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DocTanner
I wish Imgur would do something to eliminate these bot accounts.
DuelingBrothers
No I think I was learning the finer points on not shitting my pants at the time.
coronalmassejection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_the_Messenger_(2014_film)
Feralkyn
Stoooooooop repooooooooosting this buuuuuuuuuuuuuuullshit. It's debunked EVERY time you shitheaps repost it.
Ifyouthinkimseriousyoumissedthejoke
This gets debunked every time it comes up and it always makes front fucking page. Easy money it seems.
Patch870
This isn't a meme. Half the posts in the meme category aren't memes anymore.
oiikeg1i
90s? think you mean 80s skip
LuckilyItsJustMe
The CIA has admitted to selling drugs to fund black operations like MK ULTRA, after this mans death...during the freedom of information act.
cake123321
i dont know anything about this guy, but I have a real hard time believing the CIA was dealing drugs.. to raise money??? cmon
BahamutBBob
Funny tag inappropriate. Easy point bait. (Never pet this die) But I want to upvote it anyway. I won't, because it's not fucking funny.
OmnipotentBeing
When I see posts about heroes like this in the age of CORONA. https://imgur.com/UyyjDyI
michaelfire
intel needs reform too https://diplopundit.net/2019/04/24/pompeo-swaggers-into-the-bright-light-we-lied-we-cheated-we-stole-laughter/
michaelfire
intel needs reform too not just police https://theintercept.com/2014/09/25/managing-nightmare-cia-media-destruction-gary-webb/
Animorphs
Decriminalize drugs.
underwoodf
How many times will this fly to the frontpage
hesbeginningtobelieve
I’m not making any claims either way, just waiting for the people to come in and disprove this then scold everybody.
ChrisCorona
Why does this keep making it back to the front page? Not accurate; debunked; yet it will be back next week.
xxzachx
You wanna know something real!? The illegal sale of firearms to people believed to be connected to the cartel!
Miller16of16
Hector Berrellez, DEA field agent.
"I know that CIA contract workers were bringing drugs into the US and landing in government air bases.">
Miller16of16
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/cia.html
humaneffigy
You're gullible.
thexian
Funny how it says "to his head" but doesn't specify where. Couldn't be that the first shot went through his cheek so he had to try again. /s
Sleepy360
Not substantiated - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb
LaughingSeraphim
Wow. A Wikipedia article. I guess that puts a nail in its coffin, as Wikipedia is a solid peer reviewed source and not a social media site.
murlokotam
Looks like they found "some evidence" for pretty much every allegation, but "not enough evidence" to put CIA into dumpster.
twozerooz
There's also "some evidence" for the Earth being flat and global warming being a hoax.
ButtTrumpett
Ok I mean I read most of this and I just be missing something. I agree he may not have been murdered but I do fairly believe the conspiracy
ButtTrumpett
Involving the contras and CIA finding through untraceable means....
twozerooz
Given that there's literally zero evidence of that, why would you choose to believe such a thing?
Dagordae
You mean Iran-Contra? The thing that was publicly revealed a decade before his story? The thing Reagan admitted to on national television?
DownvotesRmyBadgeUvadge
There's sucker born every minute.
DownvotesRmyBadgeUvadge
Gary Webb invented the World Wide Webb.
kitamuramiike
Anybody got a reputable source?
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kitamuramiike
Ah! Of course! How foolish of me!
Miller16of16
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/cia.html >
Miller16of16
Hector Berrellez, DEA field agent. "I know that CIA contract workers were bringing drugs into the US and landing in government air bases."
Psychobabblejj
There is none. He was wrong.
LeChez
Gary himself said he never claimed the CIA trafficked anything. Said he couldn't get anywhere because, "they never answered my calls" He 1/2
LeChez
was pretty sure they were. You can look up CIA: Americas Secret Warriors. It's a Dupont Columbia Journalism award winner. 2/2
anotherprosaicusername
Debunked - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/cia.html
Pieala
PBS is in the pocket of MSM.
twozerooz
Sarcasm or just dumb?
Pieala
Serious. Maybe they just have one leg in, but they are headed there.
Miller16of16
Not really, only the scale of operations. From your link: >
Miller16of16
Hector Berrellez, DEA field agent. "I know that CIA contract workers were bringing drugs into the US and landing in government air bases."
twozerooz
Yeah, so an individual brings in a couple grams of cocaine? How does this equate to a massive CIA conspiracy??
Miller16of16
It wasn't an individual, nobody knows how much was being brought in, but it was being done with CIA airbase in ElSalvador and landed in US>
Miller16of16
while CIA maintained "relations" with known smugglers for years after they were ID'd as such by DEA. Sounds a lot less "debunked" and that>
twozerooz
According to one guy who said one guy told him, but never said what amount or how many people. Uh huh. Yet all thorough investigations
GreyArea51
I think by this point, everyone knows ALL governments are corrupt beyond redemption.
ZeitgeistWurst
Grimmn
So burn them.
AxelBeingCivil
They aren't, though; corrupt, yes, but not beyond redemption. It's a long, hard fight to fix that, but it can be fixed.
Ambeam
Oh so its ok then? Ffs
saysomethingcool
But only when the other guy is in charge! That's when the Pres has to much power! That's when the corruption happens, not with my guy
DushBid911
Exaaaaaccctttlllyyy. Dems can go fuck themselves. Republicans can go fuck themselves. Gimme something new.
Alkuam2
Like this?
agenttwelve
I have this freshly made toast you can have
PreMalignant
I don’t. But maybe that’s because I live in Western Europe. Care to explain?
TheDuke0fHazzard
"I live in the EU, and therefore know nothing about corruption"
PreMalignant
At least not to the extent currently witnessed in the US of A. Or Brazil. Or... you name it.
MoonPieTown
There's literally no political system in human history that hasn't quickly led to corruption of those in power at the expense of the people.
MisterFoxinator
Hello from Norway ;)
MoonPieTown
Not trying to be pessimistic...just repeating what some historians have said.
AxelBeingCivil
This is a true statement but it ignores also the immense strides made against and despite this. The idea that government can exist in a (1)
AxelBeingCivil
Platonic state, never needing action or attention to correct its course, or, worse, that it can never be fixed at all, is a part of how (2)
PreMalignant
Umhhh... I would maybe draw a line between “are corrupt” and “at some time in human history”...
DotcoreJetkill
He shot himself TWICE!
ArmathyAndTheUnfinishedBusiness
They double tapped him. It's a militarty thing.
SickSickIndividual
*military thing* You mean call of duty thing...
ClearBlue
That is quite possible. The second shot mat have been an instinctive reflex as he died.
SvartTe
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25845674/
VyseN
Always doubletap to avoid zombies!
Feralkyn
It was YEARS later. He left notes and settled his estate. Something like 2% of gunshot suicides are 2+ shots.
SvartTe
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22152440/
Hirnuvahamsteri
Only falling from roof away from 'Russian suicide'.
SankariSuomi
This is not uncommon. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090536X11000347
jayforpay
In the head, no less!
Stenosa83
Medically not possible, but highly unlikely.
Feralkyn
2-3% of gunshot suicides take more than one shot. This guy left notes and had everything settled and it was years after these incidents.
Stenosa83
I meant medically not impossible lol idk what happened there.
Feralkyn
Ahhh gotcha!
lordstinkynuts
Not uncommon, people sometimes meas up the first due to flinching or just dont line up right and have to fire a second shot
CarbonNight
He wouldn't have had the focus to grab the gun try again or even have been able to keep himself steady.
RobBobertyYT
Shock can allow you to do things in a situation where you should only be able to scream.
Sawsomebullshit
That's a silly notion. I knew a guy that shot himself through the roof of the mouth and then thought better of it and dialed for help. 1/2
Sawsomebullshit
2/2 the round had shattered on the roof of his mouth, tore up his nasal passage and part of his brain. Still managed to work a phone after.
KnifeFight
Love how everyone saying it's been debunked but no body is giving sources ?♂️
twozerooz
There's been numerous investigations. Most are cited here already. Dont be willfully ignorant.
murlokotam
I see that they found evidence for all counts, but made it go away: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb
twozerooz
Your Source shows they found no evidence, actually.
LaughingSeraphim
Wikipedia is not a valid source of information. If you think so, your standards for information are garbage.
murlokotam
Wikipedia articles have these little lists of citations at the bottom. Something imgur opinions seldom have.
Miller16of16
Because every source actually confirms 90% of his reporting. They point at the remaining 10% and call BS on everything.
Feralkyn
It's more the suicide. Look at the sources listed here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb#Death and be aware that he'd settled all-
Feralkyn
his affairs in advance, left letters/suicide notes, and that it was years after the 'exposure' of the CIA.
Miller16of16
The suicide is almost 100% certainty legit. His sources really were under investigation or had dealing with CIA. CIA links to drug trade >
Miller16of16
go back to working with Kuomintang in China just after Communist victory, Nam era heroin and continue to the present day
twozerooz
What 90%? You mean all of the non conspiracy elements? "The sky is blue and global warming is a hoax". Oh look, 50% correct.
Miller16of16
The "CIA contractors are bringing in drugs and returning with $, using CIA airfields and aircraft" part.
twozerooz
Which is false. Same with the murdered bit. So pretty much every part involving a conspiracy is false.
Miller16of16
“It is clear that individuals...involved in drug trafficking… included…payments to drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department >
BuzzLightBeard
I see we are still using the “meme” and “funny” tags on post that aren’t either..
ThatPAMTHorseGal
I came here to say this, but I knew in my heart it had already been said.
MisterPeachum
What do you think a meme is?
AlrightlyThen
meme is used twice
twozerooz
It is, considering this conspiracy is complete nonsense, and there's still people dumb enough to upvote it.
hoistedbymyownpetard
It is kinda funny that this Man obviously murdered and it was swept under the rug by the authorities... and nobody cared.
ButtTrumpett
To be fair this post wouldn’t of made the front page without them and it did need exposure so, don’t hate the player hate the game?
Imjusthereforrecipes
Nah, hate the player. It’s a bot
ButtTrumpett
Sheeeeit hate the decepticon it is
Knarlybot
11 FOUR
CitizenClam
Possible bot? All their posts have . for the title
Snoopy101x
It's a bot account. Look at the title of ALL their posts.
kitterskills
WTF why is this "funny" OP
Snoopy101x
Op is a repost bot
iAppdata
Gotta use the tags that have the highest traffic. More upvotes! -OP probably
ImFragileOops
To be fair it IS raising more awareness over the matter, which is what they’re trying to do.
derock789
bRO I GOtTa GeT ThE WOrD OuT
DiscoTurtle87
MUH INTERNET POINTS!!!
Exevium
They're valuable okay
KaptainObveeus
Well it worked
TheLifeIsYours
Tags don't work like that on Imgur...
EccentricNimoy
Wasn't this debunked?
Theauthenticdonaldtrump
Yeah
gurimalla47
If you are focused on winning an ideological war, you are probably not focused on the law enforcement consequenses of what you are doing.
grant92
Each time it gets reposted here...
ShirleyYouCantBcereus
Yes, but propagandists never really cared about facts.
ochermes28
Absolutely. The Mercury News who published the story backed down from his claims. He couldn’t get a job with the mainstream media afterwards
didntknowyou
And reposted every week
ATerribleArtist
Yet it makes it to fp every week...
twozerooz
Every time it's posted here.... Imgur kids don't bother reading though
DulothX
Not exactly. Webb was mostly reiterating information that had already been known for a good while, but mostly supressed by the media.(1)
DulothX
He fabricated details or relied on unknown sources for information for things that weren't already known, but the story is mostly true.2
Psychobabblejj
All the times
Sko0sh
That’s the whole point. Of course it’s going to be “debunked” That’s what they want you to believe. people fall for traps time nd time again
SimiKusoni
Funnily enough this image is leaving out important details, if you have the time I would suggest you look into why the dark alliance
SimiKusoni
series was criticised rather than assume a conspiracy. Even double headshot suicides are relatively common, especially with low calibre guns
gurimalla47
In the back of your head?
SimiKusoni
He wasn't shot in the back of the head: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-mar-16-et-webb16-story.html
dogsarebetterhummas24
as CIA would like you to think
gringissimo
Webb made a lot of assertions that were not completely substantiated. Not air-tight, but not Pizzagate level BS either.
murlokotam
You say the CIA debunked it? Phew, we can stop worrying now. And when they shipped machine guns to Mexican cartels, not debunked yet?
TheWhiteBarry
Every reply in this thread: TOTALLY DEBUNKED! OH YOU WANT PROOF GO TO GOOGLE!1!1
JollyJokzr
Not really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb#Views_on_%22Dark_Alliance%22_series
HyenDry
Wouldn’t the best case scenario for the CIA, this information being considered “debunked”??
Dagordae
Fascinating logic. Of course, said logic means that we need to believe literally everything bad about the CIA. Because it would be good for
Dagordae
The CIA if we didn’t think they were a Communist agency doping the water supply with fluoride to reduce the intelligence of the population
Dagordae
In order to increase the effectiveness of their mind control technology.
HyenDry
I don’t think you need to go that far to control the narrative but okay friend
maddcovv
Nice try CIA!
nickwinters
Not quite. There were problems, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The drug ring in the series did have connections to 1/
nickwinters
the Contras, and the CIA had a lot of connections to the Contras (Iran-Contra). The CIA had intervened in the case of at least one drug 2/
nickwinters
smuggler. Webb's conclusions of the CIA creating the drug trade may be exaggerated, but he got pretty close to the mark wrt to the CIA 3/
nickwinters
profiting from it and using it for their own ends. 4/4
dogsarebetterhummas24
Also there was a LiTERALL movie about this
swisscheese4u
?
33WhiskeyTX
As opposed to a metaphorical movie, or a proverbial movie? A hyperbolic movie, perhaps?
spiffylookingnerfherder
Freeway? https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3548962/
dogsarebetterhummas24
even had tom cruise as the main actor https://youtu.be/AEBIJRAkujM
PaulHavingABall
I don’t remember him at all in American Made. Was it as small part?
ravenousj
There is one actor who plays same character in Kill the Messenger and American Made.
NerdyPickles
I've never even heard of this movie. Thank you for this information.
CALAMOSCOPYJANE
Me neither, thanks!
Fr1edToast
OBVIOUSLY. It’s the CIA not a terrorist group.
Dagordae
Yeah, no. The CIA has done quite a lot a very nasty stuff. Including including what Webb used as the basis for his bullshit: Iran-Contra.
Dagordae
You know, when the CIA sold guns to Iran to fund the Contras. Arming one terrorist group to fund a second. It was kind of a big deal.
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
Yeah they are worse than terrorists. State terrorism at the service of the capitalist murica
Fr1edToast
We have a conspiracy theorist over here. I bet you think Russia is telling voters who to vote for too.
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
What? I'm not american. I have obly Heard that stupid shit from them. Also not a conspiracy at all, is just the transparent system you live
CraicFiend87
The CIA have blood on their hands for helping to overthrow multiple democratically elected governments. They are a terrorist group.
Fr1edToast
Meh. Pretty low bar. Stalin was “democratically elected”
Fr1edToast
They just leave their own behind. Like Benghazi.
mayodash
Which part?
twozerooz
All the conspiracy parts.
caine224
Most of it
Rangermcclure
All of it
melmboundanddown
Just the suicide, that appears to be true.
illegalcolor
I know it's debunked. But this post doesn't say it was not a suicide. It just says it was "ruled a suicide".
woodsandhillsplc
Not all of it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb#Views_on_%22Dark_Alliance%22_series
KnifeFight
Wikipedia is a terrible source lmao
spyderj
Wikipedia isn't a source in and of itself: it aggregates information from relevant sources.
illegalcolor
This might help: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/gary-webb-was-no-journalism-hero-despite-what-kill-the-messenger-says/2014/10/17/02
Coldin
Link is getting cut off from character limit. But just search for Gary Webb and the article will show up.
terrablesepller
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=gary+webb+washington+post
iHateMyselfButIHateYouMore
Actual working theoretically permanent no ad-wall link http">n/0GoNz">http://archive.vn/0GoNz (archive.today is neat)
inkslinger530
Dead link
animatronicChristmasChickens
Just like Gary Webb
Autocorrekt
Illuminati confirmed
GSteve9
Working link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/gary-webb-was-no-journalism-hero-despite-what-kill-the-messenger-says/2014/10/17/026b7
sut3k
I'm beginning to think this isn't debunked but is still being covered up...
dogsarebetterhummas24
actively....
dogsarebetterhummas24
nice try cEA :)
ZombieZooZombieZoo
So many times
Jswizzlenizzle
What was debunked about it? This is the first time Ive heard about it.
Ermahgerdness
Seems like there’s not enough evidence to support most of the claims (only based on a quick Wikipedia read)
spontaneous9
Maybe you weren't where I was in the 80s, but I distinctly recall a seriously suspicious FLOOD TIDE of cocaine hitting the streets back then
elgalileo
If that's the first time your heard about it, you should be cautious and research, instead of blindly believe "text and picture on Imgur".
keebs63
IIRC he published false evidence (though his hypothesis turned out to be true), also two shot suicides are an actual thing, though rare.
TrustMeImADog
So actually nothing in the post is incorrect...?
keebs63
Lies by omission are still lies. Mainstream media "vilified" him because he literally fabricated sources and evidence.
SonOfSeinfeld
Two shot suicides are a thing but are rare? Are you a government employee?
andyonetime
Popular media would have us believe that if a bullet touches you anywhere you die instantly. This is often not the case even with headwinds
keebs63
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_gunshot_suicide real life isn't a video game, sometimes a headshot does not kill you in one shot.
ko0ji9hu82718
No. But if the CIA, wanted to cover up a murder. They wouldn't shoot someone in the head twice, then frame it as suicide.
OldGreyBeast
Buddy of mine is an ER nurse. Had a guy shoot himself in the head with a .38, survive, call 911, then change his mind and shot himself 1/2