate is an unfair generalisation
excepttheoneswhoaredead
You wanna talk about poor integration? How about the hassidic Jewish community?
ThatFellow
[muffled German speech in the distance]
Janusha
This is true. Jews never integrate. But they arent on the streets begging either.
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excepttheoneswhoaredead
people started expecting certain types of cuisine in those areas. might sound odd, but that's NYC's kind of economy
unicornbbq
I hate it when Irish people get drunk on st Paddy's day. Utter nonsense
MidiArbite
Hassids are weird, but their bloodline-focused view of Judiasm means they don't try to spread their backwards values to gentiles.
MidiArbite
(And also means they will eventually inbreed themselves to extinction)
excepttheoneswhoaredead
not even, recent generations often leave the community
MidiArbite
There's also that, provided they don't come back as adults with outside spouses it's still gonna end them.
userabc
Almost everyone I know agree with the ban and I am Canadian.
FabulousBadass
They are not assimilating well here in Canada either. Keep wanting to change our laws.
christopherwalkenslegs
1/2 Canada is the most restrictive country in terms of immigration I've ever known, so I'm not surprised. And the only canadian I knew was
christopherwalkenslegs
2/2 a massive fucking racist. And from her facebook feed I got the feeling that it was fairly common. That said. I don't care about the ban
christopherwalkenslegs
*a european
FaithAlone
I imagine people from the Middle East would be thrilled to not have their homes blown up. But hey, not you problem right?
dabomb23
Why should it be someone else's problem?
FaithAlone
Because, compassion, humanity, empathy, doing what most religions say to do. I understand if those aren't good enough reasons for some folk.
dabomb23
Those are fine values, but again why is the burden on other people's shoulders? The world isn't a homeless shelter, it's a business. 1/
dabomb23
If a country isn't gaining anything from immigrants in terms of progress and efficiency, why help at all? 2/
CyclePathe
A small part of the problem is creating pockets of any single group, not integrating with the host and then complaining.
Porksterbob
In Singapore, most people live in government built housing. The housing developments have to match the ethnic ratios of the whole country
kumisz
Not like the governments have any saying in where the immigrating people move or don't move in the country, though.
iLoveToCombineGifs
i work in a asylium center and i dont know anyone who doesnt want to learn our language and culture, doesnt matter if they are muslims ornot
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
i've recently seen a report about refugees in germany not finishing their government-funded German lessons. the agency that funds it still >
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> calls it a success but refuses to publish the statistics ...
iLoveToCombineGifs
im not from germany and we give classes intern with voluntary teachers
TheDeadWillWalkInMyMemes
I'm noticing that the only people who are on the immigration side are those that've never lived it.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
In my experience the areas with the highest immigration count are quite left wing orientated. Also the areas i like to live in.
spicefreak
I live in a largely muslim neighbourhood in england. I grew up with them and love their traditional food.
mendelde
The reverse is true: statistically, opposition to immigration is strongest in those areas that have the smallest share of immigrants.
TheDeadWillWalkInMyMemes
That's true too.
mendelde
Xenophobia is often a result of facing the unknown, and remedied by actually getting to know those you feared.
VintronTheExonite
Let's just generalize some more, shall we.
mynamesbryson
Well it seems as though OP has first hand experience in dealing with it, so he can tell us about HIS experience and its ok.
VintronTheExonite
I've had pleasant conversations with many at the college bookstore I work at, and no one seems better integrated than anyone else.
VintronTheExonite
Calling out Muslims is fucking rediculous.
Athferion
*ridiculous
VintronTheExonite
Tnx
StrawberrySamurai
Tis be true. They suck at changing. Majority of them dont even bother to learn the langauge in a country.
bezuer
the same applies to every minority living in an area largely populated by ppl speaking their own language -> chinatowns everywhere
SwedishRationalist
In Sweden we pay ppl to learn Swedish, but some people deliberately fail the final exams so they can stay in the course and keep getting $$$
madmardagan
That sort of behavior is coddled and encouraged in the US.
HIVpatientZero
Yeah cause we are like a notion of immigrants and shiz.
madmardagan
a whut now
HIVpatientZero
*nation
TheJazzGhost
US isn't about conformity into a traditional central culture. People are able to speak the language they want. We're a salad bowl, bro.
ziggymac
Oh the irony....
StrawberrySamurai
Köttbullar på dig, fam. I am Swedish.
AlwaysTrustTheManInABigWhiteVan
This is ironic only if StrawberrySamurai lives in an English-speaking country.
UncomfortableTruths
Shhh, let them think they know what irony means. It's hilarious.
IndustrialSolvent
* A European
BigFatSlut
Your're***
OverMyDadBody
*You're a peen eese
rickysagat
an halibut
IndustrialSolvent
Funny.
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Alexagon
Sorry, try again: http://www.english-for-students.com/European.html
SKELETONMAAAN
Never mind me, I had a huge brainfart
nalewhine
Y-sound is a consonant sound.
SKELETONMAAAN
That's what I've been saying yes
Alexagon
In that case, the fact that you wrote "it's 'an'" makes absolutely no sense.
SKELETONMAAAN
Damn it sure fucking doesn't. Unfortunate typo/brainfart, excuse me
earlywormy
*An, An is for referring to words with a vowel at the beginning
nalewhine
See my reply to your equally grammatically challenged friend.
Alexagon
I suggest you brush up on your grammar: http://www.english-for-students.com/European.html
heril
A vowel sound.
cousteau
Think about it for a hour to see if you can find counter-examples.
earlywormy
You've had the most mature response to a simple mistake.
YourThoughtsOnTransgenderIssuesAreReallyReallyImportantToMe
Imgur can always be counted on to find a way to rationalize and reconcile itself to restriction and authority. Usually takes about 48 hours.
HodorFirstOfHisName
It's not the citizens being restricted tho. And the government has always had this authority.
eternalposer
So you only extend basic human rights to fellow citizens? That's so fucked.
HodorFirstOfHisName
No one except US citizens has the right to enter the United States.
dabomb23
The US isn't the world's homeless shelter
Iamblaine
Im old enough to remember a time when the threat of terrorism in the UK came from the republic of Ireland, yet we didnt ban all the Irisg
punk1917
ya but the irish are white so they dont get generalised
joshuaiwjew
Because alot of them lived in Northern Ireland which as you know is in the UK.
Deswran
Makes you wonder what the Muslims have done to be treated worse than all the other terrorists we've faced in history.
krainir
Irish were natives there, for one
themilkmancometh
Well if you look at the history books this butting of heads has been going on for some time.
Knilore
The do more and breed faster. They are push by blind radicalized faith that everyone else is an infidel so there is no reasoning with them.
trinxter
Many U.S. Irish supported the IRA... sorry Brits!
Earlkay
FTFY many Americans with 1 Irish relation 4 generations ago
RadishIsAMeat
There's actually a large portion of imgur with extreme terrorist beliefs but because it's focused at the English it's apparently fine.
OverwhelmingNeedForSources
FTFY: Not* sorry Brits.
Vectorman2
Time to go shed a tear for the Queen, where's the closest urinal?
Earlkay
FTFY many Americans with 1 Irish relation 4 generations ago
350Zoidberg
I'm smart enough to know the US didn't ban all the Muslims.
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350Zoidberg
But it did ban every predominantly Muslim country right? Oh wait not even close, in fact the most Muslim countries aren't even mentioned.
Drasas
Would have been more intelligent to ban countries who have governments that have funded terroists. But then we'd have had to ban the Saudis.
350Zoidberg
/2 was actually provided by the previous administration.
350Zoidberg
My guess is they have more intelligence gathering than you do which is why they didn't consult you when coming up with the list. Which /1
TerribleBot
yep
and that's enough with that shit
PooPooSpaghetti
Remove kebab
NiceGirlRage
look at you posting a thing from 4chan! You must know the solution to everything then!
TerribleBot
nice, but I found this here, years ago ... (yep it's a repost!)
JPBStory
Yes, they all share the same opinion and all blame the same causes. How nuanced and thorough that research paper was. Thanks for sharing.
ItsRealTalk
Yeah, because US intervention hasn't historically made life worse in these areas and enabled a lot of the terrible shit that's happened /s
TerribleBot
OK, let's stop fighting there, and we'll get more refugees...
ItsRealTalk
The US literally armed and trained Al Qaeda and unwittingly enabled a lot of the terrorism that is making those refugees today.
TerribleBot
What do the US wait for stopping that ?
Impossibrew
TIL muslims are huge masochists.
UltimateBooty
I love the way "they" shifts from referring to muslims in general to ISIS unapolagetically. All muslims I know in America love it here 1/2
UltimateBooty
With an obvious exception of Trump and all the other fearmongered fuckwits whi want them dead 2/2
Ant4N
I'm pretty sure it's more like: they don't like the government and some traditions there (that's why they're persecuted) so they want to 1
Ant4N
Have the government fixed so it's more democratically like western countries. Those nations also tend to have more conflicts with others so2
Ant4N
3 yeah, I don't think this is right. Source: Muslim friends
LankyFrog
it definitely has nothing to do with the constant wars for oil and geostrategical interests of superpowers in these countries
TheGhostOfHarambe
For these guys, it never is. They'll blame the one thing that'll acquit their governments from their bullshit in the ME.
LankyFrog
http://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/
LankyFrog
the build up of an enemy runs since the end of the cold war and its astounding that it still works in times of the internet and free info
UncomfortableTruths
Wow, that's a lot of sweeping generalizations. If that's an American, I can't imagine who they voted for.
TerribleBot
Not american, Belgian here. Ever heard about our problems here ? Not as big as 9/11 but that shit must stop.
UncomfortableTruths
"Not as big as 9/11" that isn't really saying much. :P
TerribleBot
That bombing and killing of innocent people must stop.
UncomfortableTruths
Uh, no shit.
AlwaysTrustTheManInABigWhiteVan
Separating faith from governing and legislation could help the islamic countries immensely. Hell, it would help some christian countries too
TheMovieGalaxyQuest
According to their constitution, in Turkey there is complete seperation of religion and state.
TheDuke0fHazzard
Wise words from the trustworthy man in a van
Rusticshine
down by the river!
PieWillMakeYouDie
This! Look at Tunisia, they're a majority Muslim country, and they're very gender equal and rather progressive.
LankyFrog
secularisation efforts are undermined by the constant warfare and regime change efforts in these countries
dasbounty
Yeah, I heard Islam is really big on separating religion and state.
JudgeMentalCat
Wow it's almost as if all those countries you're shitting on are ruled by oppressive totalitarian regimes, and I'm sure western intervention
JudgeMentalCat
had NOTHING to do with that.
VodkaReindeer
So how did the west put Erdogan in power?
solsactual
*Crickets*
TheGhostOfHarambe
Are Turks leaving Turkey as refugees? Is their government unstable? Is Turkey on the brink of civil war?
VodkaReindeer
It sure was last summer.
TheGhostOfHarambe
A coup is not civil war.
VodkaReindeer
Also, neither OP not 4chan mentioned refugees, just immigration. And you can bet your ass there are Turkish immigrants in Europe.
TheGhostOfHarambe
There are immigrants from all over the world in Europe. My point is, Turks aren't leaving Turkey in the same way Syrians or Iraqis are.
ilsalta
Not without an integration plan, no. Canada assembled groups to aid refugees and we haven't had had any issues with them.
Galdrack
Exactly a lot of the time they get segregated which leads to immigration issues which causes people to not want it so they get worse funding
Galdrack
and so on it continues.
bedsound
We also get them from UN refugee camps rather than let them filter across the border after ignoring them for years
malakim
Not really an option if they migrate in the hundreds of thousands.
SadPaisley
Why?
TheMovieGalaxyQuest
One family next to hundred others will HAVE to integrate, so that works. But once it is thousands in one place, parallel societies start.
TheMovieGalaxyQuest
This is how ghettos and no-go areas start. It's a very different culture, so you have to disperse it, but the sheer numbers make that hard.
malakim
Even harder when you consider they all converge in the big cities like cologne, berlin, munich etc.
Spikelf
Wellll
BednaR
Canada cherry picked what they got...
Imstruttinmyasslikeidontcare
Just take a look of the requirements to get a visa for Canada... if EU countries dared to do that they would be labelled as fachists.
JapAnus
Wan't there a shooting several days ago?
zouzouzed
Canada is certainly not a great example. Weve had plenty of problems with muslim refugees so far. Esspecially consodering the military bases
ilsalta
Sauce? I haven't heard this.
zouzouzed
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/world/canada/justin-trudeau-trump-refugee-ban.amp.html
zouzouzed
http://www.citynews.ca/2015/12/09/exclusive-canada-has-enough-problems-refugee-opponents-say-poll/
zouzouzed
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/sudden-influx-of-syrian-refugees-overwhelmed-n-b-high-school-documents/
zouzouzed
https://www.google.ca/amp/news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/federal-government-spent-6-million-upgrading-military-bases-for-syrian-refugees-
JapAnus
Wan't there a shooting several days ago?
ilsalta
You mean the shooting by a white Canadian national?
Charlielicious
TBH there are always going to be issues and some culture clash. But it doesn't mean stop trying.
HelloMax
To be honest it hasn't been that long yet.
themuttonisniceandlean
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-north-america-and-europe-5846.html
BeingForTheBenifitOfMrKite
they dont assimilate, so you either bend to their will or you have little splinter groups in opposition to the host nation.
freezing00k
Anyone that doesn't assimilate can bend or splinter, doesn't mean they have to. Heck we Americans are the same too~ cheers
davidsarif
Such an ridiculous generalisation
freezing00k
Dunno why you got downvoted. What you say has complete merit.
davidsarif
User sub is full of alt right morons, you tend to get downvoted here then get upvoted later as the post snowballs
TimbiquiDarkThirty
Right! How dare they practice freedom of religion, speak in their natural languages, and feel like they have their backs against the wall!
TimbiquiDarkThirty
...after constant pressure and hatred
DrShrinker
That is my favorite Beatles song.
OliverClothesoff70
Same could be said for a LOT of Mexican people. I'm from Texas. We have large areas of ALL major cities where all billboards are in Spanish.
AB2359
True. But to be fair, Mexican culture is a lot closer to "mainstream" U.S. culture than is the culture of Muslim immigrants.
tootscootinboogie
I'm from Texas too and I enjoy the Spanish billboards. I'm by no means fluent, but growing up with the language has helped my pronunciation
OliverClothesoff70
I find it a little weird but don't blame any biz for trying to appeal to their customers. The point was & is about assimilation. That's all.
tootscootinboogie
I totally agree. Similar thing when you go to Cancun and all the menus at tourist spots are in English.
cujo67
Dude, 'Taco Bell' are English words bro
DarthKratos
Texas was part of Mexico in the past and a lot of the culture of Texas comes from Mexico.
OliverClothesoff70
True, but that isn't what I'm talking about at all. Texas is a state in the USA, not in Mexico. It's weird to not be able to read ads here.
DarthKratos
yeah must be pretty weird.
hechicera84
That was back in the 1880's ... for real
shhep
Do you have any source for the fact that muslim immigrants don't assimilate at all? Because that sounds unlikely.
uzerok
Some do, but then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWAIKoatWM
DontGiveAFudge
Obv hyperbolic, but there is plenty of anthropological evidence to the cultural tight community family groups formed in Middle East
mendelde
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/a-portrait-of-muslim-americans/
Kuebiko
1/2 No, just all the stories of them running their own courts base on their own laws. But none of the stories of those who to fit in.
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Kuebiko
There's been plenty of reports of groups running own courts based on Sharia law to sort out justice, brought up quite a bit to cause fear.
shhep
I mean... news stories would be really boring if they portrayed people who do nothing wrong.
Kuebiko
So to the 'common' person it sounds like they're all like that... What people scout every friendly muslim family for sensationalist news.
Deiterhaman
Generally hold my tongue, but BS. Failing to integrate has nothing to do with religion. I know muslims who are more 'murica than I am
CaptainMinnette
The ones that come to America are generally willing to integrate. However in Europe they cluster and impose mini sharia law
wadatahmydamie
Basically any Muslim who actually wants to live here with all the bullshit they've gotta put up with is more American than I am
Deiterhaman
+1. One I know is named "Osama", born early 80s, well before that shitbag started killing. He has to endure shit every day I'm sure
IAmAngry
so he changed the "S" in his name?
Deiterhaman
He goes by "Sam", though he said his friends fuck with him when going thru security and use his given name.
IAmAngry
I know a German guy (lives in Germany - have M.E roots) his family name is Arafat... he travels to Israel a lot.. Israeli TSA loves him
G0alden3y3
I'm Navajo and we have to put up with all of this. (so does every other Native)
wadatahmydamie
And if you still want to be a part of all this bullshit, you're a better American than I am.
G0alden3y3
Positively Aladeen
StAndrews607
Religion should just not exist. Without it we may be better off. People are too separatist with the existence of it.
TheGhostOfHarambe
The west got rid of religion. They started fighting over economic systems. We'll always fight each other over something.
StAndrews607
I wish I could agree with you but it seems thats a very Christian standpoint to think that we got rid of it already. I can tell you that 1/¿
StAndrews607
It very much so still exists in influence and is used to leverage voters. However as above stated by someone else, there probably will 2/¿
StAndrews607
be something that replaces that division.
Deiterhaman
Agreed, but good luck implementing
Affray
1)I too took history in high school and thought I sounded smart by naysaying all religions. Also, your user name is clearly a derivative of
Affray
2)St Andrew, who was one of Jesus's twelve desciples. Kind of ironic for someone with your outlook to name yourself after Jesus's homeboy.
StAndrews607
Username was created based off of a golf course in Scotland however nice try. I find it hilarious that Christians seemingly are the ones 1/?
StAndrews607
who are the least tolerant of anyone else's lack of adherence to their religion. (notice phrasing "seemingly") I'm not saying all are alike.
Xbertie
Doubt it, people would find something else to bicker about.
FoeOfFauxPho
...USSR...Communist China...
StAndrews607
What exactly are you implying with that? Lack of religion does not lead to that. Humans can exist without it and not turn shit upside down.
StAndrews607
What exactly are you implying with that? Lack of religion does not lead to that. Humans can exist without it and not turn shit upside down.
StAndrews607
What exactly are you implying with that? Lack of religion does not lead to that. Humans can exist without it and not turn shit upside down.
Deiterhaman
I presume he meant to say that communism objects to religion, generally
FreedomPanda
*some muslims integrate poorly, as with any group. I'm not opposed to the temporary ban, just not a fan of blanket statements.
zalan26
I live in eastern europe. A perfect example of bad integration is gypsies. I'm pretty sure the case with muslims would be basicly the same.
HowBoutThemDogs
That's fair
gon0
Thats right,_some_ integrate poorly. On a BBQ Party one guy demanded a second grill. He did not want to use the "pork"-grill for his chicken
davidsarif
Christians demand plenty of illogical laws, I don't see why this is different.
hypnokrote
Not being pedantic, curious to know what laws you're talking about?
Blacklistedone
Pro-life?
hypnokrote
To what extent do Pro-Life activists influence laws? Genuinely interested
inurmum
Maybe he should have brought along a little one of his own. I understand him though it is a sin for them to eat pork
midd1eearth
Fuck that guy, don't make the world cater to you.
SeaHutch
Famous Dave's Barbeque, however, will happily cater to you for any event including those pesky cookouts so you don't have to lift a finger.
FabulousBadass
I don't understand Germany taking in so many. It's the land of schinken, why would you want muslims there?
BrosephStalinTheSecond
They were complaining about not having any living space and now!?!
gon0
There are people who have lost everythin but their lives. These people need help. Others may try to gain an economic advantage. What people
gon0
are is not written on their forehead. So spending help in general is human and the right way I think.
moumou0
"They" wanna change the population of the country through massive immigration as the rest of Europe.
themilkmancometh
They've been here for over 50 years in the UK and we are for the most part still entirely separate communities.
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themuttonisniceandlean
one source: https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-north-america-and-europe-5846.html
themilkmancometh
i wouldn't know what they are like in the US but that's interesting wonder why they aren't doing it over here in the UK
themuttonisniceandlean
The source I posted has some hypotheses on why.
FreedomPanda
Yes.... but the UK has a history of being a bit... rrr.... difficult on differing views. he 1600's were said to be really bad about it :P
poeandfinn
It's gotten to the point where Muslim students have made gender segregated events a serious topic of national discussion. It's not just 1/2
poeandfinn
a fringe group that's refusing to integrate
themilkmancometh
But that doesn't mean we aren't for the most part nice and accepting its just there's a limit to how much we will give.
themilkmancometh
I keep telling people about the island mentality that we have and they keep dismissing it , we are naturally wary of outsiders as a people
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
what does that even have to do with being an island? pretty much any country is this way. the exceptions of that are notable, not the >
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> other way around. case in point: GERMANY still hasnt accepted that it's an immigration country.
themilkmancometh
Islands are isolated and through this the people on them tend to have a different attitude to land locked nations
themilkmancometh
In this small island half the size of France you've got 4-6 strong national identies because the geography historyand politics creates them
themilkmancometh
Islands tend to produce people with strong nationalist identities, Britain and Ireland prove this.
TheDuke0fHazzard
Ok, but that was 400 years ago, so that doesn't really matter at this point...
BwaaaaaSusususu
I have found that assholes don't integrate well. Muslim or whatever
JPBStory
Well said.
LordNoodles
Our Muslim students here integrate in that they buy all American muscle cars and drink, but with each other and not Americans
Jorocket
This!!
Stigl
This! Generalisation is dangerous and unfortunately a lot of politicians in Europe use/instrumentalise people's fear of everything foreign..
Geo80
Generalizations are a valid and useful way of looking at the world. The field of statistics would not exist other wise.
glock19
BOOM
Stigl
1.You are fighting me on a technicality of words here, generalizations are fine in science bcs they make it easy to draw likely conclusions
Stigl
2.but they suck when judging people bcs they are likely but not certain. Inductive reasoning should not be applied in this case
eroso
It's not about being asshole. It's the cultures that are conflicted. Same how you'd integrate badly in Saudi Arabia.
mendelde
No, it's just wrong. http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/a-portrait-of-muslim-americans/
eroso
It's different here in Europe. These people aren't immigrants, they are refugees. They had to leave their homes, they didn't want to.
eroso
I've been doing voluntary work at a refugee center and by friend is teaching them local language. Only 5% attend the class & want to learn.
yapyapblahblahdribbledribbledribble
Much like in foreplay, the asshole thing helps.
seemetrollinh8in
That's why no one who wants to jump ship from america is even considering SA as a new home.
eroso
If they would go there, it would be because they have to. Refugees are different than immigrants.
Edgekrsher
If the top font on this post was "as an American". It would have been down voted
cousteau
Or "as a American", because it does say "as an European"… come on, it's pronounced joo-ropean!
MidiArbite
Mostly because Americans have not dealt with it so much. Europe's been dealing with Muslim immigration since the conquest of Spain.
Janusha
Because "as an american" it puts the whole Muslim thing in a right wing, unrealistic, uneducated and murderous perspective.
Janusha
Because "as an american" it puts the whole Muslim thing in a right wing, unrealistic, uneducated and murderous perspective.
satanisnatasbackwards
don't worry, some of us are still downvoting this racist piece of shit
Edgekrsher
Well you're a stupid piece of shit so I'm down voting you
awildcharmander
Haha, wow. He's *racist* because he's ok with a ban targeting a *religious* group. YouKeepUsingThatWord.gif
SeaHutch
Europeans are the level headed ones. Look at Brexit!
SwedishRationalist
Yeah, that was completely uncontroversial. :P
WhiteIce2112
Either missed joke or confusing addition...
thesplashingblumpkins
I assume that most users of Imgur are American though
2shortplanks
WhatTheFont is telling me the meme used the ever popular "Impact" font though, so that's all good.
CaptainMinnette
Europe has much larger issues with radical Islam than America. There are 100 areas in France where police can't go bc sharia law is imposed.
FlightRisk3154
If you are serious about that statement. I'm going to need some freaking sources for it
lockethegoon
Not quite a true statement, but there is a basis for it: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp Further, based on other 1/2
lockethegoon
sources I've seen in the past it more seems like the local Muslim population in certain areas is encouraged to seek justice from Sharia 2/3
lockethegoon
Courts. Much like the Hasidic Jewish Courts in New York.
PinguDolmer
CaptainMinnette
I don't watch Fox news. I read Le Monde and Le Figaro. They reported this only months ago
Galdrack
It's a bullshit claim made by american new networks, I think it was someone on Fox that first made it up.
FlightRisk3154
Yeah I don't believe it and was aware of the fox thing. I just wanted to see if they could provide any source/evidence
Edgekrsher
Larger issues?? Ever heard of the World Trade Center towers?
CaptainMinnette
You know, it's estimated that with simple changes to driving laws and license requirements, we'd save 10k people/year. Why not focus there?
CaptainMinnette
When we have an average of 2 American deaths from a jihadist immigrant each year for the past ten, time to rethink our priorities and (1/2)
CaptainMinnette
start treating 9/11 as more of an isolated event.
Edgekrsher
How is it an isolated event when the same building was bombed 8 years before. Fucking troll
CaptainMinnette
And what are the odds of something of that scope happening again? What is banning Muslims going to do to stop it if it would?
Edgekrsher
Who said anything about banking muslims ? Get off your soap box
Edgekrsher
Correction. I never said anything about banning muslims. I was making a statement about how things are perceived on this site.
CaptainMinnette
I honestly thought you had replied to a comment I had left last night where I said AMERICA should focus on issues other than Muslims, dorry
FunFrenchStuff
What ? No there isn't. Fox News said bullshit about 'no-go zones' during Charlie's shooting in 2015 and had to admit they lied.
CaptainMinnette
Le Figaro reported it only months ago
FunFrenchStuff
I don't see it http://recherche.lefigaro.fr/recherche/charia/?datepublication=depuis+1+an&lieux_slug=france
FunFrenchStuff
Source : https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/01/18/fox-news-corrects-apologizes-for-no-go-zone-remarks/
FunFrenchStuff
There're neighbourhoods where police has difficulties, but those urban violences are linked to unemployement/poverty/narcotraffic not sharia
CaptainMinnette
In these neighborhoods, women aren't allowed to be bareheaded, only men are allowed in certain restaurants or salons. Police are attacked.
CaptainMinnette
In these neighborhoods, women aren't allowed to be bareheaded, only men are allowed in certain restaurants or salons. Police are attacked.
cpcgamer
Ahh, someone else from Rotherham, I see. how's it goin, pal?
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Atehc
Sorry but I'm Nordic.
ginja85
It's a fucking shit hole, how do you think it's going?
Zugoola
Ha it's a small world when your from Rotherham .I'm S62
initialdave
Rotherham is a place to keep everyone kicked out of Sheffield who we wouldn't let into Doncaster.
donlocke
The problem isn't the religion, it's the native cultures. 2nd and 3rd generation migrants will integrate better but it takes a long time.
SexPiss
A lot of brummies would feel the same.
PatrickDawson
I'm still mad about that kinda wanted those fuckeers to resist arrest gotta be honest
therewk
Can also be from Belgium. Ever heard of Molenbeek ?
TheyCallMeMrChicken
St Helen's?
CriticalAbuse
It's weird to see any mention of Rotherham here. Or online. "Near Sheffield" usually covers it.
thebeardismightierthanthesword
My Yorkshire is intensifying
Aslatra
It's those durned alternative facts again. If they pretend it didn't happen, it didn't.
StealthGodzilla
As someone from Sheffield, I chuckled
ThrowPETAtoTheVeganLions
try being from penistone. we have to choose between identifying as being from sheffield or barnsley... both better than rotherham though
thersc
And you can't spell Penistone without Penis.
MrPhukett
That's what I thought he was getting at, hahaha.
blade89
Owts better than Rotherham
SteppingInsideOutOfMyself
How about those Millers? Tough season so far, unfortunately
itsfuckingcoldherealways
Or from Finland
b4kus
Poland here, what muslims? ;)
MichaelFacebender
"Soon my friend, soon" -EU
RyanGiggs11
Based Polish Hussars
systemiclupus
Your gvmt. did something right there.Why accept able bodied young afghans as refugees while our able bodied young men fight for peace there?
MrPhukett
Good point.
ProsaicPudding
Kinda funny, caus over here there is a lot of Polish that doesn't want to integrate
ProsaicPudding
Ofcourse, most of em are hard working and good people. But I do see those who rather just get paid under the table, steal, etc
ProsaicPudding
Every group of people will have some bad ones.
MrPhukett
Aussie here, I've heard that a lot. Funny how we hear negatives mostly about polish over any other immigrants. No smoke w'out fire, etc
ProsaicPudding
Meh, there is a lot of dirt about most Eastern Europe! But like I said, most of em are hard working. My mum came to this country (1/2)
ProsaicPudding
30 years ago from Poland. She has 2 higher degrees and earn more than most people. (2/2)
systemiclupus
Or y'know Germany, who doesn't live in a dream world
RPCd
I have two refugee camps 1km away from me, no problem.
segfaultytowers
Yea, clearly those refugees aren't integrating, see OP is still right
RPCd
They spoke okeyish german for being there only a couple of months, how fast do you think this goes?
PennnnnyLane
I live 20km from a refugee camp in Germany. No issues whatsoever.
analgapechakazulu
Hi I'm Angela Merkel, cmon in.
systemiclupus
More like: "hi I'm Angela Merkel and this is jackass! The socioeconomic experiment with questionable outcome edition"
darkclaw89
Hey, it's not a 'letting refugees in' problem, it's a 'not properly screening the refugees you're letting in' problem.
EmeryLoden
I wonder if the poor state country's are dealing with refugees has influence on the public opinion on not letting refugees in at all.
myrdin
Plus not making those, who are not permitted, return to wherever they came from(which by the way rarely is Syria).
WhackyDude
Visited Germany a couple of months ago, came across a lot refugees who caused nothing but trouble.
Awsamanam
If you want to become more infumed look at the einzelfall map.
PennnnnyLane
I live in Germany and travel throughout, not sure where you went or if you can tell the difference between refugees and other nationalities.
segfaultytowers
By assuming anyone who looks darker than a Kardashian is a refugee
PennnnnyLane
Shit, what should I tell the huge Turkish population that lives near my friends who have been here since the 40s?
AgonyZ
I like how you assume you can speak for a nation. I am very aghast that someone could think we're as right wing as you make us out to be.
curiouslyrelevant
Und ist voller Rassismus und Sexismus. Ich bin nur noch in Usersub, so dass ich das Gefühl hab, n downvote bringt was ;)
systemiclupus
I don't presume to speak for anyone but myself and people of like mind.
systemiclupus
I am also fully aware that I am in the minority with this opinion in Germany
AgonyZ
People of different opinion than you live in a "dream world." You said, that Germany doesn't, which implies a majority opinion.
grabthembythepussy
My bet @OP is Eastern European or Russian troll,or what the real Nazi used to call (White Chimps).They have their glorious moment now.
Atehc
Sorry, but I'm Nordic.
grabthembythepussy
Doubt it,their education system is pretty good.Unless you're one of those red-neck Nords who blame emigrants of taking your jerbs
cpcgamer
Emigrants are people leaving the country. They'd have to do a good job to take it and make for the border with it.
Atehc
Wrong on both accounts. It's not "pretty good" it's the best and I'm not blaming them for taking jobs. I'm blaming them for not getting one.
grabthembythepussy
lets say so.Probably if your team stopped bombing the refugee housing and make them move from camp to another,they'll melt in your community
DrFawxy
The thing about Rotherham that makes me furious is it never stopped. I'm told it's actually worse than ever before.
Darthmittens
Yeah it's still going on, British fuckers need guns back
notjustafoxyface
They really really don't
MrPhukett
What was going on in Rotherham?. (interested expat Welsh in Oz.)
xheroth
Muslim child rape gangs drugged poor local English girls and sexually abused them. The police refuses to intervene out of fear of being 1/2
xheroth
Labelled racists. 2/2
MrPhukett
Omg I remember something about that. They were Pakis? This stupid fear authorities have of being labelled racist IS FUCKED!! Infuriates me!
xXDrSmilesXx
Cologne, Germany. I am not from there but I hear it alot when talking about the immagrations in Europe.That shit was horrific.
notjustafoxyface
Are you familiar with the term anicdotal evidence?
MrPhukett
I believe you totally, but everyone says it's just rumours and hate speech. Where do you get ur info from? Witnesses? Media?
DrFawxy
Cologne was far worse than the German police reports claimed. Women were literally gang-raped in the street. Europe is fucked.
MrPhukett
In Oz I believe you totally, but everyone says it's just rumours and hate speech. Where do you get ur info from? Witnesses? Media?
SeiryuJ
I'm Australian myself, I had to look a lot of this shit up myself, cover-ups are real it seems, it makes me sad.
DrFawxy
Unfortunately a lot of it is just witness testimony since the police reports were so compromised. They tried really hard to cover it up.
TheNoblePizzaDragonWhoLivesInYourFridge
And this is why honestly, trump telling them to fuck off seems better to me than... THAT.
TheNoblePizzaDragonWhoLivesInYourFridge
anything I can get my hands on to justify the vote I gave him I suppose
SwedishRationalist
Or Sweden...?
ISayFuckAllTheTime
Most people I hear this sentiment from are in sweden, yup.
Torrempesta
Or Italy...
meatballrush
Or the UK
ODSTsRule
Or Germany, but we know how to handle people we view as a threat to our safety and national well-being.... We give them stern warnings!
tuesdayfall
Work for the state in southern sweden, agony to stay silent when talking about immigration.
SwedishRationalist
How about not staying silent? ;)
whiite
They call you racist, bigot, etc etc.
SwedishRationalist
Let them.
papperslappen
Yes, it is very hard to live in a country with low crime levels, high equality and economic prospects.
SwedishRationalist
So because we live in a prosperous country, we have no right to complain when bad things happen?
papperslappen
Yes you can, but get some proportions.
SwedishRationalist
...or SD is gonna become the biggest party in the next election, just like Trump won, and just like Brexit, etc, etc...
SwedishRationalist
We've done enough relativizing and minimization in Sweden. We need to talk honestly about our serious and growing problems.
SwedishBait
Pain is relative. Unfortunately.
ODSTsRule
I really dont know why you get downvotes for that :-/