Have you read the bible? God should love this guy. Also, they believe they can do whatever they want, so long as they have enough time to pray for forgiveness before the end.
Nothing like using their own holy book against them:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" Matthew 7:21-23
I genuinely believe that it stems from rich and powerful people being earnest in their Christianity and now are fundamentally at odds with a religion that says its a sin to be rich and powerful. They need an outgroup of sinners to be intrinsically worse than them, and grow extreme in their hatred to over compensate the piety they lack. Ie: they know they're bad Christians, but can justify it all if they're warriors against the unchristian.
Colbert is such a good example of a good person, who represents and embodies his religious views with empathy. He'd probably be a good person without his religion, but it's still nice to see him living his beliefs in kindness.
For Catholics, most such people would go to Purgatory, but that would still require genuine contrition and remorse. They can't just say sorry, not mean it, and still be absolved.
I know for what I'll define as 'true' catholics, what you say is correct, the problem is that there are so many 'in name only' catholics, who've at most skimmed, or selectively learned the Bible, that think it's true, don't forget, through the churchs history, they used to sell absolution, the more wealth, gold/land, the better the route to absolution/heaven.
Isn't it funny how he never does. Millions killed by Nazis; nothing. Millions more killed by Stalin; crickets. Millions killed...but you get the idea. The gawd of the old testament clearly approves of the killers' actions.
Theres so much apologizism around the genocides it becomes a farce how its explained the most power and knowledgeable being that created everything is utterly powerless in these situations. If its by choice it makes it even worse.
A Holocaust survivor passed away, went to heaven, and told God a Holocaust joke. God said it wasn't funny. The survivor replied, "I guess you had to be there."
My take on a soul being “judged” is that the soul does the judging itself. God only provides the mirror. Showing the soul how much evil and damage it caused, because no one is ever perfect.
These “Christians” who are loud and proud but actually behave shitty……will their soul be able to reconcile their behavior with how “good” they thought they were? It’s easy to give lip service to being unworthy, it’s a lot harder to really acknowledge that.
Since it's Christianity, the most moral of all religions, as long as he accepted Jesus Christ as his saviour, he'll be forgiven and go to heaven, eventually.
Now if he had been the nicest person in the world, but an atheist, that's a straight ticket to hell.
The most famous parable Jesus told is about the righteousness of a man who was the 'wrong' religion. How the fuck does that jive with "If you're not the right religion, you go to Hell even if you're a good person"?
Yeah sure if you make up 10,000 different denominations, but the 5 or 6 evangelical sects are like 85% of Christians. Guess who is calling for lgbt people to be murdered while claiming they will go to heaven? Hint: its most Christians.
340million people in USA with 285million evangelicals? That's 83.8%. I'll just state that Vatican city has more Catholics than evangelicals. Those extra evangelicals that are not in Vatican city? They are in america. Copy and paste for every single country with a ~1% evangelicals population, the other 12.1% are in america.
The funny part of this is that I bet if you heard someone say "85% of all Muslims are intolerant bigoted Salafi fundamentalists", you'd call them racist.
The whole “accepting Jesus as your personal savior so you have a get out of jail free card” concept is an evangelical thing. There’s a reason evangelicals and MAGA go hand in hand. They’re shit people who would be the first to crucify Jesus if he was around today. As a Lutheran we view Jesus as an example to take action to help those in need. Our church works globally to combat homelessness and hunger, support women and the LGBTQ community, etc. MAGA tried to shut down our fundraising.
It was leaned on heavily in global adoption, it sucked in all the pagan leaders who knew they had blood on their hands. It was used as one of the key selling points, so while 'original' scriptures may not refer to it, ultimate forgiveness of all your earthly sins is definitely part of the deal to most of those in Europe and therefore US even if not leaned on as heavily any more in some of those countries.
MAGA legit called LSS fundraising (Lutheran Social Services) “money laundering”, because they can’t fathom a group raising money and actually doing something good with it. Especially if the money is going to all the people MAGA hates.
Any good scholar of religion would tell you that belief in a Jesus alone isn't a get out of jail free card and that to follow you have to repent from sinful behaviors. American Evangelicalism is a cult of ignorance where the blinder your faith; the higher your virtue. To the American Evangelical, abject heresy can make you a living saint so long as it comes from a deep enough belief that it's somewhere in the Bible.
Well said. I’ve gone to church pretty much my whole life and I have much more in common with atheists and agnostics than MAGA evangelicals. Having compassion and empathy makes you a good person, sitting in a church pew doesn’t, especially if you use your religion as an excuse to bully and marginalize people (or vote for the people who do).
"Any good scholar of Religion" is like "Any good scholar of YouTube Star Wars resynchronizations". I don't give a shit what "good scholars of Religion" say. I'm only concerned of what prominent preachers and their followers say. Because it's all made up bullshit anyways. What matters is the shit people are trying to force on the world.
Dude, you don't have to believe in religion to understand that it has shaped human history and continues to shape geopolitics. If you don't see how that's worthy of scholarship than you are embodying the ignorance you're ascribing to religious people.
What shapes the world and politics is not the studied opinion of scholars of how a certain scripture is interpreted in its original context. What shapes politics is what the masses believe their religion to be. If millions of american evangelicals believe that Israel ethnically cleansing and annexing all of Palestine will call down Jesus for the kingdom of heaven, "well actually, that is not what scholars say the text says" is fucking inconsequential.>
SlyMrFox
Have you read the bible? God should love this guy. Also, they believe they can do whatever they want, so long as they have enough time to pray for forgiveness before the end.
16KTS
God is unpleasant with him.
sbro11
well, that goes for pretty much all of them.
bytesmythe
Nothing like using their own holy book against them:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"
Matthew 7:21-23
getadogupya
The special hell...
RenaissanceFaireMan
sevenfingerman
I am a firm believer that the whole “prolife” movement is nothing more than a Trojan horse to allow “Christian’s” justify unchristian Bo
junkgoof
It’s about removing women’s rights, just like all the other cults and right wing movements.
sevenfingerman
Behavior *
RufusPimperton
I genuinely believe that it stems from rich and powerful people being earnest in their Christianity and now are fundamentally at odds with a religion that says its a sin to be rich and powerful. They need an outgroup of sinners to be intrinsically worse than them, and grow extreme in their hatred to over compensate the piety they lack. Ie: they know they're bad Christians, but can justify it all if they're warriors against the unchristian.
rihani3
The paradox of religion: Moral guidelines for the people too stupid to understand morality, even under the threat of eternal suffering...
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
cmsport2
Colbert is such a good example of a good person, who represents and embodies his religious views with empathy. He'd probably be a good person without his religion, but it's still nice to see him living his beliefs in kindness.
Hovencl00f
There have been zero photos and videos of Trump visiting any church for a religious cenemony,
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KaijuIsekai
I forgot about this guy! (I blocked Shorts on YT) He made good content.
Higure
That isn't a backfire, it is the entire point of the project.
usingYourMomAsAHat
Yup, we're just fucking terrible
thechelonianshelmet
Cathoilic, 'Yeah but, I went to confession, & said my Hail Marys, oh & I totally repented on my death bed, so I'm all good now, right?'
cmsport2
For Catholics, most such people would go to Purgatory, but that would still require genuine contrition and remorse. They can't just say sorry, not mean it, and still be absolved.
thechelonianshelmet
I know for what I'll define as 'true' catholics, what you say is correct, the problem is that there are so many 'in name only' catholics, who've at most skimmed, or selectively learned the Bible, that think it's true, don't forget, through the churchs history, they used to sell absolution, the more wealth, gold/land, the better the route to absolution/heaven.
Subsound
If God was unhappy with things, he could come down and do something about his worshippers.
prfesser
Isn't it funny how he never does. Millions killed by Nazis; nothing. Millions more killed by Stalin; crickets. Millions killed...but you get the idea. The gawd of the old testament clearly approves of the killers' actions.
Subsound
Theres so much apologizism around the genocides it becomes a farce how its explained the most power and knowledgeable being that created everything is utterly powerless in these situations. If its by choice it makes it even worse.
Illithidbane
A Holocaust survivor passed away, went to heaven, and told God a Holocaust joke. God said it wasn't funny. The survivor replied, "I guess you had to be there."
Thornaxe
My take on a soul being “judged” is that the soul does the judging itself. God only provides the mirror. Showing the soul how much evil and damage it caused, because no one is ever perfect.
These “Christians” who are loud and proud but actually behave shitty……will their soul be able to reconcile their behavior with how “good” they thought they were? It’s easy to give lip service to being unworthy, it’s a lot harder to really acknowledge that.
boognish115
A lot of awful people like the way they look in the mirror.
Thornaxe
Generally because they’ve convinced themselves they’re the victim. Or are somehow in the right.
boognish115
It’s just a matter of perspective then.
mercyPandaRunner
Since it's Christianity, the most moral of all religions, as long as he accepted Jesus Christ as his saviour, he'll be forgiven and go to heaven, eventually.
Now if he had been the nicest person in the world, but an atheist, that's a straight ticket to hell.
KillingTlme
Basically, the exact rules you would write if you wanted to create a religion to steal money from the most people you could.
LychFinderGeneral
"Depart from me. I never knew you."
mercyPandaRunner
That's one verse of the bible. If you haven't noticed yet, the text of the bible and christian religion are two separate things.
RoutemasterFlash
I don't think that belief is common to all denominations, or even most of them.
homoerection
I believe it is.
LuminoZero
It's not.
The most famous parable Jesus told is about the righteousness of a man who was the 'wrong' religion. How the fuck does that jive with "If you're not the right religion, you go to Hell even if you're a good person"?
thisisnotfineffs
Jesus said to follow the laws of moses, fuck Jesus
RoutemasterFlash
Don't cut yourself on that edge, bro.
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
Yeah sure if you make up 10,000 different denominations, but the 5 or 6 evangelical sects are like 85% of Christians. Guess who is calling for lgbt people to be murdered while claiming they will go to heaven? Hint: its most Christians.
RoutemasterFlash
"According to a 2011 Pew Forum study on global Christianity, 285,480,000 or 13.1 percent of all Christians are Evangelicals."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
340million people in USA with 285million evangelicals? That's 83.8%. I'll just state that Vatican city has more Catholics than evangelicals. Those extra evangelicals that are not in Vatican city? They are in america. Copy and paste for every single country with a ~1% evangelicals population, the other 12.1% are in america.
RoutemasterFlash
Would is shock you to learn there are more countries than just the USA? The text I quoted even says "globally." Meaning "in the world."
There are about 80 million Evangelicals in the US.
RoutemasterFlash
The funny part of this is that I bet if you heard someone say "85% of all Muslims are intolerant bigoted Salafi fundamentalists", you'd call them racist.
keys79
The whole “accepting Jesus as your personal savior so you have a get out of jail free card” concept is an evangelical thing. There’s a reason evangelicals and MAGA go hand in hand. They’re shit people who would be the first to crucify Jesus if he was around today. As a Lutheran we view Jesus as an example to take action to help those in need. Our church works globally to combat homelessness and hunger, support women and the LGBTQ community, etc. MAGA tried to shut down our fundraising.
jimmityjammity
It was leaned on heavily in global adoption, it sucked in all the pagan leaders who knew they had blood on their hands. It was used as one of the key selling points, so while 'original' scriptures may not refer to it, ultimate forgiveness of all your earthly sins is definitely part of the deal to most of those in Europe and therefore US even if not leaned on as heavily any more in some of those countries.
NostrilDamnUs
Raised Lutheran and always love seeing that it continues to be a branch (at least on the ELCA side) focused on being actual Christians
keys79
MAGA legit called LSS fundraising (Lutheran Social Services) “money laundering”, because they can’t fathom a group raising money and actually doing something good with it. Especially if the money is going to all the people MAGA hates.
RufusPimperton
Any good scholar of religion would tell you that belief in a Jesus alone isn't a get out of jail free card and that to follow you have to repent from sinful behaviors. American Evangelicalism is a cult of ignorance where the blinder your faith; the higher your virtue. To the American Evangelical, abject heresy can make you a living saint so long as it comes from a deep enough belief that it's somewhere in the Bible.
keys79
Well said. I’ve gone to church pretty much my whole life and I have much more in common with atheists and agnostics than MAGA evangelicals. Having compassion and empathy makes you a good person, sitting in a church pew doesn’t, especially if you use your religion as an excuse to bully and marginalize people (or vote for the people who do).
TanithRosenbaum
And the other way around, by claiming it's not in the Bible. Cf "toxic empathy", which is apparently a thing among American Evangelicals now.
mercyPandaRunner
"Any good scholar of Religion" is like "Any good scholar of YouTube Star Wars resynchronizations". I don't give a shit what "good scholars of Religion" say. I'm only concerned of what prominent preachers and their followers say. Because it's all made up bullshit anyways. What matters is the shit people are trying to force on the world.
RufusPimperton
Dude, you don't have to believe in religion to understand that it has shaped human history and continues to shape geopolitics. If you don't see how that's worthy of scholarship than you are embodying the ignorance you're ascribing to religious people.
mercyPandaRunner
You are missing the point royally here.
What shapes the world and politics is not the studied opinion of scholars of how a certain scripture is interpreted in its original context. What shapes politics is what the masses believe their religion to be. If millions of american evangelicals believe that Israel ethnically cleansing and annexing all of Palestine will call down Jesus for the kingdom of heaven, "well actually, that is not what scholars say the text says" is fucking inconsequential.>