There is NOTHING in writing with your name on it. There is just a vague email sent to everyone with a .gov type email address. If you get fucked, it is kind of your fault. They are looking to weed out people for free, so to speak.
Everyone who has ever had an inexperienced, over-privileged, entirely self-centered sociopath of a supervisor take over from someone competent recognizes what's going on, right down to the shady HR downsizing tricks. Except this time Trump is acting like a Private Equity fund looting the entire country instead of one business.
No i mean that the federal government is only budgeted up until march, these promises extend far past then. Even then the current spending budgets do not allow for the amount of spending proposed
The text and points discussed here were shared few days ago and the whole contract is one major red flag. No one who can read leagalize even remotely should think it's a paper worth signing. And there are even more legal traps in the contract not discussed here.
We're rapidly approaching the point where social media posts are all there is because the news media can't keep up (and their billionaire owners won't allow them to report certain things)
Approximately 20,000 federal employees who accepted Elon Musk's buyout offer are likely to receive nothing - no buyout payment, pension, or severance1. These employees will have extremely limited legal recourse after accepting the deal34. Key Issues
Legal Complications The offer is structured as a resignation rather than retirement, potentially affecting health insurance and other benefits1 The contracts contain provisions that limit employees' ability to seek recourse while preserving the government's right to rescind offers3 Union Response The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) has warned federal workers not to accept these offers7
I think many of those were set to retire within the next few months anyways so it probably won't affect them as much as someone who's 20 years in and needs 25 to receive their pension
It will when they try to retire in June, and are told, "What retirement and pension? You RESIGNED four months ago, at 19 years 8 months— before you met the baseline quota of 20 years. And you have no recourse. Don't let the door hit you when security escort you out."
From what I'm reading, it's mostly people who were retiring anyway. IIRC, .7% of the federal workforce accepted the buyout that was trying to net 10% of the workforce. It was almost all people who would be retiring in the next couple months anyway, and it cost a bunch of money and effort to try and convince people to take the buyout. So, the buyout offer isn't working. They are still firing people they don't like, though.
If that’s the case, even though I’m disgusted by their politics, it’s fucked up that they’re going to get fucked out of their pensions etc. Poor fools.
If Republican-voting federal workers went into this agreement believing anything on that piece of paper that's on them, and unfortunately, I have trouble feeling outraged at any negative outcomes. They put their blind faith in these personalities. It's their choice.
oldpotatoes
All immoral illegal scare tactics to bully people out of they positions
pinkypiesbutt
There is NOTHING in writing with your name on it. There is just a vague email sent to everyone with a .gov type email address. If you get fucked, it is kind of your fault. They are looking to weed out people for free, so to speak.
TheJuiceLoosener
Interesting. So you're saying *don't* quit my job in exchange for an I.O.U. from Donald Trump?
or0b0ur0s
Everyone who has ever had an inexperienced, over-privileged, entirely self-centered sociopath of a supervisor take over from someone competent recognizes what's going on, right down to the shady HR downsizing tricks. Except this time Trump is acting like a Private Equity fund looting the entire country instead of one business.
MusclesUncle
It's the only way to save money. - Military Contractor musk
bourbonandbaddecisions
Probably a clause in there keeping you from collecting unemployment also.
TheDouche
If you are a Federal employee who works for ICE: the buyout is a GREAT deal that you’ll likely never see again - retire today!
ruferto
didnt he pretty much do the same thing when he took over twitter?
AnonMasterRace
Down to the message title. Yes.
lightfoot2
Trump makes bad deals. The only way to accept is to get the money in advance, in CASH on the barrel.
Hexidimentional
Its not even about trump, none of these agencies have the money to pay these deals out
IAmDuckHammer
It's because Trump shipped those companies to Russia.
Hexidimentional
No i mean that the federal government is only budgeted up until march, these promises extend far past then. Even then the current spending budgets do not allow for the amount of spending proposed
Hexidimentional
In other words, we can look at their bank account balance and its obvious the chequess will bounce.
KoalaOnTheJuice
You might want to look up what happened to some of the twitter employees when he pulled the same "fork in the road" stunt.
BEARD3DBEANIEE
Yeah seriously, anyone with common sense knows he lied then and is lying now.
oldguyexlurker
That comparison was discussed on NPR today. Cue removal of federal funding for NPR and APM in 3, 2, 1...
deject3000
Federal funding is already a tiny, tiny part of NPR’s funding because of the GOP anyways. It’s all listener donations and corporate advertising.
theoreticalschism
It's not advertising. It is underwriting. There is no call to use the products or services produced by the underwriters.
GenshiV
I'd want more than tweet confirmation of this, but I am utterly unsurprised if this is true.
raymm
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/musk-buy-out-offer-no-recourse-pLiLHeLiQCGbuQSDLeb9Nw
LordHelmetTheThird
The text and points discussed here were shared few days ago and the whole contract is one major red flag. No one who can read leagalize even remotely should think it's a paper worth signing. And there are even more legal traps in the contract not discussed here.
FlyingInABlueDream
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/will-employees-who-resign-have-a-remedy
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
We're rapidly approaching the point where social media posts are all there is because the news media can't keep up (and their billionaire owners won't allow them to report certain things)
cyberninjaru
It’s purely you’re parenthetical that’s the truth, not that they can’t keep up.
raymm
Approximately 20,000 federal employees who accepted Elon Musk's buyout offer are likely to receive nothing - no buyout payment, pension, or severance1. These employees will have extremely limited legal recourse after accepting the deal34.
Key Issues
raymm
Legal Complications
The offer is structured as a resignation rather than retirement, potentially affecting health insurance and other benefits1
The contracts contain provisions that limit employees' ability to seek recourse while preserving the government's right to rescind offers3
Union Response
The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) has warned federal workers not to accept these offers7
tallyhoho
I think many of those were set to retire within the next few months anyways so it probably won't affect them as much as someone who's 20 years in and needs 25 to receive their pension
HashMaster9k
It will when they try to retire in June, and are told, "What retirement and pension? You RESIGNED four months ago, at 19 years 8 months— before you met the baseline quota of 20 years. And you have no recourse. Don't let the door hit you when security escort you out."
tallyhoho
I wouldn't put it past the rat bastards that's for sure
Centroid
Twenty fucking thousand of them ACCEPTED the buyout??? Jesus wept.
eeps
From what I'm reading, it's mostly people who were retiring anyway. IIRC, .7% of the federal workforce accepted the buyout that was trying to net 10% of the workforce. It was almost all people who would be retiring in the next couple months anyway, and it cost a bunch of money and effort to try and convince people to take the buyout. So, the buyout offer isn't working. They are still firing people they don't like, though.
firesnake
Likely 20,000 republicans who think it's a good faith offer and were <8 months from retirement.
Centroid
If that’s the case, even though I’m disgusted by their politics, it’s fucked up that they’re going to get fucked out of their pensions etc. Poor fools.
DonL9
If Republican-voting federal workers went into this agreement believing anything on that piece of paper that's on them, and unfortunately, I have trouble feeling outraged at any negative outcomes. They put their blind faith in these personalities. It's their choice.