Jun 18, 2016 6:55 AM
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sergeantapone
Tell this guy that ISIS isn't Islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vev-OzHQy94
Swifty4
This is such a dumb comparison
FreddyFish5
When you have Imams preaching western hate in western countries then it is not just a few. Then it is organised.
switters810
Yeah those westboro beheadings are really atrocious
parabolic000
They all draw from the same fucked up source material, they're all fucks.
JimNeverHasASecondCupOfCoffeeAtHome
Awful groups, but an awful comparison too. KKK & Westboro don't hold a candle to ISIS.
wotemer
If you can just pinpoint the aggressive, black and gayhating new Testament Verses to me.
Sefalim
It'd be unfair to cherry pick anything from the Old Testament wouldn't it?
CountSnarkula
Islamic Fundamentalism is nothing like Christian Fundamentalism. It supports terrorism and shari'ah law and millions practice it.
Neegrow
If you're killing in the name of your god, you're doing it wrong. Period/
awwwfuck
ehhhhh...i'm probably gonna be internet-flogged for this, and i'm not necessarily disagreeing 1/
but the kkk never actually conquered a geographic region before.
ashmenon
Wasn't that because KKK's focus was on the "enemy" inside? I.e. black people in the US?
EpyonZERO
Islamic fundamentalists do a great deal more harm than Christian fundamentalists though.
16745
Only in western civilisations. Christian terrorismus is quite a thing.
RayLynch
Islam is a religion. ISIS is a faction. Get it right dumbass.
gitguuud
Same thing with KKK and WBC. Which is the point of this.
tupactopus
True, but ISIS are the most devout followers of their religion. They are actually the "best" muslims in the world.
Speaking of dumbasses..........
Would you like to educate me on anything I said being incorrect?
bobdole12122
On everyone needs to stop. Islam is, if you study it, the most violent religion. Not saying all Muslims are violent, but at the core of the
..belief itself is a violent teaching. Many other religions (in fact almost all) aare not. But the Koran teaches murder and oppression....
And no true scholar of the book itself will tell you I'm wrong. Again, not saying every Muslim follows the violent doctrine, but it's there.
theaterofdreams
Fire and Brimestone Christian groups are the minority. In Islam, they're the majority.
HAHAHAHAHAH oh honey.
Rainman1344
Even those do not preach murder of non-believers , its simply two completely different things . killing people =/= preaching against sin
mildlyabusive
Not that simple. 1 example, a majority of Muslims share a literal interpretation of the Koran and believe gays deserve death. Separate that.
ularg
People are forgetting the Holy Crusades...
ingelri
Which happened 600 years ago. Six hundred. Meanwhile, in the present, 1/3 muslims support stoning homosexuals. Doesn't come from nowhere.
phobes
You do realize that the Crusades, however twisted they may have become, were caused by Muslim invasions into Christian lands?
Correction *Jewish Lands/ Roman Lands / Ammonite Lands / Zoroastrian Lands. Getting a bit silly now.
cleveranduniqueusername
I just wish we could separate parts of the westboro baptist church members from other parts of them.
USAFPancakes
But it's the intolerance only Islam's culture that they will never accept our way of life and only kill more people for being gay/different!
https://youtu.be/0OAnm0RpPkE
Watch this for only a little explanation on why they can't be here, or anywhere else but their desert
It is the whole reason that they, NOT isis, is that they are the ones being intolerant of Western culture and serve the public death penalty
To people only because they speak out against Islam, they are American, they are gay, or disagree with Islamic practices in any form
Wake up people! This is the reason mass immigration will never work with them, they simply cannot accept our culture and our way of life
674e031f7dbd1f14bdc9160468379d78e6fcb32c97b2e40fe00e35376336373
But they're not separate, the WBC and KKK are direct results of extreme Christian ideology, same with ISIS and Islam.
And the difference between Christianity and Islam right now is the percentage of people in the faith who sympathize with extremists
TheMonsterWithinYou
Pretty sure majority of Muslims are not sympathizing with any extremists. Isis has attacked and killed more Muslims than anyone else
MyPalmsSpaghettiKneesWeakArmsSpaghettiTheresVomitOnMySpaghetti
The real difference between Christianity and Islam in this context is that the Islamic terrorist groups are killing more of their own 1/
(I.e Muslims) while the Christian terrorist groups around the globe are killing more people of other religions. Feel free to research. 2/2
nomad546
IS is less than 100000 people out of 1.7 billion Muslims. If there were a significant number of sympathizers, you'd know about it.
overboardAnt
They've been asked about it already. The majority thinks apostates, those who leave Islam, should be killed, as well as homosexuals. Get it?
fdgftajhgdajgjgfajkahg
Not all Muslims support Isis, but a vast, VAST majority believe in the death of gays and the covering of women.
eat9bagsofdicks
Except all of Islam preaches some pretty nasty stuff....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czBiWm3ljv0
dachichi
there is no such thing as moderate islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhpRlkrMWy8
I haven't seen that video, but I can assure you, compared to the middle east, malaysia's Islam is VERY moderate.
Morrigi
Compared to Western liberal democracies it's still full of hateful bigotry. It is not acceptable to imprison gay people because they are gay
What would you define as moderate, then?
Accepting equal rights for women, homosexuals, and non-Muslims.
Sure, there are movements to try and make it more fundamentalist, but the majority population are fine with it as is.
but in Malaysia homosexuality is still outlawed with a prison 20 year sentence, so yeah it is moderate compared to the death sentence.
True, but that prison sentence is rarely enforced. The notable case I've heard of was largely politically motivated.
even thought Malaysia is classed as a "Islamic state" the leading political party represents non-muslims followed by socialist parties.
Quarantine000
Agreed, but only a handful of Christians believe we should stone gays, over a third of Muslims believe the same, even non-ISIS Muslims.
Sources, people.
Bro, it takes a ten second Google search. You're a big boy, do it yourself. Don't use my lack of sources as an excuse to ignore facts.
You made an aspersion, dude. Back it up.
Here's an example - over a third of professional tennis players eat grapefruit before going to bed.
frogger44
making their lives any better. (2/2)
Nah, a lot of those Christians would rather go through legal ways to discriminate against LGBTQA+ and "others". Not killing, but not (1/2)
oldtimer16
Islam is violent. Read the quran.
Kompi
No it isn't. Read the Quran. Understand it's actual meaning, context and get yourself a reputable trabslation/guide on youtube to understand
DeltaBane
"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help"
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Yes it is lol, I think it's hilariously ironic that you're telling someone to get an accurate translation because when you can read MSA
It becomes painfully obvious that the religion itself is incredibly violent and disturbing
If you follow the Quran the way the text tells you to, you will be considered a religious extremist. It's really that simple
Yep, so is the bible.
Islam is considerably more violent.
Stop pretending that the two religions are comparable. Islam is uniquely violent and fraudulent.
IronicUsername
Christianity is violent. Read the Bible. How are people still making your stupid argument?
Why do you assume im a christian? Every religion is violent because all have been written by violent men. It's time for us to stop religions
Christianity had a major reform that both splintered it and removed it from government. Islam has done no such thing, and needs to.
NW6GOONER
It may be but at least jesus preached love to people muhammad didt do that do well.
DroolingHomer
we get that there's psychos of all religions. fact is, quaran tells it's followers to convert unbelievers by the sword. Bible does not
It is against Islam to force someone into the religion. Period. It's clearly written in the Quran several places.
You mean the beginning? The part where Muhammad was not a powerful, warmongering, terrorist?
Or the later part (the one you're supposed to follow) where you either pay a 90% tax or die for not converting?
Aquick20dollars
Jizya tax to be exact. The usual rejoinder is that Muslims have to pay the Zakat tax. Jizya is a much higher % though
Mazzix
It is against Islam to force someone into the religion.
ionfuckwitchu
*it's against YOUR Islam. not Islam period.
It is against the religion. Some might be trying to force others into it, that doesn't mean that it is right. It is wrong.
Jor1994
Why don't you tell that to the governments that cover up muslim rape, sexual abuse of children, violence against jews etc.
igottheconch
Is this the same governments that covers up rape, child abuse and violence by senators, mps etc?
I'm referring to the UK and yes, that is bad, but it is equally bad if a muslim does it as well. it only makes the opinion of these 1/2
protected groups even worse 2/2
Obviously its bad if both groups do it. But implying its a Muslim problem rather than a problem across demographics is ludicrous
well considering i've not seen anything about politicians recently but have seen countless stories of mass sexual assault by migrants 1/2
i'd say it's pretty justified.
I'd suggest different news sources. There have been so many reports of covered up rape cases in recent years'
Anonawesome
Then you should be able to separate crazy fucks from sane gun owners. "Common sense"
ThisIsSteel
TIL there are people who think every gun owner is crazy. Wonder why I've never seen these people before..
byohzzrd
But here's the deal, that doesn't make for good TV and if it doesn't make you watch the news then it's not on TV.
Salsashark717
Last time i looked at my newsfeed it was all the "you can't blame ALL gun owners" people that support Trump and want all Muslims banned.
LordGeneralHammerSmash
Thomas pane in the ass I'll tell you
Paine
chargeling
I recognize that there is a difference. But if you show me one member of said groups, I wouldn't be able to classify them.
Darrions
The thing is that people don't want to have common sense with something they don't like or want to understand
Dumb. Nobody's making the argument that all gun owners are crazy fucks.
Bullshit, of course they are. Many are politicians.
JesusMowsMyLawn
Plenty of people make that argument. "Bitter clingers" - remember that comment by someone who can't even say the word "terrorism"?
LivingDecomposition
The only reason it's hard for me is because every gun-enthusiast I know is an unpleasant person by coincidence .-.
That's not sarcasm btw. I do know it's a coincidence; there are a lot of assholes around here.
[deleted]
The product of one's environment.
Santak1ng
Yeah cause "sanity" is forever. No "sane" gun owner could ever lose their job, become depressed and violent and go on a killing spree, right
johnxbear
That's why people keep suggestion some degree of gun control. Keep crazy fucks from being gun owners.
Atalung
the problem is, if someone wants to kill someone, they will probably violate any gun restrictions, so unless you plan on somehow 1/2
I mean unless you can cut off every penis and plug every vagina rapists are still going to rape. So why bother making laws regarding it.
you'e only making my point. We can ban murder and rape but unless we go to incredible, near impossible, lengths you can't 100% stop it
No your point was why should we regulate things at all since criminals will still do them which is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
managing to confiscate every gun and keep people from making them or importing them, it's pointless 2/2
TraceofSpades
And why we should obviously have some degree of Muslim control! Oh. Wait. Nope. My bad.
Ok . By that logic we should have some degree of christian control as well. Oh, wait. Nope my bad.
Totally. That's the point isn't it?
samjam10412
The republicans actually tried to push a bill to the floor that would require a 3 day vetting process for anyone on the terror watch list (1
KingNova
3 days was for an FBI investigation and it only was for people on the terror watch list. It was shit down because they thought this was 1/2
not enough time to find probable cause. 2/2 shot*
I'm not saying it's the best solution. My main point was that the media never shows legitimate efforts to compromise from the right.
But it got shot down by the dems for not being extensive enough. And now they're crying for exactly that. Freakin craziness... (2
scabab
uh, yeah, sounds like bullshit, i'm guessing it had a stupid clause or some piggybacked bullshit that made it inadmissible.
There always stupid clauses and ear marks. Wish more people knew about that though. And of course the media never mentions it.
I, too, want a source. The only similar bill I recall was shot down by republicans, not the other way around.
davehiny
There are four separate measures, 2 are GOP and 2 are Dem. All four are supposed to die in the senate. Nobody gets credit on this one.
Terminology
Source?
I should have done a bit more research before commenting, but here you go:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294">4499">http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499 ... http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate
JordanRapp
False equivalency.
NobodyThinksYoureFunny
I'm curious if you'd count something like the NLF of Tripura or the anti balaka or the LRA...
lotusgold733
OP intended a comparison, not an equivalency.
RoryEccles
How so?
The examples are extremists of two different religions. Explain?
redsalmon
I think he means that WBC doesn't publicly behead people and rape women. My take is that is only because of opportunity, not morality.
Coldshade
The posts points stands, regardless of people being offended. You still can seperate them.
SoapBatDerby
"Explain" @JordanRapp thinks that calling out the names of logical fallacies is the same as winning an argument.
derpaderps
2- I made that comment 11 days ago! Copy pasting my own comments starting now. This shall be a new thing
I really get sick of these because they're used in place of making a point. Can we make a bullshit term for that, too? ad fallaciam logicum?
AbsolutelyBarbaricSarcasticBear
Let's start with the KKK. There is no hint of white supremacy in the bible. They are as much a part of any Christian organization as the >>
LDS. Secondly, Westboro. They have less than 40 members, and basically universally disowned by all other Christians. The beliefs of >>
Neither the KKK or Westboro are representative of the bible, whereas ISIS has an accurate view of the Hadith and Quran.
devastatedcrisis
Did you ever read the Quran?
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
YEA THE BIBLE DEFINITELY DOESN'T ADDRESS HOMOSEXUALITY.....
Get out of here with your logic. Lets just compare the two anyways because lol relijun amirite?
AmorphousPorpous
But they don't have accurate views. They have been denounced by high ranking leaders in the faith for violating the religion
ThisIsFrigglish
There's literally not a scrap of white supremacy contained in the Bible, and the WBC is a single Kansas family's weird fundamentalist cult.
"There's literally not a scrap of white supremacy contained in the Bible" Hahahaha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BigPookie320038
That's really cringy.
NowDoThatVoodooThatYouDo
Jewish supremacy (or exceptionalism) if anything.
SAWhowhatnow
WBC may be singular in their tactics and actions, but they are not singular in their beliefs.
pickedarandomusrename
Perfect explanation
ChasinRain
Westboro isn't a cult, it's a form of radical Christianity, no different than radical Islam. They are taking the text literally.
heynongman4pres
What about the Hebrews as God's chosen ppl?
Acera
But in the OT there's plenty about killing non-believers.
originalWFHhipster
Thank you, someone said it.
pyr666
WBC isn't white supremacist though. phelps was actually a huge player in civil rights back in the day.
BjrnEddieAare
The only whites in the bible was Romans
Freytis
thank you. bless you.
Ksjohn
Also please don't blame kansas we just care about wheat, beautiful sunsets and chasing tornados.
thequicksilver
Go Gorillas, baby.
SuperDork42
also don't associate the westboro neighborhood with them, their compound is not in the neighborhood, they just stole the name.
Oh, don't even pretend that any of those is more important to a Kansan than basketball.
CliffWestern
The bible is filled with 'justified' genocides. A Christian calling Muslims violent is not only false it is arrogant and morally repulsive.
Um, all those genocides happened thousands of years ago. Christianity has evolved and it at least somewhat modern. Islam has not changed.
It sure appears that way when you get to exclude all of your violent hate groups but make sure your scape goat doesn't get to.
as someone that lives 2 blocks from the compound & went to school with some, unfortunately it's not just one family. Their ideas have spread
hockeyham
WBC attention-whores for publicity in order to piss people off and bankrolls their so-called church via lawsuits. Whole family is lawyers.
Zokathra
And there is (or was) more than 30k ISIS fighters who are just the tip of the iceberg of muslim fundamentalism.
Because 30k is indicative of the majority opinion of 1.7 billion people...
WBC has like 30(?) members who are so extremist that are willing to protest loudly. Those 30k ISIS guys would cut your throat.
Yavin1v
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism, plenty of it in modern times
Yeah. There's way more pages and references here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism
2bachata
WBC is in Orlando today to protest a few funerals. One sign says, "God sent the shooter." I'm surprised no town has beaten them up yet.
Lorenrox
People at my workplace said the saaaame thing :/
That's disturbing. :(
SneakZ
This is America. You can portray whatever you want. None cares about those asshats. If you ever see them as a source on something. Run lol
IAmDrBanner
Because that is what they want. Them sueing people is one of their income sources. They want two things: Attention and a reason to sue.
nummanumma
Sounds like Trump
HiMyNameIsKevinIHaveChangnesia
Would anyone make a big fuss if we just sent them all to those FEMA death camps that are supposed to be all over? I won't tell if you don't.
andrewtater
Yes, not because I like them. Their right to protest is as important to open democracy as your right to vote. Show the love they don't
One of the things I think it's hilarious about WBC is that, AFAIK, they never protested in "hick" or "ghetto" towns with their bullshit.
wrestlebjj
Because they're afraid of rednecks with guns and black people with their elevated debating skills.
children around as human meat shields. Bunch of bastards. (2/2)
With other towns, they might get a beating. With the "hick" or "ghetto" towns, they'll most likely get killed. But, they bring their (1/2)
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Wow, really.
Turborasher
Let's exam the KKK instead, hugely widespread in America. 6,000,000 members at their peak.
...and founded and run by the Democrat party.
Add the terror acts committed by America, your nation is just as bad. Stop invading countries, and they'll stop fighting back.
It's not hard, your just as bloodthirsty as the Muslims you seek to blame.
Retrikaethan
you sure about that? really really sure? cuz, there's some genuinely fucked up shit in the thing.
maniacalmacaroni
It's mostly just fucked up people cherry picking bits and pieces to justify what they already want to do anyway. More homophobic than racist
fluffybunnyfluff
Why would there be white supremacy in the Bible when practically no one in the Bible was white? Jesus was middle eastern
CFeels
Feel free to post an example.
BillyIsBest
Yeah dat shit is metal as fuck.
ISIS' brand of fundamentalist Islam, derived from the Salafi sect prominent in and exported by Saudi Arabia, cleaves hard to the martial >
qPRdxH4UXm36HS9rJgLA
But the saudis are our friends even if 15/19 were saudi. Lets go bomb iraq and iran some more!
origins of the faith, spread primarily by force on pagan tribes and composed as a whole-life doctrine of behavior. It's not ALL Islam, but
50 million Salafi Muslims approximately.
it's IN Islam, and reflections of it can be found in every Islamic nation's governance.
ISIS is the only Islamic state that throws gay men off buildings, but they're one of 12 Islamic states who execute homosexuals.
Much is made of ISIS' feared female moral police - but Saudi religious police beat women in the street with steel cables for showing ankle.
Felman
They might be extreme but the bible calls on the faithful to compel others to repentance before God returns and sends gays to hell for being
fabulous. There's a certain irony in that we stand up and defend gays but we don't think that maybe the bible is a bit fucked up on who gets
into hell and why. I mean, God flooded the entire planet, killing everything except what was on a boat. Not exactly in control of his anger.
I am pretty sure that the Old Testament is wildly renounced in this day and age, which is a plus for Christianity in my book. Moving on with
the times and all that. There is a lot of stupid shit in the bible and they acknowledge that.
BoboTheDivingMonkey
Consider this: God specifically tells Christians, "before you remove the speck from your brother's eye, remove the log from your own" and(1)
"love the Lord your God with all heart and love your neighbor as yourself." and "as much as it is up to you, live at peace with everyone"(2
Hullaballoonatic
There's plenty of racial superiority in it though
HankandPeggyHill
The entire sense of racial superiority is symbolically destroyed when the earthquake ripped the veil in half. That said the teachings of 1/2
St. Paul encourages slavery, homophobia, and sexism, so it still sucks.
chuckinnnpoppin
Yeah racial superiority of the mostly middle eastern peoples who wrote the various books (mainly Canaanites and ancient Palestinian,
heteroscedastic
Noah's son Ham saw Noah naked, therefore his descendants (eg africans) are cursed and serve the descendents of his brother Shem.
every biblical scholar will tell you that is a complete load.
Tell me what it's about if it's not racism. Maybe a more regional and immediate racism for the author, but it's got to be racism.
no. just no. the idea of 'race' was non-existent at the time. by the time it was written down, you had more codified ethnic groups, but(1
Hamites of N. Africa were still acceptable for the Semites (Descendants of Shem) to marry. It was all about who would receive God's (2)
makesense
But that doesn't stop people from quoting other parts of the Bible that are 'complete load'.
you misunderstand, the Ham being cursed part and Shem being raised up is scripturally accurate, the load is using it for justification (1)
for slavery/racism. the descendants of Shem are today what we call the Semites. God picked his chosen people from among them. The (2)
GNiko
There is, if you look in the right places. Like what the white supremacists are doing. It's all a matter of interpretation.
Can you cite an example?
merryphysics
Mark of Cain is one. Some people believe(d) that the the descendants of Cain, the first murderer, have dark skin to shame their ancestry.
DartTarget13
you realize they all are dark skinned jews in most of the bible?
Yes, but later people of European descent twisted the texts to justify slavery/racism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain It's actually a very interesting history.
hethrir
In the example you cite it says the belief started during the US slave trade, there is no biblical support for it being a racial mark.
Lucky24NA
Except that whole part where wb isn't murdering people...
usetheforce123
Yeah and the KKK never killed anyone. lol. Still beyond the point. Extremists are extremists no matter what colour you paint them.
KimJongPhill
keep talking like you know, John Snow.
mibango
And were moderate muslims dont Party in the streets after terrorist attacks
itisntisit
https://youtu.be/2Oy6DwHAi70
unscot
The KKK kills a lot of people.
DaveTheDank
So you're saying that if WBC killed people it would make all Christians bad, but because they don't all Christians are ok?
heyguysimtom
No you walnut. He's saying that the wbc and isis aren't comparable comparisons
In the context of this post that's effectively what he's saying.
judgemasterven
Sure they are. If you can exclude one radical part of one religion, why can't you do the same for another?
Because the comparison is laughable
The comparison isn't "laughable." The point isn't the extremity of the extreme parts of the group.
Phustercluck
And Christianity doesn't try to be government of their flock like Islam.
Um. You're joking, right? The only argument against gay people tends to come from christianity.
muerte175
Well...Yeah they do, and historically have.
TheFinalCountdown09
The KKK did...bigtime... I guess you people are too young to remember
They only killed about 3,000 people over the entire course of their existence. Islamists managed that in a single day.
Thule
KKK killed almost 3500 people in about 90 years. Islam got 3000 in one day.
Icantgetout
No.
somethingcreativeplease
He said west boro....? Not the KKK.
MalinorTheMagnificent
...and where we pretty much dismantled the KKK without being asked to. It's a toothless dragon.
blowmetwotimes
How many people have been killed directly by the big bad KKK? How many were killed by black on black crime in Chicago/New Orleans or elsewar
...and the part where neither of these groups exported their hate from the U.S. to other countries.
zpjon
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/scott-lively-anti-gay-law-uganda
allofthat
You've just described terrorism as exported hate. I like this.
...and the part where neither group demands that you join them or die.
...and the part where neither group runs whole countries of hatred and bigotry.
illegalacorn
Christianity has, though. Specifically from the U.S. to Africa.
References please....
Literally the entire nation state of Uganda
sergeantapone
Tell this guy that ISIS isn't Islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vev-OzHQy94
Swifty4
This is such a dumb comparison
FreddyFish5
When you have Imams preaching western hate in western countries then it is not just a few. Then it is organised.
switters810
Yeah those westboro beheadings are really atrocious
parabolic000
They all draw from the same fucked up source material, they're all fucks.
JimNeverHasASecondCupOfCoffeeAtHome
Awful groups, but an awful comparison too. KKK & Westboro don't hold a candle to ISIS.
wotemer
If you can just pinpoint the aggressive, black and gayhating new Testament Verses to me.
Sefalim
It'd be unfair to cherry pick anything from the Old Testament wouldn't it?
CountSnarkula
Islamic Fundamentalism is nothing like Christian Fundamentalism. It supports terrorism and shari'ah law and millions practice it.
Neegrow
If you're killing in the name of your god, you're doing it wrong. Period/
awwwfuck
ehhhhh...i'm probably gonna be internet-flogged for this, and i'm not necessarily disagreeing 1/
awwwfuck
but the kkk never actually conquered a geographic region before.
ashmenon
Wasn't that because KKK's focus was on the "enemy" inside? I.e. black people in the US?
EpyonZERO
Islamic fundamentalists do a great deal more harm than Christian fundamentalists though.
16745
Only in western civilisations. Christian terrorismus is quite a thing.
RayLynch
Islam is a religion. ISIS is a faction. Get it right dumbass.
gitguuud
Same thing with KKK and WBC. Which is the point of this.
tupactopus
True, but ISIS are the most devout followers of their religion. They are actually the "best" muslims in the world.
RayLynch
Speaking of dumbasses..........
tupactopus
Would you like to educate me on anything I said being incorrect?
bobdole12122
On everyone needs to stop. Islam is, if you study it, the most violent religion. Not saying all Muslims are violent, but at the core of the
bobdole12122
..belief itself is a violent teaching. Many other religions (in fact almost all) aare not. But the Koran teaches murder and oppression....
bobdole12122
And no true scholar of the book itself will tell you I'm wrong. Again, not saying every Muslim follows the violent doctrine, but it's there.
theaterofdreams
Fire and Brimestone Christian groups are the minority. In Islam, they're the majority.
ashmenon
HAHAHAHAHAH oh honey.
Rainman1344
Even those do not preach murder of non-believers , its simply two completely different things . killing people =/= preaching against sin
mildlyabusive
Not that simple. 1 example, a majority of Muslims share a literal interpretation of the Koran and believe gays deserve death. Separate that.
ularg
People are forgetting the Holy Crusades...
ingelri
Which happened 600 years ago. Six hundred. Meanwhile, in the present, 1/3 muslims support stoning homosexuals. Doesn't come from nowhere.
phobes
You do realize that the Crusades, however twisted they may have become, were caused by Muslim invasions into Christian lands?
Sefalim
Correction *Jewish Lands/ Roman Lands / Ammonite Lands / Zoroastrian Lands. Getting a bit silly now.
cleveranduniqueusername
I just wish we could separate parts of the westboro baptist church members from other parts of them.
USAFPancakes
But it's the intolerance only Islam's culture that they will never accept our way of life and only kill more people for being gay/different!
USAFPancakes
https://youtu.be/0OAnm0RpPkE
USAFPancakes
Watch this for only a little explanation on why they can't be here, or anywhere else but their desert
USAFPancakes
It is the whole reason that they, NOT isis, is that they are the ones being intolerant of Western culture and serve the public death penalty
USAFPancakes
To people only because they speak out against Islam, they are American, they are gay, or disagree with Islamic practices in any form
USAFPancakes
Wake up people! This is the reason mass immigration will never work with them, they simply cannot accept our culture and our way of life
674e031f7dbd1f14bdc9160468379d78e6fcb32c97b2e40fe00e35376336373
But they're not separate, the WBC and KKK are direct results of extreme Christian ideology, same with ISIS and Islam.
674e031f7dbd1f14bdc9160468379d78e6fcb32c97b2e40fe00e35376336373
And the difference between Christianity and Islam right now is the percentage of people in the faith who sympathize with extremists
TheMonsterWithinYou
Pretty sure majority of Muslims are not sympathizing with any extremists. Isis has attacked and killed more Muslims than anyone else
MyPalmsSpaghettiKneesWeakArmsSpaghettiTheresVomitOnMySpaghetti
The real difference between Christianity and Islam in this context is that the Islamic terrorist groups are killing more of their own 1/
MyPalmsSpaghettiKneesWeakArmsSpaghettiTheresVomitOnMySpaghetti
(I.e Muslims) while the Christian terrorist groups around the globe are killing more people of other religions. Feel free to research. 2/2
nomad546
IS is less than 100000 people out of 1.7 billion Muslims. If there were a significant number of sympathizers, you'd know about it.
overboardAnt
They've been asked about it already. The majority thinks apostates, those who leave Islam, should be killed, as well as homosexuals. Get it?
fdgftajhgdajgjgfajkahg
Not all Muslims support Isis, but a vast, VAST majority believe in the death of gays and the covering of women.
eat9bagsofdicks
Except all of Islam preaches some pretty nasty stuff....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czBiWm3ljv0
dachichi
there is no such thing as moderate islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhpRlkrMWy8
ashmenon
I haven't seen that video, but I can assure you, compared to the middle east, malaysia's Islam is VERY moderate.
Morrigi
Compared to Western liberal democracies it's still full of hateful bigotry. It is not acceptable to imprison gay people because they are gay
ashmenon
What would you define as moderate, then?
Morrigi
Accepting equal rights for women, homosexuals, and non-Muslims.
ashmenon
Sure, there are movements to try and make it more fundamentalist, but the majority population are fine with it as is.
dachichi
but in Malaysia homosexuality is still outlawed with a prison 20 year sentence, so yeah it is moderate compared to the death sentence.
ashmenon
True, but that prison sentence is rarely enforced. The notable case I've heard of was largely politically motivated.
dachichi
even thought Malaysia is classed as a "Islamic state" the leading political party represents non-muslims followed by socialist parties.
Quarantine000
Agreed, but only a handful of Christians believe we should stone gays, over a third of Muslims believe the same, even non-ISIS Muslims.
Sefalim
Sources, people.
Quarantine000
Bro, it takes a ten second Google search. You're a big boy, do it yourself. Don't use my lack of sources as an excuse to ignore facts.
Sefalim
You made an aspersion, dude. Back it up.
Sefalim
Here's an example - over a third of professional tennis players eat grapefruit before going to bed.
frogger44
making their lives any better. (2/2)
frogger44
Nah, a lot of those Christians would rather go through legal ways to discriminate against LGBTQA+ and "others". Not killing, but not (1/2)
oldtimer16
Islam is violent. Read the quran.
Kompi
No it isn't. Read the Quran. Understand it's actual meaning, context and get yourself a reputable trabslation/guide on youtube to understand
DeltaBane
"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help"
DeltaBane
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
DeltaBane
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
tupactopus
Yes it is lol, I think it's hilariously ironic that you're telling someone to get an accurate translation because when you can read MSA
tupactopus
It becomes painfully obvious that the religion itself is incredibly violent and disturbing
tupactopus
If you follow the Quran the way the text tells you to, you will be considered a religious extremist. It's really that simple
16745
Yep, so is the bible.
Morrigi
Islam is considerably more violent.
ingelri
Stop pretending that the two religions are comparable. Islam is uniquely violent and fraudulent.
IronicUsername
Christianity is violent. Read the Bible. How are people still making your stupid argument?
oldtimer16
Why do you assume im a christian? Every religion is violent because all have been written by violent men. It's time for us to stop religions
fdgftajhgdajgjgfajkahg
Christianity had a major reform that both splintered it and removed it from government. Islam has done no such thing, and needs to.
NW6GOONER
It may be but at least jesus preached love to people muhammad didt do that do well.
DroolingHomer
we get that there's psychos of all religions. fact is, quaran tells it's followers to convert unbelievers by the sword. Bible does not
Kompi
It is against Islam to force someone into the religion. Period. It's clearly written in the Quran several places.
tupactopus
You mean the beginning? The part where Muhammad was not a powerful, warmongering, terrorist?
tupactopus
Or the later part (the one you're supposed to follow) where you either pay a 90% tax or die for not converting?
Aquick20dollars
Jizya tax to be exact. The usual rejoinder is that Muslims have to pay the Zakat tax. Jizya is a much higher % though
Mazzix
It is against Islam to force someone into the religion.
ionfuckwitchu
*it's against YOUR Islam. not Islam period.
Mazzix
It is against the religion. Some might be trying to force others into it, that doesn't mean that it is right. It is wrong.
Jor1994
Why don't you tell that to the governments that cover up muslim rape, sexual abuse of children, violence against jews etc.
igottheconch
Is this the same governments that covers up rape, child abuse and violence by senators, mps etc?
Jor1994
I'm referring to the UK and yes, that is bad, but it is equally bad if a muslim does it as well. it only makes the opinion of these 1/2
Jor1994
protected groups even worse 2/2
igottheconch
Obviously its bad if both groups do it. But implying its a Muslim problem rather than a problem across demographics is ludicrous
Jor1994
well considering i've not seen anything about politicians recently but have seen countless stories of mass sexual assault by migrants 1/2
Jor1994
i'd say it's pretty justified.
igottheconch
I'd suggest different news sources. There have been so many reports of covered up rape cases in recent years'
Anonawesome
Then you should be able to separate crazy fucks from sane gun owners. "Common sense"
ThisIsSteel
TIL there are people who think every gun owner is crazy. Wonder why I've never seen these people before..
byohzzrd
But here's the deal, that doesn't make for good TV and if it doesn't make you watch the news then it's not on TV.
Salsashark717
Last time i looked at my newsfeed it was all the "you can't blame ALL gun owners" people that support Trump and want all Muslims banned.
LordGeneralHammerSmash
Thomas pane in the ass I'll tell you
LordGeneralHammerSmash
Paine
chargeling
I recognize that there is a difference. But if you show me one member of said groups, I wouldn't be able to classify them.
Darrions
The thing is that people don't want to have common sense with something they don't like or want to understand
IronicUsername
Dumb. Nobody's making the argument that all gun owners are crazy fucks.
Morrigi
Bullshit, of course they are. Many are politicians.
JesusMowsMyLawn
Plenty of people make that argument. "Bitter clingers" - remember that comment by someone who can't even say the word "terrorism"?
LivingDecomposition
The only reason it's hard for me is because every gun-enthusiast I know is an unpleasant person by coincidence .-.
LivingDecomposition
That's not sarcasm btw. I do know it's a coincidence; there are a lot of assholes around here.
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LivingDecomposition
The product of one's environment.
Santak1ng
Yeah cause "sanity" is forever. No "sane" gun owner could ever lose their job, become depressed and violent and go on a killing spree, right
johnxbear
That's why people keep suggestion some degree of gun control. Keep crazy fucks from being gun owners.
Atalung
the problem is, if someone wants to kill someone, they will probably violate any gun restrictions, so unless you plan on somehow 1/2
johnxbear
I mean unless you can cut off every penis and plug every vagina rapists are still going to rape. So why bother making laws regarding it.
Atalung
you'e only making my point. We can ban murder and rape but unless we go to incredible, near impossible, lengths you can't 100% stop it
johnxbear
No your point was why should we regulate things at all since criminals will still do them which is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
Atalung
managing to confiscate every gun and keep people from making them or importing them, it's pointless 2/2
TraceofSpades
And why we should obviously have some degree of Muslim control! Oh. Wait. Nope. My bad.
johnxbear
Ok . By that logic we should have some degree of christian control as well. Oh, wait. Nope my bad.
TraceofSpades
Totally. That's the point isn't it?
samjam10412
The republicans actually tried to push a bill to the floor that would require a 3 day vetting process for anyone on the terror watch list (1
KingNova
3 days was for an FBI investigation and it only was for people on the terror watch list. It was shit down because they thought this was 1/2
KingNova
not enough time to find probable cause. 2/2 shot*
samjam10412
I'm not saying it's the best solution. My main point was that the media never shows legitimate efforts to compromise from the right.
samjam10412
But it got shot down by the dems for not being extensive enough. And now they're crying for exactly that. Freakin craziness... (2
scabab
uh, yeah, sounds like bullshit, i'm guessing it had a stupid clause or some piggybacked bullshit that made it inadmissible.
samjam10412
There always stupid clauses and ear marks. Wish more people knew about that though. And of course the media never mentions it.
IronicUsername
I, too, want a source. The only similar bill I recall was shot down by republicans, not the other way around.
davehiny
There are four separate measures, 2 are GOP and 2 are Dem. All four are supposed to die in the senate. Nobody gets credit on this one.
Terminology
Source?
samjam10412
I should have done a bit more research before commenting, but here you go:
samjam10412
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294">4499">http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499 ... http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate
JordanRapp
False equivalency.
NobodyThinksYoureFunny
I'm curious if you'd count something like the NLF of Tripura or the anti balaka or the LRA...
lotusgold733
OP intended a comparison, not an equivalency.
RoryEccles
How so?
nomad546
The examples are extremists of two different religions. Explain?
redsalmon
I think he means that WBC doesn't publicly behead people and rape women. My take is that is only because of opportunity, not morality.
Coldshade
The posts points stands, regardless of people being offended. You still can seperate them.
SoapBatDerby
"Explain" @JordanRapp thinks that calling out the names of logical fallacies is the same as winning an argument.
derpaderps
2- I made that comment 11 days ago! Copy pasting my own comments starting now. This shall be a new thing
derpaderps
I really get sick of these because they're used in place of making a point. Can we make a bullshit term for that, too? ad fallaciam logicum?
AbsolutelyBarbaricSarcasticBear
Let's start with the KKK. There is no hint of white supremacy in the bible. They are as much a part of any Christian organization as the >>
AbsolutelyBarbaricSarcasticBear
LDS. Secondly, Westboro. They have less than 40 members, and basically universally disowned by all other Christians. The beliefs of >>
AbsolutelyBarbaricSarcasticBear
Neither the KKK or Westboro are representative of the bible, whereas ISIS has an accurate view of the Hadith and Quran.
devastatedcrisis
Did you ever read the Quran?
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
YEA THE BIBLE DEFINITELY DOESN'T ADDRESS HOMOSEXUALITY.....
Rainman1344
Get out of here with your logic. Lets just compare the two anyways because lol relijun amirite?
AmorphousPorpous
But they don't have accurate views. They have been denounced by high ranking leaders in the faith for violating the religion
ThisIsFrigglish
There's literally not a scrap of white supremacy contained in the Bible, and the WBC is a single Kansas family's weird fundamentalist cult.
SoapBatDerby
"There's literally not a scrap of white supremacy contained in the Bible" Hahahaha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BigPookie320038
That's really cringy.
NowDoThatVoodooThatYouDo
Jewish supremacy (or exceptionalism) if anything.
SAWhowhatnow
WBC may be singular in their tactics and actions, but they are not singular in their beliefs.
pickedarandomusrename
Perfect explanation
ChasinRain
Westboro isn't a cult, it's a form of radical Christianity, no different than radical Islam. They are taking the text literally.
heynongman4pres
What about the Hebrews as God's chosen ppl?
Acera
But in the OT there's plenty about killing non-believers.
originalWFHhipster
Thank you, someone said it.
pyr666
WBC isn't white supremacist though. phelps was actually a huge player in civil rights back in the day.
BjrnEddieAare
The only whites in the bible was Romans
Freytis
thank you. bless you.
Ksjohn
Also please don't blame kansas we just care about wheat, beautiful sunsets and chasing tornados.
thequicksilver
Go Gorillas, baby.
SuperDork42
also don't associate the westboro neighborhood with them, their compound is not in the neighborhood, they just stole the name.
NowDoThatVoodooThatYouDo
Oh, don't even pretend that any of those is more important to a Kansan than basketball.
CliffWestern
The bible is filled with 'justified' genocides. A Christian calling Muslims violent is not only false it is arrogant and morally repulsive.
JesusMowsMyLawn
Um, all those genocides happened thousands of years ago. Christianity has evolved and it at least somewhat modern. Islam has not changed.
CliffWestern
It sure appears that way when you get to exclude all of your violent hate groups but make sure your scape goat doesn't get to.
SuperDork42
as someone that lives 2 blocks from the compound & went to school with some, unfortunately it's not just one family. Their ideas have spread
hockeyham
WBC attention-whores for publicity in order to piss people off and bankrolls their so-called church via lawsuits. Whole family is lawyers.
Zokathra
And there is (or was) more than 30k ISIS fighters who are just the tip of the iceberg of muslim fundamentalism.
nomad546
Because 30k is indicative of the majority opinion of 1.7 billion people...
Zokathra
WBC has like 30(?) members who are so extremist that are willing to protest loudly. Those 30k ISIS guys would cut your throat.
Yavin1v
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism, plenty of it in modern times
Zokathra
Yeah. There's way more pages and references here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism
2bachata
WBC is in Orlando today to protest a few funerals. One sign says, "God sent the shooter." I'm surprised no town has beaten them up yet.
Lorenrox
People at my workplace said the saaaame thing :/
2bachata
That's disturbing. :(
SneakZ
This is America. You can portray whatever you want. None cares about those asshats. If you ever see them as a source on something. Run lol
IAmDrBanner
Because that is what they want. Them sueing people is one of their income sources. They want two things: Attention and a reason to sue.
nummanumma
Sounds like Trump
HiMyNameIsKevinIHaveChangnesia
Would anyone make a big fuss if we just sent them all to those FEMA death camps that are supposed to be all over? I won't tell if you don't.
andrewtater
Yes, not because I like them. Their right to protest is as important to open democracy as your right to vote. Show the love they don't
frogger44
One of the things I think it's hilarious about WBC is that, AFAIK, they never protested in "hick" or "ghetto" towns with their bullshit.
wrestlebjj
Because they're afraid of rednecks with guns and black people with their elevated debating skills.
frogger44
children around as human meat shields. Bunch of bastards. (2/2)
frogger44
With other towns, they might get a beating. With the "hick" or "ghetto" towns, they'll most likely get killed. But, they bring their (1/2)
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Wow, really.
Turborasher
Let's exam the KKK instead, hugely widespread in America. 6,000,000 members at their peak.
JesusMowsMyLawn
...and founded and run by the Democrat party.
Turborasher
Add the terror acts committed by America, your nation is just as bad. Stop invading countries, and they'll stop fighting back.
Turborasher
It's not hard, your just as bloodthirsty as the Muslims you seek to blame.
Retrikaethan
you sure about that? really really sure? cuz, there's some genuinely fucked up shit in the thing.
maniacalmacaroni
It's mostly just fucked up people cherry picking bits and pieces to justify what they already want to do anyway. More homophobic than racist
fluffybunnyfluff
Why would there be white supremacy in the Bible when practically no one in the Bible was white? Jesus was middle eastern
CFeels
Feel free to post an example.
BillyIsBest
Yeah dat shit is metal as fuck.
ThisIsFrigglish
ISIS' brand of fundamentalist Islam, derived from the Salafi sect prominent in and exported by Saudi Arabia, cleaves hard to the martial >
qPRdxH4UXm36HS9rJgLA
But the saudis are our friends even if 15/19 were saudi. Lets go bomb iraq and iran some more!
ThisIsFrigglish
origins of the faith, spread primarily by force on pagan tribes and composed as a whole-life doctrine of behavior. It's not ALL Islam, but
Turborasher
50 million Salafi Muslims approximately.
ThisIsFrigglish
it's IN Islam, and reflections of it can be found in every Islamic nation's governance.
ThisIsFrigglish
ISIS is the only Islamic state that throws gay men off buildings, but they're one of 12 Islamic states who execute homosexuals.
ThisIsFrigglish
Much is made of ISIS' feared female moral police - but Saudi religious police beat women in the street with steel cables for showing ankle.
Felman
They might be extreme but the bible calls on the faithful to compel others to repentance before God returns and sends gays to hell for being
Felman
fabulous. There's a certain irony in that we stand up and defend gays but we don't think that maybe the bible is a bit fucked up on who gets
Felman
into hell and why. I mean, God flooded the entire planet, killing everything except what was on a boat. Not exactly in control of his anger.
IAmDrBanner
I am pretty sure that the Old Testament is wildly renounced in this day and age, which is a plus for Christianity in my book. Moving on with
IAmDrBanner
the times and all that. There is a lot of stupid shit in the bible and they acknowledge that.
BoboTheDivingMonkey
Consider this: God specifically tells Christians, "before you remove the speck from your brother's eye, remove the log from your own" and(1)
BoboTheDivingMonkey
"love the Lord your God with all heart and love your neighbor as yourself." and "as much as it is up to you, live at peace with everyone"(2
Hullaballoonatic
There's plenty of racial superiority in it though
HankandPeggyHill
The entire sense of racial superiority is symbolically destroyed when the earthquake ripped the veil in half. That said the teachings of 1/2
HankandPeggyHill
St. Paul encourages slavery, homophobia, and sexism, so it still sucks.
chuckinnnpoppin
Yeah racial superiority of the mostly middle eastern peoples who wrote the various books (mainly Canaanites and ancient Palestinian,
heteroscedastic
Noah's son Ham saw Noah naked, therefore his descendants (eg africans) are cursed and serve the descendents of his brother Shem.
BoboTheDivingMonkey
every biblical scholar will tell you that is a complete load.
heteroscedastic
Tell me what it's about if it's not racism. Maybe a more regional and immediate racism for the author, but it's got to be racism.
BoboTheDivingMonkey
no. just no. the idea of 'race' was non-existent at the time. by the time it was written down, you had more codified ethnic groups, but(1
BoboTheDivingMonkey
Hamites of N. Africa were still acceptable for the Semites (Descendants of Shem) to marry. It was all about who would receive God's (2)
makesense
But that doesn't stop people from quoting other parts of the Bible that are 'complete load'.
BoboTheDivingMonkey
you misunderstand, the Ham being cursed part and Shem being raised up is scripturally accurate, the load is using it for justification (1)
BoboTheDivingMonkey
for slavery/racism. the descendants of Shem are today what we call the Semites. God picked his chosen people from among them. The (2)
GNiko
There is, if you look in the right places. Like what the white supremacists are doing. It's all a matter of interpretation.
CFeels
Can you cite an example?
merryphysics
Mark of Cain is one. Some people believe(d) that the the descendants of Cain, the first murderer, have dark skin to shame their ancestry.
DartTarget13
you realize they all are dark skinned jews in most of the bible?
merryphysics
Yes, but later people of European descent twisted the texts to justify slavery/racism.
merryphysics
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain It's actually a very interesting history.
hethrir
In the example you cite it says the belief started during the US slave trade, there is no biblical support for it being a racial mark.
Lucky24NA
Except that whole part where wb isn't murdering people...
usetheforce123
Yeah and the KKK never killed anyone. lol. Still beyond the point. Extremists are extremists no matter what colour you paint them.
KimJongPhill
keep talking like you know, John Snow.
mibango
And were moderate muslims dont Party in the streets after terrorist attacks
itisntisit
https://youtu.be/2Oy6DwHAi70
unscot
The KKK kills a lot of people.
DaveTheDank
So you're saying that if WBC killed people it would make all Christians bad, but because they don't all Christians are ok?
heyguysimtom
No you walnut. He's saying that the wbc and isis aren't comparable comparisons
DaveTheDank
In the context of this post that's effectively what he's saying.
judgemasterven
Sure they are. If you can exclude one radical part of one religion, why can't you do the same for another?
heyguysimtom
Because the comparison is laughable
judgemasterven
The comparison isn't "laughable." The point isn't the extremity of the extreme parts of the group.
Phustercluck
And Christianity doesn't try to be government of their flock like Islam.
judgemasterven
Um. You're joking, right? The only argument against gay people tends to come from christianity.
muerte175
Well...Yeah they do, and historically have.
TheFinalCountdown09
The KKK did...bigtime... I guess you people are too young to remember
Morrigi
They only killed about 3,000 people over the entire course of their existence. Islamists managed that in a single day.
Thule
KKK killed almost 3500 people in about 90 years. Islam got 3000 in one day.
Icantgetout
No.
somethingcreativeplease
He said west boro....? Not the KKK.
MalinorTheMagnificent
...and where we pretty much dismantled the KKK without being asked to. It's a toothless dragon.
blowmetwotimes
How many people have been killed directly by the big bad KKK? How many were killed by black on black crime in Chicago/New Orleans or elsewar
MalinorTheMagnificent
...and the part where neither of these groups exported their hate from the U.S. to other countries.
zpjon
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/scott-lively-anti-gay-law-uganda
allofthat
You've just described terrorism as exported hate. I like this.
MalinorTheMagnificent
...and the part where neither group demands that you join them or die.
MalinorTheMagnificent
...and the part where neither group runs whole countries of hatred and bigotry.
illegalacorn
Christianity has, though. Specifically from the U.S. to Africa.
MalinorTheMagnificent
References please....
illegalacorn
Literally the entire nation state of Uganda