LaughingMan2Gig
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/26/politics/cuomo-mamdani-mayor-november-ballot
Just like they did with Bernie seems like the DNC and Billionairs will do anything to stop a democratic socialist from winning anything
Instead of learning from the recent race and what the democratic base actually wants they will fight tooth and nail and even chance splitting the vote if they have to.
It's not over
Bowtie8bit
They're going to rig the election just like with trump
EroticZombiePants
The only time the Democrats and Republicans ever work together is when there's a reasonable possibility of a progressive getting into office.
Ziabatsu
This is the part where after winning the wizard's challenge you have to shame them into fulfilling the bargin
DandyLion23
GlenL
"You know that strategy that made us lose to a senile rapist/felon? Yeah, more of that" -DNC
LegsAreOverrated
Than Mamdani should begin every appearance with a clip of Cuomo conceding.
evilspock
Gonna pull a Nader and split the vote.
fillerbunny9
“We’d rather split the vote than let a leftist near power.”
Violaquin
Fuck you Cuomo!
When he conceded to Mamdani after the first ranking, I would have been content to let Cuomo fade into obscurity for the rest of his handsy days. But as is the nature of his ilk; to insert themselves where they’re unwelcome, he’s decided to loiter amongst nominated candidates.
Now I want the remainder of his life to be miserable. Until he breathes his last breath I wish every moment of his presence in public to be punctuated by heckling and shaming. Not a SINGLE moment of peace.
LuminoZero
When has Cuomo ever understood the concept of consent?
friendsofsandwiches
SOoo, will of the people is NOT the will of the people anymore.
got it.
TouchofSatan
Never was
HankD3i
It like Deja Vu all over again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Buffalo_mayoral_election
DukePhelan
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they just ended up having Mamdani killed before the election. We never punished anyone for the business plot, and those forces are still around today.
haIreallysigneduphere
They've learned nothing. This is the bullmoose party bullshit happening 100 years later.
IfItQuacksLikeADuck
People learned [almost] nothing. These establishment Dems will be spared precisely because they're complicit "crypto conservatives" pretending to be leftists. They're bootlicking Republicans, Corporations, Billionaires and Zionists. They're throwing you all under the bus and people need to wake up. Every second people don't work to get them kicked out is a second where they prove that they've learned nothing. You either kick them out or start a new party.
LivingDeadX
The will of the people? Not on my oligarchy.
loedout
Establishment democrats are just as corrupt as republicans. They are beholden to the same oligarchs and are only interested in is maintaining power and defending the status quo.
shehdbeuebw738373
"sources" doe. I hope this is just him feeling it out, and I hope he "feels" that everyone thinks it's bullshit and he doesn't actually do it.
Corrodias
Yeah, just the other day, they had "sources" telling them that he *wasn't* running. I'm tired of these anonymous "sources". Where's the *announcement*?
helljack
Of course he needs to remain on the ballot. I mean, after they either revoke Mamdanis citizenship and deport him or straight up Luigi/Epstein him...someone will need to be there to protect the oligarchs special interests.
Mirrormancer
His brother having a meltdown and attacking AOC. Nothing says "progressive" like attacking..... progressive minds.
LaughingMan2Gig
There is a reason he lost his previous job
Mirrormancer
Speaking of which, can anyone find that clip of Zohran slapping down Cuomo's little snipes? Zohran says something about how *he* hasn't been accused of being a sexual predator or something. It was an absolutely bonzer retort.
iamthemanwithnoname
Hopefully Cuomo and Adams just end up stealing votes from each other and it tanks them both.
Johndilla
One would hope. I think there is alot of crossover support between Adams and Cuomo, as in anyone who would vote for Adams will vote for Cuomo. Adams has like no support, his votes might transfer to Cuomo. Fascist lite greedy bastards will try anything to prevent paying more tax or charging less rent
LaughingMan2Gig
But that's the thing any votes due to Cuomo/Adams staying in the race is a potential Mamdani vote. I feel like they rather a Republican win then a democratic socialist
SoshiGenkaku
Status quo must be protected so number can go up. Only way number can go up is if status quo is protected.
iamthemanwithnoname
Reps won't get over 350k based off recent results and polling, Mamdani has 432k in the bank basically. I think it'll be fine. The Dem elites suck and Cuomo and Adams suck, but New Yorkers know they suck.
hyperchondriac
At this point the DNC isn't in control (though they are being incredibly scummy supporting Cuomo to begin with). It is usually possible for candidates to run as independents if they don't get the primary winband have enough money and name recognition. They just usually don't, as it would usually throw the election to the opposing party. However, with ranked choice, Cuomo could get enough 2nd choice votes from GOP to overtake Mamdani. Mamdani voters won't have a good second choice pick.
StrongBadEMale
That's a weird world - you think nobody will get 50% in round 1, *and* Cuomo will get *more* votes as an independent than the Republican candidate? The winning candidate in NYC hasn't gotten less than 50% of the vote since 1917 (Hylan got 46.6%).
hyperchondriac
Far as I know, an extremely well funded, high name recognition runner up in a major party primary has never split off to run independent.
The situation is different here. Mamdani is ahead by 7 points among Democrats as first choice. Likely Cuomo will rank higher among the MAGA who bother to vote.
So if the first round in the local election is 36% Mamdani, 30% Cuomo, and 26% MAGA, who do you think MAGA is gonna put first in the ranks, Cuomo or Mamdani?
StrongBadEMale
I continue to feel ancient beyond words. Was 1977 truly so long ago? Ed Koch (the Dem nominee) ran against Mario Cuomo, who lost the Democratic primary and ran as an independent, as well as then-current-mayor Abe Bearne. Cuomo had name recognition and obliterated the Republican candidate 41% to 4% - but all three still lost to Ed, who got 50.0% of the vote exactly.
hyperchondriac
Did they have ranked choice in 1977?
We will see, then. GOP nobody got 27.8% of the vote in 2021, against a corrupt cop running as a Democrat.
Call me a pessimist, but it seems this reality always seems to find a way to make the worst outcome the real one.
StrongBadEMale
Ranked choice only started in 2021 in NYC. Also how are you getting linebreaks? I tried hitting enter and it just thinks I'm hitting Post.
KingKrabvoldIV
Is the DNC supporting his run in the general election?
LaughingMan2Gig
Not officially but behind the scenes I wouldn't be surprised if they where funding some shit since they hate socialist democrats
KingKrabvoldIV
I’m sure they did which is why they supported Cumo in the primary, but we can’t say for certain they’ll do if he runs as independent.
TheMeatIncident
We need more democratic socialists in the game. The more we have the more we can fight back.
rusrsdude
Go campaign!
minipancho94
You see, the DNC can simply refuse to hold primaries, remove you from the party, and suppress your ability to run in dozens of other ways. There's a shitload of democratic socialist and leftist running throughout the country, but they are "dealt" with by any means possible. Additionally, the DNC is so against letting actual leftist win that they will form coalitions and collaborate with literal fascist GOP candidates in order to preserve the status qou of the system and their position in it.
dasAchteck
https://www.dsausa.org/get-involved/
Higure
Social democrat* Yes, I know Bernie and his bros like to call it democratic socialism, but that's not its actual name.
clonedeeznuts
And we also need to call out these fake democrats who are just republicans in disguise
hyperchondriac
I'm guessing we don't have any billionaires donating to the superpacs for the Dem socialists.
Looks like DNC would rather throw the office to a Republican than a Dem socialist. Which is sickening yet predictable.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
They're already winding up for the midterms and this one couldn't be more obvious. "DEMs bad" won them the white house, so of course they're trying the same thing again.
Svartsinn
If dems were a competent opposition party then the far-right republican party of today would not exist. Harris with $1 billion in campaign funds running in the wake of republicans overturning Roe v. Wade still managed to lose to a rapist felon who tried to do a coup. Biden had 4 years to do something about 1/6 and instead he focused on the economy. The cost was our democracy. Americans voted for a dictatorship. Now that it's here do you think we can simply vote the dictatorship away?
KungofBees
Just so I understand, you're saying voters frustrated with the DNCs current policies and leadership are actually just rubes falling for RNC tricks? Voters who when presented with an dem option more aligned to their values overwhelmingly supported it and rejected the status quo? The voice of the people is the problem?
elgalileo
No he is saying that op, also author of the comments here, and a prolific copy-pasting politic commenter is a paid shill.
KungofBees
Thank you. That's what I suspected.
Wuz314159
What was the point in having that election then?
GuysJustWannaFish
To keep us distracted
welluhwhatdoyouwantmetosay
It was the primary to decide the candidate for the Democrats. Since he didn't win that, he won't be on that line on the ballot, nor will he get their official support.
Bowtie8bit
He doesn't need democratic support, he has Jewish money.
minipancho94
The DNC can always say fuck it like they did with Bernie and again with Biden. The party leadership has final say on who runs and who is part of the party. I don't doubt that they will pull some nasty bullshit if they feel compelled to.
mcshady
ok but what line will he be on? Some weird third party that magically didn't have to have their paperwork filed at the same time as the main two?
thisistheusernamethatneverendss
There’s no requirement to hold a primary if you’re not representing a political party.
popeyeNL
He is running as independent
myotheralt
So instead of the (D) he is hoping to win on name recognition.
thisistheusernamethatneverendss
Or be a spoiler so another candidate friendly to big money can win. I believe they are using ranked choice voting again in November so there will be several independent candidates hoping to get enough 2nd or 3rd choice votes to make a difference.
trasneoir
The party primaries are generally held well before the filing deadline for the actual election.
HonestCommentFarmer
A. I'm confused, isn't he on the general ballot as a Democrat? How does he stay on the ballot when the Dem party basically said "Mamdani is our guy?"
B. So assuming he's running as an independent, isn't he running in the EXACT same lane as Adams? I certainly can't imagine a group of voters who would say "I love Cuomo, but fuck Adams" and vice versa.
Corrodias
Anyone can always submit a request to be on the ballot, whether nominated by a party (which will arrange for enough petition signatures for you) or not (in which case you have to gather them yourself or have your "campaign" do it). As for your second question, yes, and both are hoping to split enough votes away from Mamdani to result in the Republican winning, thus proving "progressives can't win" and showing voters that Republicans are so bad that you need to rally behind molesters instead.
HonestCommentFarmer
Oh, so he already had the procedures done to get on the ballot as the Dem candidate and now he's thinking of switching over to an independent run. Boy, that article was not clear about that by "staying on the ballot."
Corrodias
Just to be specific to avoid confusion, he was on the ballot of the Democratic party primary, but not yet the actual election, which is yet to come, so he will need to gather the signatures or whatever else is required in New York City to get onto that ballot, as independent, not party-affiliated. But he's popular enough (and has big donors) that he should not have any trouble getting that done.
NKato
We need the General election to have stricter requirements, and switch to an open primary system in NYC. Make it so that both parties have to run against each other in the primary to select a top-four for the general.
NKato
Then maybe we can stop having these stupid "I'm a democrat/republican, but I'm running as an independent because I would lose anyway" decisions.
HonestCommentFarmer
Oh god, now I'm terribly confused and I'm basically done contemplating this poorly-written article.
PerthAussieMike
It makes you think the big money people have something special in mind
johnnydarkside
When the big money starts freaking out, you know we're on the right track. Just like the harder the trump admin tries to hammer a point you know that the questions we're asking are going to uncover something they won't like.
mksu
They're already demanding a "centrist" come sabotage the Democrats.
BreakerSwitch
This has been the play forever. Megadonors fund their republican favorites as well as centrist dems as a just in case, or in strongly blue areas. It's why both parties strongly support Israel in their genocide. AIPAC funds both with HUGE amounts of cash, which the government then sends back to Israel. One massive mobius double reacharound, in that case.
Our only hope for an out is to support SINGLE socialist dems in each race who then outlaw big money donors.
TalkingSnake
Wow omg somehow the super far rightwing crazy person got 88% of the vote in NYC
Neurisko
It'll be split like 27% Cuomo, 35% Mamdani, 36% right wing nutjob. That's how the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot.
frozenlake247
That’s how the “money” will win.
DustinJL
Nothing that'll work out for them in the long run. Remember how feudalism ended? They sure don't!
laserfork
The Democratic power-brokers are all wealthy people who 100% would prefer feudalism to any version of left-wing governance that might make them less wealthy.
johnvictor
But that's claiming BoTh SiDeS pointing out the hypocrisy in the Dems and how when you get down to it their leaders will side with the GQP before let the left get any sort of foothold in politics.
silversean
The Bubonic Plague?
MeestowKitty
These mother fuckers would rather let the entire nation burn then lose power. But somehow people like me are the problem for saying that establishment Dems aren't any different than Republicans.
FrolickingFrolicking
I was confused by the end of your first sentence because I think there was a mass utility power outage recently in Bronx NYC
MeestowKitty
Hah
Corrodias
They aren't different in that respect, but they do still have other differences. A purely binary worldview, that everything must be equally good or equally bad, is nonsensical. Even children can distinguish between food they don't like and feces.
MeestowKitty
We have been voting "lesser of two evils" for nearly two decades now. It isn't a workable plan. Dems have been "not the Republicans" for nearly every election of my life.
EroticZombiePants
I've rambled about it here before, but the only way America can have a progressive party is if they can actually fully replace the Democratic Party within one election cycle. Otherwise, they'll split the votes and we'll end up with such a huge Republican majority, we'll even lose the option of having the status quo held. It sucks, but it's literally the only reason why we still have whatever rights we have. With enough of a GoP stranglehold, and we are heading back to the 1800s.
Corrodias
So implement ranked choice voting at every level. And before that is accomplished, don't just throw in the towel and let fascists run wild. That doesn't help.
MeestowKitty
But they already are! You guys keep talking like the Dems are stemming the tide but they aren't. What are they ACTUALLY doing? Filing lawsuits, making speeches, whining, etc. And a bunch of them keep crossing the aisle and are working with the enemy on various bills, acting like its just any old Tuesday. We already ARE letting the fascists run wild.
Corrodias
Biden's administration *was* stemming the tide, and we threw that away. They accomplished a lot of good things in that time. There was a huge list people liked to share on here last year.
Corrodias
I like to criticize their lack of disruptive actions as much as the next guy. But also, we elected the fascists into a majority in both houses of congress and the presidency, so surely you do recognize that that's not entirely on them. They didn't dismantle American powers in science and medicine; that would not have happened if we didn't give the fascists full authority.
DustinJL
Stupid fucking assholes.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Asshole, singular. This was Cuomo's decision. "The DNC did this" is a baseless conspiracy theory. We only have OP's word for it, and he has a long history of posting "DEMs bad, russia not so bad" bullshit. I mean, Zohran *is* a Democrat. The right feels threatened by Democrats like him, AOC or Warren. Now they're telling you "get angry at the Democrats" and you're falling for it? Why?!?
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Right, like, can't anyone get on the ballot if they meet whatever the requirements are? The DNC doesn't have to be involved in this whatsoever. It's like when RFK Jr got himself put on as an Independent. Anyone can do it. It's open. He doesn't need the DNC's help, and also the DNC literally can't stop him.
SmergBlaerghl
It's not stupidity, it's greed.
DustinJL
It's still stupid, just fueled by greed.
SmergBlaerghl
You know, I honestly think, in most cases it's a conscious and calculated decision to choose personal financial gain and power, over doing what's good for their constituents, which is worse than stupidity.
kiski
People don't like to feel they're being played. If they get the short end of the stick, they want to feel superior in some way at least, so they call the others stupid, entertain fantasies of comeuppance that'll obviously rarely come to pass. You are of course right, if your game plan is throwing everyone under the bus hopping from one opportunity to grab as much as you can to the next one, enabled by your villain cabal, that's antisocial, evil, but not stupid. Stupid is thinking it's stupid.
Neurisko
It's what most people call "evil" but I call lack of empathy. Callous selfishness.
Samja192
On another post a few days ago that said mamdani won because he actually embraced left ideals in a way most dems are too afraid to I responded by saying the dems wouldn't learn from this... And everyone down voted me lol. Time always tells
ThrockmortonTheSkateboarder
Two for flinching. -1
NKato
Use that reddit bot to remind everybody on election day
spangolio
Blue MAGA hivemind is a very real thing, they can be so obtuse
TheDefective
Really? More https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory under a new name? Lazy.
KPodol
Blue MAGA has nothing to do with that, quite the opposite. Blue MAGA designate "centrist" liberals who fight to maintain the status quo to the point where they'd rather let fascism gain power rather than voting for a left leaning candidate. No far left people would ever vote for Cuomo and are in complete opposition to the democratic party values.
TheDefective
Sounds exactly like https://en.wikiped. Contradicted by this study https://www.researchgate">>. Contradicted by this study https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Heatmaps-indicating-highest-moral-a">ia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory. Contradicted by this study https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Heatmaps-indicating-highest-moral-allocation-by-ideology-Study-3a-Source-data-are_fig6_336076674
And this field of social analysis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory
KPodol
Nope. AGAIN, Blue MAGA are not leftist, because leftist are rejected by their criticism of the democratic party. Blue MAGA is just tribalism of people supporting the DNC, as we've seen with Mamdani the DNC firmly oppose leftist movement. Morality has nothing to do with it either, it's about the capitalist interest and the desire to keep a patriarchal, heteronormative society that serve their interest. Just like MAGA want.
spangolio
I don't call extreme Left 'Blue MAGA', I use that name for people who reject any critique of the DNC, who tell the Left to just knock it off with their needs and demands. The people who get mad if anyone suggests mayyyybe Biden was senile.
TheDefective
Seems like you're trying to draw an equivalence between the christofascist militants and portions of the left. Scary what a lack of dialectical materialism does to a motherfucker.
spangolio
People who say BernieBro.
Samja192
I mean, I wouldn't have called them blue Maga, but anyone on the far end of any ideology tends to be a bit obtuse about anything that isn't immediately in line with their beliefs - regardless of what those beliefs are
TheDefective
You're describing horseshoe theory, which, if you'll follow the link I will provide again, Widely discredited! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
Samja192
Lol and if I said no amount of facts you show me will change my mind... It kind of proves my point doesn't it?
TheDefective
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Heatmaps-in">76674">https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Heatmaps-indicating-highest-moral-allocation-by-ideology-Study-3a-Source-data-are_fig6_336076674
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory
Here are some sources that may make you reevaluate that statement!
Samja192
I get that.. I'm just wondering if you've had a conversation with anyone with "extreme" views on a subject? And seen what your chances of changing their mind are?