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CafeNervosa
Can I please get some sauce on why women in India are fighting to wear one?
Seanspeed
Hijabs are cute.
prettydumb
yeah one is more of a right to choose than the other my friend lol
eStroJen28
And in the US, we’re also fighting for the right to choose. A corpse has more rights than I do.
1nonlyS
Free choice nice
easyoneundone
the US women will do the same soon
IBroughtASpareDrainpipe
It's almost as if there was a message here for US (the USA). Like women should make all the decisions about their own bodies.
witalaska4
Same in the US. Women here are fighting for their rights to choose abortion or not
midnightmoodswing
All religion is EVIL
digigypsy
Religion !
Arsikere
the women in india are fighting for the right for other women to be forced to wear one. there's a difference
JustAnotherForTheMasses
That's true too
2ti6x
its almost as if both are fighting for their right to wear whatever THEY want.
Margrave9000
And French women are fighting for the burkini. Strange how the media is silent on this.
BackInto
Amen
vicvalour
And women in the "greatest county in the world" ate fighting just to have life saving abortions. What fucking year is this???
yourmomscheese
Thank god in the USA our women don’t need to fight for the right to…. Oh wait…
TigersOnAcid
StevenNumber3
Blaming religion is true. Be we (The USA) own this. We overthrew the moderate president in Iran so US corporations could benefit from oil.
DaisyWarrior
Toro1d
Truly, this is the garb of a superior religion!
TheVampireDante
Just remember, thou shalt not refer to the Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas as "Bolter Bitches". - At least not within firing range.
MeasuredByFive
Women here want to be seen with any kind of hair ,any and every color in every style imaginable.
ameranthe
When a man wonders what women really want, it's this. The right to choose, every damn time.
DigYourselfBaby
"When a man wonders what women really want" he's a lazy idiot. People don't come with instructions for a reason; everyone is different.
L1ota
It's almost like religion is bad or something
theMonkeyTrap
Are they though? or is it a few women trying to get other women to fall in line with 'their' religious beliefs?
AKATenn
the question i have for the women in india... have they ever heard of the phrase "be careful what you wish for" because another way to
Rip42
Protesting a ban does not mean you're in favor of mandates.
AKATenn
put it is women in india want to take the right of other people to choose not to wear a hijab away.
Dagordae
Only if you are a complete moron. India’s rush to theocratic rule is NOT to protect it’s women or people. Especially not Muslim women/people
AKATenn
because of how that religion works.
LumpPump
well as long as they are fighting for individual choice, then if they make it a mandate vs choice, they will hopefully still keep fighting>
LumpPump
> till the morons in charge get it right
Omnimorph2112
Shall we all just sync up so we're doing our social/global fighting at the same time.
Arsikere
the assumption being we can all get along despite our differences, which isn't possible
Omnimorph2112
No, I mean we all settle our differences at the same time! Unless the difference is for when to settle it...
gonzar09
"I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who walks into a greasy spoon and wonders 'Gee, should I get the-
gonzar09
-T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of BBQ ribs with the side order of gravy fries?'. I want high cholesterol; I want to eat bacon and butter-
gonzar09
-and buckets of cheese, ok? I want to smoke Cuban cigars the size of Cincinatti in the non-smoking section! I want to run through the -
gonzar09
-streets naked with green jello all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? I might just have the feeling to do so, ok pal? I've -
gonzar09
-seen the future; Y'know what it is? It's a 40 year old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas drinking a banana broccoli shake -
gonzar09
-thinking 'I'm an Oscar Meyer Weenie'."
whoisyourdaddy
women in india have to fight to wear one?
Lilo808Lilo
In india, under their prime minister modi, people are enforcing or following the hindutva ideology.
whoisyourdaddy
This planet is more than a little f'd up.
Lilo808Lilo
SleepinessOfTheBanana
How to solve the problem: Switch women in these countries.
Seanspeed
I mean, that is definitely missing the point.
minant
Historically, solutions like that have not gone well. See also: the Pakistan/India partition.
MissSiesta
Like women in the states are fighting for THEIR right to choose too (what to do with their bodies)
ameranthe
That's feminism in a nutshell, reduced to its purest form. Equality and the right to choose. That's the whole thing.
MultiOfPersonality
But somehow in 2022 it's still too fucking radical. I hate this world.
casualgenderquestion2718
you mean to tell me that stuff about feminists hating men and burning bras was just a lie told to me to protect the patriarchal order?
casualgenderquestion2718
guess i forgot the /s
DukeDarkwood
The bra-burning was literally the same act of protest as the hijab-burnings. As for the "radical man-haters", of course the oppressors want
casualgenderquestion2718
it also never happened - the bra-burning was a myth, which was invented to uphold patriarchal order, which i thought i was being sarcastic
casualgenderquestion2718
enough to imply. my bad.
DukeDarkwood
to hold the worst examples of their opposition up as if they were all that way. Propaganda 101.
mmiigg
But how often is it really a women's choice to wear a scarf?
Dagordae
Yeah, that’s very much a circular argument. You are starting under the assumption that no woman would want to follow the cultural norms they
Dagordae
Are raised in(But only this particular culture) and thus they must be forced and therefore banning it is freedom. All forms of dress are
Dagordae
Culturally mandated, why have you decided that this one is special? Would you ask this about a woman wearing a dress? That was a very
Dagordae
Common legal requirement not too long ago all over the western world. Is banning dresses freeing?
mmiigg
The scarf itself represents repression, violence against women, control, "hiding a women's beauty" because men can't control themselves.
elbac
Thank God women can choose freely in US :P
zoraniko
Unlike France
MultiOfPersonality
Arsikere
...they can choose what to wear or not wear here in the US, yes
MultiOfPersonality
Not without being slut shamed or harassed by mongoloids
Arsikere
fine, there are assholes out there. are there any LAWS that are preventing them from dressing a certain way?
MultiOfPersonality
No but it's often one of the first things used against a woman if she's been raped or sexually assltd. "Well what were YOU wearing?"
Dagordae
Yeah, hate to break it to you but there is a MASSIVE difference between socially expected behavior and legally enforced behavior. I mean, if
GriffinMann41
There are in a couple places actually. I have a clip here somewhere of a woman being arrested for 'nudity' while wearing a thong @ the beach
kakivara
Women can't choose freely in the US, and God is actually the reason for that also (just like the other women who can't choose).
elbac
oh no..they can choose abortion in Idaho, Texas, oklahoma, Wisconsin, Arkansas and so many other states..just need to drive to another state
kakivara
That's not what choose means.
MultiOfPersonality
Yea cause that's TOTALLY POSSIBLE for everyone, you stupid shit
elbac
I don't have a car...
MultiOfPersonality
Me either. Or money for transpo.. But I'm lucky to live in wa. This still does not make it ok for the millions of women who no longer have
enheru
Most of them have no choice whether to wear them or not. If it's not forced by the state it's forced by their families. It's oppressive.
suckstoyourauntie
The reason for covering the hair/face in Islam is decency and modesty, but men are just old to avert their eyes. It's inequality.
azazyel
Same thing happens in the US.
zoeytg
Tough one. People in the US who attack those who do under the belief its forced on women. Some of those women say it's by their choice.
TerrenceMorgan
Religion
rulerofthedingdongs
At school we regularly have girls who experiment with it in intermediate grades. Some choose it, some don’t. Liberal families allow choice.
doyourperu
At our school we have girls who take it off as soon as they get inside, then it goes on again for their walk home.
enheru
Yes, some girls have a choice, but a whole lot don't.
7punto34
Some fight with their families for that choice, they shouldn't have to fight for that right at 11 or 13.
Dagordae
Ah yes. ‘We will protect your freedom to choose by making damn sure you don’t get a choice.’ Tell me: What other dress codes are on your
Dagordae
MUST BE BANNED list? Or is it just Middle Eastern dress codes that need to be banned in the name of freedom?
enheru
There is no option here that presents freedom of choice. It's about protecting women from being forced to do it.
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enheru
You act like women would magically have a choice were the ban removed. They wouldn't.
Mairoa
I've known women who wore and got accused of being forced all the time. Lived in the US, no family they know of. Who tf is forcing them?
enheru
Reading is fucking hard apparently, because I never said all, I said most. Some women chose, a whole fucking lot of them have no choice.
llgghh17
Where are these polls??? You say "most"... Based on what??
Mairoa
One lady broke down crying about it once. Her only living family was her sister... Who didn't wear it. But nah she didn't have agency.../s
Mairoa
Have you asked why? I've been told by the folks that choose it do so it's mostly bc they want their ideas focused on, not their looks.
llgghh17
1000%. Also what makes one comfortable. I feel better in jeans, some prefer shorts. Cloth provides me comfort, same for some with the hijab.
becauseurwrong
That's the problem. We live in a world where women are judged on looks & stereotypes. That reasoning given is the illusion of free choice.
becauseurwrong
Keeping all clothing as a personal choice is good until we address the main issue of total women liberation. Or blindfolding all men.
rawdog
Common problem....always....religion.
f0622
Religious beliefs are always a pretext to gain control/wealth over a group of people.
42underscores
Quakers?
Sesquey
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/04/religion-poisons-everything.html
beepsboopssneepssnoops
Toxic masculinity is the problem. Religions are all led by the same type.
Zega000
It's extremists, if it weren't religion it would be something else. The point is control and religion is a big factor in that.
thatsbadmmkay
It would have to be some else that indistinguishable from religion. So it would still be religion.
Zega000
You're not thinking big picture; dogmas, ideology, fear- religion is just a factor in all this, not the whole.In other words: it goes deeper
naught101
Religion enforced by the state
TA2019
Fundamentally it's the fact that there's always some small group trying to dictate moral right and wrong for everyone else.
Elyodix
Maybe Karl Marx was right about religion, and capitalism, and pretty much everything he said actually...
AgainstMethod
The labor theory of value is deeply flawed.
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
Religion is the weapon here ... not the root cause. It's about power and control, not actually about religion itself.
rawdog
Judeo-christian and Islamic religions all share female subordination. Since its the word of god, you cant question...Its a mighty weapon
42underscores
Agreed. People did this in Greece and Rome before Christianity too
TsubakiTragic
That's the point... abolish religion and the male dominated stick falls away.
treed240z
I thought you were gonna say Power hungry men...but yeah, it's religion this time.
StellarJay77
They are the same picture.
Althox00
Religion isn't really the problem, it's not having a separation between church and state. And I say that as a devout atheist.
thatsbadmmkay
Religion is the tool that primes people to unquestionably follow authority figures. And that's its primary purpose.
Althox00
Yeah but you can do that without religion as well. Tyranny is the bigger problem.
thatsbadmmkay
Just like you can kill people without a gun, but a gun makes it a lot easier. Both are just tools of destruction.
PrecogFrogOnALog
Religion is just the tool used by power hungry men
treed240z
TiredOldBroad
What’s the difference?
treed240z
One has people die for "the good of the country" the other has them die for an imaginary friend.
LumpPump
so no difference? tho thats coming from a merican that watch em use making the the imaginary friend proud as the reason to fight for country
EverNotRelevant
Patriarchal religion, so...
treed240z
Russia, China, and North Korea all have massive global issues, and the top isn't due to religion. It's shitty power hungry guys.
Misteree8
And yet a closer look shows theyve basically made the state something to worship,like a religion. As for russia, it was always in bed with
Misteree8
2/the states orthodox church. Where do you think theyre idea to criminalize homosexuality derived.
EverNotRelevant
Yeah, that was my point.