DrFingerWeenie
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I'm in remission now. Had my third random today. Random my ass.
Nov 3, 2018 3:12 AM
DrFingerWeenie
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I'm in remission now. Had my third random today. Random my ass.
LMTMFA
America, Fuck Yeah, coming again to screw the average individual!
BishopBarghest
hate to break it to you OP but I believe your company is filled with assholes and are trying to fuck you out of benefits
ZeroZeta
They want to fire you for smoking pot. Eliminate your high insurance costs. Lawyer up!
fragtore
This is why we need stronger worker protection laws generally speaking. Many companies take the asshole route when able to
WhattaYaLookingFor
‘Murcia I guess.
Clockworkdancerobot
They want to catch you using weed to treat your nausea from the cancer treatments.
dankmemeduck
This isn't so they can fire you and not pay health benefits is it? That would be so low
bigdickrick206
Of course it is.
gerschmann
Living in the US just seems terrifying.
Roqinn
Navy used to 'randomly' test certain people in my company too.
Issima1984
Document everything
NotWrongJustNotRight
lerzz
US? Yeah, US. :(
jdbji180
They’re looking for canabinoids because they relieve nausea assoc. W/chemo and them they won’t have you on insurance. (If they provide ins.)
shack95
Yup if your looking at treatment costs of 30K and up
bendoverrover
Your illness will cause the company's premiums to go up, so by bottom line capitalist logic, you gotta go buddy
YonderPeachTree
be careful op. they will do whatever they can to get you off their healthplan to save money. let your manager know you know
Eburovici
Lawyer up
Maraak
Ah, yes. America, land of the fr- no wait, no not that. America, a rather shitty place sometimes.
ratboywpg
Start seeking a good lawyer and give them a small retainer so the same company cannot hire them to defend against you.
Snarknado4
what? can defendants just buy out the plaintiff’s lawyer?
FunkyMonkey7503
No, if they do, just submit a complaint about the lawyer to the state bar's ethics committee, and they'll be disbarred in a heartbeat.
toastfrancaise
Better yet, call all the good lawyers for consultations and create conflict of interest so the company can't hire any of them
Seeker61
A Sopranos fan, I see
toastfrancaise
I haven't seen that, but I'd like to!
Seeker61
Totally worth it, great series. (Tony pulls that lawyer trick on someone)
toastfrancaise
I'll have to check it out!
ThatGuyWhoSaysIWouldALot
I smell harassment lawsuit potential
HeroThatWasNeeded
@OP
leftbanana
Many states have no laws, and no protections, concerning employee drug testing. Employers can do what they want.
orcbilly
Why does it matter if you're not doing drugs? Just take the test and move on.
Spikelf
Because it’s a shady way to get out of paying insurance. More so for people who even with cover find it better than meds 100x the cost
kylefromterminator
get those med bills payed some
bigbrother
paid
Jayhatesspidersandshit
Thanks big bro
UnknownVD
Make me proud, Some!
MyOtherCarIsAMiniVan
Nailed it
warick
My friend's wife had breast cancer. He still worked hard when he was at work, but he took a decent amount of medical leave to take care of
warick
2 satisfactory reviews, which in our department was him and his boss. Shitty.
warick
her. He got a poor review (despite being the hardest worker we had) and our company just happened to fire everyone that got less than
AHistoryofDrunks
That's fucked up, sorry OP. Hope the best for you.
bootsgalore
Do you happen to live in a Medical Marijuana state?
DrFingerWeenie
Not yet.
RickDyball
You're in remission, fuck your job. Ask HR what grevence procedure is then use it on them. Follow their procedure.
LullabyJones
I disagree, @OP. Don’t go to HR without a lawyer first. HR’s job is to prefect the company and help the company screw you.
RickDyball
If you need a lawyer to see HR then you need a new job. HR protects employee rights as that could lead to litigation against company
LullabyJones
I think it’s demonstrable that OP needs a new job anyhow. They cannot trust this HR.
LullabyJones
*^protect, not prefect. Sorry
jekyllope
Sorry man thats rough. Fuck that company. Like actually thats horrible
mikey6gun
Wouldn't your piss be so radioactive it would render a test impossible?
Captaincuttlefish
This is how companies work, if they have any probable cause to test you they will for any reason and call it random.
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electricmind
Hm, any firm or American ones?
Sticklebrickk
Well then I'd randomly say no.
volcabsol
And then you'd be fired.
eggmuffin
This is how poorly regulated companies run by unscrupulous assholes in backwards societies work.
Reviire
Question, is there any reason to not test someone if there's probably cause? If they suspect something, is it not right to test for it?
W92Baj
You think someone on chemo is popping some recreational drugs for fun?
Reviire
Yeah, if they decide to do that. Just like any other human being. You think people always decide to do what's safest?
relsky
*Some. This is how some places work. Not all. There are quality companies to work for.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Even at quality companies, you're a resource. Your value to them is based on ROI, and if that starts to waver, you're in trouble.
cathyarctic
Quality companies like?
Buddasac
Small business, that actually gives a shit about their employees. If you find the right one, it's family.
Captaincuttlefish
Actually all companies reserve the right to "randomly" select you and if there's probable cause ie; odd behavior, they can test you
Reyleighsilvers
Laughs in EU
16745
Mine can't..
Captaincuttlefish
how so
StiggyMiki
Well in some countries it's illegal. Either you have probable cause and you tell that's the reason, or you don't. Simple as that.
MoxieCat17
Congrats on the remission. What are they trying to do?
BigCityBoyyy
Big companies are usually self funded insurance so they're looking for a way to fire him so they don't have to cover his cancer treatment.
usernamesaregayboy
May tie back in with the increased absences due to illness which may raise concerns
8008135calculator
They’re trying to fire him because he costs them lots on their medical coverage basically.
ThatIsHowIFoundIt
A sick employee is less profitable, and a drain on the corporate healthcare policy. They will search for any excuse to fire him/her.
MrJaunty
They're checking for weed. It's common (read, corporate) knowledge that cancer patients snort devil lettuce.
nfamouscj
Amateur. The real junkies inject at least 3 marijuanas at a time
MrJaunty
More than one marijuana is illegal.
morkwill
I'ma betting that they don't care what drugs they are using and are more interested in not paying for the treatment through their insurance.
MrJaunty
Oh definitely.
DrFingerWeenie
It's political, I've managed to piss off a few people.
MoxieCat17
How so?
DrFingerWeenie
I wouldn't lie under oath.
RosencrantzNGuildensternNeverLived
5 points Gryffindor
ialwaysexpectthespanishinqusition
AND YOU’RE THE ONE WITH CANCER?!? Man fuck this world!
MoxieCat17
Good for you
UnknownVD
Me neither, Oath is an incomparable Power Bottom.
FractalShadows
How does that play into the drug tests and cancer?
netharia
retaliation.
BettinYouLoveFreakMode
They’re testing for weed so they can fire him.
Elchlord
What Kind of job has random drug Tests? Never heard about it in germany
Snowman25
Because shit like that isn't allowed in germany. And why would it? If it doesn't impede your work, what does it matter?
ShadeEmberi
Murica loves drugs tests
zamuy12479
in america the system is rigged in the company's favor.
Thisisnotreallymyname
When are they renaming it to the UCA? (United Corporations of America) ?
mikev2
I’m a truck driver in Canada and we get random drug tests. I understand tho can’t have addicts driving 80,000 pound death machines.
mikev2
Of course I’ve only had about 3 in 5 years so it IS random. Although my first one at 3 months, before my probation ran out prob wasn’t. Lol
Hoop66
US employment law is very scary indeed. One might assume (until they, well, y'know) that they were a civillised country. Oh dear lord no.
noctism
It's management's discretion to do random testing in the US, but testing before you get a job is extremely common and people cheat a lot
Elchlord
noctism
They even sell fake urine at smoke shops here to help people pass.
Elchlord
noctism
Not even joking.
volcabsol
You can't even get fast food jobs in some places in my area if you fail a drug test, it's beyond the pale.
gerschmann
It doesn't happen in the developed world.
dark12
Basically any job in a medical field or with heavy machinery. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were many others as well.
anakhasilver
Retail, too.
Elchlord
I do understand it in heavy machinery, it makes sense in the medical field but other fields as well? Seems weird to me
dark12
I work in a pharmacy and I can expect to get tested if any drug inventory is off by a significant amount. My gf works in HR for a hospital -
dark12
and she just told me about a huge random test they had when they recently downsized.
zamuy12479
retail, office jobs, tech jobs, car sales, honestly any place that doesn't specifically say they don't drug test.
akahata
And is everyone OK with this?
dark12
No it's complete bs
np226
America is a governed for the corperations.
zamuy12479
there's 2 opinions that are common: "eh, it's the norm" OR "i don't like it but there's absolutely nothing i can do about it" 1/2
zamuy12479
and being from a civilized country, you must think unions would handle it. guess what's been demonized, neutered, and basically just killed?
downtime123
Definitely harassment, but why? Do your health issues somehow affect the company?
AlMann
They think cancer is contagious...
1stLtObvious
Or going to increase the cost of company healthcare.
GreaterDog
They're probably grasping for straws on an excuse to let him go
ALAsynthase
Also people with illness take lots of time off and you're not allowed to fire them for having cancer. So you need to find another reason.
bubdub
This right here is the most-likely reason.
MrJaunty
They're checking for weed. Cancer, chemo, get it?
MeekrabJones
As someone who works in a pharmacy, a lot of cancer patients get prescribed opioids as well. Probably hoping to catch them abusing pain meds
dark12
How could they test abuse though? A drug test detects a drug or it doesn't.
MeekrabJones
Example: coworker is told, "my pain level is better," another drug test is requested, then they can hope to catch him without a prescription
NapoleonDynOmite
Anything they could use to fire him. Pyschopaths make good businessmen. All they see is the bottom line
PeterOlintoowesmeacoffee
Also, it cost them more in insurance premiums. Why pay for cancerman when you can fire him instead!
dark12
I laughed at 'cancerman'.
tomatoboy
Bingo.
Arokkus
The insurance practices of USA confuse me. Why do you even call it insurance at this point?
vorodar
The marketing department say it sounds better than "scam".
netharia
Because people think it would be that much more horrible with a national system that paid for everyone. The insurance lobby has done well.
Sage042000
A large portion of us are fucking morons. The insurance companies have paid our politicians and some "news" networks to convince that
Sage042000
/2 portion, that if we take some of our "bomb brown people" tax money, and actually spend it on ourselves, we'll somehow end up eating rats.
BubblesTheFish
It's really not. It's just a mandatory expense that everybody has to pay. Almost like a tax. Thank god we don't have universal healthcare.
RageSamurai
Whats the difference between this and universal then. If its just like a tax making it universal would make everyone pay less right
spetcnaz
Oh yeah man. Thank God people have to go bankrupt just so their kid doesn't die. We are in such luck
purdhapley
The insurance policy will likely increase on the companies dime due to expansive treatment. The company is looking for a reason to fire @op
Busterchestnut
Yes true, I had seizures at work and they fired me when I got out of the hospital. Sucks
OneZebraInAHerdOfWildebeests
which is ridiculous cause that's why Insurance Co hedge against this based on bigger pools and set prices accordingly and still make tons of
OneZebraInAHerdOfWildebeests
profit
fowly
Yeah, USA, USA!
SaltyInternetPirate
Land of the Fee, home of the grave!
majinrat
im going to have to use that
slothyslothysloth
Thankful to live in a country where this is illegal
TheGirlInTheFireplace
Can I visit (permanently)?
boodloop
LETS GET WEIRD!! LETS GET WIERD!!
EyesofAvo
Did you let them know the situation? The stress the body takes from cancer treatment would make you look a little cracked out.
Heavenissize17socks
3 randoms in two months? Shop around for a motivated lawyer. You'll win enough on this alone to pay your medical bills.
LaronX
They suspect/assume he is doing weed against the pain. They are letting there presumption run wild.
TheOtterGirl
I was wondering if they wanted to catch weed in him because that’s what some people do for pain relief? But still. OP doesn’t deserve it.
ktisyy4u
They are intentionally trying to find any excuse to fire this person so as to lower their insurance costs. Evil!
itxtalone
Not be case he looks cracked out. They are looking for a reason to fire him to get him off the medical plan.
thebestjake
Small companies 3rd party insurance, a single case of cancer won't change the rates. Large companies are basically self insured 1
Seeker61
Oh. So OP's statements are false. Got it
thebestjake
Yeah not even remotely what I said or was insinuated by my comment. I'm not even suggesting the company isn't doing something shitty. Just 1
thebestjake
Talking about the motive of kicking him off health care. It might even be the reason but it doesn't make sense
thebestjake
And while cancer is expensive I would be surprised that this changed the economics of their health care plan
fleawuss
True and disgraceful. When will most Americans wake up to their slavish admiration of the corporation.
Brutsarge
There is no ‘slavish admiration of corporations’ it’s just our sucky medical system. We don’t like it
GunnersMateFirstClassPhillipAsshole
Yuuuuup
RogueMachinae
Does it raise their cost when you use the plan it something? I don't understand how it would affect them in a that way.
itxtalone
Yea probably. Or a sick person could just be a liability at work.
Snowman25
The concept of a medical plan paid for by your employer is so alien to me... You americans are really fucked up!
volcabsol
As a burger, we sure are! The american dream is walking the valley of the shadow of death on a tightrope of dollar bills. One slip, and-
hairyroos
Even if you have well paying job and have a boatload of savings, you could be one serious medical condition away from bankruptcy. Terrifying
pareidoliaperson
I guess in a world everyone is chasing a dream they ought to take yours the moment you slip up.
DigitalBang
Where do think your government gets the money to pay for its medical coverages
Seeker61
Are you saying they get it from the US?
NegativeIAmAMeatPopcicle
Taxes
DigitalBang
that includes corporate taxes.
DanniLuxgarbe
On the one hand, it's care and maintenance for the meat of your moneymaking machine. on another, group bargaining means lower cost. 1/?
DanniLuxgarbe
on a third hand, Company-paid Insurance was a benefit you could hold over others. "you get X in take-home. we pay for meds! good deal, huh?"
DanniLuxgarbe
err.. "Not only do you get X money, on top of that, WE pay for your health insurance! That's a better deal than CreepCo'd give ya!"
mormacil
As a socialist European, so do our employers for the first two years?
DigitalBang
Probably past that too, indirectly through corporate taxes.
DenverCoderIX
Spaniard on medical leave due to a work accident that fucked up my ankle, my company's mutuality is paying for my surgery, hospital bills /1
DenverCoderIX
and salary until I can get back to work. /2
thebestjake
That would be the same in the US. Work related accident is paid for by employer
DrFingerWeenie
Yeah, management knows. I've always been a model employee. Hell, I didn't even go part time like they suggested.
AlabamaNerd
Pretty sure if you went part time you’d lose your insurance and save them money. Don’t trust them.
shinagami091
Part time so they don’t have to give you health benefits probably. They are 100% trying to fuck you
absoliutenus
If you go part time you're not eligible for health benefits in the US
coveredincatfurr
Let me guess. USA?
Imhonestlypartying
Obviously it's the US. Our healthcare/ insurance system is so fucking backwards you're better off shooting yourself if youre sick
TheGirlInTheFireplace
Very true. If I ever get very badly sick I will honestly probably just kill myself. It'll be easier than the bills and politics.
gorillaz49
They’re hoping to fire you to get you off their medical
YouBeTrollin
At least you (seemingly) are not in an at will state.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Even in an at will state, they can be sued for wrongful termination for specific protected situations, like illness.
YouBeTrollin
Didn't know that. TIL
meskarune
^ this. I know for a fact this happens and know people it was done to.
D7ve
The US is so fucked. You guys need to fix that shit
vondruke
It's a double edge sword... telling them can protect you if they want avoid litigation... and not telling them gives them deniability.
6ft1DickC
They may also be looking for a medicinal marijuana excuse to throw you off the plan
6ft1DickC
If it violates company policy that is
idowhatiwanton
If it's legal, and prescribed, it may be illegal for them to have it as a company policy.
netharia
By state law maybe, but they can claim they're complying with federal regulations.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Yeah the part time suggestion wasn't out of concern for you. It was to not have to cover insurance premiums and sick leave. Same with tests.
Photeus
My wife was in a nurse's union that didn't go to bat when they were getting screwed. My dad's railroad union is way better. Give and take
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
That probably has to do with power. I don't know about nurses unions, but the RR union is one of the only ones left with any actual power.
RoyalewithCHeeSes
This is why we still need unions . We have been deluded into the mindset that they are “thugs” and only care about politics.
vondruke
Unions should never exist, yet they have to.
TCTom
Well, they do shield underperforming employees and donate predominantly to one political party, so there’s that.
GimcrackGewgaw
I mean, they donate to the party that isn't trying to destroy them, so there's that.
tr4cerbullet
This
EyesofAvo
Lawsuit it is then! Hope you get fat stacks of cash.
DrFingerWeenie
I'm calling a lawyer Monday.
iluvbunbuns
Good idea @OP. Good luck!
vorodar
Do what you want but...I'd suggest you call the lawyer by their actual name.
AltoPrincess
Dad?
ButtTrumpett
Gooooood
Gibenitural
Don't post any further, your lawyer will advice the same. Good luck.
WhoToldYouLifeWasFair
Better call Saul.
taco1910
It’s Saulgoodman
ThatGuyWhoSaysIWouldALot
oh,you!
Cruise1687
You know what *really* helps with chemo..........
Hyero
Puppies?
DOWNVOTEALLEMOJIS
Weed!
Partytor
Meth
GeekyWhiteBoy
They suggested part-time. They are looking for reasons to get rid of you
kedtheduck
Nd they probably figured he'd die
DickDastardly404
Yep, start looking for work elsewhere if you’re up to it because you don’t want to be dumped on your ass with no job and cancer.
iluvbunbuns
Maybe also suggested part time to be able to cut benefits.
LooseyGooseyBrett
I hate america for that reason
FrankUnderwood4Congress2016
This is exactly the reason. If hrs part time thry no longer have to extend benefits. @op becareful they're trying to screw you.
cringysocialinept
This. Part time workers are NOT ENTITLED to the same benefits.
AberXX
cancer is expensive
Buddasac
A fucking tooth ache is expensive
LurkerOfDarkness
And yet, so many americans don't want a public healthcare system. It's baffling.
waywardneutron
Is it that easy to fire people in the US? What about job security laws?
wastedpoptart
Depends on the state. Generally you find job security in unions
Xalaqia
Depends on the state. Some have the Orwellian-titled "Right to work" laws where the boss can dump you for no reason.
kgbofficer
Isn't right to work more about unions and "At-Will Employment" the firing for any reason?
misterCanuck
I never understood how that is the right to work. Seems mote like a bullshit name the gov’t gave a law as a veil to decrease employment laws