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Do you remember when games were made to be fun?
I'm 24, and I remember in my teens, waiting in line outside of GameStop for the release of truly epic games like Halo 2 and Gears of War. Waiting in long lines for the midnight release of a game, meeting new people and winning sweet prizes like shirts, headphones, and posters during pre-midnight release tournaments and trivias.
I remember paying $60 for a game, and in return getting so much more than that.
Over the years I have seen an industry that played such a significant role in my social life growing up slowly rotting away. Maybe it's nostalgia, or naivete or what have you, but I remember when games were engineered for maximum quality; for the pure enjoyment of the consumer.
Nowadays they are surgically engineered to accommodate microtransactions. It's only getting worse, but at the end of the day the video game industry is just that, an industry. A business. A way to make money. Truly, nothing is sacred anymore.
/EndRant
kriswinters
I remember subscribing to Nintendo Power and getting Dragon Warrior for free.
theyar
I remember "downloading" games by copying the code by hand from what was printed in Ahoy! Magazine.
UrbzGaming
MisterLemons
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CaptainPawfulFox
Reminds me of Jay Wilson / Bashiok's "Aren't you thankful !?" comment.
ExtremeSuperNerd
I think the world would be a better place whitout microtransactions
TheShadowsAreWatching
Eh, it depends. P2W microtransactions are bad, but cosmetic and ones that don't give an advantage are good. Just look at POE or Warframe 1/?
TheShadowsAreWatching
They do great with microtransactions. They make good money to stay afloat and offer good rewards for the microtransactions. 2/?
TheShadowsAreWatching
Even Fortnite has good microtransactions. They are purely cosmetic but it makes a lot of money and allows Epic to focus on updating the game
TheShadowsAreWatching
Microtransactions (that aren't P2W) are actually good. They give the game a continuous stream of money that gives reason for the game to be
TheShadowsAreWatching
updated.
JMackhh
Welcome to getting old. This is the age old tale of age. At 40, I’ve seen many things that were more magical just because I was a kid.
BunnyBooBear69
Fuck historical accuracy, bf5 is actually a lot of fun. IMO EA did a good job.
SGSchlaghund
you forgot deadman sky hype
floyd007
I read it as Deadman skype
lucivjov
No mans sky is one of the best grabs I ever made for $30. Ridiculous single player and multi replayability
lordofshapes
That's a seriously good point.
Mimicyu
To be fair they could have abandoned it but instead they are regularly updating it and I’m really enjoying playing it online with friends.
CoruptedComedian
You miss the point. It could be the best game ever in its current state but they lied to the fans and failed to deliver what they promised.
voltlunok
And then they apologized and went to work to fixing their mistakes. Like Mimi said, they could have just abandoned it. But they didn't.
SGSchlaghund
yes but game wend down to $5 and majority of community abandoned it ... it looked amazing played a little , had inventory problems
avickers
Just don't buy the ones that suck? There's plenty of games that don't require microtransactions - don't play the ones that do??
hobobobo
That makes no sense to me because I can't trial games to see if they are bad.
zuken
Just read reviews? Look up if they have microtransactions. Avoid games with CD keys and no return policy.
PorneliusHubertII
You can watch reviews. You can track the games production for years leading up to release. You can play betas.
PorneliusHubertII
Or you can buy a game and realise it's bad then just suck it up and move on. Back in the day if you bought a bad game then you just traded
PorneliusHubertII
It in and got on with your life.
Hreinyday
There are loads of great games being produced, just dont buy games that have microtransactions. Be a smart consumer.
PenisShapedPoops
MTX isn't senseless given that games cost less than they used to, adjusting for inflation. MTX subsidizes poor gamers. It's just abuseable.
HazeTiger
I rarely buy games on launch, there is 0 point as there are so many being released daily. Wait till the AAA titles go on sale and get fixed.
hobobobo
I have a rule not to spend more than $50 on a game because none of them are worth more than $30.
TheShadowsAreWatching
Eh, depends. Some games are worth $60. Others not so much.
Jagernot
if it's on Steam, never buy it day 1, it'll be 40% off before you know it.
TheFolkman
This year has also given us RDR2, Spiderman, and God of War. So there is hope for us yet
TheShadowsAreWatching
Next year is gonna be great too. WC3:Reforged, Rage 2, Doom Eternal, possibly Cyperpunk 2077. Maybe one day we will get Star Citizen?
Fistouille
There's also that company that used to make groundbreaking games and just released a pay-to-pay card game. A goddamn card game, Valve.
TheShadowsAreWatching
Value is actually a very cheap company. Once Steam took off they had no reason to make any more games because of Steam's profit. 1/?
TheShadowsAreWatching
They made Left for Dead 1&2 only a year apart. While the second game is awesome, it's basically just DLC to the first game. The Portal 2/?
TheShadowsAreWatching
games are fun and awesome, but that's it really. Half life was good for it's time but it hasn't aged well. Dota 2 was a complete copy 3/?
TheShadowsAreWatching
with pretty much no original ideas at all. Gmod, Left for Dead 1/2, and some of the half-life games are made in the same engine. 4/?
TheShadowsAreWatching
Allowing them to easily produce several games that all share assets, allowing you to make games for cheaper. TF2 is alright, but needs 5/?
BluePaladin42
While I think Steam was ultimately a great thing for the industry, I don't think I will forgive Valve for their attitude towards Half-Life.
Thelrishlnquistion
If they aren’t going to make HL3, I wish they would just say so. Better yet, sell the rights to someone who will.
TheFastpaws
Valve has been dead for a long time. The steam store is harder to sorry then the damn app store now.
Nagthrod
And this is why Fortnite was GOTY
Acolon
Funded by backers for the PvE aspect, then pulled away previous development time for the Battle Royale mode, which NO ONE wanted back then.
Jandegrote
Pve did not even get them enough money the game would never have happend to begin with it they did stay.
Acolon
They made the pvp element without letting the playerbase know beforehand. At all. They offered refunds, but the damage was there.
slack3rdav3
cuz children
wekilledbambi03
Because you’d rather know you’re getting ripped off by spending $20 on a skin every week or so?
Jandegrote
Nobody make's you pay for a skin every week nobody it's an option you don't have to do it.
TheFastpaws
Really? I just puked in my mouth a little.
Jandegrote
It's the best game at what it does and a lot of fans why just because you don't like it ?
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
Gaming industry used to be run by people who play games. Now it's run by mega cooperations getting fat off the back of legal child gambling
BearTheHobbit
Games were never “made for fun by real gamers.” It’s been about $$ since day one. Game standards and consumer expectations have changed.
icsaza
maybe not by real gamers,but surely by nerds who try to made for fun,ill be damned id software,westwood and hideo kojima ain't these nerds.
tyrunn
That's not true, sure the developers were gamers, the money men have never been gamers
zenprime
It's always been run by corporations getting fat off of child gambling. Their casinos were called Arcades.
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
Yeah but we're all grown up now and need to put a stop to it. There are honest ways to make money in gaming. Child exploitation isn't right.
LionHeart31337
Bingo. My nephew spent 200$ on loot boxes for his birthday. Almost bitch slapped my brother for letting him do it. Fucking hate gambling.
jakeinthehood
Seriously? Parent of the year! He's going to grow up with a very unhealthy relationship with money
Artonys
Oh god, why is this a thing now? Loot box money for birthday, instead of, I dunno... a proper full video game that will last way longer.
LionHeart31337
No he got lefty of gifts. This was just his birthday money he had gotten, and he choose to spend it on that!
Riehuu
OMG, you should have slapped his parents. Twice.
LionHeart31337
Trust me. I wanted to.
Sibep
A friend of mine bought Overwatch a while ago and bought 150€ worth of loot boxes. He's normally pretty poor and whines about not having 1/2
Sibep
money for games, yet buys loot boxes that you can get for free at a pretty quick rate in a game he just bought. 2/2
LionHeart31337
Yup, it tricks people. I fucking hate it.
Sibep
He perfectly knew you get them really fast and that in a while he would have all cosmetics from them anyway. He's just an idiot.
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
Its not a trick. Some people just act stupid or have money 2 waste
jakeinthehood
Mcdonalds tricked me, now i'm dead. Damn those tricky fiends!
brln923
Easy solution, jus don’t buy their games
TehGuard
Sales for both fallout 76 and bf5 are down by at least 50% in some eu countries compared to the last entry, likely similar in stats everwher
blank00009
Adam Savage’s Tested showed the final Fallout CE product 5 months ago. False advertising is bad but being a sucker is worse.
SecondWind90
that's what EA said xD
CaptainMorganTheFreeman
That might work if stupid 10 year olds weren't a thing, so unfortunately there will always be someone to sell shit games to leading to more
WhyCantIJustLurk
I realy think we got the power here, i dont buy DLC if no one does they stop. And OFC think of some other sceme, we ignore that and so on.
GoldenSun3DS
A very small percentage buying DLC and microtransactions funds them. If you buy a game with microtransactions or bad DLC, you're still
GoldenSun3DS
supporting that practice even if you don't buy any of the "extra" content.
WhyCantIJustLurk
If a game depends on DLC i dont buy it.
oforfs
Nah, no way it's going to work that easy. Advertising works too well, to many inexperienced consumers. And how do we even know when games1/?
oforfs
..."become great again". It is too easy to stimulate demand in masses this days. And I don't really see the thing turning around in near 2/?
oforfs
...future, despite all the fails of EA, Bethesda, ActiBlizz and others. All that is left is a hope for some gems and bits of gold in this3/?
oforfs
...ever widening stream of crap and greed.4/4
Distrill
This exact thing happened in the 80s and the gaming industry crashed. No matter how much ads they put out. It still died out till the NES
suksas
This will happen eventually. It has happened in the 80ies and industry crash. Time to bring another crash to wipe out the likes of EA.
GuyPrice
80ies was the time of the nerds. Now shit's mainstream and mainstream is inert as fuck due to the sheer volume of consumers.
datacide
I haven't purchased an EA game since Spore. They can kiss my nerdy ass.
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FartyMcDumpstein
Gaming bubble and subsequent crash. The only major publisher to survive it was Activision.
Thelrishlnquistion
Cleared out all the shit and paved the way for Nintendo. That’s why Nintendo products still have that ‘seal of quality’ sticker on them.
samthing
Many competing systems, tons of crap games and no internet reviews to look up quickly what's worth buying.
FartyMcDumpstein
I am enjoying FO76. People fail to grasp that people have different interests. I'm OK having paid $60 for the game, just as I was for NMS.
Jandegrote
I just dislike paying 60 for a game that looks like it could have been on ps 2.
FartyMcDumpstein
SSB64 cost me $60 19 years ago. This viewpoint is fascinating.
Distrill
You are the 0.1% then. Theres a difference between having different taste and games just not being good like they used to.
FartyMcDumpstein
Your opinion is correct but mine isn't? Very few of the products people whine about actually lose money, meaning I'm the majority, not you.
Distrill
They dont lose money cuase they convince suckers such as yourself to fork over 60$ for games not worth 15$ lol. LOL If thats your majority.
FartyMcDumpstein
1) I'm also in my mid-30s. People here are having some SERIOUSLY rose-tinted glasses. The games people remember are the ones that made it
FartyMcDumpstein
2) through the selection bias. People forget all the shitty bug-ridden games that flooded the market in the 80s and 90s. Nothing is new.
cantstopfire
Selection bias applies to the market too. They didn’t have patches back then. A game would literally be a plastic brick without quality ctrl
JamesDaviau
Arent there any consumer advocacy groups in america that could look into all this?
GreenYawgmoth
Yeah and they have all the power of a single imgur commenter.
nonCanadianGoose
FTC. Problem w/ loot boxes is they’re as much gambling as baseball cards making a huge grey area. Blizz was just poor brand mgmt not illegal
nonCanadianGoose
Blizzard should be higher up. Had the mentioned D4, it would’ve disappeared. It was some suit saying phone games are hot now; who plays PC?
Jandegrote
I'll half defend blizzard saying some people are hating without knowing shit but they also did kinda caused it themself.
KingKrown
Yea,they really should have said something else...like D3 update and D4 in development. THEN said"Oh D3 is going to be on phones too."
Jandegrote
D4 is in development they did not have enough to show during blizzcon wich was a major planning error.
TheShadowsAreWatching
That's really it. It's not the game people are mad about, but the announcement.
Combatman23
I don't think anyone ever accused battlefield of being historically accurate or realistic.
restos
They only started saying it was when the racists/sexists thought it could work to their advantage to fight over it. :/
reykjavikparadise
Nah, you already had battlefield games with females and other races in it such as BF4 and BF1 but they were in context /1
reykjavikparadise
Such as when you played a woman fighting in Arabia in story BF1, BFV has women in Europe on the front line which definitely did not happen
reykjavikparadise
Now I know that developers can take certain liberties when it comes to accuracy (ie assassin's creed) but you have to be careful on which
MateriaCaelestis
Yeah be careful about putting women and minorities where they don’t belong or face the semipotent rage of the eternal gamer
restos
We also never had people jumping out of jets and shooting each other with rocket launchers mid air, but I didn't see complainta about that.
reykjavikparadise
CoD adv Warfare? Yeah there were lots of complaints about that one esp that battle suit
Virus322
That's not really a suggested way to play the game. That's people taking advantage of physics issues.
Matsuuu
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II
reykjavikparadise
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots
KingKrown
Halo isn't "Halo" anymore & Bungie doesn't seem like the team we loved. Our favorite games & devs maybe change,but what about things like1/2
cyndarrus
iirc bungie no longer made the halo titles after 3, another company did
SunBrolem
Correct, after 3 it was a different developer, 343 Studios.
Matsuuu
After Reach, Reach was made by Bungie
Dalumbr
That's true. What the other guy was talking about is that nearly none staff of Bungie are the same and the culture of the studio is gone
cyndarrus
Ah I misunderstood. Although when I played destiny 2 in the first 5 minutes I could tell it was a bungee game because of the music lol
Dalumbr
It's mostly the quality of the story, the lore retcons, the map sizes and the actual gameplay mechanics being bad that lost me.
wekilledbambi03
Played lately? Forsaken was a hell of an update.
everettscott
You're forgetting ODST and Reach.
KingKrown
Nintendo games,Red Dead 2,Forza,Nier,Witcher,God Of War,Last Of Us,Tomb Raider,Spiderman,Even the new AC games & let's not forget about1/2
voltlunok
To keep adding to this. Persona 5, Disgaea 5, Monster Hunter (Both World and Gen Ultimate.) and so so much more!
KingKrown
The smaller and/or indie developers making great games as well. (Often less than $60).It's not all sunshine,but farfrom being all bad2/3
KingKrown
I think we just get to hung up on the devs/games we grew up with not staying the same and blanket those sentiments across gaming as a whole.
LionHeart31337
I really love ark survival. I don’t think it gets enough praise, although it needs to be optimized horribly.
Ijustsigneduptoupvotethis
Go watch Zero Punctuation video on fall out 76,he makes a very good point, its just a phase, we have been here be for.
Lamech777
I forgot all about Z, he's still around?
Ijustsigneduptoupvotethis
He is the only reason that the escapist is around, check their YouTube channel, it's mostly just his vids
x2375
That would require me to watch Zero Punctuation though...
JamJarre
The rot had already set in. Black Isle, Bullfrog... those were the days
oneofthesedaysimgoingtocutyouintolittlepieces
Syndicate <3
wigznet
Bullfrog. Syndicate. Too bad that IP is a shell of it's former self.
GymMatMeat
There has always been terrible games in every generation. We are able to group together in frustration more because of social media.
cruizin67coupe2
Remember when Atari dumped truckloads of ET games in land fill? EA should do the same...
Pentacus
But with their board of executives?
cruizin67coupe2
SecondWind90
I don't think I've seen big companies like Blizzard, bethesda and EA screw up this big the same year
LionHeart31337
Of course, but how does that account for the current level of disconnect current game companies have? When that never was a problem before?
hobobobo
I think people have higher expectations now because we know they have millions of dollars and skilled ppl but still produce trash.
GuyPrice
I don't have higher expectations, gimme morrowind 2 with 2005 graphics and I'm happy.
vowofloudness
It has always been a problem. Look up E.T. and Daikatana for (in)famous examples.
LionHeart31337
I meant the level of disconnect. Of course there will be bad games. Not arguing that. I’m talking about the separation from top game dev 1/2
LionHeart31337
To the base consumer. It’s almost as if these major companies are solely that. Companies. Shocking I know.
SpinningButholeattack
Yeah, but when you can fuck up a fallout game, there is some very wrong..
PenisShapedPoops
People called Fo3 and Fo4 fuckups. And when it was just released, NV too. Fallout may not be hard to fuckup at all.
HiddenSanity
Plenty of companies have lived long enough to become the villain before. I remember when Blizzard was near-ideal.
itsybitsyspider
The problem is Bethesda was once seen as a company that listens to their fanbase and customers. Now they're going the way of EA.
samthing
Circle of entertainment company, you strike gold, you get complacent, you run out of ideas and fade away in downward spiral of bad sequels.
BarryAllensSole
Assassins Creed used to be my beyond favorite game of all time when Ezio was involved. Haven't even watched the trailer for Odyssey yet. :(
OriginalSyn
https://youtu.be/-AxZofbMGpM almost no company escapes this
Humanmanperson
Some companies actually care about their games. Platinum games, from soft. Cd project red.
OriginalSyn
There will always be a few exceptions but over a long enough timeline usually what Jobs said is true, even for his company.
cobragrunt
Rockstar, for all their hype, do make quality games and at least take some time to work the bugs out.
Thelrishlnquistion
Yeah, they’re like one of the last major players in the industry who still have an once of integrity left.
Humanmanperson
The bugs I usually encounter in GTA and rdr2 are quite minimal. Never gamebreaking.
CloakerJosh
The "good old days" as it were eroded when publishers had the ability to patch games, in my opinion. Before online, a game couldn't be 1/
Duder87
I remember every Fallout game 3 and Up needed some needed some kind of patch or fix which modders would fix way faster. 76, online...no mods
ClayBones548
On consoles maybe. Blizzard's most revered games received expansions, patches and updates, Quake and Doom had several releases. 1/2
ClayBones548
The problem is that tools that were originally used to give a game longevity now cover for developer laziness on higher budget titles. 2/2
grendelb
Before online buggy games with fatal flaws remained broken, unless you ordered patch disk or floppy or downloaded patch by modem.
preparationh67
Really? Because in the good ol days they'd just release broken games and say fuck it. Thinking devs were any better is just rosey glasses
tyrunn
You clearly never sent away for a 3.5" floppy patch
CloakerJosh
I did not. If it was glitched on the 486, I moved on to the next game.
preparationh67
So close
CloakerJosh
?
PneumaticJack
I already have a floppy 3.5", I don't need to send away for another one
CloakerJosh
rushed for a release date by marketing only to be worked on after the fact. If the game was shit at release, it was done. 2/2
vDorothyv
That's really only true of old console games. Fallouts 1 and 2 have quest bugs and tons of unfinished content. Morrowind is still bugged
BluePaladin42
Ultima Underworld, a highly regarded RPG which was the the predecessor to System Shock, had a game breaking bug where carrying too-
BluePaladin42
-much inventory caused a fatal overflow that HAD to be patched and destroyed saves.
FartyMcDumpstein
1) The price of games now is the same that it was 15 years ago. People can either expect iterative development, or they should be willing to
FartyMcDumpstein
2)pay 2-3x as much. I'd venture a guess people would be more upset with paying $120 for a game than paying $60, patches, and then $60 in DLC
GuyPrice
Rly? I'd rather play buggy new vegas than fucking spotless fo4. The games are not only unpolished, they are just bad.
Redisia
@cloakerjosh not to mention that pre purchases even fuel this. They already got your money so... rush and start the next thing
TheEightfoldPath
Yep. That's not to say bugs didn't happen, they were just not game-breaking. QA has taken a big hit,beta testing isn't really that anymore.
HeavenOrHellLetsRock
I mean, not really. There were really shitty games during the NES era, and things not working was more acceptable. Nowadays there is less of
HeavenOrHellLetsRock
An excuse for it with higher budgets and higher understanding the ability to patch. We accept it less because it shoudn’t be a thing anymore
BluePaladin42
Game breaking bugs are not new to the last few decades. Paying customers being treated as beta testers are though.
TheEightfoldPath
Yep, but imagine the disaster a game breaking bug would have done on a cd or cartridge compared to now, I'd wager more went into QA then.
hobobobo
Yeah beta testing seems to be a big problem now. I'm super worried they won't even pay someone to test the next ES.
NinjablazerZero
Considering they fully intend to use the same 20 year old engine to make it, no amount of testing will be able to catch that games bugs.
Hendlton
That's (supposed to be) a singe player RPG. They can't really let you play an early version of that. It'd ruin the game. They better not...
vitorsly
You realize there are professional game testers whose job is to play games early?
Alkuam2
They charge customers to beta test for them, then ignore any feedback that isn't praise.
RyuNoel
BGS were actually patching bugs in real time during the BETA, and the release, and every week since. who lied to you?
TheEightfoldPath
Exactly.
joemoedee
Old games had patches. I’m glad they can fix bugs after release, personally. Pay to win, however, can go die in a fire.
CloakerJosh
Don't get me wrong, obviously being able to patch a game breaking bug is important. I'm just speaking to how it sparked a development →
CloakerJosh
culture that allows publishers to push games out the door without being "finished" in order to make deadlines. Obviously a lot more can go →
Hendlton
Beta testing is just a hype generator now. They let people play the "Beta" and tell them there's going to be more to it. There never is.
RyuNoel
Ouch man. That's a seriously wrong assumption. Where did it come from
Hendlton
Any EA game since Battlefront. CoD too. Fallout 76 is the latest example. Some bugs may have been patched, but it's still a broken mess.
evilspock
This is what happens when the companies are no longer run by gamers. Vote with your wallet.
SecondWind90
Hey mister I want my 8 year old daugher to be able to relate to a soldier from w2 shup up and check you privilages!
hobobobo
That only works if you can test the games first. You can't get a refund if you find out it's shit.
PorneliusHubertII
Or you can just follow the news leading up to the release of the game. People have always gambled their money on games as well.
BigJewishHulk
I miss trailers
Hendlton
You might not be able to, but others can. Just wait two days to play it. It might save you 60$.
KingKrown
I disagree. I still have a bunch of fun with games. I don't know why everytime some AAA dev does something suddenly gaming as a whole is 1/?
KingKrown
Doomed. I could name a bunch of games I had a blast with they had no microtransactions(if so did nothing) and a SP that actually added 2/?
KingKrown
Worthwhile content. I totally get some of our childhood Devs & games aren't what they used to be. Halo 5 & Destiny for example..but that 3/?
KingKrown
Doesn't mean gaming is fucked.
MisterLemons
Success breeds followers. What we fear is devs saying "well these guys are going for easy money, we should too". It's a red flag for the 1/2
MisterLemons
industry as a whole. Who would have believed Bethesda would flop so hard and the situation with blizzard is a joke. It's the greed. 2/2
AreThoseMyPants
AAA gaming is going to a wrong direction. I see outcry an important step in addition to boycots to let them know what exactly they do wrong.
PerryCoxMD
Speaking from experience, for the most part the team as a whole would rather not do the things that make people mad.
PerryCoxMD
But dev teams are expensive, and on live titles cannot be maintained without constant income.
crimsonghost1
Yakuza series for ps4. Meaty in depth story driven bad ass action rpg. ZERO microtransactions and seasons passes. Ps4 has the games.
claytonmachine95
Screw PS4. I'll stick to Tarkov, Verdun, Insurgencey, and Rising storm.
MillionDollarMistake
Switch or even the 3DS too.
Jandegrote
So does pc.
TezuNii
Yakuza Kiwami was actually one of the november free games for PS plus
iwanttomountndewya
My fiance got into the series and it has absolutely RUINED him. He has unrealistic expectations of characters because of Majima now ?
crimsonghost1
Majima-Sama is an absolute bad ass karaoke singer. Get him Fist of the North Star lost paradise for Christmas. Sam dev team. Plays the same.
iwanttomountndewya
Oh we know. Loooord we kmow :P
PorneliusHubertII
Unfortunately most ps4 exclusives lack replayability. Great amazing stories.
clawthewolf
Eh, to me Replayability is not that big of a deal. Once I'm done with the story I'm done with the game
4e6f6e65
"Single player is dead!", "HOLD MY WHISKEY!" -RDR2. Don't buy their crap, let them hurt.
hobobobo
That game is boring and has none of the charm of the original. It's just "wank wank look how good our graphics are. Your horse is dead"
theyar
Bullshit, RDR2 delivers.
voltlunok
I mean, there were plenty of good singleplayer games before RDR2, not knocking it but, ya know what I mean.
4e6f6e65
Yeah it was the most recent examples, the previous fallouts were gold for single player, skyim steals lives and those are a handful.
reykjavikparadise
Yeah but be prepared to be disappointed for RedDead Online
OfficialCommentFromCorporate
GTA Online was beautifully executed for the first 3 years. Year 4 continues to be a clusterfuck.
ReallyGoodBee
It's going to be GTA Online with cowboy hats. Just watch.
thatjohndenverwasfullofsht
Red Dead single player is easssssily worth 60 bucks. I've been playing religiously for 2 months now and I'm only 2/3 through the story.
wekilledbambi03
So religiously you forgot that it only came out 5 weeks ago not 2 months ago?
Mewmus
i just did the mission in saint denis where you rob the trolley station (and get almost zilch) you before or after that?
ElBivo
After that the gang is too mopey for me. I just go hunting , don't have the heart to push the story ahead.
thatjohndenverwasfullofsht
After
CletusVanDamn
Doesn't change the fact that singleplayer alone was worth more than 60 bucks
jakeinthehood
They did what battlefront 2 attempted to do, make an excellent game that pulls you into their casino. RDR2 is the perfect game for that
CletusVanDamn
Battlefront 2's singleplayer can't really be compared to the masterpiece that rockstar sold for only 60 bucks. Online is flawed no doubt
Fairemont
I was playing red dead online. It's uh... It's interesting. Kind of fun at times, bit of a slog to unlock stuff. Decent mess around fun.
Fairemont
Microtransactions inbound. Let you unlock stuff early. Doesn't seem to be too big of a deal. I have server connection issues.
Fairemont
It's exactly what I expected it to be when I was told it was being added. You might get shanked. You might get lassod and drug around like
Fairemont
Hector of Troy. You might buddy up with some people and kill an entire NPC population so you can sell their sheep to them.
Fairemont
The connection issues are my biggest problem. Between money acquisition and rate of levelling up, without being able to do missions...
Fairemont
It makes it take a lot longer to unlock stuff. Can easily make a couple hundred bucks a day, though. The xp is where I suffer.
Ornoth
Honestly, I have been enjoying Nintendo and indie games this generation. I feel like I get more for my money and I am supporting game- (1/2)
xanius
Just picked up Mario kart for my switch. The driving assist stuff is awesome for my 5 year old playing with me
wolfzr1
Driving assist still don't help my 20 yr old gf... She told me she was good Mario kart... Lol
xanius
Lol. Maybe you should change it to 50cc when she's not looking.
wolfzr1
It was on 50cc... She can't drive straight... Lol
CornChunks
I love Nintendo but they are still flawed and slow. Take the online service for example
SlothOfDanger
Yeah I've been enjoying Sonys exclusive games lately, like GoW, Spiderman and Horizon
Iwouldbenick
I am 32 and play my switch every day. It is the only system that doesn't feel like its trying to rob me.
Ornoth
Plus it has an awesome lineup of quality games. A bit of flopped indies but it’s awesome seeing Nintendo support independent developers.
opeterdadju
DONT LET THEM HEAR THE BEST GAMES TODAY ARE INDIE, they will hide as indie devs and we will lose our last bastion
jjninja850
no..fuck nintendo this generation, im honestly stupid pissed at them, ill wait to see if they ever join the rest of us
SecondWind90
Asian game company in general has been doing good I think
Ornoth
Developers I believe in. Of course there are a few ps4 exclusives thrown in there.
Ornoth
Plus Nintendo is supporting indie devs which has given the devs an outlet to the industry outside of PC.
DoctorMantisTobogganMD
I'm still playing Shadow of War on gravewalker difficulty over here.
GunLovingTreeHugger
I enjoyed Detroit becone human a lot.
adenclarice
That game was so good!
rpgaff2
I don't necessarily disagree, but a common complaint is a lack of originality, and most of Nintendo is remakes or sequels.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Nintendo is one of the cheapest,most conservative companies out there,you're just very loyal sheep.How's that 50$ Mew and 5th trip to Kanto?
InvisibleMagicSkyDaddy
Say what you want about Nintendo and their rehashed games, at least they stick to their principles and release products w/out predatory MTs.
Nicarem
Well splatoon and arms and Mario + rabbits bot, odyssey and my 30 dollar trip to alola actually where pretty enjoyable thank you very much
Steffn
Nintendo as a game developer is one of the highest quality studios out there.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Highest *quantity. Rehash after rehash, starving you for good hardware so that graphics attainable a decade ago are enough to satisfy you.
Steffn
Maybe quantity as well but mostly quality. Yes they are doing a great job on mantaining their popular franchises and steadily improving them
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Like a good little sheep, you just keep repeating "No.No.Good quality." While I provide examples of their cheap practices. You're a drone.
Nicarem
It's also hard to call them conservative when they just made the switch, and where the only ones trying new shit with the wii and wii u...
Nicarem
And making a 3d handheld and the whole carbord shit that while definitively expensive is at least creative and the amiibos, I can keep going
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
They are conservative when it comes to game design and content use. And your enjoyment is subjective.
Nicarem
Again splatoon, Mario +rabbits, botw and odyssey, which of those is conservative and how???? By literally doing something new with each?
Nicarem
You want to talk objective instead of subjective? Well then in all fairness nintendo is the most out there developer and has always been 1/2
Nicarem
Is doing a shooter in which you don't try to kill conservative? Making one of the most experimental games with all the mechanics of odessey?
Lewdsmith
I've been mostly about indie games and Nintendo for years. All I need is my PC for single player and my Switch for MP games, and I'm good.
darksamus8
Same. Agreed 100%
Lewdsmith
I mean jesus christ, no AAA game in years has come close to beating games like Hollow Knight.
sittingducka
Hollow Knight is absolutely amazing. The amount of quality content you get for such a low price makes me feel like I'm stealing.
MrKoops
I'm so fucking excited for the Hornet DLC. I will gladly pay Team Cherry for all the content they've developed for Hollow Knight.
Lewdsmith
I've bought it several times 'cos I want to support them that much. No shitting. Bought it several times and gave away as presents.
SquirtleSquad420
The new doom has been the best game in years for me.
itsybitsyspider
Yeah it seems now Nintendo has finally gotten their head out of their asses and woke the fuck up. They were going downhill for a while.
Ornoth
The WiiU has the largest library of Nintendo game that spans all of their previous generations. Best console to play the legacy of Nintendo.
LarvaLamp
I still love my Wii U. I dont know what everyone was complaining about
Ornoth
The Wii-U is the best console to experience the legacy of Nintendo. It has the largest line up of Nintendo games. (All 3D zeldas)
RelativeVelocity
The WiiU was a great console. Had plenty of good games, and an amazingly diverse virtual console. Terrible name and marketing drowned it.
Noahbalboa82
Yesssir. My WiiU is put away because I have a terrorist of a 2 year old, but I'll get it out in a couple years and enjoy it with him
RelativeVelocity
Great plan!
Nicarem
They literally never stopped making great games and innovating, their risk just didn't pay off that time or do you need a list of examples?
JamJarre
This is a good point. I rarely buy AAA games these days and usually only on sale
thatsmynewusername
Agreed, only buying games on sale on my side. Except a few really great ones like Spider-Man or Tomb raider.
RelativeVelocity
Damn straight. No point in day one
WhiteCollarOfficeJobs
What it's my video game and I need it now?
RelativeVelocity
By all means, do as you please
ElTiempoTheGreatBunny
yeah, nowadays wait a week and they are -50% on price....
fluffOpAnimal
Or like BFV and F76 go on sale literally one or two days after launch.
RelativeVelocity
How mad day oners must get at that
Eonymia
Aside from EA's awful PR, the BFV "Controversy" is only surprising in that people expect historical accuracy from BF. BF1942 had jetpacks.
aleister94
They didn't expact historical accuracy they literally were just angry about the presensce of women they didn't even try to hide it
GeorgeSantosTheCreatorOfLight
100% this.
Bambi577
Thank you! Historical accuracy is not and never has been the intended purpose of these games. It’s such a stupid complaint.
canadianreserve
Women fought in ww2. This was a fake controversy made up by women haters.
MateriaCaelestis
It was just a caste of “political gamers” empowered by gamergate and their disdain of women and black people. BF1 doesn’t belong on the list
londdi
And it is actually pretty fun fps..
PiGiSpi
I think the more annoying thing was that EA was trying to shut down all criticisms, whether legit or not, as "sexist" gamers
GeorgeSantosTheCreatorOfLight
Most were sexist gamers, lol
aleister94
Except the criticisms were "EA RUINED BY FEMINAZI SJWS" which you know is sexist
UnforgottenOne
Secret Weapons of WW2 expansion had jetpacks. Although the main game wasnt anymore realistic as we had paratroopers firing bazookas mid air.
UnforgottenOne
Still a great game that I had a lot of fun with, especially with mods.
Alkuam2
No, it didn't. The expansion "Secret Weapons of WWII" did.
Eonymia
Expansion =\= new game.
nipnibbler
No shit sherlock. The point is that the expansion contained crazy/silly stuff. So saying that BF1942 is unrealistic for containing jetpacks>
Bambi577
An expansion is still part of the game, numbnuts.
ElBivo
How about how barbed wire damages tanks? drives me nuts on Omaha every time.
BluePaladin42
Battlefield 1942 you could ramp the Enterprise out of the ocean onto Midway Island and waste the map using the ship's AA guns. Yes, it-
BluePaladin42
-isn't exactly INTENDED gameplay, but slavish historical accuracy would be that the ship gets stuck once you reach the shallows instead of-
Eonymia
The expansion is still a part of the game, so the statement that 1942 had jetpacks holds. BF was never about historical accuracy.
Eonymia
Especially from that exp forwards it's been about silly multiplayer fun in [insert setting here], damn if it is not historically accurate.
nipnibbler
> is a moronic statement.
Drath101
In the defence of BFV they took alot of feedback on their cosmetics on board and sacked off the guy who made those comments
Fairemont
If they give me hair options for my ladies I will be fine. And a slight upgrade to medic weapons. The game is pretty good, even if ya know..
Fairemont
The purists are freaking out about history and accuracy and some employees said some dumb stuff.
CamelSpotter
Yeah, but then EA held a Christmas party to celebrate BFV, and put up the worst comments they could find to paint the angry fans as sexist.
Fairemont
I don't much care for all that controversy stuff. A couple little tweaks to the game and it'd be great. I really enjoy it, to my surprise
Alistairetheblu
That is assuming they were even "found" and not fabricated.
myimor
People shat themselves over seeing a woman soldier. Even if they made them up, the comments were there to find. Easily.
CamelSpotter
I'm not even joking. They literally had a giant screen with #everyonesbattlefield and a bunch of sexist and toxic comments surrounding it.
Drath101
I mean my overarching opinion of it is that both sides were equally moronic for different reasons, but eh, what happened happened really
CamelSpotter
It's not even a "both sides" issue. EA chose to ignore the valid and level-headed concerns and instead brought attention to the trolls.
CaptainHedgeHog
There were no valid concerns from both sides. There were plenty of women in WWII. Any slight research shows you that.
Drath101
Even some of the 'level headed' arguments were pretty moronic tbh. Realism in battlefield is a joke, it's offensive to veterans is moronic/1
SjorsM
Women fighting in WWII as a historical inaccuracy isn't a level-headed concern in a game where battles are made up and physics are ignored.
Drath101
I mean tbf alot of those guys WERE being sexist. They have EA what they needed instead of providing actual debate, like total tools
CamelSpotter
It's not hard to find sexist idiots when you go searching through YouTube comments. Trolls are as common there as mosquitos in a swamp.
Drath101
Oh certainly, but they ultimately did provide that content, and it was immensely prevalent
restos
The majority of the complaints I still see about BFV are still just "women are in it". So I'm not really seeing where they're wrong.
CaptainHedgeHog
Which is ridiculous because even the slightest amount of research tells you that there were plenty of women serving during WWII. Idiots.
reykjavikparadise
Yeah but when your making a historical game you WANT it to be historical you don't rewrite history bc of your politics
crimsonghost1
But, you have to realize, most of the companies back when took a massive gamble financially on their games success. They opened up to
jakeinthehood
I'd argue that its a bigger gamble to put out half baked games that constantly harang players to spend money on shiny cosmetic bullshit
iMcFly
It’s also amazing how many companies went bust back then. They’d release a small number of games, then *gone*. No stability for game makers.
GoblinSlayerSage
Gaming companies are getting so bad I might have to take up other hobbies. Like destroying the environment.
MerToo
Gamble my ass. What was the *terrible risk* they took? Oh yes, "having to get another job & pay rent like the rest of us". Woo-hoo. Fuck 'em
malachilenomade
You sound bitter. Who broke your heart? Let it out, there are plenty of shoulders to cry on here.
HiddenSanity
Eh, plenty of game companies failed horribly, bankruptcy, debt, etc.
strcmdman
It's still risky today back then they didn't even have a real market and no systems were in place had to make their own software.
Paradox1111
Like anything that goes mainstream.. Early adopters do it out of passion.. Once the trend wave hits, it's about pandering to masses for $
dangerousmelon
The depressing thing is the developers, the people making the game, still do it out of passion, but the company is shackled to shareholders.
mentallychallengeaccepted
I’m not to sure about that. My friend works for a big gaming company and they drive them all in to the wall more or less
Paradox1111
Depends.. are they the original team.. or was it a java herder brought in to add to his resume? Plus Dev burnout is VERY real..
malachilenomade
But it's not pandering to the masses. If it were, the games would be better, microtransactions wouldn't exist, etc.
SunBrolem
Games are made to cater to the lowest common denominator. This translates to kids and casual players, who don't care about quality as much.
malachilenomade
Woah woah woah... as a casual, I resent that. I don't microtrans, I don't PVP, I want quality in my games.
Paradox1111
Hardcore gamers aren't the masses.. kids and casuals are.. the gamers are vocal because passionate...
Paradox1111
The masses are ok with Diabolo/Fallout/Battlefield because they play an hour here and there and feel they got their monies worth
malachilenomade
I'm a casual but I'm not going to play Diablo on the phone. That's a broad generalization.
Bob64
Steve jobs had a interview where he answers why market leaders fail. It's because once you have 100% market share, the marketing dept takes
Bob64
over, and runs the company instead of the product department. Why make a better product when there's no ROI - thus marketing makes decisions
Delvonshi
To be fair, Steve Jobs was a lot of what is wrong with most businesses today. Look up his business conduct and shudder.
heXonyou
Yeah you are a fool.
SunBrolem
Wow my eyes are opened, this argument has changed my viewpoint completely
Delvonshi
You sure gave me the razzle dazzle with that compelling argument. Might have even changed my mind with your overwhelming evidence.
Bob64
I'm not saying he's flawless. However, a quick google only dug up Elon Musk levels of misconduct. Got some recommended sources to read?
Aesurah
"noting also that he did away with all the company’s charity program" OK damn. I was curious too about him, but wow what a POS. 1/2
Aesurah
https://www.thenation.com/article/agony-and-ecstasy-and-disgrace-steve-jobs/ for source 2/2
Aesurah
https://www.mysanantonio.com/technology/businessinsider/article/The-memoir-by-Steve-Jobs-daughter-makes-clear-he-13183612.php
Aesurah
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/11/be-a-jerk-the-worst-business-lesson-from-the-steve-jobs-biography/249136/
Delvonshi
Sorry for the late reply, I appreciate @Aesurah stepping up in my place to toss a few links up. For that you have my upvote.
Aesurah
No problem, I learned a few things I didn't know, so thanks back at ya @Delvonshi
crimsonghost1
Public trading and became beholden to people that have absolutely no love for gaming. Just money. Shoehorning bs into properties to
Aesurah
The whole serve the shareholders above all else is a bad thing. As long as the shareholders are happy, they can do anything.
dccorona
Both of the games mentioned in the post were 1P Microsoft titles, which was a public company then. Activision and EA had both been public +
Dreigiau
1P? Assuming that's an abbreviation for single-player: Halo 2 definitely wasn't. If it's single-party, doesn't Bungie count?
dccorona
1st party, as in developed by Microsoft.
Dreigiau
So meaning primary developer is Microsoft, but allowing for supporting developers?
dccorona
- for a decade or more at the time as well. Zenimax (Bethesda) still isn’t. There’s no evidence whatsoever to suggest going public has +
dccorona
- anything to do with this.
BolenArrow
Yup I was reading a stock board and when it came to the diablo mobile people were like "Well if it goes up when it hits china, cool..." lol
crimsonghost1
If something takes off there, even for a small window, it's considered a success despite the West dumping it.
Warune
Probably cause 20% of humanity live there.
crimsonghost1
That's another massive problem the gaming industry is facing. They're not working for western tastes and pandering to China.
Aesurah
Then the Chinese government cracks down on the Chinese company they had to partner with and they get screwed, and whine about free markets.
crimsonghost1
Boost profit shares. It's sad and on a path to destruction.
qtRaven
Yeah. We're headed toward another video game crash like back in 1983. Hopefully Nintendo can save us from this one too.
RelativeVelocity
Nintendo is a shining beacon
2fligh2high
True. Stockmarket fuck shit up. Always about more money, not quality or sustainability.
strcmdman
Sad part is Steam proved the opposite true. Focus on quality and put it at the right price point and you print money but their too big now.
NacLac
Chasing profits not quality means you will end up with neither.
DeniseReade
Yeah... this mentality is why I stopped buying presales and wait a month after release before investing. I have saved so much money and rage
BasicMojo
More than that - once the original developers realized what was happening, they refused to sacrifice their artistic integrity for cash and /
BasicMojo
jumped ship. Game companies used to be populated by gamers. Now, everyone in positions of influence and power have lost touch with their /
BasicMojo
consumers, and it's a mad dash to appeal to the lowest common denominator to stay on top. Seriously - AAA is screwed. Look to the indies. /
Gurkenherr
Either way the users are determining the Profit in the end. If everybody gets sick of their bullshit they will have to change.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
You hit the nail right on the head. Big game companies no longer risk going out of business with one shitty game like companies did 1/?
ImHereToGetDownvotes
a few years ago. Now, you can toss out a shit game, nickel and dime those who buy it with day 1 DLC, season passes, micro transactions, 2/?
ImHereToGetDownvotes
loot boxes, etc. and report back to the shareholders, "Look how much money we're making!" 3/3
lordofshapes
This is a seriously underated comment. And I'm glad I read it. I've dreaded the end of gaming as I've known it, but you never know
GetSchwiftyClub
Look into V1 Interactive. A bunch of good talent has jumped ship and joined Lehto from Halo. I'm excited/optimistic to see what they do.
AIhaitham
Gaming as a whole will never die ,it's simply too big to die ,it's like saying sports are going to die off ,it's just not going to happen1/2
DeniseReade
People used to say banks were too big to fail and the housing market was too big to crash. We know better
AIhaitham
though formerly beloved companies such as blizzard and Bethesda could die ,which is a sad thought.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Nothing to dread as a consumer. Just dont buy shares in shitty publishers or games before the reviews and reactions are out.
strcmdman
It's when the major franchises embrace shady practices in mass that the gaming industry as a whole suffers then titles get bought out.
crimsonghost1
It's ok. We still have the indie devs making great titles.
TheEightfoldPath
If I ever get to release some of my projects I will never allow myself to be bought by some of these BS companies. It's to sell your soul.
PickledLightning
There are a few gem studios out there. More often though I see "indie" studios imitating "AAA" styles to make smaller cash cows.
strcmdman
It's sad because you see the same trend when the indies get big. It's something about the passion and risk that makes the greats.