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Summary:
1. lead bullet from injury 14 years ago led to lead poisoning
2. lead disrupts hemoglobin synthesis = anemia
3. lead also disrupts cognition
4. treatment #1 = a chelator (a special molecule that binds lead and allows it to be excreted)
5. treatment #2: patient was to receive a surgery to remove the lining of his joint, but he never returned!!!
Full case:
A 46-year-old man presented to the emergency department with worsening chronic left knee pain. Fourteen years before presentation, he had sustained a gunshot wound to the left knee. Radiographs obtained at the time of that injury showed a metallic bullet and debris within the joint (Panel A). No surgery was performed to remove the bullet at that time. At the current presentation, the physical examination was notable for a large effusion in the left knee. Repeat radiographs showed that, in addition to changes consistent with arthritis in the joint, the bullet had fragmented into metallic particles throughout the joint and synovium (Panel B).
Laboratory studies revealed microcytic anemia, with a hemoglobin level of 9.1 g per deciliter (normal range, 12.9 to 16.8), and an elevated blood lead level (182 μg per deciliter [8.8 μmol per liter]). The Mini–Mental State Examination score was 24 (scores range from 0 to 30, with lower scores indicating poorer cognitive performance). The patient showed no other symptoms of chronic lead poisoning. Intraarticular bullets should be removed surgically at the time of the injury. In addition to causing joint damage, intraarticular bullets can fragment and dissolve in synovial fluid, leading to lead absorption and delayed symptomatic lead poisoning. The patient received chelation therapy. Surgical management with a left knee synovectomy was planned, but the patient left the hospital before surgery and was lost to follow-up.
Credit where credit is due:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm1804726
Bigdaddy1097
Get some duct tape
atarujun
That'll buff right out.
cannucky
Could be Lupus
Thatllbuffrightout
LEAD poisoning: lead Lines (basophilic stippling), Encephalopathy, Anemia and Abdominal colic, wrist/ankle Drop
TehWolfs
Ow
ILikeSmellingMyOwnFarts
Was he an adventurer before he took the bullet in the knee?
mentallychallengeaccepted
”Well, I got shot and then one thing lead to another.”
nabacular
I used to be an adventurer like you, but 14 years ago I took a bullet to the knee
dimasCookieDog
F
lmgursResidentPhysician
Seems like people enjoy this kinda post. Interested in more like this???
iaiahastur
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/189/153/3361870231_ba7bff5514.jpg
iaiahastur
In all seriousness though, thanks for this post, it's really cool
newtothelandofthekiwi
Calpol and mummy’s kisses will sort that!
chrishallett83
Rub some dirt on it and walk it off, wuss.
EUart13RemovedMyName
Reading this kind of felt like watching a Chubbyemu video on youtube
MuzzledOne
Soooo... when you get shot, take the bullet out of your body. Got it.
MornieAlantie
Generally they dont. They didn't remove mine because it would have caused more damage than it cured. Body tends to eject foreign material.
ianb93
They are almost never removed from the body.
ElGatoGuapo
Also definitely do not do it as first-aid like in the movies. Tourniquet and bandage that shit, get treated, and meet a nice surgeon
Pteharambe
Well... usually
filthyhybrid3000
This never would’ve happened if his knee had a gun...
GodDamnitMayweather
I used to be an adventurer like you...
captaingrump
Read that as "Hobgoblin synthesis" I need a nap
LuckyMan9
I understand he used to be an adventurer like me.
Thrym
Until you also got shot in the knee?
nonamejanie
Youngest son got it a couple years ago from old pipes under his ancient elementary school. I was encouraging refilling a thermos with water>
nonamejanie
>at school instead of sending bottled water. Fuck me right?
Uhmsure
Looks more like an arrow to me.
BeckyLookAtHerButt
Clearly it is lupus.
Mannus
Ponle Vicks.
veritas1980
@op you need an arc reactor for your knee
usersubisastrangeplace
you need some robitussin
MornieAlantie
Really? Just drink water and here's some ibuprofen.
dauntlessds
You got ghosts in your blood. Do cocaine about it!
Thesaulsurvivor
Nah, he needs some milk.
misterturkle
If ya run out put some water in the bottle, sshake it up, mo tussin!
IAmDuckHammer
Chris just got hit by a car. Oh, my god. I'll go get the Robitussin.
StillNotYouTube
The tussin the tussin!
Empurpled
Windex also works in these cases.
graehall
Rub in that 'tussiny goodness! MmMmm!
FriendlyNeighborhoodGrammarPerson
Let that Tussin get to the bone, boy. Let that Tussin get in there.
RaiderNation95209
Mo Tussin!!!
steviEa
Oh Chris Rock you comedic genius you
ixxa2oo
Looks like he also lost way too much weight in those 14 years
FlyingDutchGirl
Good eye
MrKnowItAll1903
Bad knee
QTLingTorrasque
"Greg you don't walk as much as you used to, what gives?" 'I got shot in the fucking knee and it hurts all the time'
fitlex
Maybe he lost a ton of muscle in that leg from barely using it due to the knee pain?
marigold99
When I read this and saw that the patient left hospital and was lost to follow-ups, I wondered if he was transient/mentally unsound? Vet?
Stoicnihilist
At least now he is with all the lead eating his brain
servingmytimeinusersub
Drink more water and take motrin
retgarr
And change your socks
ItIsIRednekjedi
There's the U.S. Verteran!
servingmytimeinusersub
With all respect to veterans, I am not. I was a military brat thats spent most of my life around service.
MornieAlantie
Is that the way medical treats you too? Or did service rub off on your parents and that's what they gave you when you were sick?
TheyDontKnowAndYouCantTellEm
I hate to blow your bubble but chelation therapy ain't gonna remove more than 1% of the lead spread around that joint.
retgarr
Whose bubble are you bursting? The NEJM's?
iggylights
Yup. Chelation works great for heavy metals that were ingested, not injected.
valen00
you do both as they were, you chelate to remove the lead floating about the dudes system and you remove the gobs of lead causing the problem
DomZombie
Rub some Vicks vaporub on it.
BarfingMonkey
Why wouldn't they have the bullet removed? It's not like it's in a dangerous area to operate.
SoooooOriginal
There's a possible clue in the text. "patient left the hospital before surgery and was lost to follow-up"
Sm9yCg
People are idiots and some idots are afraid of doctors or medical procedures. Some hide this irrational fear behind religion, too.
SomeDetroitGuy
It's usually safer to leave them than to remove them. The TV trope of having to remove them immediately is complete bullshit.
RepaidRapidDave
Most of the time bullets do not lead to poisoning. It is usually safer to leave them, they become encapsulated and just chill.
MuzzledOne
Gunshot wounds are reported to the police. It may be this guy had something to hide.
Ricomock
The gunshot wound took place 14 years before
MuzzledOne
Read the question, please.
ianb93
He came to the emergency department with a gunshot that's when it would have been reported
sharmapaedic
Don’t you just poop it out eventually like swallowed bubble gum?
d0o0o0d
Only if you eat it.
graehall
Haha. That's so childish. I love it!
VladimirsKacs
Maybe if he was shot in the butt?
rustyshrubs
EDdoctor here. I get the odd gunshot wound, stabilise them and refer to Trauma/Ortho. Often they’re areas where removing them is riskier 1/2
nightmarebear
Worked trauma for years and can confirm that most bullets are retained unless leaving them poses a greater risk than removing.
T3HB1GC4T
I never expected an Erectile Dysfunction doctor to deal with gunshot wounds!
rustyshrubs
2/2 Than leaving them alone. Or so my Ortho Colleagues tell me.
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
I see that being fine with non lead or metal jacket bullets, But isn't lead poisoning a greater risk than surgery in most cases?
Ricomock
To my knowledge, solid metallic lead doesn't pose a large risk. If it wasn't chewed up in the joint I might have never been an issue
randomweirdness
lack of insurance / money?
Bilboteebaggins
You're not allowed to turn away someone for lack of money, but the patient can refuse.
VladimirsKacs
Yes, but it's not like the can say they won't ever pay for the surgery, it will just go into debt collection with all the fun of that.
cinderspires
EveryonesRaping
he had the freedom to dodge
WhyDontYouMakeMe
lmgursResidentPhysician
You'd be surprised by the number of people who never followup for things like other major surgeries.
JGBarco
Case in point, me... i should be getting surgery to get rid of a hernia i have, but i have gone back to the doctors for like 3 years
HenryLongfellowIII
You should go back to the doctor.
JGBarco
Keyword: should
moosehortons
My SO did the same thing... His hernia slowly ended up spreading into his ballsack... You can bet he went to Dr for surgury then
JGBarco
ive had it for the last 6 years. doctors said i could live with it for a lifetime. one of the doctors had been living with one for 20yrs 1/2
JGBarco
and my grandma lived with one for quite some time as well. this isnt the first time i got it either, so ima just hold out for now
providedlava
Becomes an emergency surgery if it becomes strangulated, man.
JGBarco
yeah... ive been living with it for like 6 years already... i just dont really have the time to take off work to get surgery or w/e... 1/x
JGBarco
doctors said they would recommend that i get it taken care of but, that if its not bothering me, i can live with it for the time being 2/3
Asikar
Whereas i actually went to the doctor for mine and they told me it was too small to fix. Never mind that it causes daily discomfort.
JGBarco
that sucks... i originally had it when i was really young, like 3, got surgery and it came back about 6 years ago... 1/2
JGBarco
doctors said i could live with it. it used to be uncomfortable when it first came back, but now i dont notice it 2/2
TunaCone
I’m guessing it’s also in the US? Lack of insurance plays a large role in that, I’m sure.
iluvbunbuns
It would bet that lack of healthcare isn't it. Work in healthcare and ALOT of people are afraid of the doctor and hospitals.
plzbringsnacks
Yeah I'm not and it would cost more than my income to have basic insurance. That's not even considering the co-pay.
9point3x62
I had an employee with good insurance through the company who let a colon cancer tumor grow to the size of a grapefruit rather than go to Dr
9point3x62
He never went and got it checked out for a year of escalating symptoms such as bloody stool and difficulty taking a dump
SociallyAwkwardPenguins
Try working specifically in the dental field. People typically only smile as they’re leaving.
boareo
My dental care in Canada is covered by private insurance through work. Only go when I have to and it’s expensive for a checkup.
ForTheMostPart
Going to the dentist or anything dental related absolutely terrifies me.