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Psychopath vs sociopath
I know this information has been expounded upon, so some of it might be out of date.
PaintedSlate
Waaaay too much wrong mixed in here to be useful.
DanJonesKing
Lying to someone to see if they're lying. I see nothing that can go wrong with that... nothing at all.
Darnitpeoplelikeme
“Are violent” - completely incorrect
Lobuttomize
Never trust an infographic
Kaplar
That top red flag of manipulation is garbage. Words being used against you can be because you said shitty things.
DevonGronka
Yeah, thanks for giving free advert to a crappy advertising site. This isn't "psychology". This is "pop psych" that you hear repeated in 1/2
DevonGronka
cop dramas and daytime talk shows. It doesn't even properly cite things. The twin study it references in #1 is riddled with holes and biases
sacrosanctt
Holy hell this is a bullshit ridden, unresearched pile of garbage.
WR0NGDUCKFACTS
Hmmmmmmm
jewdydench
This was obviously not created by anyone with a psych degree or MD
snackmanistan
As someone with a psych degree, this post hurts me.
jewdydench
As someone studying to get a MD, this post is insulting to me and people who actually have mental illness
SirSpiffyDijelos
Whoa whoa whoa, sociopaths are rarely aggressive. Lacking empathy =/= violent behavior and domination complexes.
Waitinglikeastalkingbutler
TapToRetry
Mental illness gets a bad wrap b/c of its neg. connotation. People will treat a sore throat but not a sore mind. We all face it 2 some degre
AnUnknownErrorOccurred
*Pseudoscience/soft science dump
rhcpmuse911
Pseudo psychology dump*
LordxGodxKing
serious #1 turned me away
rhcpmuse911
It's just a synonym for ASPD
LordxGodxKing
they're not real terms
ParksAnnRec
Narcissists are usually passionate, romantic, and attentive lovers. That's one way they reel you in.
DooDooDaddy
It all depends on what your "weakness" is. Narcissists are bizarrely adopt to finding what trigger point will appeal to someone.
margaretolson
My mom is a narcissist. She's the worst
bollabr
TomatoPepper
Why is not "joined imgur" in those charts?
jumbosmooth
It definitely contributes to social isolation.
SpaceISIS
maybe the next chart will include Imgur Depression dumps as a symptom
Aethers
What if I just manipulate to get upvotes ?
Softcreamybeige
Every time I see psych "facts" like these I die a little bit more on the inside.
AnUnknownErrorOccurred
Agreed. Each time this is reposted, the population gets just a little bit dumber.
Softcreamybeige
Nonpsych peoples perception of psych is wack. It's no surprise to me why people doubt the validity of it when they post bs like this
RoyalOli
I’ll pass on the generalisations and stereotypes thanks
GreatOdinsTaint
Most of this is not factual, but rather vague heuristics, other things on this list are quite incorrect.
Cole2999
The red flags in that last one are wildly generic. If you're unhappy but want to keep a relationship it doesn't mean youre being manipulated
Cole2999
I felt I was walking on eggshells my last relationship, but that was because I'm way too overprotective.
Cole2999
It really doesn't distinguish between things the other person is pressuring you to feel and things you naturally feel, and that's important.
warmNchewey
Psychopaths and sociopaths are not always violent.
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warmNchewey
This is very true.
threeblackkittens
They also aren't actual psych medical terms.
warmNchewey
Well it's not technically a disease. I know there are certain brain patterns but its definitely not in the DSM VI (I think that's the #)
cracklinoatbran
Most are CEOs or successful business people who use manipulation rather than violence to get what they want.
DemonCreepTimes
I don't want to be THAT person... but is this really a credible source? There are several typos and it says on the website's disclaimer 1/
tollerscream
As a criminologist, I disagreed with a lot of it, for what that's worth.
tittydicks
I’m confident more than half of these statistics are completely fabricated
webrakefornobody
Keep being that person. Stay skeptical, you critical thinker, you.
LordxGodxKing
I stop at #1, its BS
Denamic
It's not. Even the first picture is blatantly wrong. Few psychopaths are violent, and even sociopaths aren't always violent.
plactoid
Plus they are clinically the same now... According to the DSM 5 AT least, not sure about the international book.
Thanatos121
IIRC it's not so much that they're the same, so much as it is "psychopath" is and was always a bogus term that meant nothing.
ajpimpsalll
My ex was a psychiatrist and I helped her study for and pass her boards. Literally every infographic is completely wrong.
kenta89
No, alot of it false or misinterpreted.
DemonCreepTimes
"no guarantee is given that the information provided in this website is correct, complete, and/or up-to-date." /2
lurtsman
For what it is worth, that is a very standard legal disclaimer. It basically means: "Don't sue me, I'm tired of lawyers."
thefellerwhathadthatusername
By all means be that person. Skepticism and critical thinking are valuable traits. It's ok to be a spoilsport when the sport is ignorance.
AnUnknownErrorOccurred
What frygyd said. Please be that person. It's bullshit like this that makes people distrustful of actual science.
PirateRubberDuck
At least some of it is wrong so not very credible. I stopped reading after the first picture though.
GoldFrieza
What is the point of #3 ? Is the point to show us effective ways to lie?
HollyFlamingNinjaNaziBatman
I heard there was a fire in your comment box last night?
GoldFrieza
Not me
jokeinsurance
Also did you notice the credit name? It's that shrink from the Terminator films.
Not2cool4anyone
#3 shows that, in both instances, the guy is a moron.
danthorg
Plot twist: he is a firefighter
Not2cool4anyone
Oh, and that, according to #1, the woman is a psychopath.
shangooo
Always found it funny how these infoposter things mostly seem to paint just men who're psycho/sociopaths
Wolfmanwolf
Yeah don’t get me started on my first girlfriend... (no it’s not resentment, everyone thinks she’s crazy)
shangooo
Yeah, my ex was a black belt in manipulation and compulsive lying.
Wolfmanwolf
Mine just had more problems than the governments of all the countries put together, and that made her batshit crazy.
alsoAzrael
Which one does that? I must have missed it.
shangooo
It's not that I really care, I just think it sometimes perpetuates unfair and unhealthy stereotypes
shangooo
Referring to "him" in the first, male symbols and pictures used, using male examples of lying. Only one of these admits both sexes.
alsoAzrael
male examples of lying? The "pathological lying" one specifically says both sexes do it equally. Which examples are male?
alsoAzrael
I mean, they wanted an example, they needed to pick one. That one is bad anyway, it suggests lying to detect lying. But I see what you mean.
alsoAzrael
Oh wait, nvm. I see what you're referring to.
10mm404
Pro tip, ADHD and ASPD can NOT be treated with an antidepressant! Only an amphetamine or methylphenidate. Because serotonin blocks dopamine
10mm404
receptors. A deficit of dopamine is compulsion which is “an irresistible urge to behave in a certain way, especially against one's conscious
10mm404
wishes” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24284138/
10mm404
You were saying @CuntPuncher1000 ? You deleted your comment because you realized I know what I'm talking about.
10mm404
There is ONLY one way to treat ADHD! Give the brain the neurotransmitters it doesn't have enough of.
firearmofdoom
Finally someone who has done there research to many people buy into well the fda approved it so it’s fine thing
10mm404
The FDA approved rBGH in milk but that's what caused the calcification on the basal ganglia in my brain!
10mm404
rBGH in milk causes hypothyroidism. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17179586
SpaceCthulhu
PurpleMay6
I cried when I first saw that scene. Heartbreaking
greckspluck
Amazing show. Highly recommend. It gets so much better after the first season.
stxtfr
3rd season is my favorite. So many “put down the remote and contemplate my own life” moments.
greckspluck
*Bojack Horseman, all on Netflix :)
Slimey
I could never get into it due to how fucking real it gets and is.
theacidtest
Totally get that. I love the show but this is what I hear from everyone who doesn’t like it or hasn’t watched it. Shit gets pretty heavy
Dafilip94
Agreed. One moment I’m laughing, then suddenly I take a turn down a sad alley.
DoublevBomb
The penultimate episode of each season is a joyous knife in the gut.
AnAliyAiden
I think I'm a compulsive lying psychopath...
Livingstone98
I don't believe you.
TackerTacker
...or just a hypochondriac person
Obipan
That’s exactly what a manipulator would say...
BlueManticore
That's exactly what a manipulator would say...
jojogarsia
That’s exactly what a manipulator would say...
AnAliyAiden
That's exactly what a manipulator would say...
Manbehindthemadness
I don't believe you
louferrigno
Marry me!
insanity540
fiveftninja
my theory is that we are all psychopaths and everyone is just lying about it
koorok
Is that a lie?
DerperDerperBoBerperBananaFanaFoFerper
I cross-referenced this with WebMD and it turns out I have connectivity issues.
Dabumblebee
Well now I don't believe you.
ChowGozen
Liar
webrakefornobody
stinkyfist
Yeah, but you are probably lying about that too... bet you're lovely. You psycho!
iamleejn
Nah. This infographic mentions colors as being psychologically significant: the bullshit-o-meter is reading 50 mega derps.
AnAliyAiden
Yeah I was lost when it came to the color chart.
DevonGronka
Psychopath is not actually a psychological diagnosis. It's gross to see "infographs" masquerading around as scientifically informed... =/
DyslexicLexicon
Fun Fact: if you want to know if you're a psychopath, you're not. A real psychopath wouldn't care if they were or not
jadespider
There is a difference between knowing, and caring. It's a Sun-tzu thing.
namiasdf
Do you have a link to an article regarding self-awareness among psychopaths, and how they deal with it?
MakingThingsUp
There actually was a study done on internet communities such as our lovely Imgur, and it actually correlated heavily. (1)
MakingThingsUp
This sort of behavior was hypothesized to be because of the ability to become anonymous and to make things up, like what I am doing. (2)
ImProbablyLyingAboutEverything
I enjoyed every word of this comment specially the ending (could someone please explain the difference between especially and specially?)
MakingThingsUp
I'm glad you liked it, and totally aren't lying like your username would apply.
MakingThingsUp
To level with you just in case, even with my username, specially is just a way to describe someone being special.
dghammer
No problem....70% of Imgurians are like you.
skincancerisfun
except for the successful part.
Abracanawbra
No downvotes I 50 people.
dullguava
Nine out of ten Imgurians agree that, out of ten Imgurians, one will always disagree with the other nine.
babycucumber
One of us! One of us! One of us!
SkyrimTherapistSpecializinginKhajitIssues
This is beautiful.
Raichu900
kaiserdas19
Witcher???
babycucumber
The new Gwent game
HowToBeSuccessfulAsaSerialKiller
Cool! Where did you find this?
TheInvalidUsername
I'm pretty sure it's from Gwent.
babycucumber
Correct
Sithlordofnachos
As far as I know it’s false that sociopaths are in general violent. They’re out for their own personal gain, violence hinders that mostly.
TheAlviss
I'm pretty sure #1 has the two backwards
curmudgeon91
Even psychopaths aren't usually violent. I've known 2 in my life that were pretty apparent. They were always bored, but well behaved.
Psychomma
Generally, neither of them are violent. Psychopaths tend to be ambitious and successful because they want the best for *them* (1/3)
Psychomma
Sociopaths tend to misunderstand social etiquette and the like, and can get in trouble for not understanding and conforming to the norm(2/3)
Psychomma
Finally, neither show a *huge* tendency for violence. Psychopaths manipulate, and Sociopaths have trouble understanding. Both lack empathy.
GeauxGhoti
Would your being psychotic make you A) more or less knowledgeable? And B) more or less likely to tell us the truth?
Psychomma
I'm just a humble Ocarina.
CuntPuncher1000
That's what caught my attention. I agree with you.
zumbamami
You are correct in that someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder is out for their own personal gain. That may play out violently, or 1/?
zumbamami
2/? it may not. For example, such an individual might strive for power in a business setting, rising through the ranks to CEO. Or they
zumbamami
3/? may strive to manipulate and control a romantic partner (which could involve physical abuse). Power is a common theme here, and it isn't
zumbamami
4/4 always sought through physical violence or murder.
firearmofdoom
As far as I was aware neither psychopaths or sociopaths are necessarily violent, they may just not have the emotional consequences others do
milofrank2
They also will consider violence as a viable option. There is no down side for them just whatever is best to get what they want.
66plus3
I remember seeing on a show once that a scientist was doing a study on psychopaths and developed a testing method. He tried it on himself-
66plus3
and the results came back positive. He himself was a psychopath and never knew it. So no, they aren't inherently violent.
Niddhoger
My favorite part was when he was discussing this with friends/family, and they unanimously said "yeah, sounds about right."
TheRealOwl
From what i've heard, they switched around on them aswell, sociopath are more controlled compared to psychopath
TheRealOwl
Like that whole chart in the beginning, most of them should be switched around.
SalsaCat
A while back a guy claiming to be a psychopath made an informational post about himself, and the condition.
hurrdurr69
Yeah he made all that up my dude
DevonGronka
It's false that "sociopath" is even a psychologically meaningful thing. these infographs are full of pop psych urban legends and assumptions
hydrochlorothiazide
Thank you!
manue
Yes
WhiteCollarOfficeJobs
I thought "sociopath" still exists just as an informal (and probably rude) way to refer to someone with APD.
DevonGronka
Meh, both terms originated in popular culture and really have little basis in psych. Psychology is already a largely socially constructed1/2
DevonGronka
field (we understand how people "shouldn't" act based on how they "should" act, which is steeped in all kinds of cultural assumptions. We1/2
DevonGronka
have shifting definitions of what disorders mean, partly because we are still getting a handle on it and partly because labeling people 3/4
rosencrantz2012
As a psych grad
DevonGronka
As a cultural studies grad student, glad I could help. =P It's fascinating how information can be self-perpetuating and taken for granted1/2
DevonGronka
by so many millions of people. I think most people just assume psychopath means something because they've heard it repeated so often.
jadespider
As a psychopath, the calculus of law and society makes violence generally non-beneficial. But change the equations and it's on the table.
tiure
As someone who is probably on the ASPD spectrum somewhere, this is pretty much how it goes. It's not that I or anyone wants to hurt you. 1/2
tiure
It's that under the right circumstances, hurting you would get me something I want. I actually think a little bit of ASPD is adaptive! 2/3
tiure
Being able to consider shockingly immoral things in a rational way isnt a bad thing. Not having a strong emotional reaction is nice too. 3/3
MexicanWarMachine
Jesus Christ, dude, listen to yourself.
jadespider
jadespider
The same thing applies to 99% of all people. Throw someone in a dark alley, endanger their loved ones or their own life. A true US v THEM 1\
jadespider
situation, and any but the most dedicated pacifist monks would fight back. I'm not saying killing, I'm saying just violence. Show that 2\
jadespider
you're not easy prey and they might go away. Do you win? or even survive? maybe not. It's simply a question of would you fight back? 3\
apercent
Stereotypes and generalizations don't become true when you put them in an infographic
PoeKneeTa
Exactly, lol. I had a psych friend explain to me the origin of the words psychopath and sociopath long ago and that infographic is way off.
firearmofdoom
Exactly
D7ve
#1 is just plain incorrect
smurfsmurfsmurf
Most of these are off or false. The compulsive liar one contradicts is self for gods sake. "Not diagnosed" "treated with ___"
DevonGronka
"this fancy sounding website name makes this poorly informed infographic look accurate to me"- 900 imgurians
MexicanWarMachine
THANK YOU. Honestly, pop psychology and pseudoscience become even more transparently stupid when presented this way.
JustDontCare
That's what I thought after the first one.
Ruhig
What, you don't like "facts" about "psychology"? What, you want context or something?
Arathius8
I was alarmed at just how wrong some of this information was. The infographic makes it look so true though!
ShiftingPattern
It's almost like we shouldn't trust a website whose only "product" is massively oversimplified "facts" rendered horrifically inaccurate.
webrakefornobody
Psych PhD here. Stopped reading after "Both are violent." Serious misinformation in this shitpostograph masquerading as science.
securitydevice
Almost as bad as pop Psychology \
MetalPsychologist
It’s very much pop psych. I mean, the meaning of colors?? I teach consumer psych and it’s just not that simple.
SirSpiffyDijelos
I completely agree. I feel that graphic was the equivalent of glueing spaghetti before seeing if it sticks.
OstrichNeckedBastard
Yup, 100%
MetalPsychologist
I didn’t take it serious when I read sociopath. So pretty much right away.
Procrasturbating
Same
ColostomyBrag
Especially considering the first infographic is purely based in pop culture. Psychologists can't even agree on if there IS a difference >>
JosiSagan
I've always heard that they know there is a difference but often cannot label the difference in an individual as psychopaths are 1/3
JosiSagan
manipulative enough to pose as sociopaths in order to get away with their calculated actions. 2/2
ColostomyBrag
Being a psycho- or sociopath doesn't make you automatically intelligent enough to fool people, so this doesn't sound likely.
MisterBluth
My understanding was always that psychopath doesn't feel as if their actions are wrong, sociopath knows it's wrong and does it anyway. idk
ColostomyBrag
>> between a pshyco- or sociopath, let alone what the differences are.
Arathius8
I was taught they are the same thing, but to always use the term "sociopath" because psychopath is just associated with Dexter lol.
anamesa42
Forensic psychology no longer use sociopath at all. It’s not a thing that exists in current academia.
ColostomyBrag
Wow. Learn something new every day! +1
DevonGronka
Neither is really a meaningful term. Both were created and persist through pop culture. Maybe a few psychologists played with the labels,1/2
DevonGronka
but not in a recognized, meaningful way. People want to feel like they can "recognize" evil, so they construct this false person who has 2/3
DevonGronka
no empathy and who gives tell-tale signs about it. I really think if you get down to it, there is no one that actually operates like that.
DevonGronka
What I mean is, if you look at the life of any individual, you'll see there are times they did some crappy things, and times they 1/2