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If you smoke, use dangerous drugs, don't get vaccinated, etc. that is your right, but if you want healthcare you need to take preventative measures. Clarification edit: these drug user might be given aid in fixing their addiction, as to where the line is drawn, that will have to be agreed upon by some group
pettyreprobate
In America the choice to not have enough money keeps us from health care.
feren
The idea that poorly-thought-out life choices should carry actual repercussions is counter to current thought. Sort of like having a baby.
delpharseven
In practice that just ends up costing more. It is better to keep them in the system and encourage a healthier lifestyle. Carrot beats stick.
Tinkerbellatrix
Also, if you plan to have a baby or any kind of cancer - SHHHHH
TungstenOrbital
Yes?
Volpe42
Most addicts had their first drug experience as kids with their parents. Its not their fault they were raised poorly.
orangebicx
Have you see the prices of smokes in Australia I'm paying for my healthcare 10fold
QCutts
Or you know, maybe just not over regulate and monopolize heath care so it is the most expensive in the world
secretlibby
The costs of healthcare are sky high because companies are not regulated enough. In Europe healthcare is under stringent regulation.
HeyOP
1) Voters like you are an excellent reason for keeping healthcare non-governmental. Suddenly when it's "your" money,
HeyOP
2) those coverage exclusions sound great.
thevortexmaster
Meh, there's always people that will take advantage of the system but I'm happy paying taxes to help out my fellow citizens no mater what
thevortexmaster
Matter*
casuallystalking
I don't think we should deny them healthcare coverage, they should just have to be higher costs, this includes obese people.
Tinkerbellatrix
If you smoke, don't get vaccinated, have a drinking or drug problem, lose prescription coverage for a year or two, and drink maybe. SHHHH.
FerrousBuehler
So what makes your life choices any better than anyone else's?
theo1razzledazzle
Nothing. My life choices are awful, but not directly detrimental to my health
mickytease
Except punitive measures like these result in a net negative effect on society
SpartaWolf117
Only they might not stop there. next thing you know you lose your healthcare because you had one big mac
Alduin
That's a slippery slop argument.
HeyOP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#Non-fallacious_usage
jimella
So no alcohol either?
theo1razzledazzle
No alcoholism
jimella
What about overeating?
delpharseven
But you don't have to be an alcoholic for alcohol to damage your health. Doctors agree that the best amount of alcohol is none.
ThisIsMyRealAccount
Everyone who has ever eaten is either dead or currently dying. Top scientists are still looking into the cause. After climate change.
delpharseven
Dear God, are those numbers accurate?
ThisIsMyRealAccount
They are still going door to door asking surviving family members.
MatthewDarks
Who draws the line?
UrKungFuNoGood
someone who didn't grow up raised by druggy parents into a life of addiction. so, not me.
AbsoluteFuckingWaffle
The line drawer.
elvestinkle
And how consistently is it drawn?
benovere
I do. For asking you've been blacklisted. Still gonna tax you for it, though.
liesuponlies
Insurance companies already drew a line and called those things "pre-existing" or "high risk" conditions and the previous government
liesuponlies
administration said they had to take those people because they were the ones that actually needed health care. So why they would redraw the
liesuponlies
same line again makes no sense. But it is the government so it's possible I guess.
FerrousBuehler
Our government approves of giving people highly addictive opiates which often leads to addiction, Cia imports heroine. It's all been proven
thevortexmaster
Our?
theo1razzledazzle
Source of this info? Cross examined?
secretlibby
They're called doctors. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/health/long-term-opioid-use-doctors-prescriptions.html
theo1razzledazzle
I meant more the CIA heroin thing
theo1razzledazzle
I trust you on the opioids and I agree it needs to stop
CloakerJosh
Illinformed opinion puffin
theo1razzledazzle
CloakerJosh
That's not the point I was making. You said it yourself, "by some group", which means you don't have an answer as to who would suitably 1/
CloakerJosh
arbitrate what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. There's the real issue here, not the utopian view that you have. 2/2
delpharseven
No, you don't. What you are suggesting will cost more money and not make people healthier. Unless that's what you are aiming for.
theo1razzledazzle
Moderate drinkers, or moderate eaters of fast food, and that's fine. When it becomes severely and clearly damaging is when its a problem 2/
theo1razzledazzle
theo1razzledazzle
You're superior to everyone else. I'll wait.