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REMINGTON 870/MOSSBERG 500
These two shotguns are arguably the most popular 12 and 20 guage shotguns available to the American market. They have an effective range of 40m for most shots and can be effective with slugs as far out as 200m. Having been the bedrock of American sporting since the 50's, modifications are widely available. They will suit just about any purpose, from home defense to hunting.
$275 - $400
MOSIN NAGANT
The Mosin Nagant has been in production since 1891. Where there is armed conflict, there are Mosin Nagants. This rifle has seen combat from WW1 to war in Donbass and Aleppo. It is the ultimate beginners rifle.
It is a bolt action rifle with a 5 round internal non-detachable magazine chambered in 7.62x54mmR. With a few hundred rounds of practice, shooters can effectively engage man sized targets at 300m and area targets at 800m.
While it is not necessarily an effective weapon for hunting or self defense, there is no better rifle to learn the fundamentals of marksmanship on. Ammo is dirt cheap and the weapon is cheaper. An estimated 17.5 million have been made with about 1 million being imported to the United States in the last decade. In 2012 I purchased my piece for $95.
$100 - $300
GLOCK
The Glock is an Austrian made handgun that is the keystone of American Law Enforcement firearms. It is a short recoil "safe action" firearm with three independent safeties. It is a robust, safe, simple, and reliable handgun with consistent accuracy and operation. A shooter can become very proficient with this handgun in only a few hundred rounds. There are many models of the Glock available ranging from .380 to 10mm. The most common models are 9mm, .45, and .40.
$475 - $1200
SAVAGE ARMS .223
The Savage Arms .223 is the rifle to learn long range shooting on. I've seen too many shooters buy larger caliber rifles to learn but fail to learn to consistently shoot at distances past 500m due to the cost of ammo. Averaging at 23 cents a round, a shooter can get 1000 rounds of experience on this platform for around $200. The same would cost around $500 for .308 and just under $1000 for common hunting rounds like 7mm, 30-06, and .270.
I highly recommend A Vortex Deadhold II Scope and a Harris bipod as fantastic beginner equipment. ($250 - $350)
$400 - $500
(As a side note, the M&P .380 Bodyguard is great for those those with small hands. A great piece for teaching kids to shoot or individuals hesitant to shoot larger weapons.)
$300 - $500
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(EDIT: This is my own personal opinion and the first four firearms I personally owned after giving alot of thought to what would be the best for development of my skill, long term use, universal use, and most of all price. I see alot of beginners drop thousands on weapons when they dont even have basic marksmanship fundamentals. These four weapons are what I consider to be the cheapest route to the most complete collection.)
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Wrench86north
More more dammit
mustang2733
Mosin ammo USED to be cheap, but the surplus is running dry sadly.
ponaloughney
I have a wrist rocket
ARandomHelljumper
You better watch it.
SAH86
I got that savage but in .243, incidentally i ALSO have a Harris bipod
roonic86
No .22? Also have you actually ever fired a Moisan Nogant? Wouldn't exactly call the kick it gives new user friendly.
Dildobagginsaa
Yeah one of the first pieces i consistently used
Trevor57
Mosin is 7.62x54r
Dildobagginsaa
Ahh didnt catch that. Thanks
HIVpatientZero
Just get a 22lr anything, cheap ammo, low maintenance, accurate as hell. It's what every 10 year old from a rural area is raised on
WhoStoleMySweetroll
Love my sr22!
sailingthesoutherncross
I'm over 50. This was what I had as a kid. BTW I grew up on cattle ranches.
FredFredBurger
That and my trusty single shot 410!
WhiterunWarriorProject
I just killed a squirrel with a .22 air pump rifle, thought it was going to scare the fucker, but nope. squirrel mac and cheese that night
DJTrickyM
MOSIN NAGANT YYEEEEAAAHHH
ClickityDoucheBabaGanoosh
Cause 'merica
tooomanysteves
Which is best for school shootings?
Pandanyan
The how to be American starter pack?
SargnargThaHardgeHag
I love me some mosin http://m.imgur.com/rZgMa5y?r
Saldus
Beginners shouldn't shoot anything compact or subcompact especially in .380. It's a terrible round to learn on with a short barreled pistol
MasterOfThePoems
Glocks are terrible handguns and are being phased out of PD'S across much of the country. Unreliable, cheap poly garbage.
n0n53n53
I remember when the SKS and AK47 were under $500
Chimneyville7
I bought a Serbian model for $600. That was the lowest I've ever seen one for sale, personally.
n0n53n53
I almost bought an SKS for $250 once. There were a whole bunch at that price.
Techsteve
I bought my sks with a 42 round clip for under 450 dollars.
IGotNothin
You had me until the bodyguard. The new LCP II is cheaper and has a nicer trigger. Even still, you get my +1, good job.
Chimneyville7
I bought an original LCP about two weeks before the new version released. I felt like a chump, but I still am happy overall with it.
IGotNothin
The original isn't bad for what it's intended for either.
ChrisLucas1
I hear they are very good for the price.
avorius
Do I smell Cosmoline?
TheGreatAnhey
I want the pp7 from golden eye
corditedelite
Pass on the mosin for many reasons. Go straight to chinese sks
sgtriley25
I'd buy the Remington 870 over the Mossberg 500 any day.
chocolategorilla
y tho
Chimneyville7
I prefer the 500.
Dildobagginsaa
Me too
NopeStillDontCare
The 500 is lighter, handles dirt better and has dual extractors on the bolt, vs Remington's single extractor.... So it wont tear into (1)
NopeStillDontCare
Spent shells as easy by jumping the rim... That being said the 870 is still a fantastic weapon (2)
illegalacorn
870 for life. Love my wingmaster.
sgtriley25
Personally I think the 870 is just a better built gun. Both are great shotguns but I just personally like the 870 better. Although... 1/2
sgtriley25
I think there are more options when it comes to the 500. All depends on what you're looking for. The action on the 870 is smoother I think.
benjahmenvt
How is the Remington 700 not on here? Best factory bolt action ever made. Also pictured is a Mossberg 590, not 500.
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benjahmenvt
Well as a lifelong competition shooter I disagree. But to each his own.
ArtyFlowyo
Remington's quality control has put me off getting one
benjahmenvt
Well fortunately there are so many models to fit your purpose. I have a Sendero in .22-250 and a long range in .308. I love them both.
ArtyFlowyo
I bought a Savage Axis in .308 a couple weeks ago and I'm liking it so far
ArgonSpark
I just bought my first gun, a Glock 17, a few weeks ago.
Chimneyville7
My first pistol was a 19. I wish I had a 17 whenever I shoot. Better accuracy and control. Excellent choice
Dildobagginsaa
Great first gun. You did good
rawrhayyyley
What about a Springfield XDS 9?
SPECTREagent
I would hold off on a Mosin to wait and see if Trump drops Russian sanctions. Additionally could allow reimportation of M1 rifles from Korea
tooomanysteves
Which is best for school shootings?
TheDuke0fHazzard
Many of the Mosins that were imported were from Ukraine. Prices went up because they brought em out of storage for combat again.
jppv86
I have 2 M1s and I believe every American should own the greatest battle implement ever devised
Dildobagginsaa
Ahh man dont tease me like that. Id love an m1
tooomanysteves
Which is best for school shootings?
MoreCowBellBaby
Brosky, don't start out a shooter on a Mosin, easy to heavy recoil, gunna give them the flinch
Dinnerbird
PING!
MasturGrunt
*Throws clip against rock and waits for a Nazi head to pop up*
MisterLemons
I just moved from NY, everything is illegal. I'll take five...
corditedelite
I could use... More...
mustang2733
Yeah boy! I still hope to get a VSS or russian surplus tank
Greggers787
And Saigas! Saiga 12 baby!
SFH1989
Don't get your hopes up about those M1s, they're allegedly in very poor condition from the way they were stored.
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
Is this just a list of the guns you've bought yourself? It's in no way a good collection of guns for a beginner.
Dildobagginsaa
Youve got alot to say. What would be your 4 for under 5?
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
Ruger 10/22, Remington 870 20ga, Ruger SR9, some lever action 30-30
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
Otherwise my collection is in a recent post.
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
So, for a person's first firearm with home defense in mind, is it overkill, maybe even stupid, to be lusting after a Smith & Wesson .357?
corditedelite
Semi auto for 2 legged predators. Handguns for fighting your way to your rifle.
KittenVonCatsworth
It's actually not an awful idea. Usually you don't want your first firearm to be one that uses somewhat expensive ammo, since you want (1/2)
illegalacorn
Just whatever you do don't get a Taurus. Jammy pieces of crap. Shotguns > all though
FredFredBurger
Honestly I'd go with a .40 or a 9mm, less recoil and easier to handle. They will still stop someone who tries to break in.
FredFredBurger
Or you could buy a .44 magnum in case a T-Rex breaks into your house lol
mywaysnotverysportsmanlike
If you do then get one with a 6 inch barrel. It makes shooting 357 so smooth. A revolver wouldn't be my first choice, but it's your gun dude
KittenVonCatsworth
...to practice a lot to build proficiency, but you can use .38 special rounds for training and practice at half the cost of .357. (2/2)
MellowHippy
1st firearm and home defense, go short 12 gauge shotgun. It can be surprisingly difficult to aim a pistol in the stress of a home invasion.
Cavalrysword
Also doesn't have the overpeneyration that threatens your neighbors if you live in an apt.
YeeDemBoiz
I would not buy a Nagant for more than $100. That's a rip off. Especially if it's a '44 Nagant. You can get Em for like $75 easily.
tooomanysteves
Which is best for school shootings?
corditedelite
Movies cost ten cents and candy is a nickle....!
ITradeNewds
Yeah maybe back in 2005. times have definitely changed mate
chimera388
Mine is a matching serial hex bolt from 1931. Definitely worth >$100. Finnish models are even more. Not all Mosin's are equal
DrPhillipMahmoufWifarts
Same but 1925 Izhvesk with a tight bore...I made sure to shop around.
KittenVonCatsworth
Have we gone back in time to 2008 again and no one told me?
JackieChamp
You're living in the past buddy. They're around $200 now. 4 years ago they were $100, not anymore.
mustang2733
Sadly, those times have passed. You will NEVER find them for that price again.
RaymondKHessel
Not since Sandy Hook....
RaymondKHessel
Let me clarify: After Sandy Hook, firearms and ammunition costs sky-rocketed.
Liquidbullets
You could get them for $75 maybe a decade ago. It's hard enough to find one under $200 now.
Dildobagginsaa
Most of em go where im at for around $200.
MisterNesbitt
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/607792905
YeeDemBoiz
Really? Wow. Here in Ohio you can pick up one for $50-$75. At least in central Ohio. Then again, we have very lenient gun laws.
Dreigiau
I watched mosins go from $230 up to $280 where I'm at this past year, if I can get one in OH for less than $100, OH just redeemed itself
Dildobagginsaa
Mah fuckin road trip. Im gonna buy me a crate
YeeDemBoiz
Yeah come on down! We got gun stores all over the place and there's a gun show every month.
NopeStillDontCare
No love for .30-.30's? Reliable brush guns with solid stopping power, decent range, and accuracy? Marlin 336's are well under $300.
MrBananaBeak
Not a great beginner gun, in my experience. The recoil startles new shooters.
NopeStillDontCare
Compared to a mosin or a 12 gauge? A 30-30 isn't bad. Sure a .22 is a lot softer but that's because it's pretty much a pure target weapon
MrBananaBeak
I'd probably steer away from a 12 guage as well, but the Mosin isn't bad and is a loooot cheaper.
NopeStillDontCare
Don't get me wrong, mosins aren't BAD, but the reason there's so many fans is the low price. If they were $300 no one would care about them.
MrBananaBeak
Well yeah, cuz they're old as shit. But bolt actions are so great for learning!
CommanderNibbler
I don't know man, I learned to shoot on my .22 and my dad's 30.06. Gave myself a pretty good shiner once but only once.
MrBananaBeak
Yeah I did that with a 12 gauge when I was 12. (Scoped slug gun for deer hunting)
MarvelousTermites
Is that not 5 guns?
Dildobagginsaa
380 was a side note
grishnakah
9. Weapon variants should technically be counted as separate firearms. Otherwise we might as well refer to everything as the AR-15.
MarvelousTermites
I'm not American so I've no idea what you're on about
grishnakah
I'm not either. What does being American have to do with common gun knowledge?
MarvelousTermites
Because Americans have an unhealthy obsession with guns. I live in a country with no exposure to them
GIJon31B
How about a Ruger 10/22 for a beginner rifle?
Threadnomancer
More expensive than 100 bucks
FiggisAgency
I'm picking one up real soon just to plink with
bionikchkn
For a beginner rifle id recommend a single shot bolt acrion, its easier to teach safety fundamentals on a rifle the doesnt auto feed
theutahman
10/22 should be #1 on the list
josephducreuxhere
This!
josephducreuxhere
Ruger 10/22 ftw. Start on the rifle, then move to pistol. And there's no better rifle to start on then the 10/22.
shortstop23
I learned on my grandpa's. 22LR single shot. Don't even know who made it. His dad bought it when he was 12 for $20. Still have it.
STGxDante
I hate .22 such a pain in the ass. Guns always jamming from the shoddy ammo if it even fires the round.
Morpeen
Amen to this, I'm a 6ft, 240lb dude, I still started small so I could get my basics down. It's better to start small to learn (1/2)
Morpeen
Even though I handle recoil well and love the big calibers, 22lr guaranteed I knew how to shoot correctly
mmartin762
Yes. It's a great beginner gun. Cheap, fun, and super customizable. Let's you get a feel for shooting. Your first gun shouldn't be a cannon.
fabianvazquez262
agree, but .223 doesn't kick too hard, and has longer distance than a .22
mmartin762
I also agree with that. I am a big fan of rifles in .223 and .308, since ammunition will always be plentiful. Just dont buy a mosin first.
mrpink83
I have a 10/22. I use it for shooting gophers.
IHaveTroubleThinkingUpGoodUsernames
K then, Bill
Dildobagginsaa
You shouldnt shoot small rodents! You should blow them up with a propane pump
IvanYackinOff
You got video of this?!
SailorBOB
We have a damn hard time finding ammo for .22 out here. It's not expensive. There's just a weird craze that every asshole hoards it.
GIJon31B
That's weird. I've seen the supply vary for sure though. I have 3000 rounds of 22lr and about 1000 of 22 magnum. I guess I got lucky
TonytheStray
Last time I took a trip to my hometown, my friend was telling me the same thing. I wonder what the deal is.. where's "out here" for you?
Skiafluff
Everyone buys all that they can so there's never any, so whenever there is any everyone buys all they can.
SailorBOB
Washington. Kitsap area.
Dildobagginsaa
Just a personal thing though. Lots of people love em.
xanadudu
Have a Takedown model. Put some peep sights on it. It's probably my favourite firearm; so much fun factor.
xanadudu
Can use it to hunt any game that I can clean by myself (not necessarily legally mind u). Anything bigger (ex moose) is a team effort anyway
Dildobagginsaa
Im not a fan of .22 just because they arent exceptionally viable in hunting and self defense and can cause training scars due to no recoil.
IGotNothin
I think the no recoil also helps new shooters hone in on good trigger control and sight alignment.
ADreamByAnyOtherName
Handing a newbie a moist nugget is a great way to give em a flinch. .22lr for beginners, big guns come later.
PacosTacos
Moist nugget. I'm dropping one of those in the shitter right now.
DiscWarrior
I think you have training scars due to no recoil confused with effective learning. It is much better to learn fundamentals without recoil
TheAdventuresofStealy
Yeah, this. Learning to flinch isn't a good thing.
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
.22LR is the beginner's caliber.
Dildobagginsaa
I would argue not. If youre a child, maybe. It sets unrealistic expectations.
thevaginalviscerator
I have killed more critters with a .22 than any other caliber. Squirrel, rabbit, coon, possum, and woodchuck all die well with a .22 round
WhiterunWarriorProject
I just killed a squirrel with a .22 air pump rifle, thought it was going to scare the fucker, but nope. squirrel mac and cheese that night
DadBodThor
It's 2016, we say African American now... Racist...
Unsupervisedadult
Nothing teaches leading a target like trying to hit a running rabbit with a. 22 sooo much fun
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
Rabbits are a pain to hunt with a .22, I use a 20 gauge for them. Squirrels are the perfect target though.
Amazingcar
"training scars"? What're those?
Dildobagginsaa
Poor habits created through faulty repetitious actions. Like poor recoil control or posture because of training without recoil
Amazingcar
Using .22 is a training scar on itself
thatstrangeman
Yeah but a .223 is not a viable hunting round in my book
InJenius
.223 is usually illegal to use on most medium game in the US because it lacks the instant killing power unless you are pinpoint
anarkos
Gah, not this argument again. In the end, it really depends on what you're hunting and how.
thatstrangeman
The reason I say that is because pretty much any centerfire caliber is legal to hunt with b my state (MN). You could use .22 hornet...
InJenius
.223 isnt legal to hunt deer with in VA because it requires pinpoint accuracy to be lethal. Anything but leaves it with a livable wound
anarkos
Makes sense. .223 is a nice round but I'd hope people would use at least a .308 (even if notrequired) when hunting large animals like deer.