What you can't see in this screenshot is the community note on Ian Miles Chong's reply about how he's written hundreds of articles about GTA5, so he's lying about it.
Games are meant to be an escape from reality. Maybe Elon doesn't play games that involve hurting people, for the same reason I don't play games that involve washing dishes or watering the garden
Wait, I'm confused. How is the first guy a pussy for not playing those games. Is there some context I'm missing? I get the criticism at musk and the other guy. Is Dan some notorious bootlicker of something?
The only reason I don't play GTA is 'cause I don't like games based on real life. (Yes, even when it can get insane like GTA) But it's a game. You are not actually shootin' cops you BUNCH OF MORONS.
One time I tweeted that I spent eight hours a day researching memes to protect my nine year old from cancellation and Ian quote tweeted me to get a dogpile going and there was one reply calling me a homo and then two DMs calling me various misspellings of 'phaggeto'.
It was ages ago and I was shitposting but I think the gist was I was concerned my kid would end up on the news for unwittingly posting a racist meme in roblox.
They were ok. They seemed great when I was a kid. 4 was terrible in my opinion. 5 definitely felt like a step up, but it's not anything I ever thought "I want to replay this"
GTA is interesting in that they essentially created the crime sandbox genre, while also being the most unexceptional members of said genre. They're good games, but they pale in comparison to their imitators.
When you say imitators, my mind goes to saints row. What other game. Maybe True Crime, but it's been forever since I've played it, so I could be wrong. What other imitators are there?
The Mafia series is a standout, and my personal favorite of the bunch, but there are a handful of other good ones, including True Crime and their spiritual successor, Sleeping Dogs.
The Saints Row series, the Mafia series (Mafia II being the best of four very good games, imo), and the True Crime series/Sleeping Dogs come immediately to mind, and from a mechanical perspective as opposed to a thematic one, you could also argue for the Just Cause series. Other entries in the genre from Rockstar would include the Red Dead games and LA Noir (again, more mechanically than thematically there).
They used to. More recent updates fixed a lot of the sudden spawning in, and even added MaxTac as a āyou fucked upā boss fight at high wanted level.
Protip: Start with the hacker. Hackers do more damage than people realise because it's all basically invisible. Shotguns are also your friend with the new damage system, especially the unique double barrel you can buy in the DLC area off of Pacifica.
I never beat a single GTA game because my inner chaos goblin is way too powerful. I am too weak for the distractions.
Especially because I love the custom online characters I made specifically for chaos-sowing. GTA Online is my tech hobo, and RDR2 is my Frontier Hobo. The Frontier Hobo is the most dangerous of all hobos, because it doesn't actually need anything from society, it just sometimes feels like taking instead of making.
I used to spend my time in RDR Online doing very little other than hunting. I had no interest in the town fights or bounty hunting... I'd just go out with my wagon and bring Cripps back a ton of stuff to work with.
when i was a kid in vice city, i liked to get a real nice car, drive around for a while picking the PERFECT radio station, then get 5 stars so i could drive around listening and watching the cops crash into everything left and right
In San Andreas my "game" of choice was Bikeman vs Cops, with as many cheats as were relevant(not counting godmode, that removes the stress, which is the fun part)
I spent hours in the attack helicopter doing vigilante cop missions (blowing up cars with a gotdamn Apache) while listening to Pressing Issues. I still have a lot of it memorized.
No, because they all have to come together to form it ... like Voltron. One is the Labia Majora, one is the Labia Minora and the third is the vaginal canal. Note the absence of the clitoris; that's because none of them can find it.
That and/or trying to gaslight people into a misrepresentation of said media. Both of the games mentioned have fucking STRONG narratives (each in their own very different ways lol) concerning power, corruption, class, race, greed, and unchecked capitalism turning into blatant oligarchy... kinda on the nose when it comes to themes that would benefit Musk if he could manage to twist them, right? He isn't the first either, look back through popular films/music/literature and some "interpretations"
Elmo and the other guy posted about not wanting to shoot cops in video games, which is performative and pandering, but I don't see how that's manipulating me to question my grip on reality. Misrepresenting something isn't gaslighting. Unless you weren't referring to the post. I'm aware of how futile typing all this is, but I guess I don't have anything better to do while I finish my coffee.
I would argue that the scale of it (his audience) in combination with it being a public forum is what makes it gaslighting. I was speaking more about his mention of cyberpunk than GTA really. I see your point though.
Also he has a history of misinterpreting various narratives in media (often speaking about sci-fi) and trying to co-opt them for his own weird opinions.
If you're talking about No Russian then they actually weren't under orders by the government. In fact, Makarov hated the current government for ousting him from rhe party after he was considered too extreme.
You must have lived under a rock then, No Russian has been infamous and a meme since it came out. It was a level because it makes sense in the story. And for shock value probably.
Because you can sell a game off the back of controversy. It also lays the groundwork for the whole plot of the game to take place. Where a Russian Ultra nationalist frames the CIA and US military for the crime, which kicks off a war between Russia and the US. It's not a great plot, but it does at least track.
CoD was not celebrating terrorism. Also important to remember that this was before mass shootings were the norm in America and terrorism was still mostly an idea. Post 9/11 but before the world got so fucked.
MW2 released in 2009. Columbine was a decade prior. The fact that most people choose to ignore all the mass shootings doesn't mean they weren't happening.
For one, you cant honestly appreviate White Phosphorous to WP and expect anyone to knownwhat youre talking about.
Honestly thought you were talking about a white power sequence.
And, at least that tracks, like, plot-wise.
Honestly, i kind of like the point its making. That even if the soldier pulls the trigger, the decision to kill civilians has been made higher up in the chain. Its out of your hands.
The decision is you can just stop playing the game. Officers above you didn't tell you to use WP mortar rounds. You chose to continue to advance in the game, no matter the cost. It's why SpecOps is such a great game, despite it being a mid-tier shooter, because it makes a strong statement on glorification of war in so many other shooters.
It's more if you know of Spec Ops: The Line, you know of that scene and you know what WP stands for. If you don't, then their comment stands and worst case you Google it to see what they're talking about. If you assume it's about white power and refuse to look up the context, that's on you.
I played about 15 minutes of the first mission in spec ops and I caught what you were was being discussed, but if someone is unfamiliar with the game in question I can see where there might be some confusion.
From a cynical marketing perspective: controversy sells. Giving them the benefit of the doubt: COD has always had a strong tendency to make sure the player is at the center of every major plot development and is seeing it from a first person perspective. There's also a nuclear bomb scene in another game where there's no gameplay besides walking away from a helicopter crash and then collapsing. It's just a thing for the series.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I really like when games can make you emotionally distraught like this level did to me. It made me like MW2 even more to be honest...
For context on the airport shooting, it's basically the entire plot of MW2. A terrorist commits a mass shooting at a Russian airport and frames the American military, Russia goes to war with the US in response. It's still a pretty fucked up mission and they warn you so you can skip it.
Also, as the player, you can walk through the whole thing without firing a shot. You can play the role. I hate Activision and call of duty at this point in my life. 20 years ago, I really loved the game. However, I don't think I'd ever play another cod game.
Iirc in the German version you actually had to just walk through it since shooting a civilian would instantly cause a game over. Germany used to have crazy strict censorship laws for games until very recently.
There was definitely a brief time where Infinity Ward was putting out genuinely good Call of Duty titles. It's been a cash grab since after MW3 though.
Could you skip it in the original? I know some of the games had a warning like: "you're about to be in some really fucked up shit are you sure you want to play?"
I don't know if "frames" is the correct way to put it. You play as a CIA operative attempting to infiltrate said terrorist organization by committing an act of terror. So, technically, the American military did do it. And since you're the only one that gets... ...found... afterwards.
Well you don't have to fire a single shot as the Cia operative. I wouldn't say the American government did it, as much as they knew it was going to happen, had someone in position to stop it, and let it happen for profit.
woozle
Kristi nailed it
METROlD
So its OK to shoot all the other people?
WellAckchually
Elon: Wait a minute, these crimes aren't white collar at all
doctorId
Way to wear right through the leather with your tongues there, guys
Frustaz
I played them all for the sole purpose of shooting cops
Badgerbadgerson3
Wouldn't that make it the 4th biggest, if it's behind 3 others?
Oatmealman1
Lmao, as if any normal person would believe that bs 𤣠Elon is a Nazi, that IS a crime
kJerAFK
Weird, I avoid killing strippers and hobos in GTA, but I kill cops for fun
StephenDaniels
No Vice City, no San Andreas on the list, yet GTA 6 is on the list. What about GTAs 7 through 146? Why aren't they mentioned?
Edutittam
Ian Miles Cheong is from Malaysia. Which btw Twitter has not applied for their new social media license in the country. He's gonna lose his mind, lol.
ssjalhazred
What you can't see in this screenshot is the community note on Ian Miles Chong's reply about how he's written hundreds of articles about GTA5, so he's lying about it.
skincancerisfun
Games are meant to be an escape from reality. Maybe Elon doesn't play games that involve hurting people, for the same reason I don't play games that involve washing dishes or watering the garden
nobodyspecial995
I played multiplayer GTA1 and 2, was fun as hell. After that I lost interest. (Yes I'm old)
Merdock
Wait, I'm confused. How is the first guy a pussy for not playing those games. Is there some context I'm missing? I get the criticism at musk and the other guy. Is Dan some notorious bootlicker of something?
SomeDetroitGuy
General assumption is anyone with a blue checkmark is a fascie.
Knaxia
He never mentioned Vice City, San Andreas, chinatown wars, LCS and VCS.. Means he might have played those.
gnomedeplume
means he hasn't played any of them
eetsumkaus
"I don't like doing crime. I would rather change the rules so I can do what I want"
ShadeMeadowsArt
The only reason I don't play GTA is 'cause I don't like games based on real life.
(Yes, even when it can get insane like GTA)
But it's a game.
You are not actually shootin' cops you BUNCH OF MORONS.
diemajorthrilldie
One time I tweeted that I spent eight hours a day researching memes to protect my nine year old from cancellation and Ian quote tweeted me to get a dogpile going and there was one reply calling me a homo and then two DMs calling me various misspellings of 'phaggeto'.
shitheadtookmyname
I literally have no idea what you mean by protect your 9yo from cancellation.
diemajorthrilldie
It was ages ago and I was shitposting but I think the gist was I was concerned my kid would end up on the news for unwittingly posting a racist meme in roblox.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Spot on.
SinisterSlaw
I never played GTA but I am really looking forward to playing GTA6.
williamvanauger
Wow. Good work bootlickers. I have police friends who played it but I'm glad these idiots are willing to announce they will let the cops step on them.
hawkeye2816
Wait, has *anyone* played GTA6?
hullabanana
Coming fall 2025, sept-nov for non merkans
wanjeonhanwalwal
QA people? Developers? Do they count?
BlindGardener
GTA 1 and 2 were fun.
The rest? Iāve not played them because they didnāt look fun to me.
Merdock
They were ok. They seemed great when I was a kid. 4 was terrible in my opinion. 5 definitely felt like a step up, but it's not anything I ever thought "I want to replay this"
NowhereMan313
GTA is interesting in that they essentially created the crime sandbox genre, while also being the most unexceptional members of said genre. They're good games, but they pale in comparison to their imitators.
Merdock
When you say imitators, my mind goes to saints row. What other game. Maybe True Crime, but it's been forever since I've played it, so I could be wrong. What other imitators are there?
NowhereMan313
The Mafia series is a standout, and my personal favorite of the bunch, but there are a handful of other good ones, including True Crime and their spiritual successor, Sleeping Dogs.
wanjeonhanwalwal
Yakuza also gets referred to as a GTA clone.
CatEyebrows
Yea, Iām curious as well. This is the first time Iāve heard ācrime sandbox genreā
Itās perfect description of those games
NowhereMan313
The Saints Row series, the Mafia series (Mafia II being the best of four very good games, imo), and the True Crime series/Sleeping Dogs come immediately to mind, and from a mechanical perspective as opposed to a thematic one, you could also argue for the Just Cause series. Other entries in the genre from Rockstar would include the Red Dead games and LA Noir (again, more mechanically than thematically there).
SkinnerTBD
Yes, shooting cops is one of the many options you have access to in Cyberpunk. I prefer to make them shoot each other cause it's funnier.
kubi
I just knock them out with the dildo.
Comet260
I like doing the same, but with gangoons. Upload the Cyberpsycho hack to the tank of the group, hide and laugh my ass off.
battery1979
I prefer giving them virtual Spanish Influenza.
SoftKleenex
Don't they all magically gang up on you in the end?
TheMilliner
They used to. More recent updates fixed a lot of the sudden spawning in, and even added MaxTac as a āyou fucked upā boss fight at high wanted level.
BenHobson
Even at max level on easy I still can't beat them all. I think I can do 3 before they get me, although I have only attempted in pursuit of the trophy.
TheMilliner
Protip: Start with the hacker. Hackers do more damage than people realise because it's all basically invisible. Shotguns are also your friend with the new damage system, especially the unique double barrel you can buy in the DLC area off of Pacifica.
Oatmealman1
Bahaha, make the cops get cyber psychosis is great
tenthousandwinters
And they say liberals are all social justice warriors and virtue signalers.
gnomedeplume
there's a more appropriate term for these dipsticks: culture war tourists
numbonvalium
Iam Miles Cheong pretended to be one for a long time, he was one of the Anita Sarkeesian orbiters.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
Fucking lmao. Jumping from someone like her's orbit to Musk's is a hell of a paradigm shift.
numbonvalium
Not really, jumping from one grifter sinking ship to another seems like a natural progression for people like this.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
I meant more that Sarkeesian and Musk cater to wildly different crowds despite both being grifters.
dingofdong
Not quite sure how sarkeesian is a grifter? None of the "accusations" I've seen levelled at her ever held any water
aflarge
I never beat a single GTA game because my inner chaos goblin is way too powerful. I am too weak for the distractions.
Especially because I love the custom online characters I made specifically for chaos-sowing. GTA Online is my tech hobo, and RDR2 is my Frontier Hobo. The Frontier Hobo is the most dangerous of all hobos, because it doesn't actually need anything from society, it just sometimes feels like taking instead of making.
battery1979
I enjoy calling RDR2 Grand Theft Equine.
TheUnnamedPoet
I used to spend my time in RDR Online doing very little other than hunting. I had no interest in the town fights or bounty hunting... I'd just go out with my wagon and bring Cripps back a ton of stuff to work with.
aflarge
I like seeing how long I can kill cops with only bows and hatchets.
aflarge
Thrown hatchet kills feel unreasonably cool in that game
candar
when i was a kid in vice city, i liked to get a real nice car, drive around for a while picking the PERFECT radio station, then get 5 stars so i could drive around listening and watching the cops crash into everything left and right
aflarge
Ah vice city. I used to use cheats and lower gravity while spawning tanks, and flying them with the canon
Wikipedo
I used to do wheelies up and down the city on that dirt bike. Perfect balance.
aflarge
In San Andreas my "game" of choice was Bikeman vs Cops, with as many cheats as were relevant(not counting godmode, that removes the stress, which is the fun part)
aflarge
I don't remember the cheats but I remember bunny hopping over skyscrapers and laughing like an unhinged lunatic
beez428
I spent hours in the attack helicopter doing vigilante cop missions (blowing up cars with a gotdamn Apache) while listening to Pressing Issues. I still have a lot of it memorized.
aflarge
I don't think I'd love apache helicopters if they were named anything else. I'll admit when I'm a superficial bitch, I'm not ashamed. Cool-ass name.
Blakeadelic
Wouldnāt the Blue Whale be 4th?
jtxyz
BigBlueWonder
Because the first one, is just a person listing some games he never played. Not a pussy per se.
HandsomePenguin
Because all three of them are equal sized pussies.
PineappleLoopsBroether
How is this not the top comment?
TurduckenMcNugget
No, because they all have to come together to form it ... like Voltron. One is the Labia Majora, one is the Labia Minora and the third is the vaginal canal. Note the absence of the clitoris; that's because none of them can find it.
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
3-way tied equal for first, second largest gets second place. Guinness World Record rules for pussy size I'm afraid.
witless1
As usual the right can't separate media from reality.
SirBonSama
didn't Elon Muck walk into the studio that made Cyberpunk with an antique gun and demanded to be put in the game?
CorGoBrrrr
To be fair... that was before he had any way of knowing the game would have you play as a punk. /s
wodansring
yes. hes always been a huge fan. hence his girl is in it too.
JustAPileOfCats
Holy shit, he did. š
Evillairforrent
Ah if only....i'd get Cyberpunk just to shoot him
VadersCallGirl
I feel this deep in my soul
wanjeonhanwalwal
I'd even be ok with a bug infested build from before it was originally released to be able to do that.
spookyu
That and/or trying to gaslight people into a misrepresentation of said media. Both of the games mentioned have fucking STRONG narratives (each in their own very different ways lol) concerning power, corruption, class, race, greed, and unchecked capitalism turning into blatant oligarchy... kinda on the nose when it comes to themes that would benefit Musk if he could manage to twist them, right? He isn't the first either, look back through popular films/music/literature and some "interpretations"
nikored
That's not gaslighting
spookyu
....yes it is, it is manipulating someone into questioning their reality, which is exactly what I just described.
nikored
Elmo and the other guy posted about not wanting to shoot cops in video games, which is performative and pandering, but I don't see how that's manipulating me to question my grip on reality. Misrepresenting something isn't gaslighting. Unless you weren't referring to the post. I'm aware of how futile typing all this is, but I guess I don't have anything better to do while I finish my coffee.
spookyu
I would argue that the scale of it (his audience) in combination with it being a public forum is what makes it gaslighting. I was speaking more about his mention of cyberpunk than GTA really. I see your point though.
spookyu
Also he has a history of misinterpreting various narratives in media (often speaking about sci-fi) and trying to co-opt them for his own weird opinions.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
These guys all love the airport level in cod.
PorneliusHubertII
Ngl, I went kinda overboard the first time I played No Russian. It was crazy they let you just go ham on civilians like that in a game.
LordKewn
One of the best missions in any game made.
WillyVanilli
Remember, no Russian
Tigersterne
They'll all say they took the option to skip the level...
Knowfear1337
But we know they all replayed it a few times
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ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
You know the terrorists in that stage are Russians under orders from the Russian government, right?
Lichelf
If you're talking about No Russian then they actually weren't under orders by the government.
In fact, Makarov hated the current government for ousting him from rhe party after he was considered too extreme.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
My mistake. But still, putin doesn't give a shit about killing Russians anyways, which is what the deleted comment was saying.
SneakyGaryTheSerialHorseDrowner
If you think that'd upset Putin you've not been paying attention.
MechanicalRomance
Ive nust looked this up and wtf?
How have i not heard ofnthis before?
Why was it ever a level?
Lichelf
You must have lived under a rock then, No Russian has been infamous and a meme since it came out.
It was a level because it makes sense in the story. And for shock value probably.
BigRobbo
Because you can sell a game off the back of controversy. It also lays the groundwork for the whole plot of the game to take place. Where a Russian Ultra nationalist frames the CIA and US military for the crime, which kicks off a war between Russia and the US. It's not a great plot, but it does at least track.
Arbitrarynamehere
Cinema
Goldensands
Dumb question. The real "why was this ever a thing in cod" reaction is "press f to feels".
MattTheImperialRadarTechnician
(No one tell this guy about the WP mission in SpecOps:The Line)
MrE158
That game is so good. Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse now as a modern shooter. Mechanically dull, but awesome storytelling.
Gayforbae
Yeah but spec ops was making a political and societal point about the glorification of war in games
Theory89
CoD was not celebrating terrorism. Also important to remember that this was before mass shootings were the norm in America and terrorism was still mostly an idea. Post 9/11 but before the world got so fucked.
nemesisx00
MW2 released in 2009. Columbine was a decade prior. The fact that most people choose to ignore all the mass shootings doesn't mean they weren't happening.
MechanicalRomance
For one, you cant honestly appreviate White Phosphorous to WP and expect anyone to knownwhat youre talking about.
Honestly thought you were talking about a white power sequence.
And, at least that tracks, like, plot-wise.
Honestly, i kind of like the point its making. That even if the soldier pulls the trigger, the decision to kill civilians has been made higher up in the chain. Its out of your hands.
The airport scene just doesnt make sense.
MattTheImperialRadarTechnician
The decision is you can just stop playing the game. Officers above you didn't tell you to use WP mortar rounds. You chose to continue to advance in the game, no matter the cost. It's why SpecOps is such a great game, despite it being a mid-tier shooter, because it makes a strong statement on glorification of war in so many other shooters.
Eiladar
Made sense from a storyline perspective, but absolutely pointless as something you had to play through.
MechanicalRomance
I mean... its a videgame?
If it makes sense storywise, how else would it be included wxcept for you to play througb it?
PrincessBatCat
It's more if you know of Spec Ops: The Line, you know of that scene and you know what WP stands for. If you don't, then their comment stands and worst case you Google it to see what they're talking about. If you assume it's about white power and refuse to look up the context, that's on you.
bazookajake12000
I played about 15 minutes of the first mission in spec ops and I caught what you were was being discussed, but if someone is unfamiliar with the game in question I can see where there might be some confusion.
MattTheImperialRadarTechnician
Exactly. If you know, you know.
MechanicalRomance
I mean, i obviously googled it. It just took more effort cause i didnt know what i was lookimg for.
johnxbear
I assumed it was wet pussy mission.
stackcollision
From a cynical marketing perspective: controversy sells.
Giving them the benefit of the doubt: COD has always had a strong tendency to make sure the player is at the center of every major plot development and is seeing it from a first person perspective. There's also a nuclear bomb scene in another game where there's no gameplay besides walking away from a helicopter crash and then collapsing. It's just a thing for the series.
Blank1612
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I really like when games can make you emotionally distraught like this level did to me. It made me like MW2 even more to be honest...
Kreviathan
For context on the airport shooting, it's basically the entire plot of MW2. A terrorist commits a mass shooting at a Russian airport and frames the American military, Russia goes to war with the US in response.
It's still a pretty fucked up mission and they warn you so you can skip it.
Tumescentpie
Also, as the player, you can walk through the whole thing without firing a shot. You can play the role. I hate Activision and call of duty at this point in my life. 20 years ago, I really loved the game. However, I don't think I'd ever play another cod game.
Lichelf
Iirc in the German version you actually had to just walk through it since shooting a civilian would instantly cause a game over. Germany used to have crazy strict censorship laws for games until very recently.
Kreviathan
There was definitely a brief time where Infinity Ward was putting out genuinely good Call of Duty titles. It's been a cash grab since after MW3 though.
lMrBodybagl
Learning you can skip it:
DocWats
Could you skip it in the original? I know some of the games had a warning like: "you're about to be in some really fucked up shit are you sure you want to play?"
nemesisx00
I don't know if "frames" is the correct way to put it. You play as a CIA operative attempting to infiltrate said terrorist organization by committing an act of terror. So, technically, the American military did do it. And since you're the only one that gets... ...found... afterwards.
Tumescentpie
Well you don't have to fire a single shot as the Cia operative. I wouldn't say the American government did it, as much as they knew it was going to happen, had someone in position to stop it, and let it happen for profit.