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PolloPerro
Meanwhile, Nigeria is banning white people from being shown in advertisement to "preserve heritage". The irony is palpable.
Hightower840
So, what you're saying is swapping the race of a fictional character is ok, right?
Stinkleberg
awkwardllama
All I care about is keeping the red hair. Go gingers (of any race)!
IMPICKLERICK
SteelTech
Disney thanks you for the free advertisement.
MAup
Pff not focusing on the real issue.. Where is the shell bra?!
Merlin1179
Millstone85
ExTechOp
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KingsOfWinter
She could be white and I still wouldnt watch it
RednapxpandeR
Is it just me or are you getting tired of movie remakes? So hard to put a PoC in something new? Or even anything new at all? lol
awesomecat42
Honestly IMO it's less the remakes and more that they're shitty live-action cash grabs.
RednapxpandeR
That’s a good point. I wonder, production wise, if they are a lot cheaper to produce. I have no knowledge in that area…
machotortuga
Reidsworth
What kind of dye does she use to keep her hair red underwater
KobaandChurchill4eva
Fuck Disney for throwing a young actress into the PR-meat grinder. She will be harassed.
disneyone
Sure thing. But if someone dare to change a black character it's racist, right?
SoMuchPooPooSon
I believe the term "white-washing" is used in the same way as the reverse card in Uno.
FallingStar7669
This is all to make you not think about the fact that Sebastian is going to be a realistic-looking crab, instead of, you know... expressive.
L4dead2
Will he still be Jamaican
CapableTrash
Huh, for some reason I always thought he was supposed to be a lobster, I think it was his long ass face XD
Tezunegari
All I see is the admission that the writers cannot come up with a character of their own and they have to ride the coattails of a classic.
GuggelPlayer
Its Didney remake so its shit no matter who is lead
DangerTrain
I wish they would stop remaking movies, haven't been a fan of any of them.
channelranger
They only exist so they can keep the IP. They aren't meant to be good.
Muffyns
Then why not make a 39 second short and release it
deaconshadow
Fair.
CatsIsTheAnswer
One one hand I agree. On the other, just don't watch it.
broodwarjc
Every single Disney remake has been worse than the original. Why don't they remake the movies of theirs that didn't do well and need it?
stonebrood
because they're not artists, they just hire artists to make money for them
Iresemblethatremark
Because they need to do something with them or the copyrights expire. Disney is notorious for trying to extend them infinitely.
nero4ty2
kids mostly love them and it sells tickets, d+ subscriptions, dvds and in home purchases, as a parent keep them coming
Lisekmaly
I want her to have shark teeth and blodthirsty murderous streak, like cannonical mermaids did not this "little mermaid " fanfic BS
Taxicat
There’s a show called Siren on Freeform that has exactly that.
CGWN
If Disney was going to make this no matter what, there are worse things than making Ariel black. Giving Melissa McCarthy work is one thing.
DigiT00l
Ok, but she was actually very funny in Thor 4
CGWN
I completely forgot she had a cameo in that.
bohjeenie
Ironically another miscasting, original Ursula was based on a drag Queen, Divine (RIP), which would’ve been awesome to see.
SeanBeanJovi
I like her but she's not a good fit. They really should've given a drag queen a chance to play Ursula since she was modeled after Divine.
CGWN
I keep coming back to the idea of Titus Burgess, but if you know of a good drag queen that can sing I'm willing to adjust my head casting.
Someshithead241
I have a few things to say on this. Firstly, I really hate the "what do mermaids look like in real life" or "it's fantasy" arguments, becaus
Someshithead241
They are shit. Always have been, always will be. They are made by people who either don't understand the issues people have or just don't
Someshithead241
Care and don't want to understand. Yes, people are aware mermaids aren't real. It doesn't fucking matter. Yes, its fantasy. However, it is a
Someshithead241
Character based off a certain authors fantasy, and in said fantasy the character was based in Danish culture and since people often write
Forodrim
But the original Story was clearly set in the Caribbean, the Danish West Indies. A white Ariel makes no sense.
Someshithead241
Doesn't have to make sense according to how you would write it. (I mean the people you are implying are common in the carribean were moved
Someshithead241
Their own experiences, the character would represent that culture. So here we are, once again spitting in the face of that fantasy and
Someshithead241
Hiding behind "its fantasy" as if that means you can change whatever you like in any novel because of its genre. If you want to write a
zRude
Disney don't care if the remakes suck. Soon as it extends their IPs to keep that toy n junk selling shit flowing
Randomgamerdude
People say they suck, but they make millions of dollars, meaning they're at least good enough that people other than you enjoy them...
zRude
Sadly yes
Sarnion
Because millions of people exist who pay 30 bucks to watch "eh" movies instead of fans who'd criticize the movie. Disney wants those drones.
Randomgamerdude
Sarnion
You sound like the kind of guy who was okay with Morbius. Whatever, your shit taste is your problem.
Randomgamerdude
You sound very upset over the idea that some people like movies you don't.
zRude
Nothing beats the OGs
groovylovechild
I legit don’t understand. She looks amazing.
StankPitSara
No one cares half as much as the money Disney is making pretending people give a shit.
Chryos
Racism.
groovylovechild
Over a kids show? For little girls to feel seen? It’s so disheartening :( but you’re right. It IS just racism.
FallingStar7669
For crying out loud, dude; they got upset over a fucking M&M. If you have any hope for these people, discard it.
Puppydonk
Guys can we focus on the real issues here? Those being DISNEY MAKING LIVE ACTION REMAKES THAT ARE HOT GARBAGE?
JonSnowAKAAegonTargaryen
Thank you.
whitefoxkei
MiZfUnKy45
I personally LOVED the Aladdin live action
cjadolph13
And look like realistic dull garbage. Nature documentaries havd more vibrant color pallettes.
EstellaOsoka
If they want to remake some movies, remake some vintage classics that could really use it. Like Bedknobs and Broomsticks.
Animorphs
GARBAGE DAY
Bakerysnake
Honestly, I was about to ask that because how many of these remakes have actually been good? I mean I actually kind of liked the Jungle Book
Bakerysnake
remake but I haven't ever seen the original Jungle Book so maybe the story was just that strong.
Landstander2
Aladdin was fine, but characters and all it was just the first movie but less exaggerated, less bombastic
canyouflyyousucker
That's kinda all of em...why can't they remake Atlantis or Treasure Planet. Hot damn would these be awesome.
SoMuchPooPooSon
That's actually the real issue. I see very few people actually mad about the actress. I see people using that as an excuse for criticism.
JimBuckThree
Billions.
JTChee
And now when it fails at the box office, they can say it's from this astroturf bullshit instead of it being because they suck at movies now
Dracongield
Alladin and Beauty and the Beast were good. Haven't seen any others.
CreepyPhlox
I just realized today that the actres is Halle BAILEY, not Halle BERRY. I was so confused by her face for several days.
jzastrow
yeah i honestly don't give a shit about the mermaid's complexion it's the repeated ruining of the legacy animated movies that annoys me
Morpheaus
How is it ruined? I have no interest in these films, but their existence does not detract from the animated films.
bolshevikmuppet
It's hit or miss. I liked LK, Smith genie was kinda depressing tbh, RiP Mr Williams, but malificent was pretty good honestly. Idk about 2.
bolshevikmuppet
Faithfulness to the source? There's some valid complaints but tbh, it's all got layers of sources now, so faith to which one is an issue too
Fendeezy
Like it's a love story but they'll fine a way to add fighting scenes and explosions.
Morpheaus
Which still doesn't detract from the animated films.
Asadsadsadclown
Or that they cast a black actor as a token because they didn’t redesign the character to match. IE: the neon red hair looks like shit.
Asadsadsadclown
If they actually cared about the casting choice they would tailor the designs to fit the pick. Instead of putting brand ahead of them.
wewillwewillbopyou
Looks a normal color in the movie (not this drawings) to me
Asadsadsadclown
The close ups I’ve seen are terrible. The red doesn’t work in general and they dyed her scalp.
Starfury42
Disney has run out of ideas for new/quality movies and are just recycling everything.
DonaldMcLeod
Arent there any folktale left to Disneyfy?
ZoidbergIsGreat
That's the part that pisses me off... there are tons on unexplored myths and legends from around the world. Tell me new stories dammit!
Puppydonk
They're remaking them just to keep their copyright and trademark statuses.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I dunno. Lion King was tepid garbage.. It was my least favourite film of 2019.
Puppydonk
*Slaps desk* THOSE WERENT REAL FUCKIN LIONS, IT WAS CGI AND NOT LIVE ACTION.
SpaceISIS
they really screwed themselves with the photorealistic lions looking generic AF and not reusing the original voice cast
xBoneDaddy
Savagely disagree. Dumpster fire. But hey, that’s just like, my opinion, man.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
To be more specific. It's the kind of garbage when you remove it from the bin, leaks. So you have to double bag it.. Leaving behind a stink.
GuggelPlayer
Thats the thing, they know its bad but they want you to focus on "everyone being racist" making the movie immune to critics
Morpheaus
"Immune to critics" sounds like the sort of bullshit some bigoted moron would say to try to immunize against being called a racist.
Conz
Be mad about recycled content, they should have come up with something new.
wadatahmydamie
They won’t, so you do it.
shadowofacrow
Honestly I am mad about this change simply because black people deserve new, not handydowns.
tzahtman
This is such a flaccid argument. Books/film/tv have been recycling content since storytelling began.
tuxedobob
Yeah, but when books do it, it’s called “second edition.”
fnoigy
Or just let the original be.
ztygs
But that takes EFFORT. Why not just re-do the same story over and over? Much easier!
BrigidtheMechLady
But that means the IP could fall in to the public domain and they can't have that.
AndrlCh
They could still be transformative with it, though. Change the location, adapt using other folklore. Look what they are doing w/ Namor.
ZebraCockSandwich
Now see, THAT would have been cool. Its normal to recycle base story plots, but changing the aspects of the story (setting, character 1/
ZebraCockSandwich
motive, even genre etc) is what can really make it its own piece. 2
igglebotato
The IP STARTED in the public domain, then Disney did what Disney does.
Buscemifier
The IP IS STILL in the public domain, you just can't use Disney's depictions of the characters.
igglebotato
Indeed.
lon3wolf86
there is only so many fables/legends they can adapt XD
ztygs
If only there was a way to create new fables?
lon3wolf86
that would require to make new ip and new ip don't sell as good
UprootedGrunt
but the copyrights!
whitefoxkei
The Little Mermaid is public domain. So is Cinderella and Snow White, the Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast...
UprootedGrunt
But not Disney's version of the characters and story.
Zaboom16
My whole thing is this.. don’t black people deserve ORIGINAL content ?
VagisilToothpaste
This is how a lot of people have felt about this. Why not give them a truly original thing? Seems rude to just be like "here, have a >
VagisilToothpaste
crappy live-action remake that a bunch of racist crybabies are going to make a huge stink about!" They should be working diligently to >
VagisilToothpaste
create a new story, a new set of characters, and a new idea...at the end of the day that would be/feel so much better.
FiveShiftOne
Why are you acting like it's a binary? They can do both at once.
VagisilToothpaste
Can =/= should
garbag3mancan
That's been my position. Corporate pandering w recycled content is gross. Im a 38yr old dude that loved Moana for it's uniqueness specific..
garbag3mancan
..to culture. This Mermaid repackage is lazy cash grab that dismisses criticism as "ur racist"
rothulian
Moana is legit one of the best Disney/Pixar animated movies in a long time. Love that movie.
Zaboom16
Black girls deserve an original mermaid . Why can’t she be Ariel’s friend . Why do we have to change existing characters ?
FiveShiftOne
Ah yes, the inspiring story of The Little Mermaid...'s friend. Stop phrasing this in terms of "giving" black people something. They cast a >
FiveShiftOne
black actor to portray a character whose skin color is irrelevant to the character. And the world kept turning.
FiveShiftOne
"They can have their own mermaid. A separate mermaid! Separate but equal!" - The whole 'make an original character' argument
DinkyDamn
There is even a black and deaf "?" mermaid in ariel. But making it good and not blaming racism when it tanks is hard.
DinkyDamn
Also now that i mentioned it that would have been a good/decent movie if it was made right.
DinkyDamn
Seems like i was wrong. She was Latina.
Bardcrest
I do not plan to watch it therefore do not care.
babamulon
Im just waiting for a black Tarzan remake.
MrStealUrChange
Even if I planned on watching it why would I care?1
Bardcrest
Also valid.
Zeddicuszull
I base my viewing habits somewhat on how mad conservatives get at a show or movie. They're like reverse oracles and my viewing signals to
Lionskull
the only conservatives that would actually get mad relating to you watching or not are the shareholders that don't want rich people taxes
Zeddicuszull
Producers to keep making stuff that pisses off snowflake cons. Win win.
DemSumBigAssRidges
I want what every self-respecting person who watches Little Mermaid wants... Pervy Easter eggs.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
Unfathomably based.
fnoigy
Fathoms... Under the sea
inkasep1
gonna be honest. I've RARELY cared a great deal about movies. So I've never looked at trailers. I had no idea this came out til imgur memes!
apostlepk
I still have not seen anyone actually complain about this. Must just be some fringe bullshit.
Ahridan
Try opening twitter,it's rampant
apostlepk
Fair enough
Lionskull
and reddit probably. But i don't need to open either of those up to know that they are cesspools of scum.
Applewhite5
The correct response to all Disney live action trash
msd3k
Exactly. In fact, the assmad screaming of incels and racists over the movie is more entertainment than I'd ever get from the film itself.
TVKill3r
Oh its live action? Yeah my interest just dropped into a different dimension.
fnoigy
YAAAAS
lordofthegoats
I may have cared if they didn't keep her a redhead but they did so I don't which is funny as I'll never see it.... I like redheads ....
docLaughable
All of you are my people
BabyWitchErika
while i agree, i was surprised by the alladin one. wasn't as good, but they at least didn't straight up completl butcher it.
Kmpapples
Or completely copy it word for word. Take some creative license at least.
JustDontCare
The only thing I truly didn't like about the Alladin remake was that weird unique song that came out of freaking NOWHERE.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
Jasmine's song? Not only was it weird but it hilariously made no difference to the plot despite it being her big "girl power" moment.
JustDontCare
Yeah that song. It totally made no difference and broke the flow of the film.
Cranbananarama
Same, but I still wonder if dreads would work underwater.
Zeddicuszull
Only dreads would work in sea water.
Cranbananarama
Explain? I don't know all the physics behind dreads, especially in relation to water.
Zeddicuszull
Sea water causes hair to go brittle so the only way to have long hair is to clump it together. Such as in dreads.
jackal12345
1) Studios keep pulling this "People hate our film cause they're racist or misogynist" crap to deflect any critique of a crap film.
wadatahmydamie
In this case, it’s because they’re racist.
ztygs
Yes. Every single person who doesn't LOVE this movie? Racist. Same with Ghostbuster remake, right? All just HATE women. You fell for it...
wadatahmydamie
But yeah, 100% of people who bitch about movies with a lone manufactured controversy are bigots.
mikeatike
There are people going on and on about race. But like other race-baiting, it's a small group that got amplified by social media.
mikeatike
I'd believe it was just trolls, but a good chunk of america is really fucking racist.
LiterallyJustTheWorstComments
I don't give a shit about the movie. Still super sus to get all mad about a black girl playing a fish. I mean why else be angry?
ztygs
Why make it the norm that watching/like not not watching/disliking a movie into a political issue? This isn't the first movie doing it.
FiveShiftOne
We're not saying that, but your insistence that we are is telling about your own insecurities. We can tell the difference.
ztygs
You're reading a lot into me and you're entirely wrong. But go on, tell me how you know me more than I know myself. It's telling.
wadatahmydamie
Ghostbusters is a great example because you people bitched and screeched about it being inferior before it ever came out.
jackal12345
2) Ghostbuster 2016 got that ball rolling and I don't understand how so many people are still falling for it.
jackal12345
3) I swear a week after this comes out and the numbers are bad they'll again blame the audience for being racist like CW's Batwoman.
secretdpp
People would need more than a 3 second attention span to care
NachoPete
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
DerpMeister
Bots and idiots on both sides that don't realize they are being played like a fiddle by the PR agencies.
jackal12345
1) It's an unsustainable system. Real critics can't come out and call a bad movie a bad movie for fear of being called racist which erodes
wadatahmydamie
This is your second example of a film that was review bombed to hell and back before it ever came out.
MantisTobagganMD
Have....have you watched it? I have. It's bad. Like, really bad.
wadatahmydamie
I’ve seen it. It was better than 2, but not as good as 1. But that’s not even the point I’m making. You people trashed it before it came out
wadatahmydamie
So yeah, it’s sus as hell when y’all pretend it’s not because of bigotry, but you have hard opinions before you even see the thing.
MajMalfunction2
"Ariel should be white, damnit!"....Really? What color are mermaids in real life?
BrigidtheMechLady
I don't know. I keep getting distracted by the venom sacs
Leonon
Sorta blueish-grey.
turbodog
You know, the same color as jesus. That ought to solve *any* arguments.
Nixzilla
I assumed the problem was them changing Ariel to black instead of making a new mermaid princess.
ABillionDucks
You assumed wrong.
skylardarkfox
The latter would have been such a better option. It's a much less artificial way of promoting diversity, makes for a canonical POC lead, and
skylardarkfox
would be new content rather than just recycling an old story.
Tezunegari
And making it a live-action remake when they have a really bad history of those, like Lion King and Pinocchio.
EvilMadMonk
best scene
EvilMadMonk
There was a black mermaid in one of the spin offs
MarioBoon
Would’ve been great if they used her and make a “The Wiz” type movie set in the Caribbean with Rihanna as the main voice
EvilMadMonk
Yeah but that would mean they actually have to try for once and not copy-paste most of the story...
MrIndubitably101
Seeing as how she is a daughter of a Greek god. If you want to go that route, this is the best answer.
valdemarjoergensen
It's a mess in the first Disney movie. She's a Danish character, with a Greek father who live in the Caribien sea, but still next to Europe?
MrIndubitably101
Honestly, as long as it turns out good...really not worried lol. It is force casting to try and prove a point that I fear. I just want a...
MrIndubitably101
...good interpretation. I mean...what Tiana was turned white? Would we get the same reaction? I just want a good movie, not force fed...
MrIndubitably101
...someone's ideology.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
BobbyVegana
I'm gonna be mad if Ariel doesn't get eight Legs
IordNeko
Sure sure...
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Are you under the impression The Little Mermaid was a real person?
IordNeko
No. Just that someone came up with an original character once instead of twisting someone else's.
Ahridan
I've argued this already, they still find a way to make it about race
OnePieceRoboFranky
Id care more about how the actress potrays the role shes in over what color she is.
ViceCitySoundtrack
From that clip she has major pipes ?
Exerosp
It might just be the scene in the pic but i'm not sure if her pipes would make me get over the literal fish eyes haha
ShinobiWan1
I just wish the lighting was better. I didn't get the feeling that she was underwater in this shot
CatsIsTheAnswer
Give it time. Between trailer and release a lot of postproduction happens
TheGhostofElizabethShue
And if other VFX of this nature is anything to go by, it'll end up looking grey as fuck.
AsAnItalianItsDifficultTalkingOnTheWebCauseIcantUseMyHands
Ok so a white person is the best who auditioned to play a Tibetan monk. Do You give him the role, or chose someone of that ethnicity??
MarioBoon
Like Tilda swinton in that marvel movie?
L4dead2
Give him the role and just put make up on him
AsAnItalianItsDifficultTalkingOnTheWebCauseIcantUseMyHands
That sucks dude.
SexyToasterArt
Wait till the fine out Price Eric is white and there's going to be an interracial kissing scene.
loveisallwereallyhave
Too bad Prince Eric isn't Princess Erica, the Caucasian Lesbian.
GCRust
MADFOX
SexyToasterArt
acinonyxjubatus
Bold of you to assume that Prince Eric will play a role in this remake.
L4dead2
Could be princess Erica
SexyToasterArt
But, he is, they cast a white dude for the role.
acinonyxjubatus
He's going to be in it, but not really that important according to the makers, as they don't want Ariel to be motivated by finding love.
matshelge
And he looks just like him. That's some weird fan casting.
BobsBurgerslurker
Their heads would collectively explode.
InfocalypseRising
They wouldn’t, though. They’d just be like “NUH-UH” and keep repeating the same bullshit
Fhant
Their record needs fixin.
Nubsva
I'm kinda curious about the first argument presented here, considering this is a character that is almost 200 years old and was initially 1
Nubsva
described as "her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea" and has been represented as such 2
Nubsva
ever since. Then to change that description now, isn't it Disney that is bringing race into it by altering the character after 190 years? 3
softbutslaps
Are you serious? In the 200 year old version she dies at the end by becoming sea foam. Stories change, human civilization changes, we are
softbutslaps
allowed to alter stories to reflect modern times.
valdemarjoergensen
Rose-leaf i incorrect, it's a mistranslation from Danish of "skær som et rosenblad" which actually translates as "a rose petal shine/tint".
valdemarjoergensen
So her skin is white (mentioned elsewhere in the novel), but with a bit of pink like she is blushing, in the original story
valdemarjoergensen
I don't mind them changing her skin color, but it is hilarious that other people interpret that mistranslation as meaning her skin was green
AuntieCoddswaddle
That is one version. Fairy tales are old as fuck oral traditions. What's written is one version. Hans Christian tales aren't religious texts
Nubsva
Never said they were religious texts, just trying to point out the ridiculousness of the argument that people opposed to this are the ones
Nubsva
"bringing race into it".