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chukyrlaw
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I remember reading how a lot of people did not believe (and some still don't) that a genocide was happening in Germany during world war II and I look at what's happening in Gaza and I often talk to people who either blame it completely on the people who live there or say "I'm sure Israel is only doing what it needs to do" or state they don't trust the source of the information, this is why things like this happen even in a connected world where we can get information almost instantaneously
rainbowsandunicorns575
Israelis giving the world the very worst of humanity and spectacularly proud of their depravity.
MrPoodle
I wish upon Israel and its people everything they have done and wish upon Gaza and aid workers.
jwillywill
nothingtosee1006
A whole hell of a lot of people on here that I’d love try to see justify this. Not a single peep. They all Acting like they don’t see it. All the “free thinking” self-appointed intellectuals. the “both-sides-are-wrong” crowd as if labeling freedom fighters as terrorists is brand new turf that they just unlocked with their superior intellect. You know what, I never f**king see them turn up for these posts though…hmmmmm
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
We are a ways past the point in history that future kids will be referring to when they say "But if they knew, why didn't someone stop them THEN??"
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LionelOu
According to your article he was suspended in October. According to his post on twitter, he went to Gaza in November. Easily found by following the account shown in the article. https://x.com/BenNephrology/status/1821199685325090894
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whitebbwolf
yeah but atm, I am inclined to severely doubt there is NOTHING to this story about how the IDF treats Palestinian medical personnel
sitenickname
FSOB is spreading made-up unsubstantiated lies about Dr Ben Thompson who was indeed suspended last October which is 10 months ago. He then volunteered in Gaza where he treated the doctor who was abused (it says so in the second video). Thompson travels to Gaza twice a year (since 2013) and has a charity called, Keys of Health
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sitenickname
Another commenter here is spreading made-up unsubstantiated lies about Dr Ben Thompson who was indeed suspended last October which is 10 months ago. He then volunteered in Gaza where he treated the doctor who was abused (it says so in the second video). Thompson travels to Gaza twice a year (since 2013) and has a charity called, Keys of Health
jrmco1
If someone shares this kind of information and then are attacked personally, instead of the information presented, it pretty much does more to validate the story than anything else
thotterpop
Looks like it's been deleted... Good
sitenickname
Here are the original comments (username redacted to protect them)
sitenickname
And here's the info on his suspension (punished for trying to correct lies being spread by the governments of Israel and yes, the US President as well as all the pro-Israel shill groups): https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/ontario-doctors-disciplined-over-israel-gaza-protests-1.6666287?ot=AjaxLayout
walnutbreath
Name and shame so that we know who to mute.
sitenickname
A user who tried a few weeks ago to imply I was antisemitic because I suggested the Jewish Chronicle was maybe not a trustworthy source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Chronicle#Criticism
then muted me and has since made several other ridiculous claims. Sadly, I used to admire them and upvote them all the time. =(
TrustMeImADog
It appears Dr Thompson has some serious bias that is relevant to his claims: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/doctor-doxed-suspended-palestinian-posts-1.7001887
sitenickname
What bias are you trying to highlight here?
TrustMeImADog
He requires a standard of proof he does not deliver. It's really quite obvious.
sitenickname
I don't think it is obvious. You are talking in riddles probably because you are some shade of Islamophobic and think it's okay to lie about 40 beheaded babies and make up rape claims in order to disparage and dehumanize a people to make it easier to genocide them. But you don't want to just come out and say all that because you know it doesn't go over well.
TrustMeImADog
Or I'm a refugee from an Arab country and don't need you to white-knight me, especially if it involves slandering people to dehumanise them, which is exactly what YOU just did. Maybe have a think about that.
enotrevo
The bias of being a humanitarian?
TrustMeImADog
I would remind you that, as of 10 October 2023, Israel had yet to respond militarily to the terrorist attack of 7 October. Dr Thompsons voice was one of many, including on this site, who were quick to respond to that atrocity with excuses for it. That's not the mark of a humanitarian. It's the mark of someone who views certain lives as inherently worth less than others, on the basis of race. We call them racists.
enotrevo
You're the racist. He knew what was coming. So did a lot of people. And they got called terrorist sympathizers and doxed by the likes of you. The last 10 months have proven them right.
sitenickname
Oh the irony of you saying that Dr Thompson is someone who views certain lives as inherently worth less than others on a post about Israel viewing certain lives as inherently worth less than theirs. You are here excusing stripping someone of their clothes and dignity and forcing them to pee and poop themselves and stand in it while treating patients. You are incapable of seeing Palestinians as humans. That's your problem. We call you a bigot
TrustMeImADog
Anyone can say they met someone who made unverified claims. It's hardly evidence. Which Dr Thompson knows only too well, because he said "there's no evidence of rape" regarding Oct 7th. Of course, that evidence later came, and he didn't recant his statement. He just makes videos like this, where I am invited to simply accept his narrative, without a shred of evidence, or else be labelled a racist by the internet's most stupid denizens.
Neednoggle
As a Canadian, I've been disgusted with my government's response to this genocide. Get your shit together, Trudeau.
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SayRamrod
are conservatives anti-ccp? *stephen harper plays guns n roses on the keyboard"
QuintinParry
As an American here first time? Is utterly appalling with the West is allowing Israel to do. I wouldn't vote for the Democrats over the issue if I didn't know that the Republicans would probably not only allow the current situation to continue but would also offer to help if they ever came to power.
laserfork
Prime Minister PP will offer Canadian troops to stand guard at Israel's concentration camps. At least the NDP have a good position -- stop giving Israel arms, support Palestinian nationhood. Canadians are too right-wing to ever vote them in though, seemingly.
Welley
Quebec was orange once, not sure if it'll happen again.
higginsangela4
Canada is sending Israel arms through the US: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/15/how-canadas-off-the-record-arms-exports-end-up-in-israel
higginsangela4
Just to be clear, I (a Canadian) am against sending them arms, it is a genocide and the West is both standing by and watching and complicit
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
The problem is people still think of the Libs as "left-wing" when they really aren't. They are for anything that's free - protecting against discrimination and being pro-choice and all that. But they're not left for anything that costs money. Which means they aren't left. But people still think they are. If you add together the votes that Libs and NDP get, it's always far more than half, 60% or more. But the left vote gets split and then the Cons walk away with unearned power.
CerisCinderwolf
As a fellow Canuck, I agree but also need to point out that this is essentially a global problem. Virtually no nation has taken action and that needs to change ASAP.
saucenes5
hey now, at least the US stopped selling them weapons because of this so we're at least doing something. We haven't sold weapons to them for (checks news)... oh what the fuck 😣https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/blinken-approves-sale-israel-military-equipment-worth-over-20-bln-2024-08-13/
Neednoggle
Oh yeah I agree, but I don't think that really flies as any kind of excuse. Every world leader who's not at least tried to do the right thing here has blood on their hands.
DerivativeWhy
All of the western countries send countless billions to Israel so then use a portion of that money to "pay" for political leaders. Over 95% of the United States elected officials are owned by Israel via AIPAC and other Israeli lobbies. This is from the county level to the president, and includes both parties. We need to remove and dismantle everything Israel, and that includes every single supporter of these terrorists.
sitenickname
Humiliation and trauma. I've been reading lately about Israeli attitudes (even before Oct 7) and it's really ugly :(
AVaguelyFamiliarUsername
Israel does it everywhere. Last week tonight, West Bank: https://youtu.be/NqK3_n6pdDY?feature=shared
Awmph
when religion and government are mixed and the religion says you're God's most specialest it's a short, short walk to evil
WoodyGoodman
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/palestinians-engaged-in-nonviolent-protest-israel-responded-with-a-massacre/
sitenickname
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-761490
DocBeeblebrox
Kreviathan
Israel has had a HUGE Zionism extremist problem for decades. This series of interviews was about 6 years ago, their attitudes towards not just Palestinians but anyone not Zionist is very familiar with 1930s Nazi Germany. https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4?si=1h5-_TgY8zJ9hfNQ
SatanicSpirals
Zionism is genocide. Full stop. I'm so tired of seeing zionist churches. Attended a BLM/stop the violence protest only to find out it was being run by colonists. What. The. Fuck.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Yeah, Israel has had generations of propaganda lead by the terrorists who committed mass terrorist atrocities that then got cushy government positions after Britain was like "screw it, they're gonna keep bombing us if we don't give up, so we're done."
Israel is, in the literal sense of the phrase, a terrorist-nation. It was fought for by terrorists, founded by terrorists, and run by terrorists.
So, the propaganda runs DEEP. Every atrocity the IDF commits... is intended and purposeful.
woodworkerf
Israel has been doing this for 70 years! All the while cozying up to USA and sending billions to USA politicians.
iggylights
It's almost like Israel is a way to launder money for the military industrial complex. Pump billions into aid and weapons and receive some of those back in millions of sketchy AIPAC campaign donations. Win win for evil
Deonan
Genuine question, they get aid? So where does all the money come from for the bribes?
BubblesTheFish
US gives money to israel, israel gives money to specific politicians. it is a money laundering thing.
casualgenderquestion2718
It’s colonial production circles, so back in the day you would have, say, Britain sending money and guns out to Jamaica, they would use that to grow, harvest, etc. and send that back to Britain to be processed, then the finished tobacco product would be shipped back to the colony (occasionally). In a sense, it’s largely passing the same dollar back and forth from colony to crown, crown to colony, rinse and repeat. Except now it’s done with missiles and corpses and the like.
kojenk
A charity in Canada has been sanctioned for using aid donations to Israel for arms and military funding, Israel is sueing Canada for it.
KuldFyt
Well, if the US politicians take the money directly from the US budget, they get in trouble. If it goes through Israel, it mitigates the appearance of corruption.
VanJackBurace
it's more the us sends weapons to israel, then the us have to make new weapons to replace the old stuff we send in "aid", this weapons factory can be in this politician's district, thus allowing them to say they made jobs.
It's why the US military budget is so bloated. making planes the airforce doesn't want as the parts are made in 100+ different factories.
Deonan
Ahhhh, thank you!
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
As an addition to what KuldFyt said, this is also how republican tax-breaks, or subsidies, for the rich work. Gotten funnel it through the business when you're embezzling from tax-payers.
Umkontodon
Israel should face the same fate as Nazi Germany in the WW2, that's the only way for peace
pritolus
Israel should be dismantled entirely and the land returned to the legitimate nations it was stolen from.
There will never be peace as long as the illegal colony that is Israel is still around
trapdoorogre
somethingstupidandclever
Many of the Palestinians who were forced into gaza had their homes of many generations stolen from them and given to what would become the Israeli population. Sometimes forced out at gunpoint.
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
dismantling the far right gov and putting on trials the bastard? fuck yeah. bombing the shit out of cities? not so much
Margrave9000
Dump all ethnic Israelis back to their home country as well. That's how Eastern European countries finally got rid of German colonists.
German communities outside Germany proper were rightly viewed as a huge risk to national security.
hotaru251
the bombing bit would encourage the citizens to step up & remove the leadership though...
FrancsTireur
I dunno, I'm kinda fine with both.
Yes there are israelis who oppose the war, just as there were Germans who opposed the nazis, sadly we live in the real world where you can't take a poll of a location before you bomb it and just as with Germany I'm afraid the burden of consequence falls upon the nation as a whole.
If anything the fact that Germans both good and bad had to walk through the ashes of what their actions or inactions had brought upon them made them all the more determined to 1/
FrancsTireur
Never allow such men anywhere near power ever again. Much the same happened in my dad's homeland of Japan following the atom bombs, a nation that had thousands of years of militarism in its veins, for whom military power was a key source of national pride and identity.
All of that went away, and we've never lost a soldier in action on foreign soil ever since. You can cure a lot with brutality, but it has to be swift, overwhelming and comprehensive, otherwise don't bother doing it at all. 2
Dustorn
You realize that is LITERALLY the justification Israel gives for what they're doing to Gaza, right?
Umkontodon
Doesn't israel claim they have the most moral army in the world, well, let's treat them with the same morality they are treating the Palestinians
RuBisCO1
No let's not stup to their level.
itinerati
Sounds like this logic justifies everything Israel is doing in Gaza as well. A portion of the Palestinian population has done terrible things, so everyone is now paying the price.
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
my thought exactly
Umkontodon
What terrible things that portion of the Palestinians did? Resisting an occupier is human right, and resistance outside the romanticized image in movies is ugly and messy. Don't let the israeli propaganda brainwash you into thinking the resistance is terrorism
RuBisCO1
I am sorry if it was just shooting at soldiers I could understand, but shooting civilians, suicide bombings, etc. Collective punishment is not a moral solution, two separate functional states at peace is a moral solution, heck, one state with palestinians holding the voting majority is also a moral solution, but genocide, even of the oppressors, is not, otherwise you are saying its OK to murder children for who their parents are.
FrancsTireur
Israel is the invader, it's that simple; any measures taken by the Palestinians to reclaim their homeland which has been illegally seized by foreign conquerors is entirely justified.
It's unedifying to the modern mind to conceive of such unwavering brutal resolve but that's because none of us have faced that situation before, we live in a part of the world where the prospect of conquest is laughable.
But to my grandad, conquest was very much a reality and our people (the French) did 1/
RuBisCO1
Are you an American but not a Native America? Then by your logic can't the Native Americans do what ever they want to you to reclaim their homeland which has been illegally seized by you, a foreign conquorer?
FrancsTireur
Everything they could to resist the invader. Very few resistance targets were "morally clean" many frenchmen and women were caught in the crossfire, some by accident, some because they were collaborators; all were necessary casualitys of war. 2
SlightlyRelatedToThePost
What the fuck.
ElusiveThing
Bombing it would be illegal. Why do that when there are extremely simple peaceful and legal methods available?
FrancsTireur
Such as?, appeals to their logic, compassion, reason, humanity, self preservation and the moral and legal structure of the world have all fallen on deaf ears.
What incentive is there for them to change their minds if no one stands up to them?.
First they must be made to know the horror of war and then maybe they might be open to other arguments.
I see no one objecting to this method when it comes to Russia.
ElusiveThing
The US could just notify they'll cut off all loan guarantees and aid. That would do it instantly.
Russia isn't an obedient client state, so the economic measures have so far failed. I still advocate for diplomatic measures there too.
donorkort
The Hamas supporter calling for the genocide of Israelis?
FrancsTireur
Hey look it's my favourite zionist.
Genocide is up to them, just as it was up to Japan and Germany in WW2, just as its up to Russia now.
The bloodshed can stop as soon as the butcher stops killing the oppressed people's.
The invader doesn't get to complain about the measures taken by the invaded to resist them, or do you feel sympathy for Russia right now?, do you look at German cities and feel sympathy for them in 1945?.
I look at them and see an unfortunate conclusion to their own choices.
donorkort
The irony is completely lost on you, huh? The whole 'conflating the population with the rulers' being the *literal reasoning* Netanyahu is using, and you, being an actual Hamas supporter, parroting that exact same rhetoric? You're not looking for peace, you're looking for a genocide - only you're looking to reverse the current participants. And to answer your (hopefully rhetorical?) question about Germany and Russia, and Gaza for that matter: yes, I do feel bad for the civilians. You don't?
Fishkeeper
I dunno, any solution that involves bombing kids seems like the sort of thing we should fight tooth and nail to avoid.
FrancsTireur
I'm a firm believer in reaping what you sow; Israel is the invader, they are a largely foreign force occupying a sovereign nation oppressing the native population.
Israel often calls this a war, and I've often argued it isn't because to be a war, you have to have two sides fighting not one side killing indiscriminately.
If we were to take them at their word and consider it a war then suddenly what you find is that israels acts are still illegal as they are violations of the Hague and Geneva 1/
FrancsTireur
Conventions regarding the conduct of hostilities, as well as the UN genocide conventions, and the actions of the Palestinians are entirely justified because it's their country.
Britain and America didn't have the luxury of avoiding civilian casualties anymore than Ukraine does; civilians die in war, the guilty die along with the innocent and you try to makesure the equation is weighted toward the guilty but it's never without cost.
Every palestinian city is in ruins, their entire population 2/
Fishkeeper
The children didn't choose to start a genocide, and don't deserve to be slaughtered because of what some of their parents did.
ThaEnder
Now replace German with Palestinian and Nazi with Hamas and see if you still feel the same way. If you do then you support Israel's actions.
xizar
are hamas rounding up palestinian jews, evicting them from their homes to ghettos, shoving them into camps before murdering them?
RuBisCO1
I'm pretty sure they have killed Israel civilians on sight and had it as part of their charter up until a few years ago to exterminate jews.
override367
So you want to blow up cities of a nuclear power? Okay psychopath
override367
I'm sure the ashes of the millions of dead in the aftermath will be very happy you applied justice