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hipposinthemist
with same sex marriage yes, but not with abortion
AdamNeverAskedForThisJensen
Where can I buy a same sex marriage?
KimchiQueen
CrazyGuyOnABike
That's not even the same logic. Gay marriage affects you in no way. There's a remote chance that a gun owner shoots me with it.
SneakEFoxxe
Technically we don't know how this guy feels about those issues
J2wooly
Personally, I don't care about same sex marriage (don't even think gov. should be involved anyways), but abortion is literally bringing 1/2
J2wooly
an end to what would be an innocent life. 2/2
Russellstiltskin
Don't like gays, don't buy one?
Gunslingerprobst
lmao!!!!
iPretend
I'm rather right wing Christian, and Same sex marriage was a dumb fight for Christians. We don't own Marriage. Why not ban Hindu marriage?
BubbaRunski
Answer: the evangelicals probably would if they could.
Guillo1985
The only problem with that "logic" is your retarded ass can still buy a gun and shoot me
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
And your retarded ass can still kill a future human by getting an abortion.
baumbachaflocka
Sure for gay marriage but I think abortion is an entirely different situation.
TheMightyMoto
I don't think enough people use logic when it comes to things like this.
punnyAF
Really surprised this post hasn't caused a shit storm in the comments section... yet
destinoz
I doubt opponents of gun and abortion rights would see this as a compelling argument. Both believe they are trying to save lives.
mikerspd
As do proponents of both.
DrGlickenstine
Yea nah
DysgraphicProgrammer
Nobody over missed with an abortion and hit the wrong fetus.
SugarSmack
That abortion clinic is a fuckin Mad House! SORRY! Sorry. Oh God. SORRY AGAIN! Fuck. Could someone PLEASE get the other pregnant ladies out?
nextgenpants
That sticker was in response to people saying it about abortion and same sex marriage, so we're just continuing the circle of stupid.
scuba7jb
And physician assisted dying.
WarwickPuckerson
I'm not specifically arguing either side, but not everything deserves equal treatment. "Don't like robberies? Don't commit one"
buckhunterhart
By this logic we should have federally subsidized gun buying programs and special bathrooms for concealed carriers.
NamelessAndrew
1/2: I think society would be much better off if everybody had the right to own guns but nobody felt the need to excercise it. The best way
NamelessAndrew
2/3: to prevent violence isn't to fight it with more violence or violently take away someone's right to defend themselves. People don't
NamelessAndrew
3/3: commit crine because they're evil criminals; they do it because they have no choice, which can be solved with public education and UBI
Drapetomanius
Trouble is, the State has a vested interest in convincing us that these things neccesarily threaten others, and must be controlled.
humptysorthopedic
All states in history control masses, by force & terror & consent & soft pressure. They also defend stuff like property rights & econ system
Drapetomanius
"An expropriating property protector is a contradiction in terms." -Hans Hermann Hoppe
DVSBSTrD
Only if by state you're referring to the ones controlled by Republicans.
ZaphodBbx
This would make *more* sense if people only used them to shoot themselves... -- Proud 2nd amendment supporter, who also owns common sense...
MikeyDoesThings
That has to be the dumbest thing I read all day. Congrats.
irishrelief
Well most gun deaths are suicides.
DVSBSTrD
So you vote Democrat, and not the party that's in the pocket of the NRA?
DefinitelyNotCera
Whether you agree or not, abortion is a different matter entirely. Opponents belief the fetus is human, so it's a matter of murder to them.
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ElsoKukaba
A whole lot of them do! Many identify as Libertarians.
henrysnugglemonster
Libertarian here, can confirm. If you don't like ______, then don't participate in _____.
PersonalityFire
So since you don't like civilization, why don't you just fuck off to the woods forever?
henrysnugglemonster
I'm not a right wing gun nut, I just believe in liberty friend. I do pretty well in civilization thank you.
alanasaurus
I'm secretly worried that if there are guns around me I'll try it out and find out I like it
VultureTX
that sounds more like the argument of lonely gay males I have heard multiple times in their forlorn overtures.
DVSBSTrD
I feel the same way about abortions.
cocodonut
Nothing to worry about, you probably will like it: guns are a fun test of skill, like shooting a basketball.You just have to be very careful
CrazyGuyOnABike
I never liked it much. Archery was too much fun and too much cheaper.
StonesOnTheHill
Making slings is even cheaper. But it's not as appealing for a lot of people to throw rocks around.
craze
Agree. All people should exercise freedom of choice rather than trying to force their views on others.
Gunslingerprobst
You mean like you are doing now.....hmmmmmmm.
ImgursLibertarian
I agree
captainspizzo
Careful... Imgur hates libertarians.
craze
yeah I get that a lot here. =)
Mcmcman
Most of us apply the logic to gay marriage. But that's entirely a different from abortion.
FoeOfFauxPho
This got downvoted. Someone out there apparently thinks abortion and gay marriage are the same thing. imgur you so crazy.
Mcmcman
Imgur is very pro abortion. Lots of media outlets are too, so generally people aren't publicly anti-abortion. I am. I'm fine with downvotes
CharterOak
What are you talking about, "pro abortion"? Who exactly is pro abortion? "Pro choice" means we support people's right to make their own 1
CharterOak
decisions about their bodies. "Pro abortion" makes it sound like we relish the prospect of abortions. 2
Mcmcman
If anything, pro life people are pro choice, because they're giving the child the right to not to die, to live and choose their own life
J2wooly
So, does the human life ended with an abortion get a say in what happens to their body?
CharterOak
Considering they aren't conscious, no. Especially since the person making the decision for them is the one we trust in just about every 1
kamosey
I hear abortion is rarely a problem in same sex marriage.
wellju
Why, does it go quicker if same sex?
Whatisthepointofausernamanyways
justbelowme
Morkboosic
Fucking lul
homoerection
Aborted on impact.
6pace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwhCwREt6xo
AskMeIfImFunAtParties
I had a coworker once equate gay marriage to genocide...
Redwolf2495
septillion
really? if I was in a same-sex marriage and my partner got an abortion, that would be a pretty big fucking problem.
DarkZalgo
An extremely expensive one too.
orgeezuz
https://img.ifcdn.com/images/bf1bdf2a60ad0801aab94db618a83334333005eeb48f1eb276ba2d2e0c441e39_1.jpg
nethsmith
You clever s.o.b
TheWebProgrammer
batlrar
This may be a surprise, but most people who were aborted don't even end up marrying at all!
iamthesharkontheleft
I mean, it hasn't come up yet, but I keep trying to knock him up.
FrozenFoodGuy
11 months later... any more success by now?
iamthesharkontheleft
I mean, we haven't had to have any abortions.
Crowlands
This is a bad argument. I don't like guns due to the fact that it's far easier for someone else to shoot me, in America.
Crowlands
However, I also recognise that it's basically an unfix-able problem by now.
Tanwolf
The problem has never been the guns, the problem is why someone would want to kill someone else to begin with.
Crowlands
Well as a Brit, the problem isn't as much guns here, because we began with stricter gun laws. Putting them in place now, in America, 1/2
Crowlands
is, as the saying goes, "Closing the door after the horse has bolted". Dangerously crazy people have already got guns Via loopholes.2/2
Tanwolf
Even without guns, the murder rate is still higher than other similar countries. For 2014, 8k by firearms, 4k by other means.
2074red2074
Unfortunately there are areas where you need guns. Some areas have bears, some have moose, some have wild hogs, etc.
DeafVader11
And criminals...
Crowlands
I just wish they'd A: close the gun show loopholes B: be stricter on access for the mentally ill C: maybe not allow armour piercing bullets?
Rexli78
It's not so much the mentally ill you want to worry about and more people with personality disorders or people who are emotionally unstable.
DeafVader11
Once again... there's no such thing as gun show loop holes. They do background checks there too.
unklfranco888
The gun show loophole is not real. All licensed gun dealers must BG check every buyer. Always. Every private sale is private. Always.
Ohemefgee
A: demonstrably nonexistent. B: see form 4473 question 11:f. C: deliberately ambiguous definition by the ATF, also cost prohibitive.
ColdHandsWarmHeart
yeah... except a baby is a little human. (bracing for downvotes)
NiceFicus
I agree with you here, but I'm still pro choice. I personally wouldn't abort a baby, but I can't make that decision for everyone.
tehflan
"I personally wouldn't treat black people like property, but I can't make that decision for everyone."
MrSpookywasagoodboy2
No it's a parasite till it turns eighteen sometimes longer
Kerro1981
Nobody aborts babies, they abort foetuses.
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
A fetus is GOING to be a baby eventually. You are ending a life. Come to terms with it.
Kerro1981
You should come to terms with the fact that not all foetus become babies.
swiftshiv
You're absolutely correct. A baby is a little human. A fetus is not.
CommentsWithGandalf
Something something about in the Bible it even says that before certain maturity young are automatically innocent and accepted into heaven.
CommentsWithGandalf
So even if a fetus is alive and self aware it ends up in the best place without having to endure the shit here
CommentsWithGandalf
Or at least this could be a counter argument to the extreme religious anti-abortionists
JustFeedMePieDammit
It's like... A really gnarly jellybean
swiftshiv
One of the tastiest
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
A fetus is GOING to be a baby eventually. You are ending a life. Come to terms with it.
swiftshiv
So you adopt the babies, then.
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
I'm going to use birth control. Better to not have a problem than fix it in the messiest way possible.
TheMightyMoto
No one is saying kill babies. Fetuses are another thing though.
ThatDwarfWhoStealsYourOpinions
A fetus is GOING to be a baby eventually. You are ending a life. Come to terms with it.
TheMightyMoto
I aint doing anything. I am a man so I cant even have an abortion.
ColdHandsWarmHeart
human fetus
perfecteye18
'______' fetus
ColdHandsWarmHeart
Why does "human fetus" get downvoted?? You guys....
Sloppydrunkcatlady
Hold a baby and a fetus, you have to pick one to kill. Are you going to kill the baby? Probably not.
ColdHandsWarmHeart
silly
Texantioch
No it isnt.
Sloppydrunkcatlady
If someone truly thinks a baby and fetus are the same, they'd be incapable of making the choice.
GangsterRapMadeMeSayIt
I love guns. But this doesn't make much sense. Ppl who don't like guns dislike the impact other ppl's guns have on others/society.
SugarSmack
I love babies but don't like the impact of unwanted children & families trapped in poverty on others/society.
skelitor120
That's true, but this argument makes a bit more sense when you think specifically of the laws made about guns that are completely ignorant--
skelitor120
-- of how guns work at all, like the "assault" weapon ban. People who make laws on guns should know what a fucking gun is.
thecolonels
I strongly believe everyones perfered system would be that only they have a gun. Compromising leads to either everyone having them or no one
Bystandr
OK but the problem is banning guns only takes them from law abiding citizens while criminals can still procure them, making the situation
minotaur5150
How has what is going on in EU not proof that getting rid of guns won't fix this problem?? No gun? Hit em wit a car, no reloading needed
Bystandr
Thats just it. Focus the issue. Ideology. How do you fight it? With education and engagement. Community involvement. The bans are just
Bystandr
restriction. An attempt at a blanket solution that doesnt work. Ban the guns , people use cars and make bombs with household ingredients.
Bystandr
And they can STILL get the guns if they want, too, in many cases. Its the people that choose to obey the law that wont have them.
minotaur5150
I agree completely. I got downvoted cause Im sure people think Im some kind of 'gun nut', which is not the case.
minotaur5150
I dont like reactionary responses. We get upset because of what is right in front of us and make a snap decision without looking at the
Bystandr
worse, by unfairly limiting the ability of law abiding citizens who would otherwise own guns from defending themselves and others.
ScrooblyDoobles
Laws aren't just about prevention. Also about having a means to prosecute. Same reason murder is illegal when obviously people still do it.
ScrooblyDoobles
Also, reducing the amount of guns floating around does reduce crime and murder rates, it's not about reaching 0. That'll never happen.
Schmedes
Your abortion isn't going to kill my existing family. Your guns might.
DeafVader11
Oh yeah, tell that to China.... the government took the guns away then took people's land away....
FoeOfFauxPho
*facepalm
rotten2core
How would his guns kill your family?
airen
Do you......not know how guns work?
rotten2core
No I own many firearms. They've never killed anyone. I don't see how they could unless I made them.
cantstopfire
are we doing this dumb shit again, "guns don't kill people people kill people" yer you're a fucking moron
AllThePups
Right? It's not the guns fault the same way it's not the child's fault.
Falsie
We're lucky you're not as much a dumbass as you could be, then. Not everyone is like you. Sadly, everyone can buy guns as easily as you.
AMartianPotato
Exactly...
SidneyHarbor
Somebody who is anti-abortion is so because of the same reason people are anti-murder. They don't have to be anti-kill only for family.
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AllThePups
It's cuz Christians believe every life is precious, they just don't want to pay for anyone else after they're born.
SidneyHarbor
It comes from a verse in the bible that says God knows you while you were still in the womb, meaning you're valid as life before birth.
RepostFromLastWeek
They are against killing yet they have no issue with the death penalty?
adavaas
Devil's advocate: Convicted people sentenced to death made their choices & lived with the consequences. Fetuses did not get a choice.
adavaas
I'm not against abortion (in the sense that I don't care about it) and am against the death penalty. But the above is how some see it.
SidneyHarbor
If you're talking about Catholics, they are VERY anti death penalty and also run hospitals and orphanages.
causality
People are anti-abortion because they believe killing a fetus is murder.
Schmedes
Yes but just not buying guns doesn't mean guns won't affect your loved ones. It's not as easily "ignored", I guess.
dunedog
There are folks who are anti-abortion who shoot up and/or bomb clinics. They are not "pro-life" they are "pro-my-god-said-so."
causality
Which is dumb because even the bible doesn't consider abortion murder. Purposefully causing a miscarriage has a lesser punishment.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
It depends on what it is about killing a human that is bad.
YouWillNotLikeThis
And key there is "believe". Since it isn't, but shooting a guy to death so he dies is actual murder
aMassiveMurderousDick
Just curious, when do you personally consider it a "baby" instead of a "fetus"?
shhep
When vast majority of medical world and scientists decide. So like, after first... 3 or 4 months? Not sure how long exactly.
causality
Personally I don't really see a logical reason that babies deserve more rights than, say, dolphins until they start speaking.
rosiethereaver
When it's a baby and not a fetus. The distinction exists for a reason.
nobodylikesmyname
So is executing an innocent person in prison via the death penalty ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
PleasantPeasantPheasant
Which rarely happens due to super expensive trials that could have paid for 10 life-time-prison sentences. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BleepBlorpBop
Inaccurate.
LetMeWriteYouaCzech
I don't think anyone is for the execution of innocent people? What's your point?
aPurpleLiger
Which pro-lifers are generally also against?
GnomeDeGuerre
*pro-birthers and how do you know that?