Gerrymandering like this relies on having majorities in every district - but that means that there are narrower margins than if they kept things the way they are and put large amounts of Democrats in certain districts. Which means that, if too many Democrats vote, of if enough moderates decide to vote Democrat, or if they piss off enough of their base, or anything else happens to erode their support... The ENTIRE SOUTH could end up voting Blue.
General Sherman told us to kill them all or we would just be back here again in a few generations. Turns out he was right and not hunting down and killing all the confederates down to the last drummer boy, and court clerk was a mistake.
We couldn't go full Israeli on them. The right thing to do would have been to actually punish most of the leaders, financially and socially (prison, prison + fines, etc) instead of pardoning them all as way to 'hope we get back together', and lifting up the people they'd oppressed with support and education and positions of leadership.
Maybe but a dead man is no longer a threat to anyone. Also it was the 1800's going full Israeli was pretty much standard procedure in military conflicts. In fact I can not think of another conflict like the civil war that ended with fewer reprisals for those that started it.
Here we are 160 years later - with virtually every demographic map from infant morality to poverty to life expectancy showing a clear delineation along the line that separated the confederacy from the Union. The amount of human suffering caused by not correcting the mistake of granting a surrender is so vast as to be incomprehensible by any single person.
Suppression, hopelessness, Harris was late to the race and didn't say particularly much beyond "I'll be Biden 2.0", more and more people are overworked and lack the time to vote (made worse by aformentioned suppression).
Anger will hopefully supplant hopelessness, and an actual candidate (hopefully inspired by the NYC mayoral race) to fan those flames could turn things around, which is why the GOP is doubling down on suppression (buying machines, gerrymandering).
The last two are literal non-factors when it comes to actual Nazi's, and while there definitely was suppression, it wouldn't have been enough to likely change the presidency, maybe in Congress to have prevented a majority.
Thanks for not being one of these hopeless crybabies. We've been through MUCH worse stuff in the past, as a country; we'll get through this. There might be blood, but we'll make it.
No, we havent been through worse in this country, and while I do share the sentiment that we will pull through, it won't be soon. This is going to be a long shitty ride.
Considering how Trump's second term and Project 2025 have been going so far, I honestly can't imagine any reason why the supreme court wouldn't do this. It pretty much guarantees that the Democratic party would have as much chance of winning national elections as the Libertarian party has now. They're not going to let that opportunity go by.
We say Trump will have a third term and right wingers say "no way, you're being ridiculous" but then it will happen and those same people will tell you it's not actually a big deal and actually a good thing
I keep trying to tell people this without sounding crazy.
But it's super clear, made moreso by the day. They have no intention of releasing power, and this wouldn't even make it a hassle to do so; let alone directly rigging anything.
I don't even know how it would sound crazy. The US military openly operating on US soil. Senate, House, and the Supreme Court overwhelmingly in support of Trump. Redistricting that makes fair elections impossible, free press kicked out of White House briefings, loyalty purges of the higher ranks of the military, creation of Trump's personal military (ICE)
lol Kinda makes me think that whacky med bed video has some degree of truth to it. /s But for real, how else are they managing to keep his rotting carcass alive?
we did. by acknowledging that the tolerance paradox is a social contract we can proceed with all its blessings while changing nothing. The tolerant left have conditions to their tolerance.
I'm fine with suffering; as long as it serves a purpose. Hell, to be horribly reductive, empathy is just the wisdom one gains from suffering. More importantly, choices have consequences. If you choose to be an intolerant human, you've already chose suffering. So suffer those consequences & never expect me to feel anything but relief.
To further clarify: I also do not want people to suffer. Have you ever had your heart broken? Have you ever broken a heart? I'd argue experiencing those two things are among the worst suffering a human can experience in their entire life. And among the most important. I would even argue its critical to ones development as a human, that one suffer in both these ways.
Look at the folks who agree with you. Now look atvyour own post. Mass murder? Really? The halls of history are littered with tyrants who believed their reason for mass murder was justified. History might not repeat but it sure does echo and buddy your song sounds familiar. The irony is thick and sick.
Look, I don't know how else to explain to you that selfish, abusive monsters cannot be tolerated in a civilized society. Our refusal to remove them endangers countless innocent people because we prioritize their right to hate over the right of others to feel safe.
That shit has gotta stop. They need to decide what is more important: Their hatred or being part of a civilized society. One or the other, because they cannot coexist.
But to your second point; it can be two things. We're so far past needing simple Justice to balance the scales, it's perverse. What is needed now is a Reckoning.
I don't care if removing them is putting them in the dirt or tossing them in a cell or putting them on a ship. I want them gone so we can make something better.
Nah. Extermination of people because of arbitrary, inherent qualities (Things beyond an individual's control) is different from extermination of those who choose to abandon the social contract and support the former action.
If I could work my will the last monster to be destroyed was me. I would go happily knowing after I had Thanos snapped every conservative into the shadow realm the world was a safer place.
That's not an uncontested version, sure. Hey look, again, whatever you need to justify, there's nothing i can say. You can't wake someone pretending to sleep.
I haven't heard what Cap thinks of Frank (though I suspect it's not particularly positive), but I do know that Frank himself tells people that he (Frank) is not a role model, and if they want one, they should look at Cap.
Well then you would have killed the majority of Germany, Austria and sizable chunks of Hungary and Ukraine. No way you'd be able to shoot them all, but good thing there were all those ovens left over right? Right? Yeah the difference between you and Nazis is who you want to "exterminate"
billdozer86
There's no maybe.
Bizarkly
Guess it's the *North's* time to withdraw from the Union -- and **keep** the civil rights.
Khanamana324
There’s no maybe about it. We absolutely did not punish the confederate traitors anywhere near harshly enough.
ThanosDei
Shoulda kept burning.
ChelVanin
Red is for fire
ArchmageMelek
FTUG
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SwiftyGuy
What’s this “maybe” shit?? We absolutely didn’t punish them enough. They should have been utterly wiped off the face of the earth.
woozle
mephiston
and nature will provide an unlimited source of water to put it out by completely submerging florida. Cmon, Earth.. extend the gulf of mexico
GreenScorpio
That’s one of their objectives, and we do know some of the Supreme Justices have been bribed.
catherinecc
And at least 4 on the Supreme Court - perhaps 5 - are Opus Dei catholics.
Comet260
They hate black people. No debate. They HATE black people.
MrRandom314159
It's not that the Deocrats will lose people... they'll just lose all representative power.
SpamYarBlockers
Yes, Dems would have to win by +5 to get 50/50 house representation
Pelican3
America needs a hero
zombiejedediah
America is rapidly becoming a joke at this stage.
A dangerous armed joke, but still.
ZacQuicksilver
This works... until it doesn't.
Gerrymandering like this relies on having majorities in every district - but that means that there are narrower margins than if they kept things the way they are and put large amounts of Democrats in certain districts. Which means that, if too many Democrats vote, of if enough moderates decide to vote Democrat, or if they piss off enough of their base, or anything else happens to erode their support... The ENTIRE SOUTH could end up voting Blue.
ZacQuicksilver
Of course, they will do a lot of harm before that happens. But when it does.... It will be 1865 all over again. And maybe this time, we do it *right*.
vwzzjxv6f9101
Biden fucked up should have added 3 seats to the nacho bell grande court.
hwatL4bloopy
They already did this back when Obama was president and now it's worth
DukePhelan
General Sherman told us to kill them all or we would just be back here again in a few generations. Turns out he was right and not hunting down and killing all the confederates down to the last drummer boy, and court clerk was a mistake.
PlausibleLies
We couldn't go full Israeli on them. The right thing to do would have been to actually punish most of the leaders, financially and socially (prison, prison + fines, etc) instead of pardoning them all as way to 'hope we get back together', and lifting up the people they'd oppressed with support and education and positions of leadership.
DukePhelan
Maybe but a dead man is no longer a threat to anyone. Also it was the 1800's going full Israeli was pretty much standard procedure in military conflicts. In fact I can not think of another conflict like the civil war that ended with fewer reprisals for those that started it.
Madalchemist2018
Yeah but we get to have a sequel. Only the best wars get to add a number to the back.
Renza0
we didnt punish the confederates for shit after the war, some dumbass extended a hand if friendship instead of a noose and here we are
catherinecc
Here we are 160 years later - with virtually every demographic map from infant morality to poverty to life expectancy showing a clear delineation along the line that separated the confederacy from the Union.
The amount of human suffering caused by not correcting the mistake of granting a surrender is so vast as to be incomprehensible by any single person.
khora
If you spread that blue across more districts they become more competitive and might incentivize more voters to come out.
IncognitoEnthusiast
if literal nazis wouldnt get them to turn out, nothing will.
khora
Voter turnout went down last election, so obviously you are wrong. Why is the real question.
IncognitoEnthusiast
Voter turnout going down literally proves my point, I dont know what you are on about.
SkunkMom
Suppression, hopelessness, Harris was late to the race and didn't say particularly much beyond "I'll be Biden 2.0", more and more people are overworked and lack the time to vote (made worse by aformentioned suppression).
Anger will hopefully supplant hopelessness, and an actual candidate (hopefully inspired by the NYC mayoral race) to fan those flames could turn things around, which is why the GOP is doubling down on suppression (buying machines, gerrymandering).
IncognitoEnthusiast
The last two are literal non-factors when it comes to actual Nazi's, and while there definitely was suppression, it wouldn't have been enough to likely change the presidency, maybe in Congress to have prevented a majority.
JetrelPixelArt
Thanks for not being one of these hopeless crybabies. We've been through MUCH worse stuff in the past, as a country; we'll get through this. There might be blood, but we'll make it.
IncognitoEnthusiast
No, we havent been through worse in this country, and while I do share the sentiment that we will pull through, it won't be soon. This is going to be a long shitty ride.
chipjack
Considering how Trump's second term and Project 2025 have been going so far, I honestly can't imagine any reason why the supreme court wouldn't do this. It pretty much guarantees that the Democratic party would have as much chance of winning national elections as the Libertarian party has now. They're not going to let that opportunity go by.
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
anybody who thinks we will have an election in 2028 is wrong. Trump WILL have a third term.
And I'm flabbergasted that people still don't understand that. Democracy in America is over
Heisanevilgenius
We say Trump will have a third term and right wingers say "no way, you're being ridiculous" but then it will happen and those same people will tell you it's not actually a big deal and actually a good thing
leechdemon
I keep trying to tell people this without sounding crazy.
But it's super clear, made moreso by the day. They have no intention of releasing power, and this wouldn't even make it a hassle to do so; let alone directly rigging anything.
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
I don't even know how it would sound crazy. The US military openly operating on US soil. Senate, House, and the Supreme Court overwhelmingly in support of Trump. Redistricting that makes fair elections impossible, free press kicked out of White House briefings, loyalty purges of the higher ranks of the military, creation of Trump's personal military (ICE)
It's not subtle
M4UsedRollout
Trump won’t have a third term, but only because his body is falling apart and he won’t live that long.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
From your fingertips to Satan's inbox.
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
Only the good die young. And I get that Trump isn't well but they'll keep his decomposing body in the throne for at least another term
LogicalLimes
lol Kinda makes me think that whacky med bed video has some degree of truth to it. /s But for real, how else are they managing to keep his rotting carcass alive?
UristImiknorris
We've been saying that about Mitch McConnell for how long now?
keelindsey
Have you not yet heard the good news?
UristImiknorris
Did someone finally destroy his phylactery?
mycatwontletmeclosemybedroomdoor
Good people will never have peace until we exterminate the hate filled bigots.
TheJuiceLoosener
Could have stopped after the fifth word. This is all of human history.
Dissipo
CrackheadGermanSheppie
Every last one of them this time.
catherinecc
The issue is we have wide swaths of the country where there is no collection of photos of maga lawn signs in front of houses.
That can start today though...
literallymike
Quite the paradox.
TrumpRapesAndEatsChildren0002
I thought we had solved that
CaptSchmidtGaming
we did. by acknowledging that the tolerance paradox is a social contract we can proceed with all its blessings while changing nothing. The tolerant left have conditions to their tolerance.
NaughtyGod1
Not even a little bit. Either your party to The Treaty Of Tolerance, or I get the joy of teaching you what scaphism is.
literallymike
NaughtyGod1
And so there is no misunderstanding;. We mean kill them in as brutal a fashion as ones conscience will allow
DorkJedi
sorry, I have no conscience when it comes to bigots.
NaughtyGod1
I don't think you have anything to feel sorry about. Explore your brutality, free from any guilt.
DorkJedi
LuminoZero
I disagree. I don't want suffering because I'm not a psychopath, I just want them gone so they can no longer harm innocent people.
It's not about rage, it's cold practicality. A civilized society cannot exist with them as a part of it, so they must be removed.
NaughtyGod1
I'm fine with suffering; as long as it serves a purpose. Hell, to be horribly reductive, empathy is just the wisdom one gains from suffering.
More importantly, choices have consequences. If you choose to be an intolerant human, you've already chose suffering.
So suffer those consequences & never expect me to feel anything but relief.
NaughtyGod1
To further clarify: I also do not want people to suffer.
Have you ever had your heart broken? Have you ever broken a heart?
I'd argue experiencing those two things are among the worst suffering a human can experience in their entire life. And among the most important.
I would even argue its critical to ones development as a human, that one suffer in both these ways.
crapybarra
Look at the folks who agree with you. Now look atvyour own post. Mass murder? Really? The halls of history are littered with tyrants who believed their reason for mass murder was justified. History might not repeat but it sure does echo and buddy your song sounds familiar. The irony is thick and sick.
LuminoZero
Look, I don't know how else to explain to you that selfish, abusive monsters cannot be tolerated in a civilized society. Our refusal to remove them endangers countless innocent people because we prioritize their right to hate over the right of others to feel safe.
That shit has gotta stop. They need to decide what is more important: Their hatred or being part of a civilized society. One or the other, because they cannot coexist.
crapybarra
"Mass murder is the only answer" sure run with it. History looks kindly on all those who felt the same.
NaughtyGod1
But to your second point; it can be two things. We're so far past needing simple Justice to balance the scales, it's perverse.
What is needed now is a Reckoning.
LuminoZero
I don't care if removing them is putting them in the dirt or tossing them in a cell or putting them on a ship. I want them gone so we can make something better.
Madalchemist2018
crapybarra
I mean "exterminate" is the language of the enemy. Be careful when you fight monsters that you do not become one.
FetteredJuvenescence
Nah. Extermination of people because of arbitrary, inherent qualities (Things beyond an individual's control) is different from extermination of those who choose to abandon the social contract and support the former action.
crapybarra
Hey whatever you need to justify mass murder lol I'm sure all the other guys thought their shit was justified too. But I'm sure your reason is legit.
DukePhelan
If I could work my will the last monster to be destroyed was me. I would go happily knowing after I had Thanos snapped every conservative into the shadow realm the world was a safer place.
TheSinhound
You know, I genuinely feel like the Operative from Serenity had a good outlook. Make the world you are not fit to live in. And then DON'T LIVE IN IT.
smorsdoeuvres
“Be careful when you fight monsters that you do not become one”
salligheri24
The doom slayer never falls.
Daliena06
"Against all the evil that Hell can conjure, all the wickedness that mankind can produce, we will send unto them.. Only you."
salligheri24
Never give up! Never surrender!
corndude101
Unfortunately, sometimes the only way to beat a monster is to become a monster.
crapybarra
"I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." - Adolf Hitler
You say [something] often enough, it becomes true
corndude101
The US dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan was pretty cruel and monstrous.
However, doing so ended WW2 and likely saved thousands of lives.
crapybarra
That's not an uncontested version, sure. Hey look, again, whatever you need to justify, there's nothing i can say. You can't wake someone pretending to sleep.
meganical
I guess you’ve never heard of Frank Castle
crapybarra
Ask Cap what he thinks about him some time
Daliena06
I haven't heard what Cap thinks of Frank (though I suspect it's not particularly positive), but I do know that Frank himself tells people that he (Frank) is not a role model, and if they want one, they should look at Cap.
crapybarra
Frank sees Cap as a legend and put up no fight (also maybe agrees with Cap) https://ar.inspiredpencil.com/pictures-2023/captain-america-vs-punisher-civil-war
Crowlands
I would 100% be Pro extermination of the Nazis during WW2.
And I am today.
crapybarra
Well then you would have killed the majority of Germany, Austria and sizable chunks of Hungary and Ukraine. No way you'd be able to shoot them all, but good thing there were all those ovens left over right? Right? Yeah the difference between you and Nazis is who you want to "exterminate"
You and I aren't on the same side.
initforthespecs
The ratios on these comments don't bode well for this community.
Crowlands
1: No, not all Germans were Nazis.
2: Stop protecting Nazis.
crapybarra
Whi said "all germans were nazis"? Or are you grasping at straws for your strawman? Nazis can get fucked and you can go right along with them.