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ViktorKovacs
YEA BUT BERNIE SOCIALISM BERNIE BAD - that guy's response, probably
naturevalleygranolacrumbs
The house and the Senate get reelected every 4 or 6 years. We screwed ourselves by not voting for reps we want.
Huor
"You want free or affordable shit? That's communist! Now shut up and pay for all my free healthcare and shit." -- Boomers
sh3nhu
Bernie Sanders' bill for free tuition costs $47 billion which is only 1.34% increase in spending for the federal government
humaneffigy
I'm never going to get over how people keep throwing the word socialism around like it has 5,000 different meanings.
retgarr
The military doesn't give you free college. It's compensation.
NatesSauceLab
M.Ed. Salary = 35K/Yr. Family of 5. Mortgage. Health Insurance. Social Security. Savings? Ha. I'm 42 and broke. Christmas hand-me-downs...
Cthulily
My friend has a M.Ed and he lives at home. I don't think he'll be able to move out.
Tassyr
And let's throw something else in here, folks. "Join the military lol!" Tried that. "You had heart surgery at 7?" "Yes." "Nope, see ya."
SomeGeographer
Thank you. I joined for the free health insurance because I kept getting denied. Military deemed me medically ineligible due to asthma..
capngoat
> “the government wants 65% of your money so that other people can also afford getting degrees, not just you.” … and that’s bad why?
capngoat
Is the US really that against anything that helps other people? Taxes are there to benefit people around you, the city and the country.
Kennoot
"We don't want a free education, we just want an afford--" "SEE THE THING ABOUT YER "FREE" COLLEGE IS--"
buckshank
This is the most intelligent post about the costs of college education that I have ever seen on this site. Bravo!
PatrikLilja
This isn't the first time it is posted on this site.
ThereAreBoobsInMyFavourites
My mom has been working the same job got almost 30 years now. We've had to move almost every decade (downgrading a lot) because living costs
ThereAreBoobsInMyFavourites
My tuition is too much even with my part time. I couldn't even get license because insurance was too much. Now my mom's started working OT
AnswerLady
Remember, too, that 45's "middle class" (in his tax cut bill) makes over $100k annually.
jimmythehat1
Show me where in Bernie's plan he wanted 65% of your income. If you're going to throw a fake number out there, at least make it believable.
jimmythehat1
Even if your free education landed you a job that set you up in the top 1% of Americans, it wouldn't have been a 65% tax.
WhoSaidYouCouldEatTheLastCookie
I've done 5yrs of higher education and now owe about £25k. I start a new job in Feb that pays £17k so I expect in 10yrs I'll be debt free
mwiili
What country is that in?
WhoSaidYouCouldEatTheLastCookie
Scotland
Huor
Top federal tax rate in krazy kommunist kanada is 33%. With that we get universal healthcare, subsidized tuition. US pays more to get less.
kt88shub
I try and try to show this to people and they don't get it. We're already paying semi-socialist rates lol. That's how screwed we are.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Conservatives have alt facts now, logic doesn't work on them.
Facepaints
Colleges are just corrupt money making machines now. The demand is too high so they can keep raising the cost of tuition thousands each year
WhiteNateDogg
Also, the accrediting system keeps competition down.
westboundbiker
The big problem is the govt backed loans, so they can just Jack up prices, and the govt just ups available loans. Then tuition goes up again
Huor
I sometimes wonder if the situation could be improved if fools would just stop paying such absurd sums for tuition.
5po0ky
Or the government regulate the amount public universities can raise tuitions a year. It's not the students fault good paying jobs require
5po0ky
Specialization
golansmash
Good news everyone in only 10 to 20 years all the baby boomers and a vast majority of the people in power will be dead
golansmash
Then we will have a huge shift in politics and the housing market will crash so bad that we can finally get one with a 30 year mortgage
LurKaiSen
Not only that, our grandparent's generation (I'm 28) is the wealthiest of any American generation in history. They refuse to put 1/2
LurKaiSen
money back into the local economies, which would fix MASSIVE amounts of problems, and instead blame our generation for everything. 2/3
LurKaiSen
There has been extensive research that proves it was their generation that screwed our country, economy and futures. 3/4
LurKaiSen
To be fair, my spite has made me stagnant. I can't get anywhere further in life without causing MORE harm to my family's well-being.
LoquaciousDude
How hard can it be to just give the education for free(taxes pay for it)? No, it wont mean 65% taxes, no fucking country has that. Com'n 1/
LoquaciousDude
step in to the modern world, it ain't all scary, most of Europe already has this, and it works.
YoloSwag4ever
Europe also has very hard entrance exams for specific degrees to keep demand low.
LoquaciousDude
Well, it's called higher education for a reason, if everyone gets highest education possible then a lot of people will be over qualified.
YoloSwag4ever
We don't have that here is my point.
LoquaciousDude
No, there you got people in debt who can't(some) get jobs and are still overqualified for their jobs - and you have a lot of people from 1/
NullSecc
Eat the baby boomers
LOLOLOOLOL
I told a nice old lady in church to her face "I'm not getting out of bed for $10 an hour" when she asked why I don't take any job.
waphles317
I'm getting $10/hr right now. After 7 years in the military. I'm going the work for experience while I go to school on the GI Bill. My (1)
LearnSomething
Ok, but to be fair, you're getting more than $10 an hour because the GI Bill is paying you COLA.
waphles317
BAH, not COLA, but you're right. I am getting $10 from that employer. Doesn't change the fact that $25 isn't enough money for me to get (1)
waphles317
up, cleaned up, dressed, drive across town, put up with a tyrant of a boss and drive back. A 5 hour shift is the minimum for me.
waphles317
boss has been trying to get me to come in and work for 2.5 hours and leave. I can't get her to understand that $25 a day isn't worth me (2)
waphles317
getting out of bed and going in.
Skaboofle
I do not pay 65% in taxes and I got a free education. I hate the fact that people exaggerate the amount of taxes you would actually pay.
Locolarue
Are there fuel taxes in your country?
Skaboofle
Yes.
Skaboofle
But as I don’t own a car, I only pay them through any services I use (logistics, transportation)
Locolarue
Yes, you do. You pay them for everything you buy that was moved. And everything that made that, that was moved, and so on.
Skaboofle
Like I said.
Skaboofle
Also, no toll roads, free healthcare etc.
5po0ky
Which is why the happiest people on Earth are found there
5NoteHalf
They exaggerate wildly because they have a vested interest in profiting off that money. "You'll pay 65% taxes!" "Oh! Better keep just 1/2
5NoteHalf
giving you 35% of my money, instead then." 2/2
Skaboofle
That’s how much I’m paying, with all those aforementioned benefits.
StonesOnTheHill
And then ten minutes later, Red ignored the argument, and replied with a quip about entitled millennials.
imguraptor64
Because reading comprehension is hard for boomers
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Conservatives in general nowadays, fake news and alt facts abound.
BlueElephant92
question: does college tuition includes housing or some living costs or do you have to pay for rent and food on top in US?
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BlueElephant92
oh jesus I am so happy that I was born in germany in this times. its not everything perfect, but Unis have no tuitons and public health 1/2
BlueElephant92
insurance is a blessing (I complained about paying 90 bucks a month for healthcare). 2/2
emkev
You have to pay for everything. You want to print off your assignment in the library? You'd better load that printer card up with cash, boi
BlueElephant92
yeah I need to pay for printing, too. but it doesn't seem that unfair when you live in a country without tuiton fees, and 5c per page is ok
ArmedandOverclocked
Tuition prices often quoted do include Room and Board and text books. It's a higher # so they use it to pad their argument.
ryunwould
That does occur in a VERY few instances. Otherwise, we pay for everything.
BlueElephant92
oh. I always thought the typical college dorms were included in the tuition everywhere.
ilovepeachesmorethanyou
Negative grasshopper, when I lived on campus I had to take out an extra loan to pay for housing and a meal plan.
BlueElephant92
well Im not from the US. I dont have to pay any tuition fees, only my living costs.
RobocatsBack
My university kicked students out over breaks too. So you either paid an extra 2k for spring break or went somewhere. Difficult with a job.
5po0ky
Which is why many low income students who earn academic scholarships still wind up dropping out since they can't afford living expenses
jackswift7
Yep, I could've had a full ride to almost any college with a 4.0 GPA. Had no money to pay ANY out of pocket costs though.
5po0ky
And this is the problem. We could be producing much more specialized talent than we currently are which only helps drive up Tax Revenue.
5po0ky
Plus it allows for better social mobility, the ol bootstraps mentality the right loves to talk about, but actually isn't a thing in the US
ydwyrd
The more I think about it, the more I realize how much of a bullet I dodged by not going to college.
Ginkawa
me too. this year my gross will be ~38k, and I can support my wife and build towards buying a house. 1yr of college 16 years ago.
ScrabtabularScruff
I dodged that bullet as well, but now I literally have to dodge bullets.
Angelbabysdaddy
I bothers me that trade schools are not pushed more as an option. I have an A&P license and have worked on airplanes for 18 years.
BennettWatkinsUSA
I'm attending community college, best decision I've made in my 19 years. All my high school friends went to FSU, USF and dissed my choice
5po0ky
Keep doing you bro, you'll be fine. No one checks where you spent your first two years, only where you graduated
5NoteHalf
This. And really, the thing is, an employer wants to know you have a "Degree." Period. If you're serious about learning, 1/2
5NoteHalf
you can do all the self-directed research you want. Buy 20 textbooks with the $ you're saving and fill your brain. The degree gets you a 2/3
BennettWatkinsUSA
Thanks guys, some of my textbooks are $120 but far better than the state University price butt rape
5NoteHalf
job. What you LEARN makes you valuable. After you get experience, you can keep climbing. 3/3
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FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
"Bernie wants 65% of your paycheck", my ass. Bernie wanted a *top tax rate* of 52% (it was 94% under Roosevelt). This would have only...
Rexey
umm.. i dont pay near that amout of tax here in norway >>
PiggyWobbles
"we can afford cutting taxes for rich people to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars, but you young kids want affordable education??? LAZY!"
mxjxs91
Yup, taxes weren't going to increase for anyone making under 250k/yr. Even then it wasn't a ridiculous increase either, people exaggerate.
mxjxs91
hotdropoclock
And we still have to calculate whether it's as bad as student loan debt, which i've heard is crushing and terrible.
lowetzark
If blue is right with 35k at 4%, 30k per year means 24.7k take home, and 383$/month in student loans. 2k a month take home becomes 1.6k,
lowetzark
and your income tax and student loan take almost exactly 33% of your earnings...
omh1
4% is a really good rate for a sdt. loan, they can be a lot worse than that, and the debt is fucking immortal, it never goes away until paid
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
applied to incomes over $10 million. The average person with an income under 75k would have paid 10-15%. This would have been sufficient ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
to finance both free college education and single payer Medicare for all. So go ahead and ask for free education. Don't let anyone tell ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
you that it takes backbreaking taxation. There are many EU countries with virtually free tuition, and none of them are communist hellholes.
thorkun
Here in Sweden in order to pay >50% taxes you need to literally be in the 1%. LITERALLY. This is why ignorant people like this enrages me.
5po0ky
It's the huge amount of ignorant Americans that but into whatever drivel Fox News sells them without prob an ounce of critical thought into
TanithRosenbaum
Wasn't there a fox news anchor who "taught" her children "the evils of taxation"?
5po0ky
The arguments they are parroting who are the problem. We need to do a better job educating our population so the GOP loses their base
ShaunDreclin
but socialism is bad you dirty commie etc etc
prettypunkrock
Since when is 30K a year a good wage?
krevtrocity
I make that and I don't have an education. And it certainly isn't enough to buy a shitty house or afford rent for a shit hole apartment
Xandraelle
30k is more than what 50% of employed Americans make so I guess it's a comparatively decent wage.
Slaveblade
Where I live I could easily live off that with very few problems if any.
LarryFine
1985
TheDaharMaster
When you live in the middle of fucking nowhere.
BlackHartMTB
Median annual income for males over 25 is $33000.
Urndy
Id be content with 30k
VeskaiTsumonit
When a lot of blue collar work barely scrapes 20K, 30K looks great.
MegHansureisshort
Hell yea it’s a good wage to someone with a bachelors, still making minimum wage. Expectations and results are fucked for this generation.
rottienmommaknw
Also depends where in the US you are as well.
TATERx
In my small town 30k a year is pretty decent money.
DarkwingDuc
In many rural areas of the US, $30K is still pretty good. In some places that's nearly double the average combined household income.
Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
D:
MissSpelledTattoo
1992
gopms
I am pretty sure there is a line in Roseanne where she mentions someone getting a good job paying $30,000 a year so.... yeah, 1992.
lowetzark
30k in 1992 has the same buying power as 52k now, in terms of straight-up goods and services. 52k is pretty good in most places.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
It looks even better when you don’t have to pay for housing or food.
GalaxyTheWolf
Are you kidding! 30k/year would get me a nice 3 br/2ba town house, a nice car, and i can have steak every night of i wanted. In ohio
LordCommanderTomSnow
There’s the rub.
TheBlueMuppet
Yeah, but like...Ohio, though.
Xandraelle
Yeah but then you have to live in Ohio
TATERx
We cant all live in California ,New York, Florida, etc someone has to fill in between lol.
GalaxyTheWolf
Shhh youll make the corn cry
IamnotSpartacuseither
Because that is nearly double minimum wage. Yes, 30K a year is not great, but a huge number of people in the US make less than that per year
SamArt53
You may be right, but people with college degrees in marketable fields make more.
AriBerri55
This ^^ my family survives off $18k/yr, used to be $15k. I briefly had a job with $34k and it felt like we were rich
robindawilliams
Even at 20% higher livingcosts, here I am in Canada making $17/hr (25k/yr) working at a restaurant wondering why I'm doing terrible. Crazy.
Xandraelle
about 30k is the median wage so if you make 30 your doing better than about 50% of Americans
kittywithagun22
Living outside Philly I rent a 2 bedroom apartment and pay 18k a year in rent. I have a 30k job and an ‘ology’ degree. 30k don’t get u much.
kittywithagun22
More to blues point, add 4K/year in student loans, and you get a family of 3 living on 8k/year that makes too much for any assistance.
vegeta420gokublazerbieber
I mske like 24.50 an hour and take home like 33 grand. I thik 30 grand is over double minimum wage or close to it.
LabyrinthCharm
I have a good paying job for my area and still make way less than 30K a year.
Lynexia
Wow minimum wage for my industry in Australia is 40k... But then the cost of living here is much higher too.
HadoukenHobbit
$40k AUD = roughly £0.78 GBP
basicwhitelich
I have an MS in bio and work at three different schools and make about 30k. I'm infinitely happier than when I was working retail though,
Monka42
I've got a 15k a year job, barely able to make rent and bills. I survive off of Campbell's creamy soups.
bestestfester
21k woop woop. Fuck the previous generation.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Gen X? They didn't make any of those decisions. The Boomers screwed them too.
straberrymilk
Yup, got my last paycheck of this year, made 18k -_-
thesmelge
My last job building receiver/transmitters for cloud storage that when finished cost thousands of pounds paid me $21,645 after tax per year.
thesmelge
That was with 12hr shifts and half of those shifts were overnight. Worked out at just above minimum wage for a fairly skilled job.
MightyTightyWhities
A nice job making 30k a year...? That’s a manager at Burger King...
Sloppydrunkcatlady
My mom made more money as a manager at Wendy's than as a starting teacher for about the first 5-6 years.
Fn0rd
Hahahahaha I’m in a middle management position in IT and make barely above that!
smurfster
Dang, I'm tier I support in telecom industry in TN making 32k. I guess I don't have much to look forward to..
IHateYouMyselfAndEveryone
I think GMs do better than 30k, actually. I get the point, obviously, just throwing some spice out.
PiggyWobbles
having worked at corporate I can tell you they get more than that. Managers for corp restaurants got 50-60k
BreadyStinellis
Yeah, i work 2 part time jobs, only 45hrs a week and make more than that. Any office job is much more than 30k a year.
BreadyStinellis
I guess I mean any office job IN MY AREA. obviously things differ from place to place. Any white collar job here starts around $15/hr.
CleverClint407
I worked in the financial aid dept at a university which required a bachelor's degree. I only made 26 grand.
BreadyStinellis
Yeesh. I'm glad I went to beauty school.
LibrarianCatLady
I'm a school teacher. Don't make much more than that.
prettypunkrock
It’s horribly sad that teachers are paid so poorly. Thanks for what you do.
one2dthree
Was scrolling to find this comment. Same
TribalRockGaming
Entry level construction makes more then that...
easysteezyweezy
Yeah honestly there is good paying work just have to get your fingernails dirty
Kjseek
Skilled labor is an underrated career
windowlol
Aye. Went to a trade scholl and now i make 40k+ after only 3 years in the field. Im 24
windowlol
No student debt :D
Syrmerlin
I pulled that down working overtime for near minimum wage. That person clearly has no concept of modern costs of living.
TannerHastings
Fuck I made 50K one year working at a resturant as a kitchen manager granted I was working 70 hours a week but still
Ginkawa
I really hope you weren't salary.....
TannerHastings
Yup
llamalibrarian
I'm working the highest paid job I've ever had and I'm not making 30K. I've also got a master's
easysteezyweezy
In what?
Ginkawa
thats downright nightmarish. I.... holy shit thats bad.
banur
Masters in what field and working as what?
llamalibrarian
MA in Philosophy & was working as an adjunct for years while debating going for my PhD. I work in a library now & going to school yet again
llamalibrarian
The library job is great and I love working towards gaining an MLS, but if my rent got raised or I had a medical emergency... shit.
WhiteNateDogg
He was mocking liberal arts degrees, something I agree we shouldn't pay for. STEM is a good investment.
omh1
You may want to take a look at the starting salaries for STEM grads, 30k is not beyond the realm of possibility, 50k would be amazing pay
giftkartoffel
I think STEM classes, specifically a computer science course, should be part of gen Ed, but you can't pick and choose what's subsidized
WhiteNateDogg
So we should, as a society, put equal effort into creating engineers/scientists as we do women's study graduates?
giftkartoffel
You've got to have people to study that. Encourages empathy & can forward social issues. STEM is already over burdened with students. Also
giftkartoffel
'liberal arts' encompasses way more than your stereotypical, fedora example. English is a liberal arts degree, gotta have ppl to write shit.
storebrandproductmascot
Also, there's no country in the entire damn world where someone making $30k has to pay remotely close to 65% of it in taxes.
Locolarue
We're talking with Bernie's programs that increase taxes.
lawlschool88
Even then there's no way you'd have a 65% effective tax rate on 30k of income
Locolarue
Not directly, probably not, but you'd get close directly, and with indirect taxes passed on to the consumer, I'd bet yes.
lawlschool88
Nope, just, nope. Please go do your homework on how taxes work.
merement
In the US, in 2016, with one dependent, out of 47,806 I paid in total (fed+state+ss+...) 8,657, which 18%. Yeah, the US is not that country
toimiski
Finland, Free Uni, your tax% would be 19 with US$30k wage...
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
Yeah but VAT, road taxes, tax taxes? Tax tax taxes? Banana tax?? I don't know all the names and I'm drunk but you know what I mean
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
Ok judging by the downvotes I'm guessing no one has been taught economics
storebrandproductmascot
Yeah, see that's pretty similar to what you'd pay in the U.S. with that income level, but we don't seem to get anything free.
toimiski
unless you're filthy rich :/
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storebrandproductmascot
Plus state and local income taxes.
spectheintro
You're forgetting payroll tax (SS and Medicare). That doubles the effective tax rate.
valkrez
Tbh I’d be ok with 30k at this point
krispibooga
Me too.
SugarDnD
I'd love that kind of income. I make the equivalent of 2500$/year after taxes here. Getting a full time job is fucking impossible.
ArrestedDevelopmentNarrator
I'm fully assuming you mean 25k otherwise you're a slave
SugarDnD
Nope, as said, getting full time work is impossible. I work part time and make 2500.
ArrestedDevelopmentNarrator
What city/area and what type of work are you doing?
SugarDnD
And no, I cannot afford rent and will be completely broke and on the street in 2 months.
bongles
It's not good.
valkrez
I know, but still gotta be better than $10 an hour
Ginkawa
for a much-larger-than-it-should-be portion of the country, it would be better than they have now.
iynque
I have my four-year degree, $66k in loan debt, and I make ~$25k/year before taxes. I would love that extra $5k/year. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
MatadoR32
That's how out of touch the guy is. $30k in any coastal state is basically minimum wage or you need a roommate to be able to get ahead.
BreadyStinellis
Any city really.
WhiteNateDogg
He's mocking liberal arts degrees.
MatadoR32
I'm well aware, but it's just more proof of his ignorance as "ology" degrees includes geology and biology (petrol and health industry).
giftkartoffel
What "ology" degrees are liberal arts? I'm coming up blank on that one.
MatadoR32
He's more than likely mocking sociology and psychology (even though Psy is a science degree), but Anthro falls under Lib Arts school.
ShinyGyarad0s
Min in florida is 8.05 which without taxes if you work 40 a week is only 15K a year
clucja1
He didn't say it's the actual minimum wage. Just how much you need to even survive
Aussietye
You can easily survive off of 15k a year.
ImProbablyJoking
University of the People. http://www.uopeople.edu/ Accredited in the US, tuition-free, pay for exams only, 4 year degree cost about $4k USD
opiboble
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ImmaculateDegenerate
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TinySatanicHamster
FUCKING DOTTY DOT DOT
TheRiffTheRaff
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Idfaptothat
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SnarkySophia
There are a number of these popping up. Really handy for the basics and there are a few specialized trying to get off the ground.
TNTROOTBEER
Dippin dot.
reddocs
It's nice how a little alternative let's you forget the big unbalanced injustices
lunicow
I think it's more a solution for now, rather than 'forgetting' the injustice, I can still fight the cause whilst getting a cheaper education
reddocs
I tell mayslef something similiar while procastinating
BeardedNodOfApproval
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ItGotBetta
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dovebair
REMEMBER THAT THEY JUST TOOK AWAY PROTECTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO GET SCAMMED BY FAKE SCHOOLS... YOU WILL NOT GET REIMBURSED BY THE GOVERNMENT
VowOfPoverty
Just did some looking. School looks like a profit center. Lots of donations, charges fees, pays staff well, pays teachers hardly. (more)
VowOfPoverty
Runs out of a shared PO box in CA so it can be "US based". No financial disclosures, no idea on graduation rates. Scam.
AlaSnackbar
Interesting.
ImProbablyJoking
Indeed.
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whatwhatinthe
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Zigor22
Fuck socialism. Want affordable college? Reduce professor income, get rid of mandatory bs classes, and get rid of fancy stuff. 1/
fe1od1or
Want affordable college? Stop throwing millions at sports teams. Educators need to be paid fairly and rewarded for good performance.
aninvisiblemaniac
a thousand times this
Zigor22
Also everyone seems to have forgotten inflation. EVERYTHING has gone up in price.
clucja1
Correct everything has gone up a lot. But our wages have only gone up a little. Read the article
Squirrelprophecies
“Adjusted for inflation”
causality
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the human who sees your application after the computer lets it through is gonna throw that right in the trash.
z3lfmoord
Yeah...most places realize online schools are a joke.
SettiBetti
Thank you
ImProbablyJoking
You're welcome.
iliketoanswerwithreactions
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PianoMan2112
Goddammit, you need to pass 2 Foundations courses first. I HATED EXPOSITORY WRITING CLASS!!!!
PianoMan2112
Who downvoted me - English majors?
aninvisiblemaniac
Will employers take your degree seriously?
pickleheadeddoughboy
No.
Alldrn
Yeah what this dude said. It’s the same in England with the open university. You may have a degree but you won’t get hired
Wishbone10
The sister school to Phoenix university
PatrikLilja
At my university we aren't required to have the newest edition of books. The second latest edition was as a free pdf on first google result.
FartSneezes
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MightyChlorians
Le dot
Aronos621
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emkev
Pay for your exams in iTunes gift cards!
Dinntwin
Work at a place that consolidate existing student loans, I can bet my left nut that school won't be supported for consolidation.
GoodEffectOnTarget
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skooksies
Hesitantly optimistic dot
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LetsFlamingle
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NewDadWhoDis
DOT DOT FLIPPITY DOT
SpiderBox
Dot and favorite
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222not4u
Detinitely going to look this up. Thanks for the link
ImProbablyJoking
No problem.
HannibalHoseth
Lol who the fucks going to hire someone in my generation with a ‘degree’ from something like this
Cthulily
I take online courses from the university of Buffalo. Right before this semester started, they reduced the cost by 40%.
Angelbabysdaddy
Couple years ago I looked at a Bach. of religious studies at Arizona state( I think that was it). 4 yrs./$80,000 for 100% online degree 1/2
Angelbabysdaddy
2/2 Worst part was I could not justify that money for something that was just my own interest. It's top 10 worst degrees for a job.
TanithRosenbaum
That's why it's so expensive. The only people who will take that course do it for fun and are either financially set or trust fund babies.
ImProbablyJoking
Ted Talk by Shari Reshef about UoPeople: https://www.ted.com/talks/shai_reshef_a_tuition_free_college_degree/up-next
o4kill
No ABET accredited engineering programs. @OP still preaches the truth
derrilickmyballs
This is nice to know after I’m already in debt.
ImProbablyJoking
Well, I mean, they have been around for a while now. But yeah, same boat.
Cthulily
Right?
diesoz
franzzegerman
Just come to germany. We'll welcome you and our universities are practically free, even for foreigners. There are also courses in english.
Angelbabysdaddy
What are the requirements for foreign students. Surely I can't just walk in and get free education.
franzzegerman
Basically you can.
ProphetChuck
My university just charges 500 EUR per semester for everyone. Some charge 0-1500 EUR. https://www.studis-online.de/StudInfo/Gebuehren/
ProphetChuck
The main requirement is to speak the language and getting a place.
ProphetChuck
Things may differ from university to university.
franzzegerman
You don't have to speak german to get in, but i'd recommend learning a bit just to get by better.
HPCmonkey
Be very careful about these. Research the individual program and who is teaching it.
theriogrande
Agreed. As well as understanding differences in regional and national accreditation.
1414145691
probably someone from China, outsourced lecturer jobs too
HPCmonkey
That's not really a necessary comment.
1414145691
Well it's probably true, if there is no tuition and the fees are so low, the only way someone can make a living teaching it is if their own>
1414145691
cost of living is very low... like somebody in China or India who has an internet connection andf could teach an online course
HPCmonkey
Federal grants, commercial charitable giving, licensing or using materials otherwise freely given.
ImProbablyJoking
Do you know something about this school in particular?
Nooneinfamous
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HPCmonkey
I provide similar advice to anybody going to schools claiming to be centered/based on a cause. Go into the endeavor with a skeptical mind.
ImProbablyJoking
Nothing wrong with being cautious.
MixxieMeese
AcidOPhilus
This. If you want resources, you can get them from sites like the MIT Opencourseware. Lecture notes, filmed lectures, problems all online.
BazingaSenpai
I took physics online and studied and learned everything from the MIT free videos. And I agree with the blue guy
AcidOPhilus
2/2 Of course this will not get you a degree, but there are universities that will let you take all the exams in one session.
Cthulily
Youtube also has classes from the top schools and other universities.
HPCmonkey
Also Quora, and not surprisingly youtube will host video lectures from many different colleges and educational channels.
AcidOPhilus
Yep! The internet has gotten a bad rep for being a timewaster, but if you use it for what it was meant to be, it is incredibly powerful.
HPCmonkey
The information is the same, whether or not you pay $30K for it.
Tryingtobehelpful
Yes but its.hard getting job interviews without the 30k piece of paper that said you did it.
SpeakerForTheUnLiving
College is for certification not education
Jusmar
"what's University of the People" -Hiring Managers
CrunchyOverCreamy
mosesfunk
I got a second degree in accounting online just so I could switch into the accounting field... I have never been asked about the school.
JayEnfield
You've met hiring managers that give a fuck about what school you went to?
lurtsman
Former hiring manager. Unless it was top 10, I didn't care. Rejected people with Masters. Honorable discharge = worth more than 4 BS/BA.
JayEnfield
Ah, I think that may be a bit more regional. Most other countries don't have quite the enlistment rate that USA does.
lurtsman
Yes. USA. Education correlates with success, but doesn't guarantee. Some of my best applicants were Marines.
twofishtails
Nearly always, yes.
kalsarikannit
My wife is one for a Fortune 10 company. For entry level, yes. For mid and upper, experience speaks louder than education.
CrunchyOverCreamy
Hiring Manager here. Yes. I’ll always be more interested in a candidate who went through a program that’s known to be challenging.
theotherpatrick
In a resume, I'd include a bullet point underneath explaining the implied ROI & risk calculations ... 1/2
theotherpatrick
What company wouldn't want a resourceful, calculated, and bottom-line focused individual? 2/2
JayEnfield
To be honest with you, I don't think I've ever been asked a single question about my degree or the schools I've obtained it from.
CrunchyOverCreamy
Depends on the level of the job. If it’s entry level, you can bet it’s been scoped already or you wouldn’t have landed the interview.
KanyeWesticularCancer
Username makes me suspicious
artbabe95
I have a short post on it. It's not super informative but has a little more on it. Definitely legit.
ImProbablyJoking
You could go look for your self...
pocketflan
Or can I?
IkarosArtorias
You can
thissitestealswhatcouldvebeenmyproductivity
That’s not how any of this works!
PianoMan2112
The .edu domain relieved my suspicions somewhat.
shakedownblues
At least until ISPs throttle access to it
shinyRK9
you should check out lemonparty.edu
HadMeSomeChickens
Who accredited them is important. https://blogcritics.org/university-of-the-people-is-accredited-just-not-as-you-might-think/
PokoOnoandtheJamJams
Accreditation is often nonsense. I know someone who managed accreditation program. SF Uni gamed that shit to hell and back successfully
MystiSaurusRex
Former admissions officer here - Can confirm. You want regional over national accreditation, even if you're just talking taking basics and >
MystiSaurusRex
... transferring. There's a good chance a regional university won't be able to take the credits because of different standards. I had to >
MystiSaurusRex
... deal with a lot of disappointed applicants because of this. Be careful out there, guys!
Squirrelprophecies
Article summary: distance learning school doesn’t use local accreditation agencies like real colleges, but a distance learning agency *gasp*
HadMeSomeChickens
Go to the accreditation organization's website and look at the trash they accredit. It's meaningless.
ImProbablyJoking
UoPeople is accredited by DEAC https://www.deac.org/ - Also the article you linked is nearly 4 years old.
barfpony
If you read the linked article, you'll find that the only thing that has changed is the name of the DEAC (from DETC).
barfpony
TL;DR version: regional accreditation is what carries weight in US higher ed, and UoPeople still doesn't have it. Caveat emptor.
ImProbablyJoking
University of Phoenix is accredited by The Higher Learning Commission, which is regional. University of Phoenix degrees carry little weight.
HadMeSomeChickens
Yes, DEAC accredits 18 higher ed programs in the US, including "hypnosis motivation institute" & "At home professionals". You showed me!
ImProbablyJoking
I’m not trying to “show you” anything. Just providing relevant information.
HadMeSomeChickens
Well, you only stated what the article did then. They are accredited, but by a shit organization that doesn't matter.
HadMeSomeChickens
Sauce: https://www.deac.org/Student-Center/Directory-Of-Accredited-Institutions.aspx
MostlyAngryButNiceAboutIt
y'all two citing sources like this making me wanna finish my homework. can we talk about student fees and sports next?
Cthulily
I've learned this the hard way.
TChallaVanDam
Story time?
Cthulily
Working on this in my other profile.
z3lfmoord
Story?
Cthulily
I'm a therapist and to get on the military insurance panel, I had to go to a CACREP school. I didn't. The insurance require a lot from me .
Cthulily
Working on it on my other name.
z3lfmoord
Excellent