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RondomGuy
To be fair 50-60 mph is really fucking slow for the vast majority of freeways and feels like they are based on safety measures of a ford model A. But as someone else said, its fine if youre driving the limit just dont be in the passing lane
Iblamemyparentstoo
Just don't do it in the left lane then
gwaur
What wearing a helmet when riding an e-scooter feels like.
thatwoodguy
Too bad this panel is an excerpt from a cartoon by that shit cartoonist Ben Garrison
ShadeWilson2
Slower is not safer, cooperation is safer. The slowest driver on a roadway is a nexus of dangerous situations and potential collisions as people come up behind them and try to maneuver around them. Whatever your opinion of how people should behave on the road, if you're obstinately putting yourself in other people's way the whole time you're driving, you are the problem.
jimofoz
I honestly wish they'd enforce speed limits; or just quit setting them.
Goodwill82
I felt like this more during the pandemic when I was the only one wearing a mask somewhere.
darkbacon
Forget the speed limit. Go close to the average speed of the traffic. If the speed limit is 55 but everyone is going 60 to 65, go at least 60. Otherwise you're a traffic obstacle: everyone else on the road will be trying to get around you because you're going too slow. It's of no use saying, "I'm going the speed limit, they're speeding!" Yes, everyone else is speeding. It doesn't change the fact that you're endangering yourself and everyone around you. (Deserted highway? Feel free to go slow.)
richtus
As a truck driver, getting passed like nothing by the other truck drivers.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Good God, is that man pissing straight mercury?!
reichstein
What? Doesn't everybody?
sonnuvah
I don't mind if they go faster but "safe following distance" is not "space for you to cut in front of me so close that I have to slow down"
sdrawkcabmIpleH
Conservation of inadequate distances: if a distance between two cars driving one after the other is increased to approach safe, the energy will summon another car to fill the space.
fnoigy
Took me way too long to understand what was happening in this drawing
wingweaver415
If this is what it feels like then get out of the fucking way.
Ree81
Also caring about climate change. "Haw haw you want to have a pension!"
CaptSchmidtGaming
the guy in the center is a halo 5 enjoyer with the rest of the halo community
VALKATOVE
Generally, I am too lazy to exceed the speed limit.
Urgalicity
This is just what being a human in society.
WhiskyBravo
I try to be accommodating, for me left lane is only for passing, and if I'm doing that but someone is riding my ass and wants to go faster, they just have to wait until I am done passing whomever. But the ratio of assholes to normals on TX highways is about 9 to 1 so you have to just get out of the way sometimes or else you get shot at.
JustANerdInTheWorld
Part of the problem is, at least in the US, the ‘limits’ are actually set with the expectation people will go above them, and that’s factored into the ‘limit’. So the limits aren’t really limits at all. Contrast to the first time I drove on some tiny curvy European roads and wondered if I’d ever be brave enough to actually go as fast as the posted limits allowed.
maxximii
Also, the rules that dictate what speed a road is rated for were written in the 50s. When roads were far worse than today, and cars were basically fancy tractors. They need to be updated to match modern vehicles and road technology.
Cindex1337
Good thought, but no.
They allow speeding because if everyone is speeding they can pull over whoever they want at any time.
I've heard cops brag about it before. There can be 10+ cars going 10mph over and they'll grab the one with the guy they "don't like" (almost always racism).
Realistically, highway speeds should be around 10mph higher than they are. Which is the speed most people drive. But why would they do that, when they can't pull everyone over at will?
AlwaysDownvoteDots
Too bad the idiots downvoted you, this is absolutely true. In my area they'll profile hard when choosing who to pull over.
dank69
Speed limit is calibrated for society's least capable drivers. If you drive the speed limit and feel like driving any faster would be dangerous, you probably should not be operating deadly machinery. You legally can, but it's probably not a good idea and you are slowing the rest of the world down if you don't let more capable people pass whenever you can.
In a sane society, driver's license testing would be at least 10x more challenging than it is currently, and speed limits would be higher
Munchman347
I do about +5 on my motorcycle and get passed, at high speed, by people who cross double yellow lines or pass on tight curves, apparently they can't stand to be behind my two wheels... And I only use the 'passing lane' for passing...
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Cars were a mistake.
slayston
Nah cars were a great idea, letting people continue on...well that's another story
TheDildoOfConsequences
You might even take that back to the industrial revolution and its consequences...
NotACanadian
The Neolithic revolution*
TheDildoOfConsequences
"In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people angry, and been widely regarded as a bad move."
KP101
If you are in the left lane and someone is coming up behind you - YOU HAVE TO MOVE OVER. Nobody should be going "the speed limit" in the left lane. Its a passing lane, you can't pass someone if you're going the same speed, therefore it is expected and normal to exceed the limit to pass before returning to the center lane. If you think you're a vigilante speed enforcer or you forget your rear-view mirror exists then you need to stop getting behind the wheel.
krotuskang
I drive the speed limit every day and it drives people wild no matter what lane you are in. I am paid hourly so good luck catching me speeding.
Gelantious
Yeah, obeying the speed limit has turned into lawful evil. It's awesome to piss people off by doing it, especially on roads where they can't pass.
UNHchabo
a) Why be antagonistic about it? I will not be a jackass to someone going the speed limit in front of me, but I'd appreciate the courtesy of letting me by so I can go my preferred speed.
b) Preventing a pass, even while doing the speed limit, is illegal in many states. There's a reason twisty roads will often have signs like this. Even if you're doing the speed limit, if you have a line of cars behind you wanting to go faster, you MUST pull over to let them by.
Cindex1337
Jfc FINALLY. I swear sometimes it's like I'm the only one driving the speed limit.... I hate everyone on the road.
Except you. We can be friends.
UNHchabo
For any given road, if there was no posted speed limit, there would be a bell curve for how fast people would drive on that road. You want the posted speed limit to reflect the speed that most people think is appropriate for the road.
"In 1993 the Transportation Research Board published a study by John E. Baerwald, which found that vehicles travelling at or about the same speed minimized the need for overtaking, passing and lane changes and, as a result, caused fewer accidents."
Cindex1337
Seems meaningless now, seeing as driving the speed limit shows me being consistently passed.
UNHchabo
If the median speed on the road is higher than the speed limit, then that means the limit is likely there to generate revenue or provide the cops with a reason to pull people over arbitrarily, not because that's the safest speed for the road.
It works the other way too though: when it's snowing that doesn't mean it's safe to drive the posted speed limit, the proper speed for the conditions will be far lower.
Cindex1337
Well sure. Which is why I drive the speed limit. I don't feel like being the one with the ticket.
Though, unless the roads are *really* bad, I usually drive the speed limit anyways. I learned how to drive in snow, and I'm very good at it. Always funny to pass some 4x4 trucks in my little car lol. Front wheel drive means if you steer INTO the slide and accelerate slightly it just pulls right out.
popefool
The best decision I ever did for myself regarding driving was to drive the speed limit. In the furthest right-hand lane. Everyone else can just drive like a bunch of psychopaths several lanes over. And deal with the road rage of all the people who don't understand what the left hand lanes are for. And they can leave me the fuck alone while they do it.
vurcease
Excellent strategy. Void on I-4 through central Florida. The lanes… they mean nothing here.
baggypants12000
Plot twist. OP is British.
mfcrogue
Can confirm, not British but drive on the "left", most people drive in the middle or right lanes, so frustrating.
Totallybadassusername
Cruise control on the speed limit. Just easy fucking life
flamingflamingo
Exactly right. Driving by itself is just so super dangerous, and speeding all the time just makes you more stressed out. It’s not worth it. I’d rather feel safe, unhurried, and not angry.
AyatollahBahloni
Just last week I was driving 5 mph over the limit in the center lane of a 3-lane stretch. This asshole truck comes up behind me and sits about 3 feet behind my bumper, obviously expecting me to move. "Fuck you," I thought, and stayed right where I was. He could pass on the left, or he could pass on the right for all I cared, but there's no way I was going to move for a douchebag. He finally passed me on the left, and proceeded to do the same thing to another car in front of me.
SyntheticCK
The real test here would be to ask if you move to the left to allow people getting onto the highway, then move back once past them?
ExTechOp
That is actually forbidden in places where there are no speed limits and the rightmost lanes can have a horrifying speed difference to the next lane inwards, and sudden lane changes in that direction can cause serious accidents. The people merging in have to learn to adjust their speed to match others.
SyntheticCK
That doesn't really help if there's a line of cars in the way. If room allows, moving into a left lane temporarily helps keep the flow of traffic steady and unjammed. That's why you don't see yield signs when you are getting on the highway.
BatmanAndCradleRobin
is everyone but him peeing in the pool?
DarkfireDragon
I think that's the point. It's a metaphor for how drivers who speed act like drivers who follow the speed limit are the losers holding everyone else back.
Cindex1337
Exactly. I'm the only person I've literally *ever* known that doesn't speed. People hate me. "Five over is normal" they say. Well fuck you Becky, I'm not doing it.
There is a very limited exception though. When I drive in Minneapolis/St Paul I will follow traffic speed. When it's a 50mph speed limit, and everyone around me is going 65-70mph nearly bumper to bumper, it's insanely dangerous to follow the speed limit.
Which is why I loathe going there.
DarkfireDragon
That extra 5mph barely makes a difference anyway so you might as well follow the limit.
Cindex1337
Exactly. Over a 60 mile drive, 5mph will save you about five minutes. Not worth it.
trumpypumpyinyourrumpy
This what it feels like not to get a ticket and arriving safely
FetteredJuvenescence
If the vast majority of people are going enough faster than you, you're actually in more danger driving slowly than you would be if you sped up. Also easy rule for not getting a ticket: Just always make sure you see at least one person driving faster than you. Doesn't really matter how fast you're going, the cop will go after the person going faster.
gluttonygreedpridewrathslothlustenvy
Untrue in countries where they have speed cameras that mail you tickets instead of bubba cops running speed traps.
executivedisfunction
Tested fact: Traffic is safest when there is a minimal of difference in speed between the slowest cars, and the fastest cars.
Gelantious
Thus everyone should obey the speed limit.
Tatsumaru004
But as evidenced by the fact we have this post at all few do. Just speed up a bit and clear the passing lane.
demianstine
State your source.
UNHchabo
One good piece of evidence is the Federal Highway Commission's study of Differential Speed Limits, when for instance you have a limit of 65 for cars and 55 for trucks. That is significantly more dangerous than just raising the limit to 65 for all vehicles.
demianstine
tentatively I accept this evidence I will look into it more thank you
andydicktracymorganfairchild
Trucks are really scary and one time one of them came up behind me really fast when I was in the right hand lane of a three lane highway and got really close and stayed there and I was like wtf pass me I'm in the slow lane, it seems like they're not fully under anyone's control.
trennerson
You should stay off of the highway I think maybe huh
Cindex1337
You shouldn't have a license. But here we are, covered in idiots.
You. The idiot.
ThePretentiousGentleman
We talking an 18 wheeler or a pickup truck?
HighLordRegentofChaos
Yes.
InfocalypseRising
I ended up driving at night on the Mass Pike for a while and I swear the truckers do this just to fuck with people. CONSTANTLY had 18 wheelers crawling up my ass in the right lane.
Cindex1337
If there's a passing lane (or just another lane) I will stop. Nor suddenly, obviously, but I'm not playing that game with a fucking semi. I will risk a ticket to not get fucking crushed if I hit a deer. My friend died from this. I will never let it happen again.
Fuck anyone who says it's okay. With a cactus. I'll do it myself. Ross didn't deserve to die.
architectidonna
A long time ago, when I was a young woman, had one semi in front, one behind, and one beside in the left lane. It was terrifying. They didn’t let me go until they felt like it.
ExquisiteConundrum
Yep, happened to my mom.and I when I was little. It was terrifying.
VCJunky
No reason to follow you closely. But perhaps he was exiting soon. Trucks often get into the lanes they need to go to well in advance.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
Good point, and actually if memory serves I think that was the case! Well done.
Blud4BludGod
They're still a dickhead for tailgating you.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
Mos def.
Cindex1337
Literally does not matter at all. What an idiotic thing to defend.
"I'm gonna do this potentially lethal thing cause I'mma turn soon"
"Hurr, it's okay he'll turn!"
*Everyone died*
Fucking idiot. STFU.
JCBalance
Did you miss his first sentence, or did you just feel like being an asshole?
Cindex1337
Imgur mobile sucks and I can't even find what I replied to. But reading my own comment? I'm gonna go with you're dumb.
KangarooConcern
"No reason to follow you closely."
JCBalance
Asshole, got it.
guardianzero
I don't mind people going the speed limit but get out of the passing lane.
OctopusStinkhorn
And then the people that tailgate me when I’m in the slow lane need to get their shit together and pass me or back off.
livingonagiantfireball
The law is made to control the mass, not to prevent crime.
iwantthepinkbook
Yes. All of the people I know that drive this way, treat it like a power trip. It’s very irritating as a passenger.
tiderfish
But also stay out of the car right lane that is used for merging. Cause that will bottleneck traffic as well
q34tw4
The passing lane is the PASSING LANE not the "speed until you get home and endanger everyone" lane
yellwfever
InvisibleMan86
*pissing lane
LincolnFox
Middle lane and cruise control is life, otherwise stay out of the merging lane
EmeRgencyDrD
Lazy af
LincolnFox
Cute that you prefer inefficiency lol
BANANAFLAKE
That and get ip to speed before moving left when getting on. I have seen so much traffic happen because someone got on going 50 and decided to cut left.
Illinifan88
This, and not holding a steady speed. I think that actually gets me more. People that swing between 10 over and 10 under drive me off the wall, especially if it's on a two lane country road.
BluePaladin42
Consistency is extremely important.
mercyPandaRunner
What do you want to do? Call the cops on them?
ImSynnical
I drive like an asshole and I know it’s not a good thing I can’t seem to stop and I’m sick of rich city cunts driving below the speed limit like some days on my to or from work I have to “illegally” pass multiple slow ass drivers that drive like they’re the only fuck on the road and they have nowhere to be
OGSnow
Lane hogging as a slow driver has become such a problem on english roads that they changed the law so you can legally undertake a vehicle going slower if they are disrupting traffic, and have a ad campaign about how to use lanes correctly
Homosexualsaregay
It's shocking in Australia too. People will sit in the middle lane going well below the speed limit and genuinely have no clue they're doing anything wrong. Sitting in the far left lane going the speed limit is the trick in Aus. Way less traffic
kjtodd11
In my state it is illegal to be in the passing lane and not actively passing, you will get a ticket. Doesn’t stop people from doing it though
wiltsjunk
Yup
WereAllAssholesIJustAdmitIt
Also the lane next to the passing lane. When those 2 people aren't going fast enough it makes people have to go over 2 lanes and creates drama for everyone around. If you're not speeding, stay out of those 2 lanes.
Cindex1337
You're an idiot.
If you're passing someone, you use the passing lane. It's not called the "speeding lane".
I fucking hate you.
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ionlyregisteredtosavelinks
I'm guilty of sitting on the left lane. That's usually because the tarmac is buttloads better on that side. Do my best to vacate it for faster traffic, but flashing lights behind me on approach is still always welcome.
cbale2000
Careful where you do this, I know my state passed a law a few years back that driving in the left lane for longer than it takes to pass will get you a ticket (regardless of whether or not there's actually any cars behind you that you're impeding)
Ionico
Shines a light on the under-reported, under-concerned problem of way too many semi trailers with shot suspension and illegal over-capacity weights. Combined with revulcanized used wheels that are usually "allowed" to blow off the truck instead of being changed sooner. Ya that right lane is fucked up. Exception after exception for oversize and overweight loads constantly being towed down the road these days. Those roads are usually 50 years old and were never designed to last this long too!
VCJunky
Cindex1337
If I'm passing someone, I'm in the passing lane. If you're speeding so fast that the ~60-120 seconds it takes me to pass someone going 2mph slower than me (and getting far enough away it's safe to move back over) then YOU are the problem.
You're always the fucking problem. You inconsiderate fucking monsters are ALWAYS the problem. I prefer not to get pulled over. If you want to be there earlier, leave earlier. Fucking idiots, the whole lot of you.
Just one more "fuck you" to round it out.
Ionico
People downvoting you, but man you're right. +1 for being right, but eh, they'll downvote for the personal attack, try : fuck THOSE monsters.
Cindex1337
They really are monsters. They argue about how it's "unsafe" while THEY make it unsafe.
It only happened once, but I've literally (breaking the law) STOPPED on a highway. The speed limit was 65, I was going 65. They just stayed 5-10 feet behind me and I got pissed.
Long story short, they called the cops. They never showed up.
lephilou
Just slow down to get back behind the guy you were passing... See the future look of the speedster as you give him exactly what he wants... Yet make him slow down even more... The smile at him when he finally gets to ragingly pass you, it'll make him madder 😎
Cindex1337
Well I'm in the USA, not trying to get shot. But I've been there lol.
Realistically, I ONLY do that to cops. If me going the exact speed limit means you're tailgating me, I hate you. If it's a cop, literally breaking the law they're supposed to enforce, they could literally die and I wouldn't care.
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Cindex1337
I mean, to be fair, I knew one cop that wasn't a bastard. He didn't even last three months though. Reported a senior officer for "something" and was ,"blacklisted nationally".
Funny how they can move a county over if they murder someone, but reporting a fellow officer gets you on some sort of secret list, isn't it?
For bootlickers: no I don't have the list. That's the point.
keenidiot
I want to, but I'm in Florida. Everyone on the right is going 10 to 15 miles under the speed limit.
pwn4science
its the max limit, not the min limit.
MeeepMorp
Do you really want the elderly to be going any faster when they should have lost their license decades ago for being unable to drive?
Funkypeeg
Speedometer Speed < Real/GPS moving Speed < Real/GPS moving speed + speed cam tolerance
Marikhen
I'll get out of the passing lane when I'm done passing the person going under the speed limit. /shrugs. To be fair though, I only pass ->
Marikhen
1) 5-10 vehicles per month while doing 65 on a 65 highway. I also have the advantage of getting onto the highway in the exact lane I need
Marikhen
2) to exit from on my entire trip home, and my trip to work only requires one lane change to the right. The joy of minimal lane changes.
Ionico
Will do! I always stick in the slower lane and am mindful about passing (but not as fast as speeders) so I wait till there's plenty of room. I used to speed.... work was 45 min away, most of the way the speed limit is 65, then 70, then 65, about 1/3 each. I'd speed as fast as everyone else, never outdoing the majority, most people doing 75 in the 65, and 80 on the 70's. I'd get to work about in 43-42 minutes. Now I don't. I get to work in 45 minutes. I often see the same people the whole way.
patapof
That’s why math is so important to learn. Going 10% faster - so from 50 to 55 or 60 to 66 literally saves you… 6 minutes per hour, and the price to pay is an hour of being mad at the “slow” drivers and increasing your likelihood of death. For 6 minutes/hour.
Ionico
And you never can go that speed the whole time. You get stuck and then bring it back up when you can. That's why after timing myself for a month, my average was 3 minutes slower just going the speed limit, and I decided this was fucking dumb.
NateintheNorth
Having a vehicle that's pretty fuel efficient has shown me how much of a difference a little more speed has on fuel economy. I'll enjoy my music for a few more minutes to save some money.
keraos
It's funny - my car actually gets its best efficiency between 70-75mph (it's about 2mpg better). I've done a lot of testing on open highway, and it's been very consistent.
C0baltBlue
I'm certain there's something not right here. It may be the way your car is reporting mpg or something. Physics dictates that lower speeds are more efficient, as drag increases exponentially. Driving theory tests in my country give a figure of 15% more fuel usage between 50 and 70 mph, for example.
keraos
It's very possible my car is reporting incorrectly, but I tested on the same 500 mile stretch of road going 65 and 72 using cruise, so I don't think it was driver error. It's a well maintained 2000 Benz, so it's a car designed for higher consistent speeds too. I've read that a lot of newer cars are designed for optimal mileage at 60 mph to encourage/reward slower driving. May just be the ideal break point for the engine vs air resistance, or an inaccurate computer.
Ionico
Gear ratio most likely, the engine's efficiency at a certain rpm outperforms the wind resistance, in the small term.
FirmMolases
HorseBot3000
I auditioned for this role. Didn't get it
CardeasIV
Thank God, ey (pun intended). Guy nailed it.
eiger3970
What if there's no room to move out of the passing lane, whilst passing on the speed limit, which slows down the speedsters (sometimes for minutes)? Analogue/manual ICE cars cannot maintain correct speed and require emotional human foot engagement, often leading to road rage; digital EVs can maintain exact speed to the microsecond and removes the emotional/aggressive human speedster element; digital control will probably solve many traffic problems caused by speedsters and other illegal habits.
Cindex1337
This is way too stupid to be AI. For anyone wondering, this is the actual argument:
What if you're driving the speed limit, but you're not going much faster than the person you're passing?
The answer is: shut the fuck up. Nobody is required to drive over the speed limit (to pass) or under the speed limit (to stay behind the person they're passing). Unless there's two vehicles just blocking the road, driving the speed limit, just STFU.
Even then? STFU anyways. You're not entitled to speed.
eiger3970
Yes, you're not allowed to speed. To elucidate, the point is moving out of the passing lane can take minutes, which is when speedsters following behind are road rage triggered. So speedsters need to stop the aggression. Re EVs, the point is valid, ICE cruise control and engine to wheel turn ratio is sloppy, compared to EV micro control.
Cindex1337
Uhm.... How old are you? 17? Because this is almost entirely nonsense. I have no idea why you think EVs are even slightly related....
ChloeRed
"manual ICE cars cannot maintain correct speed and require emotional human foot engagement" Never had cruise control?
Cindex1337
Shitty bot or southerner brainwashed by Musk. Hard to tell.
ChloeRed
I can add it to my other classic ones. "You can't have cruise control with a manual", and "You can't have a demister with out AC" ;)
Cindex1337
Do people actually believe that?
Ugh. Dumb question. Of course they do.
NachoPete
Yeah! That lane is for crime!!
ilPino
Grimmrog
this, if people would stay with the max speed everyone with max speed could be on the passing line. because no one else would need to to "pass" as no one would be faster.
zaqx
It’s a speed “limit” not a speed requirement. Not every vehicle on the highway is going to reach that speed. This is why the passing lane is important. Vehicles capable of going the speed limit need to be able to get around the slower traffic
Grimmrog
Of course, but if everyone would not go over the limit, people at the limit would not be required to free the passing lane unless emergency vehicles are coming. And going from speed limit on the passing lane back to the regular lane means often having to slow down due to slower vehicles there. Which often is hindrance to fluent traffic. And all that just for a few people going 8ver the allowed spwed
gkrum6847
No, you don't have to slow down. That's the point. You just get in the passing lane and pass. That lane should always be clear for passing if people are doing it right. Just ask Europe. There are a few things that cause the system to break down: 1) people taking longer than, say, 10 seconds max to pass, 2) people forming caravans in the travel lane not leaving room for passing cars to rejoin, and 3) too many cars on the roads, which will be an issue in any event.
fnkyfrsh
Except impeding traffic is also a crime where I’m from. If you can’t or won’t hit the limit within a reasonable margin, you need to not be on the highway. You’re literally a danger to the other drivers.
Waidonut
That doesn't matter because it will never happen. We, as humans, will never just all simultaneously do the exact same thing. Also the limits are variable, like 70-100. Someone going 96 will still want to pass someone going 73
whatspaulplayingtoday
we will if there's a nuclear blast. we'll die.
Waidonut
Oh but some may survive
CardeasIV
Sure mate. But, it is passing lane, not going as fucking fast as your car can, thats for one. So, when i am in a car alone (no kids or wife) and i am passing above the speed limit (limit 80 i go 90-95) and theres some BMW asshole closing behind me real fast, blinking like a mainiac, even honking, i just...slow down and make sure my passing takes as long as humanly possible. Any other normal person that just slows down, waits till i pass and moves on i try to get outta way way ahead of time.
AlwaysDownvoteDots
I'm not a sociopath so I just move out of the way when I see someone rolling up on my tail. I really don't care why they're moving so fast.
dieselfury
Why not just move aside and end the encounter early? Not saying that to be antagonistic, just that it doesn't serve you to escalate an encounter when it could be such a brief moment of your life otherwise.
CardeasIV
Generally, because i hate dickheads and i like the pleasure that comes out of spite when treating them as they deserve. Now if you feel the need to blink and honk and what not to anyone whos in your way because theyre going only 15% over the speed limit and you feel like youre driving jet plane and are entitled to be given runway, i will slow down to given speed limit because, yknow, that the law and if people are not happy with me breaking only a little, i wont break it at all
applesforjuice
You're the dickhead buddy
CardeasIV
/2 and yes, i do realize its not safest (or correct) way to do, thats why i dont do it with family on board, beacuse said dickheads are very easy to anger when they dont have their way, but i refuse to give way to these kind of people thinking their better than others. As i said, if i can move away safely, i let anyone through, even stop passing / slow down a lot before i pass a truck or smth, when i see car approaching rapidly, cuz thats polite, but if they need to honk or blink, fuck em
CardeasIV
theyre* what the fuck have i become
CorrectMostOfTheTime
So to counter a dickhead that you hate you then act like a dickhead that you would hate
OddlyPacific
Blocking the left lane is not a traffic violation but speeding is. Deal with it.
CorrectMostOfTheTime
It is in most states actually
OddlyPacific
But not for most drivers
CorrectMostOfTheTime
What? If it’s a violation it’s a collision regardless of driver. Don’t camp left lane
DickTipPapercut
don't make your shitty driving someone else's problem.
OddlyPacific
Don’t make your disorganization and impatience someone else’s problem. Your drive to Walmart isn’t an emergency.
JCBalance
Blocking the left lane actually is a traffic violation in lots of places, and more dangerous than letting traffic flow as it would normally. You're forcing everyone behind you closer together at various speeds as they need to pass, exit, merge, or avoid other objects/drivers. People get hurt that way.
OddlyPacific
Source for more dangerous than letting traffic flow normally? Traffic laws are as subjective and arbitrarily enforced as every other law. ACAB and ignorant of the safest practices.
Wolf2Worrior
MostLikelyNotWearingPants
Maybe not in your state, but theres a ton of others where traveling in left lane unless passing is a violation.
executivedisfunction
A real violation in parts of N. Europe, where CCTV monitors a heck of a lot of pavement, and tickets are sent out not only for squatting in the passing lane, but following too closely. Germany has lines on the pavement for easily seeing distance, and calculating speeds on video. But then Germany takes it's driving far more seriously than the US.
DrowningLessons
So wrong and said with such conviction. It's a trend you see often
OddlyPacific
What’s wrong about this? Show me the law that applies to me in California.
BrockEffingSamson
They don't have Google in CA? https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/vehicle-code/veh-sect-21654/
OddlyPacific
Haha, talk to your lawyer about why you’re an idiot.
OddlyPacific
Oil companies love it when idiots buy more fuel so they can get to Walmart faster.
BrockEffingSamson
LOL, this MF is manufacturing traffic jams and talking about how much of an environmentalist he is.
OddlyPacific
I’m saving money. I don’t give a fuck about you or looking like an environmentalist to you.
JCBalance
You think blocking traffic saves gas?
OddlyPacific
You know driving slower saves gas, right?
MeowWoof
https://www.octicketdefense.com/california-vehicle-codes-cvc/vc-21654-driving-slowly-left-lane/
Notice the specific language of “less than the normal speed of traffic.” if the normal speed of traffic is five over, then yes it's illegal to block the left lane even if you're going the speed limit.
OddlyPacific
Haha, what an interesting interpretation of “deliberately holding the left lanes unless there is an emergency or you are not driving under the posted speed limit”.
SinStar87
what's it say on normal speed of traffic being 5 over the limit?
BluePaladin42
I was informed by the fucking BMV when I first got a learner's permit that "Flow of Traffic" is paramount, because driving faster than (or, importantly, SLOWER THAN) everyone else on the interstate makes you a danger to everyone else. No amount of holier than thou "Well I was going to speed limit" is going to impress the cops or a judge if you cause an accident this way.
OddlyPacific
It is extremely difficult to be proven at fault for getting rear ended. No amount of “flow of traffic” is going to get you off the hook for road rage, rear ending, or tailgating.
executivedisfunction
Most of CA implicitly recognizes much of the traffic flows at 'illegal' speeds. Notice is taken more by LEOs of unusual movements, like weave passing using the slower lanes, running up on slower cars and tailgating, and speeding even beyond the normal.
SinStar87
why is illegal marked with ''? Makes seem seem it's illegal to go over the speed limit but arbitrarily enforced.
samwyze
They can't pull us ALL over!
SinStar87
:) hehe
AzgarOgly
Being there, seen that.
cannibalthemusical
I had 6 motorcyclists blocking up both lanes on the I90. They would merge left to pass, then spread out so nobody could get through, while maintaining 5 under. Infuriating on a 4 hour drive
executivedisfunction
I'm pretty sure all states have rules about committee blocking all lanes. Areas with unmarked cars are more entertaining for the spectators.
Mikoshaman
They were prolly “owning the libs” but missing the fact that the ones hurt most by that are the Teamsters.
NewTitaniumCorvid
That's a you problem. Choose to get infuriated or choose to cruise.
TheSaltyCaptain
Maintaining 5 under the speed limit is fine, and as long as they let emergency vehicles through I don't see a problem here.
PballQhead
In most if not all states, since they aren't at the limit, that is Obstructing/Impeding Traffic and it's just as illegal as going 5 over. Not to mention far, FAR more dangerous.
UnholyMoses
Except they were blocking every lane, and thus impeding traffic (which is illegal in many states -- and you'd lose your license in several European nations).
CorrectMostOfTheTime
That makes you part of the problem
JaceTiger
And you lost about 10 minutes on the drive. But probably saved at least $30 in gas
Airwolfen
If going just the limit over that would be 30+ minutes. And to save $30 with my car I'd need to not make a 4h drive in the first place.
UnholyMoses
Gas mileage is not based solely on speed and you're wrong about the rest, too, but at least you tried!
JaceTiger
The faster you go, the more energy (in this case gas usage) you need to get to and maintain that speed, which is usually 70 on interstates (or is in my experience); There's a ton of factors, especially the air resistance, mpg average and cost of gas.
Redoing calculations,I did screw up the math a bit (forgot to convert one of them to mph). It would be 18 minutes, not 10. And it would probably save between $5 and $16 . Either way, you still save money and don't lose that much time.
NewTitaniumCorvid
If you need to exceed the speed limit to pass then you don't need to pass
getthismanabeer
Spoken like someone that's never made a pass on a two way road.
NewTitaniumCorvid
Actually, spoken like someone who did a high speed pass on to a road and ended up upside down in the ditch next to the road... Lucky that this lesson didn't cost me my life.
cbale2000
Sounds like you might just be a bad driver
NewTitaniumCorvid
I was. Because I was arrogant enough to believe my "skills" entitled me to drive as fast as I thought was safe. The accident was a wake up call that gave me a chance to pull my head out of my ass and become a more relaxed, patient and considerate (aka better) driver. Less rage, more sage.