StanislastheManislas
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So, a long post but I've seen a lot of questions on Reddit asking how the UK system works, why is the recent result so important. Well fear not? I shall try to explain as best I can.
So the building above is the Houses of Parliament made up of two chambers, The House of Commons (fully elected) and the House of Lords (non-elected). For the purposes of this I'll largely be focusing on the House of Commons.
So the current Electoral system is called First Past the Post and is used to elect the 650 representatives to Parliament that sit in the House of Commons. Each representative will cover a specific area generally based on population (for example London has 73 constituencies, more than the entirety of Scotland, who have 59)
The system is simple, you go into your voting booth, are presented with a list of candidates (which may vary as not every party puts up a candidate in every constituency) and select their preference. Whoever gets the most votes wins. The strengths of this are simple, it usually leads to strong and stable governments and is simple to understand. However a big disadvantage is that due to the number of political parties, it is entirely possible for someone to win with less than half the vote. Indeed it is rare that an MP picks up over half and is usually down to a seat being considered ultra safe or the MP's personal popularity.
The current ruling party (lead by Theresa May) is the Conservative Party (often known as Tories). They are considered Centre to Right Wing in the UK, but for our cheeseburger guzzling friends, this lot would be seen as Democrats to moderate Republicans. We only really have one party that verges on Tea Party insanity. They are one of the two big parties of Britain and their support typically is in rural areas and the south of England. Currently hold 318 seats.
Labour are the other big party. They have had a crazy few years as they have gone from the Tory-lite they were under Tony Blair to the very left-wing incarnation under curent leader Jeremy Corbyn. By current redneck standards, this lot would be seen as on the same spectrum as Bernie Sanders. Their traditional strongholds are cities and urban areas, and the old industrial heartlands of the North. Recently won 262 seats.
In the past considered the third party of Britain, the Lib Dems typically sit on the centre but veer left or right depending on leadership. Under current leader Tim Farron they are very much on the left. A reasonable force previously, they have spent the last two elections recovering from a disastrous coalition government with the Tories, which saw them abandon their one flagship policy, being to abolish Tuition Fees for Universities, instead presiding over a coalition government that tripled them. Their old stronghold was the West Country, but now they are largely concentrated in student cities, as students remain their main source of votes. Hold 12 seats
The Scottish Nationalist Party (SNP) currently are the ruling party of Scotland. Their flagship policy is independence from the UK which was rejected in a referendum three years ago. It's hard to define them, as they are a loose coalition of left and right wing MP's who all believe in an independent Scotland, so much so that they need party guidelines to prevent MP's from disagreeing with the current leader Nicola Sturgeon. Held 59 seats at the last election but lost ground and now hold 35.
The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) are the largest party in Northern Ireland. Typically seen as right of the Conservatives, with very questionale views on abortion and same-sex marriage (which is not legal in Northern Ireland). Currently hold 10 seats
Sinn Fein are the second party of Northern Ireland and seen as the political extension of the IRA. They campaign for a united Ireland and because of their refusal to swear loyalty to the Queen or recognise Northern Ireland as a separate country, they typically do not take up their seats in parliament. They keep making ground and as of the recent election won 7 seats.
Plaid Cymru (pronounced Plide-Come-re) are the party of Wales. Typically seen as left-wing but also supportive of independence for Wales. Won 4 seats in Wales
The Green Party are a left-wing party with (obvious) focus on the Enviroment. Hold a single seat in Brighton Pavilion, but poll about half a million votes countrywide (as much as the SNP)
The United Kingdom Indpendence Party (UKIP). Their main focus was the 'independence' of Britain from the EU, which was secured last year in a tightly fought referendum. Now they are seen as the far-right of Britain, which their views on Immigration and a 'Britain first' mentality. Recently led by Paul Nuttall but people will know their previous charismatic leader Nigel Farage more. Won no seats at the election and increasingly seen as a spent force due to their sole aim being achieved.
So in order to gain a working majority, a party would need 326 seats (half the total plus one). You can take away the Sinn Fein seats as they abstain from parliament, so an effective majority is 650-7 = 643 / 2 = 321.5, so 322.
Of course, if you look, the main problem is that no party has that number, which results in a Hung Parliament. Typically the Conservatives would align with the DUP, but risk losing support from the 12 Scottish Conservatives, as the leader of the Scottish Tories, Ruth Davidson is gay (again, just search the DUP's views on homosexuality to see why this might be a problem). The first act of a government is to pass the Queen's Speech, which typically sets out the broad aims of the government. The Tories face problems on a number of sides;
- The animosity between the leaders of the DUP, Arlene Foster and the Scottish Tories, Ruth Davidson
- A broad left-wing opposition completely united against the Tories (made up of Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and the smaller parties)
- A need to balance Brexit, where PM Theresa May has divisions even within her own party between the Eurosceptics, who want a Hard Brexit and the moderates, who want a more Norway style deal.
Her final problem will be the likes of the right wing media, such as The Sun
The Daily Mail
And the Daily Express, who will vehemently oppose any talk from May of anything other than a 'Hard Brexit' which is a complete withdrawal from the EU and all regulations (which will run into problems with the DUP, who want an open border with the Republic of Ireland.
We'll probably be back at the polls in a couple of months but hopefully this has helped clarify things.
EDIT: HOLY SHIT. FIRST EVER FRONT PAGE.
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Part 2: http://imgur.com/a/77g9A
ComputerAntiPope
Yeah, America is not the only country in political turmoil. Thanks for keeping us company, UK. First one to a revolution wins! Wait no...
zoeaW1ndXI
"usually leads to strong and stable governments" I saw that, OP
Imnotyourda
SNP had 56* not 59 before (59 of total Scottish seats, lib dems, labour and Tories had one each).*until two became independent after scandal
Sp000ki3
You should have used another source than the daily mail for details on the SNP.
chellelikebelle24
Thank you! This was much more simplified and unbiased than my google search yesterday trying to understand U.K. Politics.
Melizerd
Well written and informative. Thank you!
CoreDeep
You imply the house of commons will dissolve. Do you think that the parties will not be able to compromise well enough to function?
lawideas
I learned a lot, but most entries were told from the point of view that liberalism is "correct" and deviance from it is bad.
lambaroo
yep, well done. i could niggle about a couple of minor points but it's all pretty close
Bogart99
2 Things we can take from the election 1. Scotland doesn't another referendum. 2 Everyone is fed up with our politicians.
OurLordAndSCUD
Fuck the DUP so much. I hate the cunts so much
RayLynch
"Tea Party Insanity". Yes, it's insane to want smaller government, fiscal responsibility, accountability, a balanced budget, etc., etc.
Gawky
only if its what a majority of the population wants, then its rational, if people are against it, its obviously insane. thats politics
tweetlebug
thanks for this! I've been looking for a simple & concise explanation like this for years.
diddybag
Thanks so much for this!
whyteraven74
And the Prime Minister is just the leader of the majority party or coalition. Oh and there's no law that establishes the position.
mdzmdz
Well (and this may be unwritten) it's the person the Queen believes has the greatest prospect of forming a government
mdzmdz
So in the 2010 election she could have chosen Brown had she thought the Lib Dems were going to work with him and not the Torys
Revyloution
I live in the US with a Canadian wife and plenty of friends in the UK. Well done with this, it's spot on.
Lornd
Just to clarify, very few DUP voters actually like the party and vote for them purely on the basis that they are not SF.
gasolinerainbow
Vote Alliance? or UUP? or SDLP?
Lornd
The DUP then take this as some sort of mandate to pursue their bigoted views in respect to gays. Our politics are depressing as fuck...
AnIrishGuy
They'd rather be robbed by a Protestant than led by a Catholic
Lornd
yes and no, I think its more to do with there being no viable alternative unionist party but that certainly plays a role for some.
Longinus212
I don't get how the media that supports May is a problem for her? Sounds like the same shit they did for Tony Abbot in Aus.
mdzmdz
They could have told her her (now resigned) advisors were idiots before she called the election.
Longinus212
They could have, but they wouldn't. I see the Murdoch press as chaotic evil. They don't care as long as they get money.
marshall91t
Our voting system is flawed beyond belief, DUP get 300,000 total votes and 10 seats and green get 500,000 and one seat...
TheRealJelly
May can fuck off, she didn't even reveal her full policies but attacked corbyn for his, fucking Bitch!
TheRealJelly
She also avoided TV debates
TheRealJelly
Plus she straight up lies, she only called an election because she wanted more power (seats) to do watever she wants but it's turned on her!
mdzmdz
She did say that's what she wanted though (albeit with no mention that the poll numbers were what made her go for it)
mdzmdz
She did at least say from the outset that she wasn't going to attend.
mdzmdz
I'm not really in favour of the debates as they're not actually debates.
mdzmdz
They're just trying to say something witty / avoid saying something stupid with an eye to the news broadcasts in the days following.
IIPhoenixII
Also aligning with DUP means our gov. will not be seen as impartial in Ireland discussions this could spark off more trouble over there
AnHonestLiar
Don't worry lad the people who cause trouble never saw Britain as impartial
Earan
One has to hope and pray it's not capital T Trouble
cranialpleasure
Corbyn's a wet blanket when he's not a gibbering moron and May is essentially the devil. Fun times really.
cranialpleasure
This post was balanced and informative so I figured it needed some hyperbole to give it that Imgur flair, carry on.
Flubunigushir
good summary of the system and parties. I'd like to add that the alignment between Tories and DUP isn't a formal coalition but a...
Flubunigushir
supportive role where they can back them on policies, and are not bound together as leading the country. This makes the new government...
Flubunigushir
much weaker than it was previously as the tories lost seats and thus will have a harder time getting legislation through the commons...
Flubunigushir
as they will need all of the Tories and DUP to vote by party and not their conscious to get anything through the commons.
CokedUpPancake
Basically, for once Northern Ireland actually matters in Westminster. It's a shame we're gonna get fucked over tho
gasolinerainbow
Well...only matters when May is terrified of losing power. She doesn't care about NI. None of them do.
clarkieboy
what about the good friday agreement? won't sinn fein have to be offered the same as the dup under the power share GFA terms?
gasolinerainbow
Isnt there things though in the GFA that both parties have never got? when i lived in england no one knew anything about NI. They didnt even
gasolinerainbow
care....odd to make a whole post for a word lol
mdzmdz
You're going to get so much pork you'll be able to have Ulster Fry for every meal.
WallpaperProblems
Huh didn't know about that little fact about the DUP. Things will get interesting then.
TheAngryEngineer
The DUP are extreme right wing nutters. Half of them are creationists for crying out loud
Norfolkanchancehere
Now the issue will come to the forefront of the good Friday agreement.
AnHonestLiar
They're in a position now where they can very effectively block border polls so there's really no extra need for meddling
AnHonestLiar
Nah the GFA isn't gonna be endangered. They don't like power sharing, but not even May is stupid enough to open that can of worms
mdzmdz
A lot of https://order-order.com/2017/06/09/__trashed-14/ seems reasonable to me in a traditional conservative way.
mdzmdz
But yeah, socially/religiously they're very much out of step with the mainland UK.
CallingYouOnYourShit
No. 2. Fuck off DUP.
mdzmdz
I think it needs reform. There's no way that Strictly Come Dancing and its ilk justify being part of a compulsory subscription.
CallingYouOnYourShit
The compulsory subscription and no advertising is what enables it to be the most respected broadcasting and news organisation in the world.
mdzmdz
Why does Top Gear require a contribution from everyone in the UK who watches TV but The Grand Tour doesn't?
mdzmdz
DUP Coalition Aims from 2015 - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB9o6sKXkAE1xsS.jpg:large
revcleo
A reasonable manifesto doesn't stop them from still being pro-death penalty, anti-abortion, creationists who hate catholics.
mdzmdz
Well if it means Bonfire Night stops being over shadowed by Halloween they have my vote
revcleo
Though, Bonfire Night celebrations have been going more pro-Fawkes recently. Not sure their catholic hate likes that.
WallpaperProblems
Very interesting, but also don't get how they want to reach all those tax cuts and stuff and improve services but increase the Army Budget?
WallpaperProblems
I don't think that can be achieved honestly.
mdzmdz
It can be if they're thinking NI only for some of the bits
dashers
FPP means the most votes per area wins. You can have a losing party with more votes because they haven't won enough individual seats.
doomladen
On the other hand FPTP means you can very effectively remove a bad MP and party appointments are restrained a little
Anfalicious
Preferential voting probably would have delivered a Labour government.
revcleo
Bring on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote! Big up the Lib Dems :V!
Anfalicious
Yep, we have it in Australia. Means you can vote for who you want, put the one of the two you don't want last and not waste your vote.
revcleo
We've got preferential voting for london mayoral, but the referendum a while ago had the papers saying, "Oh no you just won't understand."
Anfalicious
We also have compulsory voting - if the dumbest Australian can handle it I'm sure the people who bother to vote in the UK can :P
Earan
See also: SNP vs UKIP results in 2015, although that's somewhat affected by number of seats each party ran in
dashers
For instance, this election saw Conservatives get about 43% and Labour 41%, but Conservatives got a lot more seats.
StanislastheManislas
If anyone has any other questions about UK politics, just ask!
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Adambean
yes because everyone here is on reddit too
LaterallyHortler
What does "forming a government" mean/entail? In America, a new president doesn't form a new government, he takes over the existing one.
WantDownvotes
So who will be the new prime minister
Twip4782
We have a Westminster style Parliament here, how do you not take up your seat? would you not forfeit over time.
mdzmdz
Not at the moment (which is what Sin Feinn do)
mdzmdz
Interestingly you can't resign from your post as MP so if you want to step down you're appointed to a token crown position
mdzmdz
Such as the Chilten Hundreds which provides a conflict of interest and forces your dismissal
namelessone
Didn't the Tories already strike a deal with DUP? You make it sound as if it's still under consideration.
Splaterson
It's not confirmed yet, labour are preparing in case Theresa May fails
StanislastheManislas
1/ - It's not guaranteed. The Tories are planning on a supply and confidence plan, so it'll be more flexible than a coalition.
ringadingdingbaby
Just came out that they are looking for a formal coalition. Chief whip is in Belfast for talks.
StanislastheManislas
2/ - On top of that Sinn Fein have already come out and said that any deal would breach the Good Friday agreement.
StanislastheManislas
3/ - As the UK government is meant to remain independent to my knowledge with NI affairs, which can't happen if a Unionist party is in power
dildobiscuit
This is the key point. DUP has awful policies. But ^ this part could be genuinely troublesome.
StanislastheManislas
4/ - Or at least, in a position of real influence.
strugglesnuggler
What would it take for the Queen to take over again?
JustGLADOSCarryOnPlease
A bloody miracle.
mdzmdz
Jeremy as PM
grebnets
If the House of Lords is not elected, how do they get in? What's the purpose of the House of Lords?
StanislastheManislas
See Part 2 :)
RadishIsAMeat
Full of old people who used to be politicians, they also have hereditary peers who are only there as they were born into the right family.
RadishIsAMeat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords
doomladen
don't forget the cross benchers and religious leaders
MRLOVERMAN
describe your perfect Sunday.
CoBr2
So prime minister can call for an election whenever they want?
StanislastheManislas
Not 'any time' nowadays but they are very flexible. I'm going to do a Part 2, so please stay tuned and I will cover your question :)
CoBr2
Thanks
amadeupname
No, a Fixed Term Parliament Act was introduced to prevent that happening unless MPs vote in favour of it
mdzmdz
I think that was a shame, the old system was a bit more tactical like deciding when to declare at cricket.
poodles10
I'm an SNP voter in Scotland, I'm impressed at how neutral this post was. And accurate. Well done
ringadingdingbaby
Do you mind me asking what constituency?
poodles10
Aberdeen South, unfortunately
ringadingdingbaby
Bad times. Callum was a really good guy.
poodles10
I'm sure he still is ;) dunno who the Tory voting cunts are round here though!
amadeupname
Hello fellow SNPer!
ringadingdingbaby
Yo! Edinburgh East here. Tommy Sheppard is our man.
Arminerino
Why dont you vote for John Snow ? Is it because he is a bastard ?
mdzmdz
Andrew Neil would make a better PM
chillFlamingo
It's because he knows nothing.
CatBugg
He is king of the north.
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mdzmdz
Snobbery on the part of people who don't realise the comments on the Guardian are just as retarded
revcleo
Here's some of the comments https://twitter.com/dmreporter
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revcleo
Daily Mail sandwiches truth between lies. Making something like a more believable Fox News for people who can read but not comprehend.
revcleo
It'd be hilarious if it didn't result in things like what happened to Jo Cox.
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sangatster
As an American, all I really needed to know about British politics I learned by watching Black Adder.
revcleo
Most of our royals can currently put on their own trousers at least.
sangatster
Evolution is an amazing drug
PoweredbyOSengine
Except for the murder (maybe) House of Cards is about right.
ChloeRed
You can't learn everything from BlackAdder. You need to watch Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister too... ;)
willjongill
YM and YPM were so masterful and I feel like the lessons of that show apply to (most) any larger bureaucracy.
ChloeRed
You also have to love how they really don't age.. the same issues keep coming around and around, keeping them revelent.
LurkerOfDarkness
It's a good documentary.
ContraryToPopularOpinionIKnowWhatIAmDoing
Don't forget The Thick of it
PreparefortheProlapse
Love me a bit of Malcolm Tucker
AnHonestLiar
Just one thing; the DUP don't care about brexit for the border they care about it for popularity.
AnHonestLiar
NI voted 55% Stay, and the free travel with the republic is covered in a non-EU document called "the Free Travel Agreement",
AnHonestLiar
We only care about Brexit because we export a lot of stuff to England, so we kinda need your economy not to tank
lambaroo
no one knows what to do with the border. can't have a documents free border from uk/eu, can't ask roi to do uk border job at roi/eu side 1/2
lambaroo
just to keep roi/uk common travel area (eu wouldn't allow it). can't have internal uk border ni/gb (unacceptable & ridiculous to most) 2/3
lambaroo
very few either side of border actually want hard border back, but hard to see other viable options. there's going to be goods tariffs too
AnHonestLiar
It's not really unacceptable to EU, considering we aren't and never have been part of the EU common travel area
lambaroo
i'm talking about free movement of people within eu regs, not schengen. also roi cannot physically control who may or may not cross roi-uk
AnHonestLiar
ROI and Britain never signed up the Schengen, and our FTA is completely separate to EU legislation. The border is a social issue, not legal.
soyeahusername
Op, I really enjoyed it, very fairly written. Just one question; why mention the IRA in relation SF but not the UVF in relation to the DUP?
mdzmdz
SF had a more "official" association with the IRA whereas with the DUP it's more a coincidental overlap of the same interests.
mdzmdz
The UDP/PUP on the other hand are/were directly linked.
semiawake
Because the DUP isn't linked the UVF the PUP are David Irvine's old party
gasolinerainbow
Or the UDA where the DUP still have ties to. It's what im finding hypocritical in the british press atm.
StanislastheManislas
Because in all honesty, I didn't know. For a layman like me (with no knowledge of NI) I'm aware of the Sinn Fein-IRA link but not DUP-UVF
semiawake
Don't worry mate u still right
soyeahusername
Fair enough! Give it some research, it's well worth a look.
OurLordAndSCUD
In fairness the uk doesn't educate very well to do with Northern Ireland
ParsleySage
Probably because the IRA is the famous one, at least over here... I suppose it makes sense the IRA must have been fighting someone,
ParsleySage
I sort of thought they were just fighting England. <_<
AnHonestLiar
Historically that is their aim, but the period most people know them from (troubles) it all got a bit less black and white
AnHonestLiar
Then the IRA retaliated so the BA upped their game too, then there was about 6 flavours of IRA to deal with
AnHonestLiar
The largest ones, the ones still linked to SF, only attacked military or political targets and avoided civilian casualties at all costs
AnHonestLiar
A smaller but oft-mistaken group, the INLA, were the ones who tortured and murdered just for religion
AnHonestLiar
The British Army were originally brought in to defend the catholics from the UVF and UDA, but then there was a bit of a mutiny of sorts