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(TL;DR at the bottom)
Being a victim of rape, I am often expected to automatically side with the accuser. That is not how I roll. I know most - if not all - women have been consistently harassed and/or assaulted within all areas of life. However, I also know there are men in prison for assaults they did not commit. Every few years or so, one is vindicated and released.
The massive surge of accusations within Hollywood right now is feeding into this "point the finger" mentality, where once a man is accused, they are automatically guilty. This. Is. Dangerous.
I will admit that there is a bit of sensitivity on my part, because even though I am a victim of rape, I am also a man. Still, I strongly believe in the sole judicial concept of protecting the innocent. Contrary to what many today believe, just because someone is accused of sexual harassment or assault, doesn't mean they did it. YES, that does mean it is possible an accuser isn't telling the truth. NO, that does not mean we deny the words of an accuser. It means we INVESTIGATE.
In some cases, an accuser may have thought the culprit was one person, when it was really another. In other cases, the accuser genuinely took what occurred as harassment, but a lack of communication led to the accused being unaware. Yes, this shit is complex, but no matter the case, we must make sure no innocent person gets hurt. No victim should go without justice, and no one should be condemned for a crime they did not commit. But it doesn't stop there:
1. If you have been accused of sexual harassment, and you know you are innocent, work to clear your name without defaming the accuser, for you may not know what they are going through internally. You may have done something wrong without knowing, and though that is not inherently your fault, it is your job to fix it.
2. If you have been accused of sexual assault, and you know you are innocent, do your hardest to prove your innocence, but do not forsake the emotional credibility of the accuser unless you can truly prove their claim is 100% falsified, mind and body.3. If you have been accused of sexual harassment or assault, and you know you are guilty, FUCKING confess. Do not make it harder on the victim than it already is.
4. If you are a victim of sexual harassment or assault, seek justice, but make sure you are going about it the right way. Getting the wrong person only creates another victim, and many of the wrongly accused never get the opportunity to vindicate themselves once condemned. Their lives are changed forever.
5. If you are not victim of sexual harassment or assault, DO NOT SAY YOU ARE. All that does it insult every real victim that exists, and makes it harder for them to be believed and get the justice they deserve.
Remember, this is not about blaming or not trusting the victim, but protecting the innocent, no matter who the innocent may be. If you read all of this, you're a fuckin' trooper! :)
TL;DR: Accusation does not equal conviction. Let's help the victims, but let's also protect the innocent from being wrongly accused and condemned. Catch the right guy.
I currently don't have a cat, so I can't pay my taxes. Please don't kick me out. :(
Namotatop
"Getting the wrong person only creates another victim" This.
Rexsplode
Before if you said "there are a lot of sexual predators in Hollywood" people readily agreed, but now people realize they know them.
ilsalta
If you men want answers, you have to look at modern history and how things got to this point. There are reasons this is happening.
doctorbees
As a survivor, it's not always cut and dry as "report it". I know for a fact my case is too gray and muddy and would've gone nowhere.
Riyakou
I consider my own ordeal rather the same, especially considering it started out consensual and ended disastrously.
gunnexx
@op I dont agree with this "though that is not inherently your fault, it is your job to fix it" . Its not always up to the accused.
llamalibrarian
And remembered, sexual misconduct isn't always a something you can go to jail for, but it is still wrong
biggwhytey
Something something re-victimized
IDownvoteYourShit
Thanks for endorsing sanity in this asylum.
LionHeart31337
You’re so brave for posting something that hasn’t hit the front page 37 times this week! Truly unpopular! God speed hero!
TheSuperJay
It's a wonder the poor men on Imgur can get out of bed in the morning, you know? So inspiring. #respetc
LionHeart31337
They must be shaking in their boots worried if they are going to be accused any second when half haven’t even consensually grab a boob...
dontsendmeurnudes
Innocent until proven guilty must always be adheared to. Bravo OP, you are a voice of reason in the middle of this.
TGWeaver
Innocent until proven guilty is for the courts. Nobody's getting lynched or imprisoned in the court of public opinion.
707isL0Lupsidedown
Read all of it.. good post OP
TezuNii
With Blackstone's formulation, we may soon have to release Australia
Resurrectionist
People love the idea of mob/vigilante justice and ignore the fact that they're wrong more often than they're right.
Finduses
Unless taxes. (In demark atleast)
o4kill
I was kicked off a jury for answering in the initial questions that I preferred innocent until proven guilty over erring towards guilty. OK.
fremiumplayer
If some dude was acting super creepy at me on a date,I wouldnt just warn my sisters and friends about this dude,Id be warning strangers too.
jayharrisbb6
When the court of public opinion is allowed to over rule that, historically, it has not ended well
dontsendmeurnudes
Very true
bobthebobbobulater
It is.
bobthebobbobulater
That is literally how the law works.
HugoArtemisRune
Everyone needs to know that sex is invite only. If you're not invited then fucking well stop. If you are invited then yippee for you.
Aeav8r
Instructions unclear, wasn't invited so fucked a well.
2and900
I believe all the accusations coming from Hollywood, all my life I've heard about how it is full of scummy asshats looking to use and abuse>
2and900
young aspiring entertainers, due process is important but I already see them all as trash.
2and900
people need to listen to SoaD more: https://youtu.be/mkoIiJhnXLo
adam1111
Oh look, an opinion that EVERY FUCKING PERSON ON THIS WEBSITE AGREES WITH.
YeahWeGetItYoureSad
Well, there's also the issue that our definitions of sexual assault and sexual misconduct are being re-written, and are not set in stone.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
By "our" do you mean society's definition? Because 'western' countries should have these terms specifically defined in their legislation.
Flyndaran
Often they do like how it wasn't rape to force your wife to perform sex acts, or how it still isn't legally possible for women to rape men.
Macish
The me too campaign seems to be, in certain cases, shifting social views on what constitutes sexual misconduct. For some, it seems /1
Macish
if a person has some sort of 'power' (eg boss) then anything past pure professionalism is harassment.
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
Plot twist: It's also way to easy to sexually harass/assault and get away with it.
TheManInTheWall
Sign me up for the army sappers division because theses conversations are always a minefield to walk through and I always end up in one
SeptemSeptem
I've never understood this concept of not talking about these things. If you follow Reason then conversations never become arguments.
TheManInTheWall
The fault lies in that many people dont always follow reason in a discussion they are passionate about. I have been known to do this before
SeptemSeptem
Agreed. I'm a sinner in that regard too, however, if people can't sit down and talk about things then nothing will be done.
cogitoro
"Accusation does not equal conviction" --you're right, it doesn't, and my opinion isn't a legal verdict. I believe the women aren't lying.
Everythingisalie841
Omg so unpopular
RepaidRapidDave
its a pendulum, for a long time it has been the other way around and it will swing back again. Hopefully we will hit the middle sometime.
RiskItForATotalBiscuit
Yeah. Mob justice must not rule the day
Greatbigbushybeard
I just want due process. Please.
boatymcboatfaceplant
This.
jesmonster
I agree with OP 100%, but just as important but far less discussed is the backlog of thousands of untested rape kits going back decades in
jesmonster
the US. If you really care about justice, you should be vocal about this too.
Corrodias
Sounds like having a "rape kit" and testing it on someone is what gets you in trouble in the first place. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Ding ding ding
TheSuperJay
They don't care about justice, though.
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
Yup, they just want the celebs they look up to to be exonerated of all discussion regarding their behavior...
CanadEh
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2017/12/17/rape-kit-detroit/953083001/
nonikoklolasos
What is that site? It literally puts a completely unrelated news article inside of the one I want to read.
CanadEh
Detroit free press.. ill see if i can find other links
darthbiscuit
My brother in law is permanently on the sex offender list because he got catfished by a 15 year old when he was 20. He told he she was 18>>
darthbiscuit
>> and one day asked him to take her to her grandmas house. So he drove across the state and took her across two more. It wasn’t her >>
darthbiscuit
>> grandma. And he never did anything with her. But he transported a minor over state lines with intent to harm, according to the judge.
darthbiscuit
>> So, essentially, he got convicted of trying to help somebody.
LoonyLuna11
Unpopular opinion: the amount of reported assaults that have been found to be fabrications is CRAZY small compared to the number of real 1/3
Riyakou
That is very true, but that doesn't mean the falsely accused do not deserve to be protected. Even one innocent person in prison is too much.
LoonyLuna11
assaults. Imgur just loves hearing stories about false accusations because it makes all the men feel better. "See? Women are liars!" An 2/3
LoonyLuna11
extremely small percentage of people would be willing to go through the traumatic experience of pressing charges/going to court for nothing.
TheSuperJay
That's what kills me - so many of these boys genuinely believe that women *want* that kind of attention, *want* that "rape victim" label.
boatymcboatfaceplant
As a man - thank you for piling "all the men" together and stating what I apparently think? By your logic the death penalty is fine 1/2
boatymcboatfaceplant
because the number wrongfully executed is CRAZY small compared to those who deserve it. Nice - until it's your brother. 2/2
LoonyLuna11
I actually don't believe in the death penalty. Also, my brother has been raised to treat women with actual respect, not the 1/2
LoonyLuna11
condescending "niceness" some men think count as respect.
FilYouWithMe
I've been on both ends of the spectrum. When I was a child, a teenage girl molested me while her parents & my parents were drinking. I told-
FilYouWithMe
My mother, and nothing ever came of it, aside from my parents telling them they can never come back again... But I've also been accused of/2
FilYouWithMe
"Brow beating" a girl who was my same age, because she was afraid to admit to her Catholic parents that she was sexually active. I chose /3
FilYouWithMe
Sit down with her parents, and talk it all out.. But they said the only way I could see their daughter is to go to a religious therapist /4
jesmonster
Outing another person as a sexual assault victim is a violation of their right to decide how to live their damn life. Not a hero.
YOURSTUPIDITYISRAPINGME
What? Are you retarded?
FilYouWithMe
About my 'deviant' ways. I said no, they told me never to see her again, she dropped out of college a year later and has 3 kids now. So yeah
willdbeast
It's a sad sad situation where "we should give people fair trial" is an unpopular opinion to hold
shirestyle
And it's getting more and more absurd
LionHeart31337
So unpopular that this same exact post has hit the front page 60 times this week?
PikaBooISeeYou
I don't think it is an unpopular opinion. It is just that the crazies who don't get so much coverage. I believe most people are sane.
willdbeast
I really hope you're right
DrKriegersClone
It's ok to be unwilling to get into a dangerously private situation with someone who has half a dozen accusations against him but they're 1/
DrKriegersClone
2/ not the kind of thing for which it's possible to overcome the reasonable doubt standard to convict in court. Social interaction doesn't
DrKriegersClone
3/ have to follow presumption of innocence.
ButterfaceTaintClown
People are also innocent of defamation until proven guilty. So there's that.
willdbeast
Yeah I completely agree that these things are hard to prove and everything should be done to make it possible but that doesn't mean that 1/2
willdbeast
people should have their lives destroyed over an accusation before they've even faced trial.
ButterfaceTaintClown
Defamation would be remarkably easy and profitable for Weinstein to achieve if true. Why wouldn't he clear his name? I would in his position
UWantSumFuk
There wouldn't be any defamation if the media didn't plaster names all over everything as soon as someone is accused
ButterfaceTaintClown
Defamation suits aren't dependent on whether the media has reported it or not. But, as it happens, these women have made public (1
ButterfaceTaintClown
Statements, making it even easier to sue for defamation. Given that Weinstein's accusers are affluent, it should be easy for (2
ButterfaceTaintClown
Weinstein to instruct a law firm to act on his behalf, clear his name, recover legal fees from his persecutors, and pay them a fee on top (3
TheSuperJay
You wan't an actually unpopular opinion, on this site? Here: the fear over false rape accusations is largely unfounded.
TheSuperJay
Here's another: As a man, I've never been afraid of being accused of rape or assault.
Flyndaran
You can be unafraid of sharks while one's biting you. Fear is not reality.
TheSuperJay
And another: If you really do live in fear of false rape accusations, you're the one who is doing something wrong.
doesntsharefood
I think you misunderstand the concept of a “false” accusation.
fandsor
Thank you for some sanity. I've been cringing at comments that say, "Don't bother dating anymore. You'll get accused of something."
TheSuperJay
Same here. It's weird how many guys on this site really *want* to be afraid of women, and have no qualms about advertising that fact.
TheSuperJay
Me, I have this crazy idea that people being held accountable for their behavior is a good thing, and I'm glad to see more ppl speaking out.
flapperfemmefatale
All I can think is "Well since you seem to have so much trouble with the concept, I'm glad you're removing yourself"
fandsor
One can only hope.
paganfears
Unpopular opinion: imagine being a victim, spending years of your life knowing you can’t speak out. I think that would be more annoying
fremiumplayer
Just remember that men are the real victims of sexual violence here.
paganfears
You’re going to have to explain yourself a little further
jesmonster
The topic of sexual assualt almost always turns into "but what about the poor men having their lives ruined." It undermines the actual
jesmonster
epidemic of sexual assault against women.
fremiumplayer
Right on.
CardboardStomach
It's not like we can't be concerned about more than one thing. Support for men is often misinterpreted as undermining women
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
IT was put to me best like this. These allegations are aimed at CRITICIZING how some guys act...No charges being filed; just discussion.
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
If we, as men, can't deal with the criticism, then that's our problem. Especially in this Aziz case.
CardboardStomach
I mean, until it's you that's getting criticized and possibly losing your job/reputation. That's the fear here, not general criticism
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
I’d never put myself in that position to begin with. I don’t force myself into women and shove my fingers down their throats in first dates
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
People are acting like not being called out for sexual misconduct is some complex riddle. It’s really not...
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
Tip 1: don’t shove your fingers down the throat of a woman you met THAT NIGHT.
flamingflamingo
In a lot of these cases investigation is impractical or impossible. Someone speaks out, then what? What do you want? Once the media covers>
flamingflamingo
it, people will pass their opinions. Some side with the accuser, some side with the accused. You can't stop people having or expressing>
flamingflamingo
their takes. Some people relate to either from personal experience, some are just loud. If the media DOESN'T cover it, then these cases see>
flamingflamingo
no momentum. The only reason this is popular now is because the media is finally listening. There is no winning this for anyone.
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
Except the fact that sexual misconduct and sexual assault are under as fine a conversational microscope as they have EVER been.
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
But sure...no winners...
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
Maybe to have a discussion about things...Did that thought really never cross your mind? That TALKING can sometimes resolve issues.
flamingflamingo
I'm not sure what your point was. How does talking resolve getting molested?
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
Because talking CAN dissuade behavior in people who might not see the error of specific behaviors...
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
By your logic, we shouldn't coach children on ethics because it's "just talking" and won't stop any from being shitheads...
flamingflamingo
That's a strawman if I ever saw one.
knightswhosayekkiekkiekkiPTANGzoomboingznourrigmNI
And the idea that discussion of these topics helps nothing is what? Wise and sage?