Turning Tires Into Trails

Mar 4, 2017 12:18 AM

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The problem with old used tires, is that they last FOREVER and there aren't many secondary uses for them. Plus they're really not too slightly, even as planters in your grandmothers front yard.

Well, we finally have another use for them that goes beyond the typical recycling. Using them to make hard surface walkways where normal concrete and asphalt just don't do the job.

Unfortunately in natural areas, like our wonderful Tennessee State Parks, tree roots and other earth moving events are common. These are almost always a death sentence for concrete and asphalt since they have little to no flexibility. Also, these impermeable solid surfaces do a lot to alter an area's hydrology which can be a big no-no in very sensitive ecological areas.

That's where flexible porous paving alternatives shine brightly. In this case specifically, we are talking about a surfacing called Flexi-Pave. It is a rubber and rock mixture that surfaces areas where concrete and asphalt would have normally been used in the past, but may not have truly been the best solution.

It is composed of ground up tires, which in this case have been dyed brown in order to be more aesthetically pleasing in a natural setting.

Some rock to give it rigidity and structure.

And a "binder", or a fancy glue with a well protected scientific formula. This is the most important part as it is extremely difficult to find things that permanently stick to tire rubber.

Once it is all mixed, it is poured and spread just like concrete. Not only is it hard and ready to be walked on within 24 hours. But once it is it is completely porous to water (35 gallons per square foot per minute) and extremely forgiving and flexible so that tree roots and other normal earth moving events don't compromise it's structure and function.

I was extremely proud of what we have been able to accomplish with this project in Tennessee State Parks, and this is only the beginning. When this path is complete it will be approximately 1/2 mile long, completely ADA compliant, and will have recycled almost 7,000 tires. Not to mention all of the other applications that we have planned across the state over our 1,200 mile trail system.

I've used to play at a playground with tires chips on the ground, instead of cement, and I loved it.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Dude I worked at a barn that used this as arena footing. I've never fallen off a horse so comfortably

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

It sounds like a decent solution....what about toxicity? Does the rubber or glue affect fish or other wildlife?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

This product has gone through independent testing to show that it doesn't leach any harmful chemical or give off VOCs.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I heard it is super toxic and could cause cancer ...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

These tire pieces have been tested by independent agencies and are shown to be stable and giving off no harmful chemicals.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You da real MVP!

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Well thanks!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Impressive.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Thank you!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

LOVE it, good on you, and keep fighting the good fight!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Thank you! And will do!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They did this in Phoenix, but on the freeway. Quietest freeway ever.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm tired of maintaining trails as well.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

These would mainly be used in ADA applications and places where we would use sidewalks.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think there was a tread-worn pun in the comment, BTW.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Literally just had an hour long lunch presentation about this at work earlier this week.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Curious, where do you work?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This post is very tiresome.

9 years ago | Likes 54 Dislikes 1

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Almost scrolled right past that..

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Old tires are also used to make highways using very similar techniques. These highways are super quiet compared to regular asphalt.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I know our DOT is experimenting with that right now.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Out in Phoenix it's amazing. Quiet like you can't imagine.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

For people wondering, it has the same feel as a modern running track.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

This has been banned in many areas and now the places they put it down they have to pay to take it out... frickin epa..

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

This one has passed all regulations and tests put forth so far and is being used in arlington national cemetery and Yellowstone natl park.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Out of interest, how easy is it to remove? Then once it's removed can 6ou do anything with it other than send it to a landfill?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

What TN state parks is this used in?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

This particular project is at Cedars of Lebanon!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I live in NE Tn, will the 1,200 mi system be connected or just a bunch of independent ones?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Currently we have a 1,200 mile trail systems spread across all 56 parks but we would love for them to be all connected one day!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That is a pretty amazing product! I hope it becomes more common place in the near future.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Thank you! I sure hope so as well! We're trying to set the example here!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

This is wonderful! Kudos to Tennessee and looking forward to traveling through some of those parks in the future. :)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We'd absolutely love to have you! Please stop by!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Where the rubber meets the road.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

once Leslie sees this post.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Here in Arizona we have rubberized asphalt on our highway. Made in a similar way, it reduces road noise and tire wear.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That's awesome! Our DOT is exploring with it right now.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

How do the chemicals affect the ground/surrounding environment?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Through ASTM testing it has been shown not to leach any harmful chemicals into the ground, nor give off any VOCs.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My husband and his old man used to be in the tire recycling business. They sold rubber to make playground surfaces and other things. Way1/

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

softer than asphalt, and less dirty and annoying than wood chips or gravel. Plus it was easy to keep clean and the kids liked it. A cool 2

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

way to use old tires.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've read about soccer goalies getting ill bc of the carcinogens from shredded rubber tires used to cushion the field. Any issue here?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Since they are bonded together and coated with the binder, they are less reactive. They have passed all toxicity tests that have been admin

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Some of the trails around the and Chancellorsville's Visitor Centers have this stuff. Was asked at least once a day about what it was.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That's awesome to hear success and interest elsewhere.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Informative post is informative, and shows some good work being done, thank you, OP.

9 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 0

Thank you! I'm proud I was able to work on such a project.

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

How much funding was needed for your park? The park I'm at is working on building a 2nd campground I think this would make a great (1/2)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Alternative from the concrete sidewalks we had planned. Can you tell a difference when walking on it? Does it feel softer? (2/?)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The park I'm at is building a 2nd campground and I think it would be great to have this on some the handicap sites we are going to build 3/3

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

At this point we have gotten the price down to about $6 a square foot. Once we order around 10,000 square feet or so. We don't pay labor...

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

+1 hope this gets more traction. Half the stories I tread through leave me deflated. Not this one

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Well done...very well done.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So, its porous.. what about in areas that freeze? Wouldn't expansion and contraction tear it apart or frost heave destroy it?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

no, it's flexible. i'd be really fucking surprised if the extensive testing that is done to get these approved didn't account for that.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The rubber actually acts like one big expansion joint. It has been ASTM tested for freeze thaw cycles. It out performs concrete.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

What of the carcinogens seeping in to the soil and ground water?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

It has no leaching and puts off no VOCs! It's incredible.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Source?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Testing performed by ASTM, an independent quality agency.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Source for your actual claim... but it doesn't matter. I'm bored by you. I'll look myself

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, there's really no reason to act rude and self righteous. We don't make the product, we just use it, as I have explained many times.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Finding the literature isn't that hard, if you know how to use a basic web search. Next time try being a little less of an asshat.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What is the cost compared to the more common materials?

9 years ago | Likes 328 Dislikes 3

'bout $3.50

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

It's about 1/2 to 2 times the cost of concrete unfortunately, but it's worth it due to its increased longevity.

9 years ago | Likes 417 Dislikes 1

What about the steel inside the tires

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

That is handled by the chipping people that get them to the right size.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

* 1 and 1/2 to 2 times

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Does that cost factor in repairs/repaving of concrete for comparison? Maybe it's closer?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I bet people have a backwards view to it due to the initial cost increase over the usual options, but the recycling/less environmental >

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

> impact with water/flexibility with roots and such is awesome. I wish they did that here in California.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was expecting 4 times or more, so that seems like a great deal. Keep up the good work.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Thank you! :D

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hey OP! Which park are you in? And how in the hell did you get our overlords to approve of this?

9 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I work for all 56! And believe me, many of in our leadership have absolutely loved this project so far!

9 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

I think he meant how did you get them to approve of this post on social media.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oh! Well this is my project in particular and I oversee the trails program, so usually I have pretty good flexibility when it comes to this.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I bet it doesnt last longer than my nokia 3310s battery life

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Valid point...lol

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My primary concern is how they handle the steel belts in the tires during the grinding-up process.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm honestly not sure. I'm not involved in the chopping process.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Probably some kind of magnetic extraction like most recycling plants.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

so pay once and be good for awhile....or pay 3 times

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Exactly!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

1/2 to 2 times the cost? What factors would make it cost less than concrete?

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

5/7 cost efficiency

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

That'd be perfect

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Probably meant to say 1.5 to 2 times

9 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

Right, right. That makes sense.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Do these walkways outlast concrete/asphalt in places where hot summers and cold winters cause a lot of cracking?

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

I'd assume like any somewhat rough surface they would make for a bit of difficulty with snow clearing though. Tennessee probably OK though.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The sidewalks here seem to only last a few years before cracking pretty badly

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

They do! The rubber acts like a big expansion joint and the rock gives it stability. It's been shown to outlast concrete in freeze/Thaw test

9 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

What about when it reaches 120+ ambient air temperature? Does it melt? How hot does the surface get to the touch (animal paw pads)

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Is that only comparing up-front cost, or calculating in long-term concrete/asphalt repair costs too?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's purely upfront purchase cost.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It must be amazing to run on though. Oh my god, my knees would actually be able to handle running!

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

yassssss

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Amen! Was thinking the same thing! The forgiving nature of rubber would be an immense benefit to trails.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That is a HIGE selling point for it. It has a TON more give to impacts and runners love it.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

This is the kind of project that should be federally funded, tyre recycling plants to bring the cost down so it becomes more economical

9 years ago | Likes 187 Dislikes 4

1/2 the cost isn't more economical?

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I believe he meant 1 and a half

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

I read it as, "the cost varies between half and twice as much". Like, a variable between .5 and 2 times.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

The plant I work at actually teams up with a tire recycling facility and we use tires as fuel for our process. It's pretty neat

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Drying gypsum or something?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Making cement. That's part of the slurry burning process

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Here in Canada we have sidewalks and playgrounds make of rubber bits and I hate all of them. So artificial feeling yecchh. Hot and gooeyish

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 32

I remember reading playground rubber mulch is poisonous and bad for the environment. I was going to buy some but my research lead me to not.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

More artificial than concrete?

9 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 1

we should pave everything with organic concrete and rubber bits

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's actually kind of annoying because it starts to fall apart after about year

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Concrete doesn't start to smell like shit above 20℃

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They are badly done & not a developed product like this is. They literally just chop them into bits and throw the under play structures.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Does this use all the rubber from the tires, or just the sidewalls?

9 years ago | Likes 88 Dislikes 0

They use brand new tires so yes. It uses the entire tire entirely

3 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The en-"tire!"

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

green distillation technologies GDT is able to recycle complete tires w/ no waste and creates energy from the process. no waste all reusable

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The entire tire!

9 years ago | Likes 113 Dislikes 0

I've always been curious, and maybe you don't know, but when the tires are ground up, what about the steel belts?

9 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 0

I'm honestly not certain about the separation process, but I know the rubber is separated from the metal.

9 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 0

I wondered the same. Found this video. https://youtu.be/zMxgRGmmpsk

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Holy awsomness! Thanks

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Yea my thought as well. Random wires poking through the new path?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Check out the video posted in reply to my original comment. Kinda wierd at first, but it eventually shows the simple process in the end

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Why it seems there's still some small metal strings left after the initial process if you watch closely?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The entyre*

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