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Crazy times we're living in.
Aug 20, 2020 9:52 PM
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Crazy times we're living in.
anaberration
+1 and I'd really like to hear more about the girl and the horny poems. And the witch drowning, yes more of that please...
KiwiGameDev
Electronic voting is a joke. Don’t. Do. It. Please.
wafflehead724
Lol
AWarningToOthers
Welcome to Idiocracy.
transrightsareajoke
Nice try, Russian Propaganda bot.
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valen00
Nope. Just hack the end point. Spend $50 million buying off some people who run the server.
mobiusm1
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
Fuckin A that's funny lol
MDWitCommunityMagnet
Bring back witch drownings!!!
Cynthmail
OgrusDominus
It's not as if the post office is the only means of a coup... did I miss the point?
NerdyCanadianHdd
Can you order pizza through alexa? Sauce???
CrunchySock
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+you+order+pizza+with+alexa
Wolf2Worrior
Uh, the url is huge, but if you Google "can you order pizza through Alexa" the answer is yes.
sloppygashmeat
My country, postal voting has been an option for a long time.
summershank
Electronic voting would be manipulated. Mail in ballots and in person voting are still the most secure method we have
summershank
Fuck even in crypto currency we keep a paper wallet code
summershank
And if you’re a crypto owner with money sitting in exchange: pull that shit into a ledger and start a paper wallet backup
summershank
Some guy killed himself not too long ago because he didn’t do this and lost millions
BargleFargle12
This just got better and better as it went.
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TooOldToBeRealLife
Friend-O
Fonepointfour
Call it!
Koskun
Electronic voting could be secured (look at Wall Street), but the funding isn't there, especially for the rural area's.
OriginalSyn
Software engineer here I wouldn't trust electronic voting for anything serious until something better than blockchain has proved itself for
OriginalSyn
At least a decade or two
dalaiyoda
Financial transactions explicitly need to be tied to the people making them. Votes explicitly need to be the complete opposite of that.
Rulweylan
The difference being that voting has the additional requirement of making it impossible to trace how someone voted after the fact. 1/2
Rulweylan
Financial transactions need to be traceable, but voting can't be, because if you can prove how you voted, you can be threatened/bribed. 2/2
AngryGraphicDesigner
Which is why you much VOTE!
jayol
*Witch
RobKnob91
Such Elect. Very Ballot
ObiHaiv
Only in Chicago can you much vote. Most of the rest of the country, you vote once.
Captbobarino
Much? Early and often?
YourMotherApproves
¡MUY VOTE!
TooOldToBeRealLife
WristDeepInaBook
we can't now. They fucked the post office
Captbobarino
Nothing changed yet, it's just a massive amount of mail at once, every one doesn't mail that often anymore.
WristDeepInaBook
haven't you seen the pictures of dismantled sorting machines?
codenameRadical
Trust a software engineer when I say that you don't want electronic voting until way more advances are made. See Tom Scott for explanation.
codenameRadical
v=LkH2r-sNjQs
valen00
I say you don't want them unless you can prove mathematically a way of having a verifiable but anonymous tally. I doubt that's possible.
codenameRadical
It can /sorta/ be done with blockchain, but only to a point, because there's the challenge of making sure people understand and trust it.
valen00
No it can't be done if you don't want your family to know who you voted for.
valen00
(and want to know that your vote was counted correctly)
lanielas
There are some systems to be able to allow anonymous voting while simultaneously allowing you to check to make sure your vote was counted
Serenitis
Because its actually quite hard to commit post fraud physically on any real scale. Whereas its borderline trival to do so electronically.
Donku83
Assuming entire red or blue districts in swing states don't have their ballots go missing
fuckthisfuckingshit
Do you think we good develop a safe technology yo buy stuffs electronically?
Masterofdisgust
The amount of effort needed to change 1 vote has to be as high as possible while keeping effort needed to vote staying low. Ballots win.
GenXHippie
AngelZiefer
If I can bank online I can vote online.
TrapsAreIllegal
No, no you can't. Thinking that you can is naive. Banks are compromised often enough that the possibility of voting online should scare you.
cheesygorditocrunch
Seriously....I’m sick of this tweet...so much safer to vote by mail than by a machine connected to the internet open to hack...
HerrBisch
How many times are we going to have to post the Tom Scott video?
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shadefang
Think about the fact that your counterexample required the leader of the country, and around half of the others running it backing him up.
BigVag
i hear you, but how about two step verification & many states have a system where I can follow my vote to ensure its accuracy
valen00
I'll just bribe the system administrator to buy the election. $20 million should be enough to have harambe 2020
GreyKnightTemplar666
Some people don't have devices. My father just got his first cell phone for Christmas. He didn't even have an email address until then.
dalaiyoda
Verification to connect the vote to the person? That is a very bad idea, and explicitly prevented in any functioning democracy.
Konyac
Russia uses physical post/vote and there is mass fraud every 'election', what makes it so hard here?
valen00
Lack of corruption in higher office leading to well regulated and oversighted elections.
TrilithonStone
Surprise bitch! USA's been taking lessons!... thanks Vlad!
nopost
When are you people going to stop posting this? For the 10,000th time, voting online is a BAD IDEA. Sincerely, anyone with a clue about tech
PanykFelidae
corollary to the OP's note: the same service delivered the mail for that revolutionary soldier, and hasn't had an appreciable failure since.
TooOldToBeRealLife
This. Security is no longer a reality. Long long gone.
mwoodman
Some sources cited here: https://securityboulevard.com/2020/08/paper-ballots-more-secure-than-e-voting-or-blockchain/
ATribeofAfricanNatives
What about incorporating block chain tech?
dalaiyoda
nopost
Less "the whole field is bad at what they do", and more "engineers don't have the laws of gravity actively adapting to try and harm people"
nopost
Reread my comment, NO. VOTING. ONLINE. Not with great crypto, not with blockchain, not with anything. It is not safe and secure.
mwoodman
These guys say no: https://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/pubs/PSNR20.pdf
ATribeofAfricanNatives
This is the kind of source I needed. Thanks!
wintermute93
Can someone explain why it's fine for basically the entire global financial system to operate online but not something as simple as voting?
OnceIwasCaptainHammerNowIWishIwasNightMonkey
Because banks can audit and reconcile their data over weeks if they want to. Voting results need to be correct on day one. US politics 1)
OnceIwasCaptainHammerNowIWishIwasNightMonkey
are not equipped in the present era for an election to have unknown results a month after election day.
massInsomnia
If you hack into a bank you have money, if you rig an election you have a country
ArtSmarse
First you get the money, then you buy the country.
lookatmyfavorites
Well it’s not even really safe for the entire global financial system. But companies have incentives to have great security to protect 1/2
lookatmyfavorites
Their assets. I guess I mean banks. But governments/countries stand a lot more to lose if votes can be tampered with easily via digits means
wintermute93
I'm hearing "there's risk but it can be acceptably mitigated if it's important enough to invest big in security measures". Which seems fine?
lookatmyfavorites
you're right - with enough will we could figure it out. perhaps the risk mitigation efforts now outweigh the ease and security of paper tho
valen00
The short version is identity. For your accounts you are personally attached to your balance and the ledger of what goes into and out of /
valen00
your account is kept. So at any point you can go back through the history, redo the maths and make sure the current balance is right. For /
valen00
voting you can't have that traceable and identifiable history. Your vote just gets added to the tally. There's no way to verify your vote/
valen00
was added to the correct tally without knowing that you "Bill Nurgs" voted for the "really silly" party.