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Edit: some of you ask for sources. Look, at the moment there are no legally established facts. There will be investigations and someday there will be sources. This screenshot is one of the accounts and its reliablity is similar to many current reports. Google it, there is a plenty of testimonies and photos of what happened in Bucha. We can’t be sure of particular details, but I am 100% convinced that russian soldiers have killed civilians and have raped women in Ukraine.
Exact circumstances (the extent of atrocities) will be a matter of further investigations by official authorities.
Spuddygirl
Slava Ukraine!
RadicalRecluse
you thought that humans werent horrible animals?
myscaleisntaccurate
Sources?
threenotch23
Russia OUT of the UN NOW!!! Out of the G20!!!
TheobromineAddict
War crimes need to be recognized and reacted to with force immediately, not decades later.
Randomgotes
Why is anyone surprised that the Russian Army is raping people? **Gestures broadly at the history of the Russian Army**
kruiik
And like lot of the stuff happening there - check your source, at least three times. also, #fuckputin
ViruzZX
Russia can never belong to the civilized world again. We must isolate them forever.
ClessAurion
War is a hell of a drug.
mish7765
Not only women, I'm afraid. Raping men/boys is a typical power move in war
minqapoc
The combination of war and social media is rapidly killing off my mental health. Starting to look for the exit again.
NotAWindowCleaner4k
Reach out to people. Bad times are temporary, it will pass, you’ll see
donthideyourright2
I said it last month: those Wagner people don't care, they destroy everything. To demoralize. Now it just creates anger and makes them war c
Merky600
Here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany#Soviet_troops I was hoping they’d have moved past this. Nope.
diamonddave606
When the dust settles and the dust clears it will be interesting to see if Putin winds up being tried in the Hague
DickGenie
And there will be people who will say it's fake, like the Holocaust deniers. Fwar, fsociety, fPutin.
CruelIrony2718
My Hungarian grandparents lived under soviet Russia when they were young. Rape, murder, theft by the occupying soviet forces was very common
CruelIrony2718
And none of the perpetrators were ever punished.
amb1021
There is a picture of a dead naked tied-up THREE-YEAR-OLD with her dead naked 17-YEAR-OLD sister. Ppl defending Russian soldiers sicken me.
TheJackKetch
Let's be clear: any country out there failing to condemn Russia for these attacks is implicitly supporting them. There is no fence to sit on
SkeletorXD
In 1000 years Russia has not fucking changed. In 1945 Gen Patton was reprimanded for suggesting we should attack while we had the chance.
SkeletorXD
The Russians were always worse than the Nazis. People are only starting to realize this.
SkeletorXD
Let me be clear. Nazis are evil and channeled that onto a specific group. Russians treat everyone like that. Even their own.
OlofBorrbrottsson
Let’s not forget the doctor in Zaporizhzhia who received a group of girls from Mariupol. They all had to be treated for recto-vaginal tears.
OlofBorrbrottsson
The oldest girl in the group was 10. The oldest.
sirfanciesadrought
OMG! I can't even
Imadethisaccounttopost
Every single one of these soldiers should be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.
BklynPunisher
Lined up and shot is more like it.
HaplotypeX
As a woman. Knowing that our rights to exist are that fragile, is maddening. In any conflict they love torturing women like that, why?
Aldanric24
This too can come to an american democracy near you if you vote republican!
HaplotypeX
Luckily I don't live in the US. So I will surely not vote Republican. I am from the NL and voted for Bij 1. Super left xd
sirfanciesadrought
Idk there's any reason. That's how it has been throughout history. I guess it's simply cause they can. I'm not very proud to be a man rn.
Somethingwittyandunique
Demoralises the home front, makes people feel powerless, angry, hopeless and full of despair - it’s a tactic of war and it’s totally fucked.
Krymzon74
The news of Russian atrocities becomes more and more grim every single day.
abyssfiend1
I thought Ukraine was winning the war and Russians didn't want to fight. Imgur's having a change of heart?
delpharseven
Ukraine is winning the war and many Russian troops don't want to fight. As Ukrainian forces push the Russians back, they are finding 1/
delpharseven
atrocities in towns the Russians had been occupying. This is of course on top of the atrocities the Russians have been committing against 2/
delpharseven
cities they have been laying siege to. The latter we know about because there is/was still information coming out of those cities before 3/
delpharseven
the Russians took them. The former we are only finding out about after the Russians have been kicked out because there was no information 4/
AxelPale
Sources please. There are too much propaganda on both sides.
delpharseven
More: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/04/04/russias-bucha-facts-versus-the-evidence/
delpharseven
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-retreat-leaves-trail-slain-civilians-town-near-kyiv-2022-04-02/
delpharseven
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/30/devastation-and-loss-bucha-ukraine
delpharseven
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/03/ukraine-says-killing-of-civilians-in-bucha-a-deliberate-massacre-a77187
ZitLicker
This. I detest Russia, But I still rather have an actual investigation. Rather than just wild rumors meant to appeal to my emotions.
delpharseven
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/03/bucha-violence-invasion-russia-ukraine
delpharseven
More: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html
delpharseven
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports
spacecowboyein
This is actually front page of the NYT right now. I agree though OP should have provided sources.
herpusderpi
All of the "sources" provided in the replies so far make no reference to these claims except the mass graves, those from Ukrainian officials
delpharseven
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/04/04/russias-bucha-facts-versus-the-evidence/
delpharseven
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html
herpusderpi
Every war contains vast swathes of unchecked claims of the barbarism of the opposing forces. Outrage is in Ukraine's interest.
herpusderpi
Be cautious about believing claims with no other sources. You can think Russia is shitty country led by an asshole without believing PR.
talbolt
The “not russians, only Putin” crowd needs to look at reality. These are ordinary Russians raping children en masse.
TerraBites
That's the problem when you turn any citizen into a soldier.
dewdar
I would suggest looking into Budanov's case back in early 00's. He tortured and raped a 17yo girl and yet people praised him as a hero
Demagur
If you wear the uniform you are complicit
abyssfiend1
No way, Imgur was bullshitting that these soldiers didn't want war? Who could've seen this coming!
ButtProblems
The way I see it, if they see and know this yet still don't defect or surrender, fuck em. I can watch Russian soldiers die all day.
ButtProblems
Fuck them and fuck everyone supporting them. Let them burn. Slava Ukraini!
SatanicSpirals
Glory to Ukraine and Hail to her people. May the next generation stay warm from the burning bodies of the Russian monsters.
ionlyregisteredtosavelinks
Coming from the east bloc, the knowledge of russians being sub-human came to me via mother's milk. Putin is only a symptom.
UltimaRatio
I think looking at others as sub-humans only exacerbates the problem.
ionlyregisteredtosavelinks
I understand it's not objective truth. But god damnit has the line been crossed way too many times. There is a limit to everything.
ijustwonamathdebate
Over 80% approval of the war in Russia. Numbers from last week.
mastodonj
Just like Putin "won" 77% of the vote at his last "election"
MoriMeta
If they are against it, why they dont protest? We only see single ppl pickets. Really few number.
mastodonj
Because almost all protesters have been arrested. Many never to be heard from again. There is a chilling effect on protest.
ijustwonamathdebate
It supposedly was done by the last independent opinion research institute in russia
mastodonj
https://cepa.org/what-do-russians-think-about-putins-war/
JHRD1880
Not surprising, this is how Russian soldiers tend to behave in every conflict.
ex1tium
Considering most of them are raped while in conscription by Officers and peers. Does it surprise you what happens when they are let loose?
ex1tium
Read this Vice article about Russian Army culture https://www.vice.com/en/article/gqdx44/full-v13n4
ErniesWidow
The movie, "The Innocents", was based on truth. https://cruxnow.com/rns/2016/07/movie-tells-long-ignored-story-rape-polish-nuns-wwii
Paradox1111
When humans go tribal.. this is the result
worhan666
That's how they "liberated" Poland during WWII
Bugkeeper
... and how "revenge" was taken on German women after said war - by all Allied armies, though. It was not acknowledged for a long time.
makeSX
Allways have. They should not be treated as POW when captured, tortured to death is the only thing they deserve
NothingPrince
In my eyes they are not soldiers and therefore can be treated as you like.
Deadsyy
Making them live as toothless eunuchs feels better deserving than the escape of death.
makeSX
I didn't spesify how long it would take.
ZitLicker
I don't know if it's part of doctrine of intentional terror, poor discipline, or a bit of both.
abyssfiend1
Because they know they'll get away with it :).
Carl99
Mostly the lack of training IMO. There's allways a few bad ones even in well trained troops, but it gets more prevalent in conscripts e.t.c.
ZitLicker
Sure. but they do have officers, and NCO's. You'd think that even an average conscript would adhere to what they have to say.
Carl99
I could expound on several possibilities but i don't know enough about the details to say which if any are true. Probably a mix.
Carl99
But at it's core the officer probably don;t care for one reason or another.
stotrow
My german grandma was fleeing from russian troops in the early 1940s. Her mother was raped by russians in front of her while she was (1)
ColonelColon
I have similar stories from my Ukranian step-grandma about German soldiers in the 40's. People are shit everywhere home squeeze.
stotrow
Absolutely true. Both grandpas had to fight and I know one of them was a really good guy, but the other... we never found out what he did.
Merky600
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany#Soviet_troops mind boggling numbers. “8 to 80” estimates..German women
hashomerachianochi
The biggest mass suicide in German history was a whole city worth of women choosing death when the Soviets came.
Merky600
…raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million.””Female deaths in connection…rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000”
stotrow
hiding under the bed. She has a hard time watching the news today, just the mention of russian tanks oder rapes gives her terrible (2)
stotrow
flashbacks. Some of my best friends in school were from Russia or Ukraine. I got to know them just as people, good people at that. (3)
stotrow
This hits so hard to home and I'm so mad. Sorry, just had to vent, I've been crying a lot lately, watching the news. Stay safe, my friends.
AVeryTallGlassOfIToldYouSo
The perception of russian soldiers as pitiful conscripts forced to fight is changing fast to rapist murderers who deserve to die.
triggrhaapi
There is no diametric opposition to that dichotomy. They can be pitiful conscripts who were forced to fight and committed rape and murder.
amb1021
I have never even hit a human in my entire life, but I would absolutely kill any of them if I got the chance.
HedonistBeard
This kind of thing is exactly what you get when you force untrained conscripts into war. Only way to goad them on is to become monsters.
tangent
Conscripts means poorly trained and little discipline. They dont want to be there so will make it worth their while and the brass don't care
mrthewhitee
Those were the first wave, the ones who died or surrendered mostly.
Aldanric24
I love seeing dead russian soldiers on r/ukrainianconflict and twitter.
kazenokize
I'm following the subreddit Ukraine War report and the stuff posted there is really hard to see.
TheFastpaws
“Gestures at older & current Russian history” Did you honestly expect different?
delpharseven
The Russians in Bucha weren't even conscripts. They were VDV, the supposed elite branch of the Russian military, all contract soldiers.
Noughmad
They can be both.
doesntmatter
In fact untrained, scared conscripts are more likely to behave like this.
ATastyCorpsesicle
The more conscripts leave, the greater the bulk of the Russian forces are... this.
Carl99
This, get a bunch of terrified upset badly trained soldiers in a warzone and this happens way more than well trained soldiers.
Carl99
Not a psychologist but i suspect it's a stress reaction thing, they're scared and stressed out and this is an outlet for that.
HiddenSanity
Ones deserting/surrendering/rebelling are pitiful conscripts, but increasingly the ones still there made a choice or are particularly scared
GodEmperorOfImgur
Also, rape is quite prevalent within the Russian military. It's a disgusting military culture.
TheS4ndm4n
There's a whole bunch (like chechen squads) that came to UA with the express intent to rape, pillage and kill.
makeSX
They (russian soldiers) should all be all lynched, no jail time, only tortured to death while the next in line is forced to see what is ->
makeSX
Waiting for them. The russian war machine has always been doing these kind of war crimes and they have never put on trial for any of it.
rubypilgrim
They are there in Ukraine because of one man: Putin. He is responsible for ALL of this. If he goes, they leave.
erroniousmaximus
That’s not entirely true. None of them were ordered to rape people. That was a conscious decision those people made in their own.
Smacketywack
These acts violate the Geneva Convention and constitute war crimes not only by the perpetrators, but also the Russian government if they
thelegendofthetwistednavigator
Do we have sources other than a LinkedIn post?
shibaweebas
These actions are legal in Russia & encouraged by the church there. There will be no action taken.
Outlavv
The global powers won't prosecute war crimes so they can have an out when they commit them later
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Unfortunately, the only thing that can actually enforce the Geneva Conventions is an enemy army in your capital.
VaultGirl69
It seems they are trying to goad the rest of the world to put boots on the ground to excuse this bullshit. What a bunch of monsters.
Welverein
Russia has revoked the soviet signature of the Geneva convention protocol regarding war crimes in 2019...
Grimmrog
well it's war it always happened during war and always will. war war never changes. And no matter what some Convention ever will decide.
Grimmrog
even less will the ones doing it ever be judged. And the word "war crimes" what horrible description, as it implies war wouldn't be a
Grimmrog
sort of crime in itself.
DarkRedCape
What is it with Russians and stuff like this? Any conflict they are in and there is mass rapings. Is it just some accepted cultural thing?
shibaweebas
Beating & raping women is legal there. & is also encouraged by the church to beat & torture Russian women. So, yes.
jenzhere99
becauseurwrong
It happens with every invading army, not just Russia. It's "accepted" among men in so many countries normally, but then they get turned--
becauseurwrong
loose with no social oversight on a group of people they're told are inferior or evil enemies, so they don't see the women as human. They--
becauseurwrong
see the women as animals to use or as property of the enemy men to destroy. Other men join in or look away or deny it happens. Reading--
becauseurwrong
accounts of it all, thru countries' histories & today (even rapes within soldier ranks), makes one endlessly depressed.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
They've seen the US get away with torture and similar war crimes by ignoring and threatening the ICC.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court#Criticism_by_the_United_States_government
DarkRedCape
Uhm, what? The Russians did this on a huge scale in WWII and the US barely even had a military at that time. They did it in Afghanistan too.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
Hm, I must have imagined Abu Ghraib happening. Or Guantanamo. Or Bush signing ASPA. Sorry, my bad.
Etherealvalentine
What about whataboutism?
flipiflop
Can we stop this bullshit essentialism? USA raped everywhere they went, as did every other invading army
devasto
"This was done by others, so it's ok and we'll let it happen" is not a good argument
TheSupremeCrabMaster
You can call out essentialism and acknowledge that what the Russians are doing isn't just "a few bad apples."
Smacketywack
fail to take action against them. Hearing these accounts really makes my blood boil. May Russia never live this down.
Argon18
Geneva convention became a checklist for russians
Ikusame
You mean like the last time they invaded and raped a nation and "never lived it down"?
Grimmrog
gthey? you mean like every country who invaded another. because thats not russian exclusive. it's juts "war" in general.
mcpma
Russia was already more or less confirmed to be using white phosphorus, so sadly they've already committed provable war crimes. 1/2
mcpma
We can hope there is a swift end to this, whatever it may be (so long as Ukraine is not subject to further pain at the hands of Russia, ofc)
SauteThoseOnionsYouSickBastard
Not white phosphorus again. How fucked up someone is to use that shit.
Ekibwurm
as someone not too weapon savy....what does it do? isnt phosphorus something that is used to make flame coloring?
SauteThoseOnionsYouSickBastard
In a few words, its ignition point is ~30°C(86F), the average temperature of your skin is 33°C.
Keairan
It ignites upon contact with air, and to remove it from flesh requires removing the layer of flesh it's adhered to.
Winterturtle
Basically it’s sticky fire that’s pretty much impossible to put out and likes to spray itself everywhere as it burns.