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https://apnews.com/article/ups-shooting-florida-67073c35de9ce537b825b3fd75991039
Mar 24, 2026 9:31 PM
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https://apnews.com/article/ups-shooting-florida-67073c35de9ce537b825b3fd75991039
darkoshen
This is what happens when jury members are as under-educated as the common MAGAt.
dealinwifscum
Ernest Kollra and Richard Santiesteban, Leslie Lee and Rodolfo Mirabal should be bound and gagged and locked into a shipping container for the family of Frank Ordonez to deal with in any way they wish.
jammer909
I fucking hate Florida.
itsthevoiceman
No justice? No peace.
"Stand your ground" those police.
Fuck you for censoring me, imgur.
BeachsideBarghest
Shithole country
doctorId
Cops will literally arrest you for resisting arrest when there was no original arrest to even resist. They literally just do what they want and come up with the justification later.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
This judge just threatened the life of every person in Florida. Yall should stand your ground against him.
REOJackwagon
Also, they shot at them, in a crowded area like 200 times
Toqom
Shame the judge, he's a KKK judge clearly
Poppypoppoppop
Corrupted judge much?
Khanamana324
Title in active voice: judge protects cops that that attacked and murdered a hostage.
Filanwizard
So is that judge saying that in a SYG situation a shooter does not have to give a fuck about their shooting environment? If this ruling is allowed to stand it opens some dark doors.
Some guy is doing armed robbery in a crowded McDonalds, A “concerned citizen” pulls their piece and mag dumps. Killing the suspect but also 4 others.
In theory their lawyer could use this ruling as case law should it survive appeals.
SomebodythatIusedtonope
Why I’m not surprised?
diezl97
What kind of shit police kill two hostages? They're stealing jewelry not plutonium! Being bad at your job is not an excuse for killing innocents.
shalafi71
Famous gun nut and expert witness Massad Ayoob speaks to this: https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/879895.Massad_Ayoob?page=3 "Never forget that, in this country, human life is seen by the courts as having a higher value than what those courts call “mere property,” even if you’re shooting the most incorrigible lifelong thief to keep him from stealing the Hope Diamond."
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
"stand your ground" = "cops can kill hostages" really is the dogshittiest take in the world.
shalafi71
LiberalGunNut here. I review much on US gun law cases. This is one of the most bizarre I've ever seen.
Osiricus
What the hell is wrong with the US? We have truly lost the plot.
shalafi71
I'm familiar with US gun laws and cases, and this one is a stretch I can't get my head around. This is not "stand your ground".
leechdemon
It's missing the "your" of the argument; you can't retreat AWAY from your home, so... Wtf? 🤦♂️
shalafi71
Defending yourself in your home is "castle doctrine", a thing that every US state recognizes in some form. SYG means one has no "duty to retreat" outside the home. "If you can reasonably have gotten away, you should have."
DaffydeDick
Stand your ground shoot everyone around and near the suspect robbers. As long as you shoot the suspects the hostages are part of the act, shoot 'em too. Florida where local cops follow ICE rules, execute who wish.
deadcardgamesarethebest
Man if I had five space marines, I could clean all this mess up easily and quickly. Wouldn't even break a sweat.
kershaw
One space marine, even without armor, would clean this entire world. Unfortunately they would also clean this entire world of anyone who doesn't praise the emperor.
REOJackwagon
Interesting the headline doesn't include, as it should, the words Innocent and Hostage
DYLANLEE79
Yeah, and it's weird because it's the AP, but even their standards seem to be falling.
Arbitrarynamehere
All western media does this
hyperchondriac
Fucking precipitously, I wholeheartedly agree.
Grimlinnan
Judge is looking to peddle corruption and crime all the way to his buddies in the SCOTUS.
Miller16of16
Precedent has been established for this principle among civilians even in NYS (bodega owner dhot a bystander wearing clothing virtually identical to a person who had just robbed him. Ran into the street in hot pursuit and plugged the wrong man) but it doesn't extend to LE. Or at least it hasn't...
shalafi71
This ruling is RADICAL overreach. I study this shit because I carry, it's real life consequences should I choose to fire. Fuck ME this is a foul decision.
Miller16of16
I agree 100%.
The wording in the NY ruling paraphrase "if your use of force is found to be justified, the products of that action are considered legal. The offender becomes responsible for unintended consequences." The ruling did not cover law enforcement, whose actions are held to a higher standard. In NY, UofB has an online searchable database including appellate rulings. I carried daily for over a decade, check your state's laws and rulings. Even class instructors are often wrong.
FlintNorth44
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Miramar_shootout
FlintNorth44
The cops murdered the UPS driver and a bystander in a vehicle and got away with it.
JRSYJAY
Good to know stand your ground laws apply!!! They create fear panic and duress in the general public!!
VelvetWarhol
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hotaru251
stand your ground is killing if you feel threatened...a victim wasnt a threat.
shalafi71
And the legal test for "threat" is neither what liberals nor conservatives think it is. I had the opportunity to smoke my MAGA neighbor, according to what people FEEL SYG means. I would be in a concrete and steel box had I done so, perhaps for life. He came stomping down the street, clearing intending to kick my ass. Could have "stood". I calmly went inside instead, and so did he. We both understood the stakes at play.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
But you are forgetting, cops feel threatened by everything.
Casually
Cops investigated cops and found cops not guilty.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Weird how this keeps happening. /s
Jarodamus
A Judge is also a cop?
InTangier
Ah yes, lets be literal and pretend we don't understand how cops, prosecutors and judges have an interest in seeing as many people behind bars as they can work. It's not like it's tied to their career or anything like that.
azgrak1
Judge Ernst Kollra ruled, not a jury of peers, no presentation of evidence. Just a perverted twist on stand your ground laws. I’m actually surprised a Florida state prosecutor is pursuing charges. But when they’re up for reelection I’m voting for them.
livingonagiantfireball
Can we have a headline that say 3 civilian took chase and killed the 3 officer?
ralph2sam
Sounds like the DOJ
mycatsings
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DildoMussolini
I wonder how many judges are intimidated by the notion of vengeful police versus judges who are just complicit scumbags.
EnderKing567
Maybe judges should be allowed their own guards? That are allowed to fuck up police officers.
DildoMussolini
Or we could have some sort of badass, incorruptible combination of the two...
7hatsBollocks
Those guys are corrupt af.
DildoMussolini
lol I never actually read the comics, I just loved Karl Urban in that role
DanielAsparagus
In my community cops drew yesterday on a manic 9 year old with a butter knife, then yelled at social services for “not doing anything.”
SatansHolyTaint
Pocatello Idaho 2 years ago 3 or 4 officers mag dumped on a spectrum kid behind a fence bc he had a knife. Sooo dangerous with that chain link and 20 feet separating them but they "feured fur muh liFe!"
mohavewolfpup
Had a teen killed years ago here by the police, he had a knife to his mom’s throat and she was pleading with them to not shoot him (mentally ill, wasn’t his first time) One guess what they did
7hatsBollocks
Killed the mom too?
mohavewolfpup
She lived which made that even worse. Losing your son literally in your arms?
DanielAsparagus
I feel like that’s a little diff, but agree 100% that everything is a nail when all you have is a bag of hammers.
mohavewolfpup
Yes and no. He was in the system known for that, but they just showed up trigger happy as always. She was even telling that to them as the incident was unfolding
gonzar09
"We were in fear for our lives by the unarmed hostage looking to us for help!"
crazyspelling
This is the stupidest shit imaginable, not just because stand your ground in FL is patently evil, but because it doesn't even need to apply. If a bystander/hostage is injured or killed in a faceoff with police, the felony murder rule applies. That rule says that if someone is killed during the commission of a felony, it's always the felon's fault, and they get charged with the murder. It predates SYG by decades, if not centuries.
keyblader1985
If a pilot panics and crashes the plane into the water, that person should not be a pilot.
CerisCinderwolf
Can the Florida citizens not use this logic then the moment they spot an officer?
If every officer poses a threat to citizens, every citizen should immediately cite and invoke the stand your ground law.
mafiacarstarter
The incident that was used to name Stockholm Syndrome involved hostages working with their captors, because they realized that the forces arrayed against their captors didn't give a shit about whether or not the hostages lived.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
"working with" is a stretch
mafiacarstarter
It is a bigger stretch to attach something like the psychological concept of the Stockholm Syndrome to the events for which it was named.
gonzar09
"It is the policy of [the police] to resolve all hostage situations with the utmost regard for the preservation of life!" -Samuel L. Jackson as Danny Roman, The Negotiator.
ZeroLyfe
Actual police: Sorry, we misspoke, that should have been "utmost disregard"
wejustdontknow
Cops are scared for their lives if they even see a Black person but everyday citizens must be totally calm when numerous cops are pointing guns and shouting conflicting orders at them.
WackyWavingFlailingArmTubeMan
Imagine if a Black did a 3 point turn to get away from one, clearly that would terms for lethal force on everyone in the vicinity
crazyspelling
I mean, with a three point turn, aren't you technically accelerating your vehicle at like 25% of the planet? They could have killed like 2 billion people!
Martraxz
Alright man future reference, saying "a Black" in reference to a black person is pretty racist
WackyWavingFlailingArmTubeMan
*a Black guy. Oops