Apr 17, 2017 6:51 PM
TheLastImgurian
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adrizen
This is the internet. Your logic means nothing here.
JustKiddingOrAmI
"The truth is out there, deny everything"
ispentwaytoolongthinkingaboutthis
Get rid of all religion and in 1k years there's no religion. Get rid of all science and in 1k years the same scientific results appear.
gilthan3
Promethianfire
BUT ITS JUST A THEORY. Yes. Like gravity. Care to jump off a building?
TotallySaneScientist
Akhams razor
moosemilk
*before picture loads* A GAME THEORY
RatoMolhado
"Well, theoretically you're not wrong, but my says, and agrees, that ."
ForeveraKritik
I'll take 'Dinosaur skeletons were put here by the Devil to tempt us' for $800.
NeutralPitStopCommenter
But my magic book tells me that this is right and this is wrong!!!
zeroarsenic
Unfortunately, this thinking process doesn't work here in imgur.
acunninglinguist
Then you get the arrogant asshat who argues that accepting scientific theory requires its own kind of faith, and that atheism is religion.
Uzernaime
How do we now this theory behind theories is correct? Or is this all just theoretical?
malexmatt
Philosophy of science.
Tashchick
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
We don't focus on simpler theories because they're more likely to be true, but because it's more resource-efficient to do so.
DontAskAboutMyDay
Sounds more like a cult than a theory
aedanman
It was a circle with the first bit of evidence.
Rodeodoc
Then someone puts their thoughts on a Facebook Mommy Blog group, and it becomes law.
thenortoriousbuddha
A Game Theory!
NocturnalGreed
Science is critical thinking, and once you get all the info you can, you put them together to form what seems most likely, not what is true.
There's a vital element of creativity in there, too.
Lately I've realized that creativity and inspiration isn't found, but realized. A product of one ceasing to second guess their thoughts.
JBib
I love this post every time it's posted, but an interesting counter, or corollary rather to the assumptions part is how hard it can be...1
to identify those assumptions. I cite the wonderful gifts that shows how a rotating wheel can be viewed as a series of oscillating...2
points along line segments.
LittleKnownOne
Or... or... this is Imgur/internet and facts mean nothing because we have opinions. Fact = downvotes ; incorrect loud opinion = Yay!
RetroBlast
Science means not being afraid to say "we don't know...yet."
OneCuntMan
what a dumb comment
Teevorkio
Science never says that we know they just say what they think is most likely correct
ishiishinji
Science means trying to prove yourself wrong, not right
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
But idiots will use the "theory" part to argue it must not be true. I know of a guy who is vehemently opposed to the idea of evolution.
RequisiteUnit
Sad that they don't explain this in schools. Everything they teach is "fact", instead of, "this is the best we've come up with.
valen00
All models are wrong, some are usefull
StormSaxon
I had a teacher say this... Who coined this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong
knotshittingyou
step three should say hypothesis
moxymox
The hypothesis would occur before the experiment in step 1. Theory explains a set of established observations.
still not s theory at that point
That's a thoroughly compelling argument. Thank you.
the last step would be a theory. it's a very strict term. Even when things seem to work it would be call an hypothesis. It had to be (1)
thoroughly tested, replicated (proven in math), be consistent with everything else we know. The boubdaries also have to be mapped.
The last step is a continuation of the third step, but with more hypotheses demonstrating additional evidence.
xyzzyb
Faith has no place in science because everything in science must be allowed to be wrong.
Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. -Tim Minchin
Coko4
Faith means strong belief in religious doctrines based on spiritual conviction rather than proof so obvs goes against the scientific method
JohnG34897
I would argue that all scientific breakthroughs are based on faith. They strongly believe something is possible before any evidence exists.
hyrppa95
All scientific breakthroughs are based on evidence. They don't just go "hey guys, i think this is how it should work". 1/2
Scientists have predictions based on mathematics and older working theories, they just test those and conclude the accuracy with evidence.
OutFerARip
You've never come up with or tested an hypothesis, have you?
BearKurt
I wouldn't.
Enohpoxas
Different kinds of faith man. Some faith is religious, other is willpower.
I respectfully disagree. It comes from the Latin root Fides which has not religious association. Just means to believe or trust.
I'd say it depends on the context, but I respect that evidence.
AMartianPotato
The vast majority of scientific breakthroughs don't conform to that. Most scientific breakthroughs start with an observation of something 1/
previously unexpected and an attempt is made to understand why that thing happened. No faith required. 2/2
Also, everyone forgets scientists have careers and reputations, they don't have infinite timelines to test. They have to believe something.
Yes. But if faith = believing with no evidence. Exerting effort and energy with no proven evidence is moving forward with faith it will work
No. When you perform an experiment you accept that there's a chance it won't work. No faith is required. Think of it this way. I can exert 1
effort and energy into throwing a basketball at a hoop. I don't need faith that it will go in because I accept that it might not.
adrizen
This is the internet. Your logic means nothing here.
JustKiddingOrAmI
"The truth is out there, deny everything"
ispentwaytoolongthinkingaboutthis
Get rid of all religion and in 1k years there's no religion. Get rid of all science and in 1k years the same scientific results appear.
gilthan3
Promethianfire
BUT ITS JUST A THEORY. Yes. Like gravity. Care to jump off a building?
TotallySaneScientist
Akhams razor
moosemilk
*before picture loads* A GAME THEORY
RatoMolhado
"Well, theoretically you're not wrong, but my says, and agrees, that ."
ForeveraKritik
I'll take 'Dinosaur skeletons were put here by the Devil to tempt us' for $800.
NeutralPitStopCommenter
But my magic book tells me that this is right and this is wrong!!!
zeroarsenic
Unfortunately, this thinking process doesn't work here in imgur.
acunninglinguist
Then you get the arrogant asshat who argues that accepting scientific theory requires its own kind of faith, and that atheism is religion.
Uzernaime
How do we now this theory behind theories is correct? Or is this all just theoretical?
malexmatt
Philosophy of science.
Tashchick
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
We don't focus on simpler theories because they're more likely to be true, but because it's more resource-efficient to do so.
DontAskAboutMyDay
Sounds more like a cult than a theory
aedanman
It was a circle with the first bit of evidence.
Rodeodoc
Then someone puts their thoughts on a Facebook Mommy Blog group, and it becomes law.
thenortoriousbuddha
A Game Theory!
NocturnalGreed
Science is critical thinking, and once you get all the info you can, you put them together to form what seems most likely, not what is true.
malexmatt
There's a vital element of creativity in there, too.
NocturnalGreed
Lately I've realized that creativity and inspiration isn't found, but realized. A product of one ceasing to second guess their thoughts.
JBib
I love this post every time it's posted, but an interesting counter, or corollary rather to the assumptions part is how hard it can be...1
JBib
to identify those assumptions. I cite the wonderful gifts that shows how a rotating wheel can be viewed as a series of oscillating...2
JBib
points along line segments.
JBib
LittleKnownOne
Or... or... this is Imgur/internet and facts mean nothing because we have opinions. Fact = downvotes ; incorrect loud opinion = Yay!
RetroBlast
Science means not being afraid to say "we don't know...yet."
OneCuntMan
what a dumb comment
Teevorkio
Science never says that we know they just say what they think is most likely correct
ishiishinji
Science means trying to prove yourself wrong, not right
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
But idiots will use the "theory" part to argue it must not be true. I know of a guy who is vehemently opposed to the idea of evolution.
RequisiteUnit
Sad that they don't explain this in schools. Everything they teach is "fact", instead of, "this is the best we've come up with.
valen00
All models are wrong, some are usefull
StormSaxon
I had a teacher say this... Who coined this?
valen00
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong
knotshittingyou
step three should say hypothesis
moxymox
The hypothesis would occur before the experiment in step 1. Theory explains a set of established observations.
knotshittingyou
still not s theory at that point
moxymox
That's a thoroughly compelling argument. Thank you.
knotshittingyou
the last step would be a theory. it's a very strict term. Even when things seem to work it would be call an hypothesis. It had to be (1)
knotshittingyou
thoroughly tested, replicated (proven in math), be consistent with everything else we know. The boubdaries also have to be mapped.
moxymox
The last step is a continuation of the third step, but with more hypotheses demonstrating additional evidence.
xyzzyb
Faith has no place in science because everything in science must be allowed to be wrong.
Promethianfire
Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. -Tim Minchin
Coko4
Faith means strong belief in religious doctrines based on spiritual conviction rather than proof so obvs goes against the scientific method
JohnG34897
I would argue that all scientific breakthroughs are based on faith. They strongly believe something is possible before any evidence exists.
hyrppa95
All scientific breakthroughs are based on evidence. They don't just go "hey guys, i think this is how it should work". 1/2
hyrppa95
Scientists have predictions based on mathematics and older working theories, they just test those and conclude the accuracy with evidence.
OutFerARip
You've never come up with or tested an hypothesis, have you?
BearKurt
I wouldn't.
Enohpoxas
Different kinds of faith man. Some faith is religious, other is willpower.
JohnG34897
I respectfully disagree. It comes from the Latin root Fides which has not religious association. Just means to believe or trust.
Enohpoxas
I'd say it depends on the context, but I respect that evidence.
AMartianPotato
The vast majority of scientific breakthroughs don't conform to that. Most scientific breakthroughs start with an observation of something 1/
AMartianPotato
previously unexpected and an attempt is made to understand why that thing happened. No faith required. 2/2
JohnG34897
Also, everyone forgets scientists have careers and reputations, they don't have infinite timelines to test. They have to believe something.
JohnG34897
Yes. But if faith = believing with no evidence. Exerting effort and energy with no proven evidence is moving forward with faith it will work
AMartianPotato
No. When you perform an experiment you accept that there's a chance it won't work. No faith is required. Think of it this way. I can exert 1
AMartianPotato
effort and energy into throwing a basketball at a hoop. I don't need faith that it will go in because I accept that it might not.