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freshthrowaway1138
I swear, Imgur users are the reason that Greenwashing is so effective.
Memnoch112
This is a great person*
Bystandr
This is a great idea. Made modular for easy maintenance and cleanup of the system itself, too, operating life can be extended quite a bit.
freshthrowaway1138
https://www.newsweek.com/ocean-cleanup-accused-staging-removal-after-plastic-too-clean-1679763
freshthrowaway1138
Many scientists worry... does more harm than good. https://www.vox.com/down-to-earth/22949475/ocean-plastic-pollution-cleanup
freshthrowaway1138
"a dream that seduced many people" https://www.dezeen.com/2019/05/23/the-ocean-cleanup-failure-great-pacific-garbage-patch-plastic/
RamsesMCMXCI
This is not nearly enough.
The22ndDoctor
Now he needs a 3D printer that runs off of reclaimed plastic, and have that print parts for more systems.
FoxyEllie
von neumann would have a word with you
sacrosanctt
I call it the Burns-omni-net
quade
"It is the year 2020, in the very distant future..."
treed240z
The distant future...the year 2000!
OriginalShit
Did he call it The Buoyant Slut?
mmckee44
Cool idea but I remain convinced that the plastic industry bankrolled this even secretly to avoid not making that plastic in the 1st place.
freshthrowaway1138
Bingo! This is a greenwashing project that has lots of corporate sponsors because it does little to address the actual issues involved.
Jelly350
Where did it go after they take it out?
SometimesISayDumbShit
What are they doing with all that plastic?
lonosham
An?!
reallybigpianist
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that couldn’t see past the title.
Slackburton
Someone who does something instead of talking and pointing out what's wrong....what we need
FaecalJacksonPollock
The project's site: https://theoceancleanup.com/
saganworshipper
Top comment
zombiebatman
I don’t click links ever since covid. What does it do?
ShadowNettik
You were right not to click it. It gives you Covid-22
EricPisch
And their utoob https://www.youtube.com/theoceancleanup
rainbowstraws
The problem being their own analyses demonstrate they're also dragging up more animals and plant matter used for nesting than is dismissable
ThierryVernet
Probably it has removed 10% of what has been added in between...
saganworshipper
The Ocean Cleanup also has capture boats for river deltas. You all knew all this... right?
freshthrowaway1138
You mean the incredibly expensive and complicated system that they plan on leaving unmanned in rivers? Yeah, that won't get stolen. lol
InTangier
Now can we dump that plastic into the homes of oil CEOs so they can stop burning the planet?
Chicagorooftop
A helicopter with a net....
IHopeMyKidsDontSeeThis
WILL be deployed in 2020? This must have a record for the longest lag until repost.
Adester
That is great, but it does nothing in the big picture. We need laws to force companies to use recycled plastic for packaging. >>
Adester
The label recycle-able does nothing when it won't be recycled. It doesn't matter the material, we need to recycle now.
beaubrent
At 21 I was experimenting with piss play, so to each his (or her) own
FartPoweredPogoStick
So this dude is a real life Garbage Patch Kid?
lrateyourrig
I believe they said they've cleaned up a chunk the size of Rhode Island out of a plastic island the size of Texas. Anything but metric.
LadyMoto
That’s like at least 10 washer machines worth
AnyUnitOfMeasureButMetric
That seems like a perfectly acceptable way to measure.
morelikeconsham
people are not good at comprehending large or small numbers. This is extremely well documented.
MoxSue
RI fits in TX 221 times.
MoxSue
TX 268,597 sq mile RI I 1,212 sq mile.
lrateyourrig
Obligatory: that's almost as many as your mom
HoneyBadgersAreBadAsses
And they can even sell the plastic for recycling and offset their costs.
FatBastardVegetarian
Square Miles/Square KM doesn't really work on ocean scale. Nice to have a comparison, IMO.
TheRelevancyOfMyNameIsRelativelyIrrelevant
squares waves works fairly well though
quade
If you need that in metric, 1 Rhode Island is approximately 1/90th of a UK.
DrLOAC
That’s less that a Houston - (well Harris County)
Rektastic
but at least we have clam cakes and coffee milk unlike houston
lrateyourrig
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
counterpoint: texas is a perfect unit to measure garbage
Fisicboy
lrateyourrig
Unless it's dick shaped, then I'd recommend, well, you already know
KuroFluff
Oh shots fired! But I think Texas likes that.
stonetemplefox05
Goddamn!
KilroyLichking
Howlingowl
Which one is easier to picture in your head: 3,144 square km or Rhode Island?
lrateyourrig
Just how may people do you think A) have traveled around RI B) can point RI out on a map?
Howlingowl
Well, I live in California and I’ve A) driven through Rhode Island and B) can point to it on the map. So… many people?
lrateyourrig
Im from CA too but i guess I'm a bit more realistic mic.com/articles/86517/watch-400-americans-struggle-to-point-out-each-u-s-state-on-a-map
Howlingowl
400 people isn’t a large sample size and it gives 0 explanation on how the people were chosen, so I wouldn’t make any conclusions from this
ThatRaccoonGuy
The model for this system was Rafts on Steam.
Qendou
Fireball.
laylowdown
Is it any good?
LatexAndStilletos
fantastic game and great story
daf4ever
yes
knytehawkk
I liked Raft because it can be pretty chill. Just floatin and gathering. Until the damn shark shows up. Stupid shark.
throwblip
Peaceful mode, zen as fuck
Outlawful
Short answer: yes. Long answer: Hell yes!
LaughingCoast
Best played with friends. But yes, it is fun.
blamiesnotfree
It's super good. I love playing it with my gf, simple survival crafter game with a novel paradigm, chill but challenging, and 1/
blamiesnotfree
Surprisingly replayable. The story isn't super compelling and some stuff can be kind of bitchy, but compared to most AAA titles you will get
blamiesnotfree
Ten times the play time at one tenth the cost. I'd put it's value close to but above Valheim personally
RatoMolhado
So, it's been working for two years by now. Is the Pacific cleaner?
PoliticalWanderer
1) The sad fact is that most of the plastic waste is below the surface, either sunken because of weight or broken up and floating. What's
PoliticalWanderer
2) visible is just the tip of the iceberg. And because plastic is nigh impossible to actually reuse in new products because the different
PoliticalWanderer
3) types can't be put together and they are more likely to break down and become more toxic if you try to break them down and reshape them,
PoliticalWanderer
4) nothing is going to change until we decide to stop or virtually stop using plastic products. Even then it'll likely take centuries of
RatElemental
Fun fact: In Stellaris the game always starts in 2200. If your starting planet is earth there will be >
PoliticalWanderer
5) work to actually clean the Pacific.
FaecalJacksonPollock
A little bit. https://theoceancleanup.com/updates/first-100000-kg-removed-from-the-great-pacific-garbage-patch/
RatoMolhado
That's a good news indeed!
Chereazi
Each year 10.000.000 tons are deposited in the ocean. It sounds nice, but isn't more than a rounding error
RatoMolhado
Eventually some organism will evolve to eat plastic. Humans may not be there to see it, though, but I'm OK with that.
SomeDetroitGuy
That's why they're also deploying their Interceptor program to stop plastic from flowing into the ocean.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
"On 25 July 2022, the project announced that it had removed more than 100,000 kg of plastic from the Great Pacific" Source, Wikipedia
freshthrowaway1138
And how much money have they taken to reach this amount? $30+ million? And how much ecological damage have they caused?
AllHailTechnoViking
None. The device is designed to prevent ecological damage. Also: how much ecological damage can you cause on a landfill?
freshthrowaway1138
Landfill? You do realize that the gyre is incredibly spare of trash/sq km, right? It's not a texas sized landfill.
freshthrowaway1138
Also, yes, you can cause ecological damage on a landfill. Have you never researched landfills?
freshthrowaway1138
https://mashable.com/article/garbage-patch-ocean-cleanup-explained
dnicelee
For reference, a water bottle is about 9.9 grams. So that’s about 10 million water bottles or about 5 million water bottles/year.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyan_Slat
Fedotia
Aka 100 tons, that's nothing and shouldnt distract society to stop using the oceans as garbage disposal.
AllHailTechnoViking
That's about 100 tons more than other people are doing.
Vulkankaninchen
Other projects are cheaper and more successful, he is just a green washing scam
AllHailTechnoViking
1) Please enlighten us on alternatives. 2) What exactly is he greenwashing, because I think you are using the term incorrectly.
Vulkankaninchen
https://www.oceanvoyagesinstitute.org/ and dont get me wrong i think the idea is in general a very stupid one.
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Problem: How many of the creatures living between the garbage did they destroy?
AllHailTechnoViking
None, since the device is specifically designed to prevent that
freshthrowaway1138
Except that's not true according to experts. The OC people might CLAIM it is designed to prevent it, but in the real world? It's failing. /
freshthrowaway1138
https://www.vox.com/down-to-earth/22949475/ocean-plastic-pollution-cleanup Though I would love to see an outside direct audit of them.
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Sorry but I also had to learn about the fact that the ocean cleanup is a very bad idea for lots of orgsnisms living at the surface of the +
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
ocean. As it seems there's no good way to get rid of the garbage. So there should be more efforts to prevent the garbage.
AllHailTechnoViking
Yes. But that would mean it won't get worse, but the current situation isn't to my satiscaftion either.
TheGreatAtomsk
to put the number into perspective: 100000kg = 100tons which is a bit more than three to four(!) large shipping containers.
ExceptFluffyDuck
By weight. By volume it'll be a heck of a lot more.
Vulkankaninchen
Just took him seven years or so
Funnyjunker
You might wanna check your math there bud.
Chereazi
Meanwhile there's millions of tons dumped into the ocean each year... Yey...
thesleeve3d
Ah, I see, so we should give up then? Just phone it in? "Hey, we tried, but we couldn't do the whole thing in a year, so we're done."
KingOfBait
It's a start
AllHailTechnoViking
I don't see many other people trying either.
kruug
Sure, if you compare it to the total, it's minimal. But when you compare it to 0, it's fucking HUGE!
wiltsjunk
Part of this project is also catching the debris in the rivers before it flows into the ocean.
freshthrowaway1138
With overly complex solutions that won't last half the time (at 10x the cost) of something like Mr. Trash Wheel.
WorstShotEver
So....we should do nothing cuz its not perfect? Fuck off you grouch and invent something better!
freshthrowaway1138
I'm not being a grouch, I'm calling out bs greenwashing! The reality is that I don't need to invent something better because better systems/
Chromeshack
What are they going to do with it?
drivinmekrazy
Make Diesel fuel out of plastic bottles!
Narwhilian
Burn it?
freshthrowaway1138
You say that, but pyrolysis is one of the best ways to reduce plastic trash levels, minimize CO2 releases, but produce energy.
Shickzilla
Make sunglasses. Unfortunately they're all sold out of them currently.
Totallyscrewedinaustin
They also make pots for plants! I have some, got them at Lowes in the spring
imisscanadianpeanutbutter
They also@make water bottles.
SomeDetroitGuy
They recycle it as much as they can.
Beardologist
Why not reuse? Isn't it mostly fishing stuff?
Wolffe529
Stuff doesn't end up in the Great Pacific Garbage patch because it's still in a useable state.
Cryptox
This question always comes up. Isn't almost anything better than it floating in the ocean?
Chromeshack
I didn't say it wasn't. I'm glad it's out of the ocean. I was just curious is all.
Kennleth
Didn’t you hear what happened to the cat? No curiousity for you!
Chromeshack
I forgot about that. Time to get curious.
SophieClockwise
Put it back in the Kardashians.
LAMovieDesign
Oh, man. That was fucking good. Thanks for the good laugh.
Shickzilla
LenWeirdracin
TacoPuncher
Don't think that's a good idea, once they reach a certain mass part of them breaks off and a new Kardashian is formed
JackHL01
JackHL01
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Throw it in the Atlantic.
BatsArentBugs
Fuck yeah! Team Pacific! USA! USA! USA!
UncleIrohnman
irisewithredeyes
KenGiphyJr
I'll take this +1
irisewithredeyes
Lovethesmelloftoastedsourdoughbread
Will it fit?
dmjalund
Great use of meme!
ReaperCDN
The Atlantic is the square hole. Everything fits,.
hugemuffin
https://imgur.com/O4j5Nfq.jpg
Stabmatic
LOL, excellent version of this meme!
SurfHill
So two years in. Do we have an update?
spLagger
looks like at least 3 systems were deployed in different parts around the world.
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shmoogeeoogee
Thats not how talking with people works.
Asadsadsadclown
ooo I wanna know what the deleted troglodyte said.
skipweasel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ocean_Cleanup
FortunateWaste
Something about Rhode Island and Texas
armyguy
It sucks up 1 animal pet 3 pieces of plastic
maststick
I had this thought
Ababybunny
They make it into sunglasses
freshthrowaway1138
They've taken in more than $30 million, with little to show for it.
Asadsadsadclown
Got a source. Cuz there is a great pacific garbage patch worth of sources that say otherwise.
freshthrowaway1138
I've yet to see them pull more than a scrap of trash for all the money spent- not to mention CO2 spewed by their freighters. You do know /
freshthrowaway1138
/that is how they are getting the trash to shore, right? Also, they claim to recycle it, but most can't be recycled. Which is another /
freshthrowaway1138
/reason why they are wasting money. $30 mil could fund the construction of landfills that would prevent huge amounts of trash in oceans. /