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The problem with old used tires, is that they last FOREVER and there aren't many secondary uses for them. Plus they're really not too slightly, even as planters in your grandmothers front yard.
Well, we finally have another use for them that goes beyond the typical recycling. Using them to make hard surface walkways where normal concrete and asphalt just don't do the job.
Unfortunately in natural areas, like our wonderful Tennessee State Parks, tree roots and other earth moving events are common. These are almost always a death sentence for concrete and asphalt since they have little to no flexibility. Also, these impermeable solid surfaces do a lot to alter an area's hydrology which can be a big no-no in very sensitive ecological areas.
That's where flexible porous paving alternatives shine brightly. In this case specifically, we are talking about a surfacing called Flexi-Pave. It is a rubber and rock mixture that surfaces areas where concrete and asphalt would have normally been used in the past, but may not have truly been the best solution.
It is composed of ground up tires, which in this case have been dyed brown in order to be more aesthetically pleasing in a natural setting.
Some rock to give it rigidity and structure.
And a "binder", or a fancy glue with a well protected scientific formula. This is the most important part as it is extremely difficult to find things that permanently stick to tire rubber.
Once it is all mixed, it is poured and spread just like concrete. Not only is it hard and ready to be walked on within 24 hours. But once it is it is completely porous to water (35 gallons per square foot per minute) and extremely forgiving and flexible so that tree roots and other normal earth moving events don't compromise it's structure and function.
I was extremely proud of what we have been able to accomplish with this project in Tennessee State Parks, and this is only the beginning. When this path is complete it will be approximately 1/2 mile long, completely ADA compliant, and will have recycled almost 7,000 tires. Not to mention all of the other applications that we have planned across the state over our 1,200 mile trail system.
VitameatavegaminItsSoTastyToo
I've used to play at a playground with tires chips on the ground, instead of cement, and I loved it.
LeahShine88
Dude I worked at a barn that used this as arena footing. I've never fallen off a horse so comfortably
Eunoterp
It sounds like a decent solution....what about toxicity? Does the rubber or glue affect fish or other wildlife?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
This product has gone through independent testing to show that it doesn't leach any harmful chemical or give off VOCs.
robhufschmitt
I heard it is super toxic and could cause cancer ...
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
These tire pieces have been tested by independent agencies and are shown to be stable and giving off no harmful chemicals.
Scryptnotist
You da real MVP!
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Well thanks!
MaxximumB
Impressive.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Thank you!
MeantoChildren
LOVE it, good on you, and keep fighting the good fight!
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Thank you! And will do!
JonnyBLions
They did this in Phoenix, but on the freeway. Quietest freeway ever.
ledbar
I'm tired of maintaining trails as well.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
These would mainly be used in ADA applications and places where we would use sidewalks.
degenerator
I think there was a tread-worn pun in the comment, BTW.
MysticTyphoon
Literally just had an hour long lunch presentation about this at work earlier this week.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Curious, where do you work?
annabond
This post is very tiresome.
MissSpelledTattoo
thelostg
Almost scrolled right past that..
frustwrited
Old tires are also used to make highways using very similar techniques. These highways are super quiet compared to regular asphalt.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
I know our DOT is experimenting with that right now.
frustwrited
Out in Phoenix it's amazing. Quiet like you can't imagine.
jayphat
For people wondering, it has the same feel as a modern running track.
Flatcatbob
This has been banned in many areas and now the places they put it down they have to pay to take it out... frickin epa..
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
This one has passed all regulations and tests put forth so far and is being used in arlington national cemetery and Yellowstone natl park.
Chronomechanist
Out of interest, how easy is it to remove? Then once it's removed can 6ou do anything with it other than send it to a landfill?
Fatherdoodle
What TN state parks is this used in?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
This particular project is at Cedars of Lebanon!
Fatherdoodle
I live in NE Tn, will the 1,200 mi system be connected or just a bunch of independent ones?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Currently we have a 1,200 mile trail systems spread across all 56 parks but we would love for them to be all connected one day!
Mntbkrchk1979
That is a pretty amazing product! I hope it becomes more common place in the near future.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Thank you! I sure hope so as well! We're trying to set the example here!
FrankiesGirl
This is wonderful! Kudos to Tennessee and looking forward to traveling through some of those parks in the future. :)
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
We'd absolutely love to have you! Please stop by!
poogie67
Where the rubber meets the road.
pagliacci323
AZDan2012
Here in Arizona we have rubberized asphalt on our highway. Made in a similar way, it reduces road noise and tire wear.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
That's awesome! Our DOT is exploring with it right now.
bloodybutunbowed
How do the chemicals affect the ground/surrounding environment?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Through ASTM testing it has been shown not to leach any harmful chemicals into the ground, nor give off any VOCs.
KawaiiInari
My husband and his old man used to be in the tire recycling business. They sold rubber to make playground surfaces and other things. Way1/
KawaiiInari
softer than asphalt, and less dirty and annoying than wood chips or gravel. Plus it was easy to keep clean and the kids liked it. A cool 2
KawaiiInari
way to use old tires.
StarSpangledHammered
I've read about soccer goalies getting ill bc of the carcinogens from shredded rubber tires used to cushion the field. Any issue here?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Since they are bonded together and coated with the binder, they are less reactive. They have passed all toxicity tests that have been admin
theGrantimus
Some of the trails around the and Chancellorsville's Visitor Centers have this stuff. Was asked at least once a day about what it was.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
That's awesome to hear success and interest elsewhere.
JamesInTasmania
Informative post is informative, and shows some good work being done, thank you, OP.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Thank you! I'm proud I was able to work on such a project.
ILiveInStateParks
How much funding was needed for your park? The park I'm at is working on building a 2nd campground I think this would make a great (1/2)
ILiveInStateParks
Alternative from the concrete sidewalks we had planned. Can you tell a difference when walking on it? Does it feel softer? (2/?)
ILiveInStateParks
The park I'm at is building a 2nd campground and I think it would be great to have this on some the handicap sites we are going to build 3/3
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
At this point we have gotten the price down to about $6 a square foot. Once we order around 10,000 square feet or so. We don't pay labor...
Shooter14
+1 hope this gets more traction. Half the stories I tread through leave me deflated. Not this one
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Well done...very well done.
MissSpelledTattoo
digi2k
So, its porous.. what about in areas that freeze? Wouldn't expansion and contraction tear it apart or frost heave destroy it?
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
no, it's flexible. i'd be really fucking surprised if the extensive testing that is done to get these approved didn't account for that.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
The rubber actually acts like one big expansion joint. It has been ASTM tested for freeze thaw cycles. It out performs concrete.
keeskeeshuughuugkeeskees
What of the carcinogens seeping in to the soil and ground water?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
It has no leaching and puts off no VOCs! It's incredible.
keeskeeshuughuugkeeskees
Source?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Testing performed by ASTM, an independent quality agency.
keeskeeshuughuugkeeskees
Source for your actual claim... but it doesn't matter. I'm bored by you. I'll look myself
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Well, there's really no reason to act rude and self righteous. We don't make the product, we just use it, as I have explained many times.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Finding the literature isn't that hard, if you know how to use a basic web search. Next time try being a little less of an asshat.
Gibblestick
What is the cost compared to the more common materials?
circlebreaker
'bout $3.50
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
It's about 1/2 to 2 times the cost of concrete unfortunately, but it's worth it due to its increased longevity.
brrryyyyyyyy
What about the steel inside the tires
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
That is handled by the chipping people that get them to the right size.
neil137
* 1 and 1/2 to 2 times
nicklefarts
Does that cost factor in repairs/repaving of concrete for comparison? Maybe it's closer?
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
I bet people have a backwards view to it due to the initial cost increase over the usual options, but the recycling/less environmental >
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
> impact with water/flexibility with roots and such is awesome. I wish they did that here in California.
Gibblestick
I was expecting 4 times or more, so that seems like a great deal. Keep up the good work.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Thank you! :D
ILiveInStateParks
Hey OP! Which park are you in? And how in the hell did you get our overlords to approve of this?
nrkst
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SteveIrwinIsMyHero
I work for all 56! And believe me, many of in our leadership have absolutely loved this project so far!
JokeDudeR
I think he meant how did you get them to approve of this post on social media.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Oh! Well this is my project in particular and I oversee the trails program, so usually I have pretty good flexibility when it comes to this.
Steelballsofstill
I bet it doesnt last longer than my nokia 3310s battery life
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Valid point...lol
Alvatore
My primary concern is how they handle the steel belts in the tires during the grinding-up process.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
I'm honestly not sure. I'm not involved in the chopping process.
literallystalin
Probably some kind of magnetic extraction like most recycling plants.
devilzadvoc8
so pay once and be good for awhile....or pay 3 times
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
Exactly!
Cambino
1/2 to 2 times the cost? What factors would make it cost less than concrete?
OneZebraInAHerdOfWildebeests
5/7 cost efficiency
ocdmn
That'd be perfect
Adnanklink
Probably meant to say 1.5 to 2 times
Cambino
Right, right. That makes sense.
Volt1ighter
Do these walkways outlast concrete/asphalt in places where hot summers and cold winters cause a lot of cracking?
zFUBARz
I'd assume like any somewhat rough surface they would make for a bit of difficulty with snow clearing though. Tennessee probably OK though.
Volt1ighter
The sidewalks here seem to only last a few years before cracking pretty badly
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
They do! The rubber acts like a big expansion joint and the rock gives it stability. It's been shown to outlast concrete in freeze/Thaw test
kraeftig
What about when it reaches 120+ ambient air temperature? Does it melt? How hot does the surface get to the touch (animal paw pads)
modus0
Is that only comparing up-front cost, or calculating in long-term concrete/asphalt repair costs too?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
That's purely upfront purchase cost.
SchrodingersSchrodinger
It must be amazing to run on though. Oh my god, my knees would actually be able to handle running!
MollyEllen
yassssss
bimmerblondie
Amen! Was thinking the same thing! The forgiving nature of rubber would be an immense benefit to trails.
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
That is a HIGE selling point for it. It has a TON more give to impacts and runners love it.
Jammiepak
This is the kind of project that should be federally funded, tyre recycling plants to bring the cost down so it becomes more economical
LooseyGooseyBrett
1/2 the cost isn't more economical?
JustTheRightHeightNoBucketRequired
I believe he meant 1 and a half
SonsOfMoog
I read it as, "the cost varies between half and twice as much". Like, a variable between .5 and 2 times.
TheStonewall
The plant I work at actually teams up with a tire recycling facility and we use tires as fuel for our process. It's pretty neat
bigkingdingaling
Drying gypsum or something?
TheStonewall
Making cement. That's part of the slurry burning process
tankmemes
Here in Canada we have sidewalks and playgrounds make of rubber bits and I hate all of them. So artificial feeling yecchh. Hot and gooeyish
ascottdude
I remember reading playground rubber mulch is poisonous and bad for the environment. I was going to buy some but my research lead me to not.
Jammiepak
More artificial than concrete?
bigredfiretruk
we should pave everything with organic concrete and rubber bits
omi98
It's actually kind of annoying because it starts to fall apart after about year
tankmemes
Concrete doesn't start to smell like shit above 20℃
SchrodingersSchrodinger
They are badly done & not a developed product like this is. They literally just chop them into bits and throw the under play structures.
dieselpunk
Does this use all the rubber from the tires, or just the sidewalls?
kylepayton1360
They use brand new tires so yes. It uses the entire tire entirely
Jammiepak
https://youtu.be/zMxgRGmmpsk
HEROofTIMEandSPACE
The en-"tire!"
MissSpelledTattoo
nutRtookmyusername
green distillation technologies GDT is able to recycle complete tires w/ no waste and creates energy from the process. no waste all reusable
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
The entire tire!
MaxPowerdosentsnuggleyoustrapyourselfinandfeeltheGs
I've always been curious, and maybe you don't know, but when the tires are ground up, what about the steel belts?
SteveIrwinIsMyHero
I'm honestly not certain about the separation process, but I know the rubber is separated from the metal.
Jammiepak
I wondered the same. Found this video. https://youtu.be/zMxgRGmmpsk
DontusetheMword
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MaxPowerdosentsnuggleyoustrapyourselfinandfeeltheGs
Holy awsomness! Thanks
waking86
Yea my thought as well. Random wires poking through the new path?
MaxPowerdosentsnuggleyoustrapyourselfinandfeeltheGs
Check out the video posted in reply to my original comment. Kinda wierd at first, but it eventually shows the simple process in the end
Vaenaemoenen
Why it seems there's still some small metal strings left after the initial process if you watch closely?
Barnicals
The entyre*
MissSpelledTattoo