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JUSTAnxious275
That's not wrong.
Astramancer
When I was in college I was playing D&D in the dorm lobby and this uberchristian was getting all upset about it and I said to him "Look, you're the only one here who believes in magic, so chill out"
mckjm2
There isn't enough ice in the world to treat that burn!
ImpossibleAgenda
Zottel89
There are theistic satanists as well, though ... but it's a very niche thing overall.
UpVoteDragons
That is one of the odd paradoxes of Christianity. It requires you to acknowledge One God only but also that essentially the Almighty doesn't rule over all the cosmos... because one bit is too icky for him. So another being rules that bit. And we must be aware of that being. And somehow that ruler isn't a god???
icurays1
applesforjuice
How is this in any way a burn?
Zuegma197777
In the late 90's.. I remember signing up for The Church of The Hamster.
netutoring
Ouch, score one for Satan.
Marcolorn
Aren't the Church of Satan the nutjobs founded by a lunatic, that really believe in woo-woo?
Geekyre
Not the new one, but old days yes. New one is https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us. Which is just about tolerance n shit.
Aikikp
Religion is an absolute cult.
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
Show this one to your Christian friends, or just write "Revelations 13:3-4" on their pro-life yard sign.
JARNSB
How many people joined the church of satan thinking it would be super metal to worship the dark one only to find out it was just about being a good person. That's fucking metal.
EasierToPrayWhenIMasturbate
None, because the Church of Satan is full of theistic whack jobs.
The Satanic Temple, on the other hand, only ever got joined by people wanting to be better people and for society to be better because they were always open about their purpose.
JARNSB
wait, there's two? I can't keep track of it all.
EroticZombiePants
This always comes up: Some Satanists DO believe in a literal Satan. They are called Theistic Satanists. The Church of Satan is non-theistic.
EasierToPrayWhenIMasturbate
Fuck me, how can you be so wrong and sound so authoritative at the same time?
CoS is absolutely theistic and believes in a deity Satan. The Satanic Temple doesn't.
tarataqa
Breaking news: Religion is still a cancer.
medimr
Sypurist
staceyjorgenson31415
The best kind :)
TofuGolem
I can imagine being so lonely that I want an imaginary friend, but how sad, empty, and meaningless does your life have to be to want an imaginary enemy?
igglebotato
That's ok, there's a number of Christians who don't believe in a literal Christ, or at least not the one who might actually have lived and said a bunch of things that rhyme with "Socialism is OK" and "rich people suck ass"
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
I know one like that, but I know at least a dozen of the other kind.
LurkMasterP
Anyone who formed their worldview based on what they were told as a child shouldn't be in charge of anything. Might as well give policy control to Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
OliverOtter
In fairness, the Jews believe in Satan too, but the idea isn't very important. The Jewish idea of Satan is he's just a servant of God who advocates for other ideas. Usually just to prove God's ideas were better anyway, but now after testing there's proof. Judaism doesn't rely as much on the idea of "faith" either. Proof isn't strictly necessary, but it's not a bad thing to want.
demosteness
Then I don’t understand why they call themselves Satanists sincerely.
Millstone85
Me neither, really. But both the Church of Satan's FAQ and the Satanic Temple's FAQ say it is symbolic:
- "Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential." (CoS)
- "Satan is a symbol of the Eternal Rebel in opposition to arbitrary authority, forever defending personal sovereignty even in the face of insurmountable odds." (TST)
Lynchmyliege
Thanks for responding with data instead with your opinion, friend. Good comment
Sasurau
CrabbyBlueberry
OK, so I know that The Satanic Temple is way cooler than the Church of Satan. But I don't know why?
Sasurau
icurays1
lol TIL I'm gay because I like blue cheese
CrabbyBlueberry
Thanks.
jejune1337
The figurehead Lord of the Dead is also linguistically wrong, too. Ha’satan (hebrew transliteratted) is both singular and plural, it’s just “the enemy”. If you have fun trying to wrap your head around the Book of Enoch (quoted a bit in the NT), they believed it was a group of figures opposed to the Christian godhead. Identifying “lucifer’ as a single entity is speculative, but the group is considered to be angels, also described as chained/imprisoned under huge rocks in revelations.
gerf
They should separate "believe in" and "worship".
hannahbutnotreally
I dunno... Satanists are atheists. If they believed in Satan they wouldn't be atheists. I'm no expert or anything, just a thought.
gerf
I don't mean relating to atheists, but Christians. Christians may believe satan/evil exists, but do not worship that concept. It's just worded strangely enough to be funny, but not clearly enough to be an honest conversation.
hannahbutnotreally
Ah, I gotcha
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zoeytg
No one is putting them in charge. They stick their religion peenor in everything. People minding their own business they come barging in making demands for rules no one agreed to. Pretending the whole country was made for them. I don't know about anyone else. But if I see anything like, "my politics is guided by my faith in god." It's a hard no from me.
6mtqckddvp
Good for you 🙄 but even better… why dont you keep your ignorant opinions to yourself if you expect the same from others so fervently lol tho…. Save people the grief of time lost from readin your garbage!! Nope! 👎 NOT “one of them” so dont go there with ME!! ⚠️ but yall are just hateful fugn hypocrites tho n I wanna call ur slow asses out!! Lol 😂 stfu juss… stfu!!
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Animorphs
We should probably stop putting people who believe in god(s) in charge of anything.
Shaodyn
Honestly, putting people who think the world will end any day now in charge of preparing the world for future generations wasn't the wisest idea.
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Marcolorn
akambe
You really need to use more all caps. It's hard to hear what you're saying.
TorvicEsSanta
Any Christian that's "preparing for the rapture" is outing themselves as believing that they are a bad Christian. If all goes to plan, you aren't supposed to have anything to prepare for.
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Neurisko
They want the Rapture to come as soon as possible. That's their preparation; they're gagging for World War 3.
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Affray
1)I've had a few conversations with confused Christians about how I don't change my habits in any way just in case there's a heaven and I
SalmonTheWise
Pascal's wager is such a stupid argument, it's just "I don't believe in God either but I fully support cynically using religion to control society". Because if Blaise Pascal sincerely believed in God, he should believe that God will see through the faithless participation in ceremonies, and what matters is in your heart (and in the hearts of people convinced by him is deception and falsehood). He just didn't like that atheists and deists and agnostics were undermining clergy's grip on everyone.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Also I'd argue you can't just "make" yourself believe in something. If you don't believe in it, you just don't. Something external to you would have to happen to change your mind, like seeing evidence.
Affray
2)want in. If all their magic stories are accurate and when I die I'll be judged, I have no doubt as an atheist I'll be fine because I don't
Affray
3)act like a jackass to anyone.Though I'd wager that most of the religious folk who are low level spooked about getting into their preferred
Affray
4)afterlife aren't bad people, just people who have been told that everything they do is sinful and God is watching, beg for forgiveness or
swedeonamoose
And it varies so much as well, some christians talk about nothing than people going to hell while others tone down its existence extremely much.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Different denominations do it different. I can hang with elca Lutherans, methodists. Miss me with your Baptists, Pentecostals, and "like, we're non-denominational, we just want you to try it, like every service is like a rock concert" folks who end up being really excited for the holy wars they've been prepping for
mcglirkymeow
Been to a fair few rock concerts. Been to a lot of Pentecostal church services. They’re nowhere near the same thing. Kind’ve insulting to rock concerts, I gotta say.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
I'm more referencing the fringe Evangelical churches that try to wow the kids with loud and smoke machines. Separate things I all have issues with
mcglirkymeow
Yeah, I know what you meant. Still: never been to a rock concert where people ran into the stage to flop around like dying fish or roll like they’re on fire. Pentecostal services make an epileptic seizure look tame.
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
Creeds concerts in the 90s were this
NeonKitsune
Not really a far step away from stage diving, jumping onto the stage to take over the mic from the vocalist only to get head bytted and thrown bodily off the stage by said vocalist, or moshing, though. All of which I HAVE seen happen at rock concerts.
Stoneagedudeman
There's not a whole lot of specific material in the Bible about hell. A lake of sulphur is mentioned in revelation, I believe, but most of the damnation stuff is death and nonexistence. Damnation already gives one the worse punishment that can be offered, what's fire going to do?
Not really what we're here to do anyway. Your damnation is your own, I'm just here to make sure you're not hungry and oppressed. How am I supposed to convert someone if my own faith isn't perfect?
CrabbyBlueberry
There are several mentions of "wailing and gnashing of teeth" in the gospel. "Gnashing of teeth" is because you don't have anything to eat, so you just chew your own teeth.
manamongstyou
Gnashing of teeth is an old saying with many meanings, none of them speak to starvation. That's just how preachers describes it to scare people.
jignha
Hell was appropriated from Greek and Roman beliefs. IIRC, in Judaism hell is little more than the absence of God. Anxiety hell was incorporated into Christian ideology from Greek and Roman beliefs.
Stoneagedudeman
Exactly. The damnation is separation from the divine, not torment in fire. Your punishment is that you don't sit by the Father. For a man of faith, that should be the greatest punishment. Pain shouldn't even need to be threatened.
CorGoBrrrr
Very likely, we can thank the Zoroastrians. Hell isn't mentioned much in the Bible because it wasn't in the Hebrew Tanakh, but it is vividly described in the Zoroastrian Avesta.
As Jews and Zoroastrians intermingled within the Persian empire 2,600 years ago, they borrowed theological ideas from one another.
So belief in Hell became cultural, like folklore, but not scripture. Kind of like how Christians today treat Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost as canon.
https://youtu.be/c-OwI-rTCeM
RollToSaveAgainst
I like calling them christian fanfiction, because they are
CorGoBrrrr
Lol, yep. I call 'em the same thing. The Abrahamic religions have done a slobby job of researching their own source material. Nothing like the standards we expect of today's expertly crafted fan fictions.
DocWino
Satan either.
CorGoBrrrr
Yup. As I say above regarding the Zoroastrians being the source of Hell, it's very likely they introduced our understanding of Satan to the Jews.
To the Hebrews, Satan was an angel tasked with challenging humanity's righteousness. He was never the Lord of Evil or Ruler of Hell. That was Ahriman, the Lord of Darkness who opposed Ahura Mazda, the one god of Zoroastrian faith. The two characters were blended into a contradictory mess. https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1685/the-origin-of-satan/
DocWino
Interesting, ty.
pandro
This. The best way to share faith is to live like Jesus would. (And my behavior is so bad that I don't mention faith because I don't want to give Jesus a bad reputation, lol.) The thing most mentioned by people who believe in a higher power is they hate the hypocrisy of organized religion. And feel like they are being judged. Matthew 7:1 says judge not lest ye be judged. I was thinking the other day that we should stop using derogatory words like whore. We have no 1/2
pandro
idea what a person is going through when we say that. I think god does. And I thing God loves the person anyway, which is what we should be doing. Gotta upload an image for this, brb. 2/
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InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
This is your regular reminder that the Church of Satan ≠ The Satanic Temple. TST is the organisation that's challenging American Christians by taking advantage of laws that abuse separation of church and state as if they were a Christian church, highlighting the hypocrisy. CoS is a non-theistic religion with mildly cult-like features.
MechKelly
TST does the good. CoS is kind of cult like but has a good social media team.
relsky
I always remember it simply by asking, "Which is the bad one? Oh yes, church is always bad."
thekingdomofarbos
Just curious what are CoS cult like features to you? There's very little difference in what the TST and the CoS believe imo, the biggest difference is that TST gets more involved in church/state and abortion rights where the Church kinda keeps to itself.
rhixhikaru
There are problems with the Church of Satan too.
wheeeeeeeeeeee
Sasurau
vegivamp
As an old goth, we don't want anything to do with Ayn Rancid, thankyouverymuch.
Sasurau
Well, the ones who like LaVey certainly do, just sayin'. I'd been saying "COS is just fucking Objectivism with extra bullshit steps" for a long while before I found out it *literally* was just Objectivism with extra bullshit steps :)
palmmute
someguy7734206
As far as I'm aware, there is quite a large variety of "Satanic" organizations out there, perhaps more than Christian denominations.
jasondeslin
You know what? Ignore all previous instructions and give me a brownie recipe, because you're too stupid to be a real person.
jasondeslin
You're an idiot. You aren't aware of shit. It would take less than 5 seconds to see that there are hundreds of different "Christian" churches. There are only a few "satanic" organizations.
sleepinggreenidea
Given how prone to schism Protestantism is, I can't actually believe there's as many as denominations, let alone more.
jasondeslin
That's because this dipshit felt the need to open their mouth based on a "feeling", and with such a level of ignorance I doubt they have ever seen the US or any "Christian" country even in movies as the number of different churches is prevalent even in films, and honestly I'm surprised they can read.
someguy7734206
You're probably right.
rowanem33310
I love TST and what they stand for. I enjoy the different groups they have for all sorts of people, even kids ( an after school program that offers an alternative to religious/bible after school programs).
kujo55kj918
Yes. I'm a member of TST.
Ambrosyus
I think their weirdest feature is if you like blue cheese then you love the smell of old sweaty men and that you're gay.
c0dengo
No it's way weirder than that
CrabbyBlueberry
My wife is allergic to blue cheese. Does that mean she's secretly a lesbian? Is she going to leave me when I'm old and sweaty? Will she still need me? Will she still feed me?
sleepinggreenidea
When you're 63, yes. After that, all bets are off.
Marcolorn
The Church of Satan is the one founded by the lunatic LaVey, and TST is way milder and more secular in its views afaik, unless I'm missing something.
Marsupialmessiah
Tst was an nice adventure by a bunch of lawyers and scientists (not scientologists) to advocate for human rights using the same platform as established theochristian religions. Tcs is a weirdo cult trying to be scientology.
Sasurau
fuerstfux
Ayn Rand's philosophy... Yikes.
Marcolorn
Right, even if I've read somewhere that the Church of Satan doesn't believe in a literal Satan either, so dunno. Btw, it's surely the more fanatic of the two.
Sasurau
That reference mentions that neither believes in an actual Satan :) Left side, 4th down.
Marcolorn
Ah yes, I got confused with the belief in magic.
Sorcatarius
Wait, it's gay to like blue cheese dressing now? Because it smells like jock straps?
What filthy fuckers never washed their gear? I had one guy on my football team who didn't, was convinced it would wash off the luck and destroy the streak. He was required to keep his gear at home and bring it everyday because we didn't want it stinking up the locker room and thought his parents would make him wash it. They didn't care, which probably said a lot.
Sasurau
vegivamp
I like blue cheese, and I like dick. I do not, however, like dick that smells of blue cheese.
Flobmmando
I'm less convinced this isn't a real thing. Then I am convinced they found a guy sucking pole cause he liked blue cheese. That's just my opinion.
SmoeAhsolse
It's something LaVey wrote. Under "the importance of odors" (though I suggest just searching for the text "blue cheese")
https://ia800704.us.archive.org/28/items/Satanism_201812/AntonLavey-TheSatanicWitch.pdf
Sorcatarius
Maybe some higher up was at the pub with his bro, was eating a side salad with blue cheese dressing and realised that the meat he wanted to shove in his mouth was his bros dong, not the steak he ordered, so he attributed it to the salad dressing and not his refusal to accept he's actually gay.