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eclecticdyslexic
I see all the comments about an Gorta Mór, and rightfully so, but what the Brits did to the Irish in the 17th century was equally ghastly. They were getting warmed up for 250 years of colonial barbarity.
NomadFeetWanderingToes
While I take no pleasure in seeing non combatants suffer, I hope the Palestinians in Gaza learn that they shouldn't support terrorists like Hamas and demand leadership that genuinely wants peace. Hamas are nihilistic murderers who have no interest in peace and are delusional in thinking they're going to get anything from this senseless violence. Rather, they're just going to get alot of their own ppl killed and nothing gained but more misery and suffering.
mmckee44
The old testament god made it clear that punishing an entire society for the sins of a few was entirely moral. In 2023 it is considered a war crime, but in Judeo-Christian theology, it is simply business as usual.
undrh2o
There are 2million people in Gaza the median age is 18. Let that sink in. He is treating children as animals, perpetrating a genocide. I don't condone the actions of Hamas, in fact I condemn them in the strongest terms, but starvation and genocide will create another generation of ppl with nothing to lose.
dirtcreature
Ask good old Arafat and his cronies why his people starved when he died worth BILLIONS. Israel isn't the best, but the PA/PLO/Fatah/Hamas is full of rich people getting poor people to do their dying for "the cause".
euphoricopportunity
I mean, why can't we just have a two state solution where both sides tally up the reparations values for the atrocities on their sides, and settle this. The needs a reconciliation commission like the end of apartheid in South Africa, but it keeps flaring up. I honestly don't understand how the Troubles in Ireland were calmed down, but something similar is clearly needed.
AussieNotNamedBruce
Tried before UN really existed. British ran the peacekeeping show, fell apart when they both wanted the same turf at the same time, on the same day for their religious reasons, and had to be separated by British police, yet it degenerated into a clusterfuck due to shit that happened that day.
Iblamemyparentstoo
Can I just say that trump is responsible for all of this, he enabled this man by giving him our military secrets. Fuck trump!
kadaeux
While I love blaming Trump, this shit has been going on since Israel was founded, this one isn’t Trumps fault.
Iblamemyparentstoo
I beg to differ
kingbudo101
I mean, they kinda did during the famine. Didnt really help them and caused them to rely on a single food source to begin with
MightyUrto
No kinda about it it was a flat out genocide
Telleryn
Yeah, the fungus or whatever the infection was caused the blight, but the British govt caused the famine, pushed all the Irish off their land forcing them to rely on potatoes as their food source due to it being the only crop with a high enough calorie to land area ratio they could grow while all the food grown on the British-owned land got exported. Even foreign countries trying to provide aid were asked to limit the amount so as to not make the British royal family look bad by comparison.
Telleryn
For comparison, the same blight hit other places in Europe at about the same time and nobody hears about it 'cause it didn't lead to mass starvation.
BadDub
What a simplistic view of what happened
ApparentlyIcantcomeupwithavalidusername
Not wrong though. By definition, famine isn't something that happens naturally, it's not just a food shortage. It needs a man-made element to exacerbate a natural food shortage. The Sudanese famine, as an example, happened because the government prioritised exporting grain to Saudi Arabia over providing the grain to impacted communities. Didn't even need to stop the exports, just reduce them by like 5%.
kingbudo101
Yeah really dont want to type paragraphs on top of paragraphs detailing the 700 year occupation of Ireland, things that lead up to the famine, and actions that made things worse
ThanosDei
We shouldn’t have to tell them about the language used in the holocaust, but do they know about the language used during the holocaust?
jimmyriba
Imagine during the Troubles the Irish slaughtering 700 civilians in a single day, parading the corpses of women, children and elderly, breaking into houses and murdering parents in front of their children.
Revyloution
Don't really have to imagine it. England already did it. They had thousands of ships exporting food out of Ireland during the potatoe famine
yatasima
I assume, Hamas don't want electricity, they destroyed the power plant in Ashkelon with rockets: https://twitter.com/an_ottoman/status/1711333407286821062
Varnna
The level of generational stupidity, blind arrogance, and vileness humans have stained the very bedrock in this sandy shithole asscrack of the world beggars even the " god" they pretend to worship.
quantumphear
Y'all in the comments need to pull your heads out of your asses. Women and children got executed, on video, with cheering crowds spitting on their bodies, and you're still thinking that Palestinians are victims here? Is there no depth to which you would sink to instead of realizing that your support is misplaced?
TheElementsOfHarmony
2 million Palestinian people shouldn't be held accountable for the crimes of the few. I don't think anyone disagrees that Hamas is shit and are murderers of innocents but the Palestinian civilians deserve some consideration before a literal genocide happens. They have nowhere to go.
jimmyriba
This is not "the crimes of the few". A thousand soldiers were perpetrating these terrors, many thousands more were needed to prepare this "mission". Hamas is the government of Gaza.
TheElementsOfHarmony
How would you feel if you were held personally accountable for the crimes of Donald Trump? Is that fair? The assumption that these civilians have any direct choice in what their "government" does is baseless. It's the same as saying all Lebanese people should be blamed for what Hezbollah do. The Lebanese army doesn't even have the resources to control them. So how are Palestinian people expected to overthrow their own literal militia regime? Condemning them to die for it is deplorable.
jimmyriba
I'm not American, but I understand your point. But staying with Trump: 74 million Americans voted for him in 2020, knowing fully what he was about. While you can't hold all Americans accountable, 74 million people is also not "the few". Similarly, somewhere between hundreds of thousands to millions of Palestinians support Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad. It's wrong to hold all Palestinians accountable, but I think it's fair to hold the supporters accountable. And they are not that few.
AlkeneThiol
People keep trying to use metaphor for this situation which is resulting in a lot of reductionism. There really aren't any particularly good historical comparisons, even with added hypotheticals, for the current geopolitical situation. I know we are processing things still, but it may be counterproductive to start pushing parallels that don't fit.
BadDub
The situation is Ireland/NI kinda does fit though
Nostradamuswaswrong
Fucking evangelicals in the US are just creaming their fucking jeans watching this apocalypse bullshit happening.
semioticmadness
Evangelical watching corpse of an innocent bystander get paraded on TV: “Yay I’m gonna go to heaven because I’m special!”
TheSupremeCrabMaster
This is one of those events historians are gonna be furious at us for not having stopped. Buckle up, because A LOT of innocent people are about to die.
AussieNotNamedBruce
A minority tried and faced the wrath of the lynch mob baying anti-semantic accusations. Funny accusation from people who failed to appreciate it refers to a language used by Jews and Arabs.
TacticalWeaponsAssaultTeam
That would be like the US rolling into Afghanistan and... you know what, nevermind, I don't wanna play anymore...
lunatic02
Theocratic nations should not exist.
CoqRoq
It has been thousands of years and humans are still murdering each other because a myth storybook said that they are good guys and their enemies are evil.
TheGriffin
weewaawoowoo
Well, no. As much as I deplore what Israel is suggesting here, the IRA - even at their worst/most productive - would never, ever have conceived of the type of operation Hamas as here, with the direct murder and execution of literal hundreds of innocents. I cannot imagine what the British response would've been to something akin at the height of 'The Troubles'. Certainly not... wonderful, whatever it would've been.
Spartan9365
They did toss grenades in to opposing churches during Sunday mass. Not defending but close enough that it needs pointing out.
Carl99
Whilst broadly accurate there where some enormous bombings with very large casualty totals. Nothing on this scale but there were absolutely times where it got uncomfortably close.
BulgogiBolognese
On top of that Israel has been supplying electricity and water and so forth and even has continued to do so whilst active fighting was going on in the past and Hamas has done very little to support their own population except for maybe beating them up when praying in the wrong mosque
Telleryn
A classic land grab, make sure everyone in an area dies off, put your own people there so there's nobody left to call it an occupation. Worked for America, Russia seems to be trying it in Ukraine again (previously the Holodomor, now the deliberate targeting of civilian everything), British complicity in the Irish famine
icbk
So many people died, the sufferings that were caused and continue to unravel are unfathomable. Noone was out for a landgrab, people were living and enjoying their lives and now there is war.
yatasima
When does the grab begin? 1948? 1923? 1917? 1291? 1187? 691? In all this years, Jewish people have always lived there too and were themselves pushed out.
icbk
If you search deep enough into history, you may be surprised to find out) To oversimplify - Long time ago, Jewish people kind of decided to call it their land, because god (facepalm) told them it was.
Zange0
1914, when the British declared war on the remnants of the Ottoman Empire and began planning on how to convert it into an ally state. People have been pushed out of their homelands for millennia, and like it or not force is what establishes sovereignty.
Shifuede
❶ You need to learn history. It wasn't "British declared war on the remnants of the Ottoman Empire", the Ottoman Empire joined the Central Powers in WW1; the Central Powers lost. Part of the peace treaty was the dissolution of the Empire; the UK took over that area which is why it was called the BRITISH MANDATE of Palestine. In '48, they relinquished control to the 2 major native groups, the Jews and the Arabs. Through that whole period, even during the Holocaust, the British restricted Jewish..
Shifuede
❷ ...immigration, land purchases, construction to the Jewish section; the other two were free for Arabs with the only restriction preventing the sale to Jews in order to limit them to the Jewish section. The Ottomans had fully prohibited Jews from purchasing land there after exiling the majority (but not all). If, as you claim, "force is what establishes sovereignty", then you should have no qualms with '48, '67, '73.
Hefelump
Devils advocate: the IRA had a mission they were fighting for and targeted soldiers and military personnel. Hamas is ISIS. They dont want peace. They want the world to burn. The targeted civilians. They rape hostages. They use women, children and old people as human shields. And they are hiding behind their civilians now. They are the defintion of evil. They hate jews more than they love their own people. Theyve been in power for 20 years. And look at what they've done for Gaza.
kerrigan778
Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza. They have a border with Egypt who they aren't at war with.
OOSpaceDwarf
Hamas won a small majority 18 years ago and purged every other party over the next years. Many of the people dying have lived their entire life under absolute rule by Hamas.
biggiej
Yes democratically elected to a 4 year term....18 years ago.......
Shifuede
Interestingly, nobody screams at Egypt for maintaining a closed border AND not sending aid, but Israel sends aid and is the "bad guy".
AoShin
Probably because Egypt doesn't regularly shoot, bomb and murder Palestinians.....
Shifuede
Yeah, they foisted that off onto Israel. So much for any Arab nations caring. Also Palestinians haven't been launching non-stop attacks at Egyptian citizens (at least recently). You're so ready to demonize Israel but completely ignore Iran as well as most Arab nations using the Palestinians as sacrificial tools to enact genocide on Israelis. It's time for you to wake up: Palestine isn't an innocent victim. Everybody has blood on their hands here.
icbk
And Putin is the democratically elected president of rusia.
AltruisticDefenestrator
And North Korea is a democratic people's republic. Sometimes things are a bit more complicated than the label.
icbk
This.
BrdCdn
Palestine had internationally monitored elections when Hamas came to power. They won handily. It's a radicalized state. Videos of them coming out of their houses to beat Isrealis and Foreign hostages and desecrate bodies.
Skyff
They all fucking suck.
Skyff
(not referring to the civilians who are just trying to live their lives, if it needed to be said)
boevis
One side is fighting a losing battle to survive, the other side has a better PR team and nukes.
MotionOfTheOcean
Targeting civilians and taking hundreds of women and children hostage, is not necessary for the survival. I think it is good to see difference between Palestinians in general and Hamas, even if the first will have to suffer for the deeds of 2nd now.
Skyff
Pray tell how mowing through a festival help Palestine survive. If anything, it unites the international community against them? I'm all for a two-state solution and an end to apartheid, but this isn't the way.
UnicornsToxicRainbowFart
That was the IRA, not Ireland
boevis
Does it? Are we not sitting here on the exact same sides of the argument that we probably were 2, 6, 12, whatever years ago? There can be no two-state solution when the existence of one state is predicated upon eradication of the other, your desired policy is akin to calling Ukraine the aggressor in retaking Crimea and calling for compromise.
BrdCdn
Christ you are stupid. If Isreal wanted to eradicate Palestine they could achieve it within a week. If Palestine put down its arms and wanted peace talks they would have peace. If Isreal put down its arms you would have 10 million murdered Isrealis. You don't hear Isrealis chanting death to Muslims, while death to Jews is Palestinians favorite chant.
Skyff
I'm not even sure who you're referring to eradicating who, since both sides seem to want that for the other. But murdering civilians doesn't help, which is a reason why Ukraine isn't going out of their way to murder civilians but are focusing on the fight against larger nation and a larger military. In their case it's Russia murdering civilians.
Skyff
It's a situation caused by the West with no good solution at this point, just the lesser of many evils. In your analogy it'd be akin to the West filling Crimea with Russian genocide refugees and then getting upset when those refugees want more land and start annexing the surrounding areas. Meanwhile, all their neighbors want them permanently eradicated. It's a shit show from start to end, but two separate states might grant some kind of stability and peace for civilians. Less suffering is good.
UnicornsToxicRainbowFart
If you can't figure out who the oppressor is in a conflict, you aren't ready to posit solutions
MightyUrto
They did, the Irish famine was a genocide. At the time the Irish were starving food was exported out of iteland at an unprecedented level.
Drakezx
It was not, it doesn't fit one of the 5 criterias of being a genocide, look them up on the UN website, it was an horrible event, but not a genocide.
petety
So you admit an outrage over an act. Bravo. Does that justify Israel's actions?
mali321
Strictly speaking the famine and the troubles were two separate events, separated by centuries.
PWBoiler
The “troubles” were just the 20th century extension of an independence movement that went back centuries before the famine. It’s all part of one, long and tragic history.
thefeckamisigningupwithfacebook
I’m so sorry. But with respect? No, it wasn’t. /gallery/VKyyFZC
IMoveWithTheEleganceOfAnAfricanElephant
and the brits looked at it like it was a *good* thing. obviously, god was punishing the ruffian irishman for some sin, so it's only right that they die. fucking barbarous and the end result of colonialism where you treat the people you displace like subhumans. i mean, i get the impulse to dehumanize your victims because how could you sleep at night treating sentient humans that way? they must *not* be humans. crazy to see the children of the holocaust not learn that lesson, but here we are
TheLaughingMagician
The English looked on it as a good thing. Please don't forget the attempted cultural genocide of the Gael in Scotland and Highland Clearances. This is on English anti-gael prejudice.
IMoveWithTheEleganceOfAnAfricanElephant
fair point!
TheLaughingMagician
There was anti-Gael prejudice within Scotland from the lowlands, but when it came to the potato blight Scotland fed the Highlanders in a relief program that avoided outright famine. The ordinary people of Scotland organised charity to avoid disaster. Whilst England decided, "Fuck it, let's monster the Irish because they are lazy."
TheLaughingMagician
It was not genocide by only the razor thinnest margin. There was willful denial of facts and near weaponised incompetence, but the intention wasn't to wipe the population out. England however was guilty of cultural genocide of the Gael in Ireland and Scotland, and practically actual genocide in Ireland. The potato blight didn't hit Scotland as hard because we organised our own famine relief for the Highlands.
Fleapit
A large portion of the colonists were Scottish, and they were part of the union. Just as much to blame as the English.
TheLaughingMagician
Between 1845-51 Ulster's population fell by 340,000, a drop of 15.7% compared with 19.9% for the whole of Ireland. But hey, build your case that every Scots descendant in the North was somehow a wealthy landlord.
TheLaughingMagician
The Ulster Scots were a very different situation to the English Gentry that became a landlord Anglo-Irish class in the south. Mostly cattle thieves and mercenaries and the worst of that border reavers had been relocated to America by the time of the famine. The famine killed those in poverty, not specifically native Irish. It was seen as a problem the landed class in Ireland should solve themselves, this was naive and ineffectual as Ireland couldn't feed itself because of the blight.
TheLaughingMagician
It's ludicrous to say that in 1840 the whole of Scotland were Unionists. And even more ludicrous to say that it was somehow their fault English controlled famine relief that was entirely bungled was their fault when the Scots people were feeding the Gaelic highlanders.
MightyUrto
It was genocide, trying to play word games just makes you look like you're on the side of the oppressors
TheLaughingMagician
No it's not. Genocide has a very specific definition. And the objective was not to wipe out the native Irish. There is a distinction between systematic incompetence and prejudice, and deliberate genocidal malice. It was clear colonial abuse. I'm sorry but I don't take a black and white approach to nuanced subjects. Being almost genocide doesn't make what happened any better. You do realise that.
MightyUrto
You have fucking got to be kidding. The definition, by the UN, with the UK on the council, who committed genocidal atrocities across the world.... don't be so gullible, "There are numerous monuments and memorials across the world that recognize the famine as an act of genocide committed by the British..." it was a genocide, colonial white washing doesn't change that.
TheLaughingMagician
No. I'm not kidding you. Saying Ireland must feed Ireland is not genocide. It was dramatically short sighted, cruel and inept and clear colonial abuse, because Ireland could not have fed Ireland during the blight. But not every colonial wrong is deliberate genocide in the same way that not every avoidable death is murder.
TheLaughingMagician
Look, the Irish weren't singled out because they were Irish. The UK literally did THIS monstrosity to its own people. The crime was being poor, not being Irish. Monsterous no doubt, but no the Irish weren't genocided, they got the same treatment as any poor in the British Isles. I'm not defending Colonial abuse, I'm putting it into context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Law_Amendment_Act_1834
TheLaughingMagician
Fucking up response to famine relief because of failing to believing those reporting the problem is a country mile away from actively and deliberately creating famine. Scotland handled the blight internally without external relief. The belief was that Ireland could do the same, but the blight was worse and Ireland more reliant on potatoes. The belief Ireland could have fed Ireland during the famine is a myth.
wheredidwegonow
Disband both maybe? I don't have a fucking clue
Nacon
Don't let them distract you from the fact that they're fighting over religion differences. Religion is cancerous.
kadaeux
No no, it’s easier to cure cancer….
Nacon
Correct, by banning religion and let people be educated properly.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
"human animals" --- This is the messaging of those who are perpetrating or planning genocide.
secretoaster
Have you seen what they did? They're worst than animals.
mham7611
Have you?
Seen it with your own eyes?
dirtcreature
Do you know any middle east history? The Hamas attack was on the anniversary of the Yom Kippur war -- you know, the one where most of the surrounding countries tried to wipe Israel off the map? Hamas is not your feel-good IRA. Hamas, literally, wants to destroy Israel in total and will do anything to do that. This does not make Israeli policies innocent, but holy shit does this kind of ignorance make a complex situation even worse.
Sealab2021
Welcome to Imgur!
TsubakiTragic
... and the New South Wales govt (Australia) has come down firmly on the side of Israel. Sometimes, just wonder.....
Lesgrylls
Boy howdy this might be the most rage inducing post I’ve seen here. What a disgusting waste of resources to keep that man alive, and for the people to suffer
ThatsProbablyInMyBag
So... They have gone full Nazi?!
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
Ironic af
MrOne2
"Never again ... Some restrictions apply."
SJSHARPei
This made me cringe in a sad darkness.
Dancingtuxedoman
Yeah, dehumanizing is the first step.....
StarvingGarbage
Or it's a reaction to watching Hamas fighters brutally rape and slaughter civilians while livestreaming it like it's fortnite.
Israel is not innocent, but this attack went well beyond what any human should find acceptable, even in the midst of war.
Jarjarthejedi
When you find yourself leaping to the defense of genocide, it's WELL past time to look in a mirror...
Christiansen20071969
The entire situation down there goes beyond what anyone should find acceptable - both sides of this conflict (Israeli government and Hamas) are fascist as fuck, they can all go eat shit. None of this is going to stop until they're brought to the table, and seeing as they're busy killing eachothers children, that's not happening anytime soon. FUBAR.
StarvingGarbage
True, but many of their complaints about Israel are actually just problems caused by their own infighting. The power cuts and restrictions to medical care come directly from Fatah in the West Bank since they control the PA money strings
EverythingWithFries
Whew lawd would love to see the balance of points on this one. Propaganda war at work right here in this comment.
Thewayofthebear
I know right
RizzleMeThis
So you are saying that because Hamas has done something unacceptable, and I will clearly date their actions are unacceptable here, But because of that, you are saying that it justifies dehumanizing the civilian population? It justifies removing functions vital for life from non-combatants, the infirm, children, whatever protected group you hold dear? As you said, Israel is not innocent, they don't get to act the victim and upgrade the atrocities here.
Thewayofthebear
Israel stole their homes and land. It's on fucking YouTube.
StarvingGarbage
No, but that's not what he did. He described the Hamas soldiers as barbaric, which their actions demonstrate clearly to be true. it absolutely justifies removing enemy resources. It's fucking war. Hamas is not a rogue group, they are the government of Gaza. Destroying enemy infrastructure is an ancient tactic. Palestine needs to choose leadership interested in a future, not endless war. Every time they have been given the choice, they have chosen leaders promising more war.
RizzleMeThis
I'm going to start with my position, I do not believe prior acts in any situation justify war crimes, for anybody, Worldwide. Starting there, we can set aside the actions of Hamas for this discussion. What Israel is doing, denying electricity, food, and fuel to the civilian population is 100% a war crime. I don't care what happened before this, it is a disproportional response regardless and it makes Israel also culpable.
StarvingGarbage
First: it's not anprior act. It is actively happening. Israeli civilians taken hostage are probably being brutally tortured to death as we speak. It did not happen "before." It is happening right now. Israel does not have an obligation to provide Hamas with vital supplies. Hamas knows all of these things come from Israel. They know their people rely on it for basic needs yet chose to kill innocent people and put that supply line at predictable risk of being cut. They chose this.
Thewayofthebear
Do us all a favour and look up the number of people the Israelis have killed over the last, oh pick a time period. Guess where they are from. Also, you are complicit with the stealing of land and houses. The open prison that is the Gaza strip then yes?
EverythingWithFries
It really isn't helpful to turn to tallyboard logic of injustices to justify the actions taken by Iran this weekend - woops I mean Hamas & Iran. Nor should Israel have the right when considering electricity and power provided to civilians in the Gaza strip nor the slow drip of atrocities they are responsible for as well. The whole reason this region is embroiled in conflict is due to each side digging in on this logic and outside forces not being able to make any diplomatic inroads.
StarvingGarbage
The people of Gaza elected Hamas to represent them. Hamas has a stated founding objective to commit genocide against the Israeli people. Yeah, if my neighbor openly told me his sole driving purpose in life to kill me and slaughter my family I'd build a pretty big fucking wall. They had a chance at a real government and they picked the guys promising endless war regardless of civilian suffering.
lunatic02
And in 1948 when the Jews stole Palestine from the people living there, what recourse did they have?
elcee50
Palestine hasn't had an election since 2006. A huge swath of people in Gaza weren't even alive, let alone able to vote 17 years ago.
StarvingGarbage
Yeah, they should probably picked leaders who would let them keep voting, but that was their choice. Israel didn't make them pick hamas and Israel can't make hamas allow new elections without being called tyrants for it. It's a no-win for anyone.
sleepinggreenidea
Before you start trying to use this rationale, you might wanna look closely at the stated positions vis a vis Palestine of the member parties in Israel's ruling coalition.
StarvingGarbage
Oh some of them are real shitty, especially under Netanyahu. But when they offered to negotiate if Hamas would remove the calls for genocide from their charter it was a flat no.
orp0piru
wisher1977
It's almost like what they learned from the Nazis is actually how to treat people, instead of how NOT to treat people...
TrilithonStone
Yeah... for about the last 70 years...
ConfessionsofMeandpornfavorites
Must be part of the 70 year plan, because this has been the goal since inception.
Outstrider
It's the Anakin way.
Tumescentpie
Weird how these people became the nazis. It is kind of upsetting how they've hidden behind the claim of antisemitism for 80 years while building towards being full blown nazis. Also who helped start Hamas? Oh shit these fucking Jewish nazis. Fuck Isreal.
shakedownblues
They've been planning for this all along, they've just been waiting long enough to have a big enough distraction (War in Ukraine) to try and do it in a way that they otherwise avoid the most critical voices/nations/etc...
madeejit
Make you wonder if there really was an intelligence failure...
dirtcreature
You realize the attack was on the anniversary of the Yom Kippur war, don't you? You know, the war that was meant to destroy Israel once and for all with most nations surrounding Israel banded together to do exactly that? This fucking stupid conspiracy bullshit only serves to fuel the fire of stupidity. Read your history. Hamas is NOT the IRA. Hamas does not want compromise. Hamas wants the END of Israel. Period.
Murmull
not all palestinians are hamas, and yet they will be treated as such.
BlahBlahTurtle
I heard today that almost 50% of Gaza strip locals are children. It's got to be a war crime to go in there guns blazing.
dirtcreature
Gaza voted for Hamas whose written doctrine is not only to destroy Israel but to turn the entire region into a strict Islamists state. All the while they steal from them time and time again and tell them it's Israel. Israel is not innocent, but Hamas is a modern day mob.
Asadsadsadclown
Israel has participating in a slow genocide of the Palestinian people for 70 years. Hamas are monsters, but so is Israel. Israel does everything it can to abuse those people into joining Hamas and then uses that to justify doing even more. There are no good guys in this fight. Just monsters and the monsters that make them. A circular conflict born from arbitrary line drawing in the wake of WW2.
Tumescentpie
They've been doing an ethnic cleansing for years and I've just been calling it a genocide because that is always what ethnic cleansing leads to. I'm upset that my fears are being validated.
dirtcreature
Horseshit.
Tumescentpie
You can search my comments on the website. I'm not even going to look back. Look for "ethnic clean" you'll find them I'm 90% sure it was here. Or on reddit with this user name or under nottumescentpie. Good luck kiddo.
dirtcreature
Look up Hamas. Good luck kiddo.
Prinzka
Don't say that on Reddit, if you counter someone advocating genocide of Palestinians Reddit admins will actually ban you from the whole site.
NonstopRampage
Thats why he said it on imgur!
Sageypie
The mentality around it is so fucked. If you criticize the actions of the nation of Israel, then most people fly to labeling you as anti-semitic. I'm a jewish dude, and what the government of Israel is doing to the Palestinians is fucked. But if I say that, then I'm labeled a self hating jew. Like, fucks sake, we should be able to criticize a shitty government without it being treated as an attack on the people of that nation.
kadaeux
A group of people suffered from one of the most evil actions in known history, this group has weaponised that tragedy as a weapon to shield them from criticism and silence their enemies, and if they fail to silence them, sufficiently discredit them to a degree their protest is impotent.
Sageypie
It's not even just the protest from outside of the nation that is rendered impotent. They've weaponized this to a degree where their own people can't even protest government policies without facing the same sort of backlash.
TektronixTDS360
Azerbaijan did this to a self-governing Armenian enclave within its borders for nine months earlier this year and the world sat and watched. Now all the indigenous people have been forced out.
DocWino
My Armenian co-worker pointed this out to me today.
orp0piru
https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh-weapons-israel-6814437bcd744acc1c4df0409a74406c
biggiej
See, the trick is, its only evil and shameful when Jews do it. (sarcasm).
icbk
What have you done personally? No offence, but "the world" sounds like you're talking about some other people, excluding yourself from the group.
Thesavagehamster
I think they're pointing out the difference in attention here. They would be excluded as they obviously paid attention enough to know about this event.
astroboy86
UN, the EU, NATO, american diplomacy have a little more leverage than the average Joe
madjo
Human animals? That sounds suspiciously like "Untermenschen". Not sure if a Jewish person should be using such terms.
Giantmutantcrab
Conservatism. Cruelty is the point.
chesirecats
Now now, you're not allowed to criticise Israel and certainly not allowed to suggest they could be acting like Nazis, you anti-semite!! /s
CalvinMcFly
plural noun: Untermenschen
a person considered racially or socially inferior.
TanithRosenbaum
To add to that, it's a term that was coined by and is strongly associated with the Nazis. If used in contemporary German, the term is considered a slur with undertones of Nazi ideology, unless used in a very strictly educational historical context.
SirenBrick
Well the prime minister of Israel is a self described "Ultra Right Wing Jewish Racial Superiority Supporter", and has said it isn't a bad thing to be called a NAZI.
Merky600
“Humans don’t like killing humans” Ok. They’re not human anymore. Dehumanization if the enemy. Old story.
DodyShiratori
Well he say "Hitler wasn't try to kill all Jews, he was trying to relocate them" or some nonsense like that.
DodyShiratori
*did say
SuspiciousCactus
Did you miss the part where thousands of Hamas terrorists butched hundreds of civilians, r*ped women and dragged the bodies of women and children through the streets? Ive been pretty pro Palestine in the past, they get a raw deal and are treated badly. But what more horrific thing does someone have to do to justify being called an animal than what just happened? Do you not know what happened or something?
PinkFluffyUniKosi
Holy shit. Delusional guy. Hamas and palestine are not the same thing. Thats like bombing whole Amerika because of the Maga cunts....
You guys are so Black and White... fucking stupid..
lunatic02
If some freeloading assholes decided they owned my land because 2000 years ago some vaguely-related people lived around the area I'd be up in arms too; especially if those same assholes keep taking more and more and are stealing more and more of my country each year while calling us human animals.
methadonegirls
Nods in American Indian
basiccricket8444
Not all Palestinians are hamas
aqueueforyou
Truth, Hamas gunned down civilians. Both sides are f**ked
AllGloryToTheDarkLord
No one is condoning Hamas... the problem is everytime the isreali government commits human rights violations, everyone acts like Hamas are the good guys, and everytime Hamas commits human rights violations, everyone acts like the Isreali government are the good guys.. We need to stop and recognize that BOTH Hamas AND the Isreali government are far-right conservative ultra-nationalist militant terrorist cells, and the only victims are the Isreali and Palestinian civilians. Religion is a curse.
ZachariasWolfe
You know what, you're right. There are terrorists there, so we should deprive all the civilians of their basic human rights as punishment for.. uh... Living there also, I guess?
jamesx
Did you miss the part some Jews rose up in arms against Nazis when Nazis put them in Ghottos and Concentration Camps? Now they are the nazis.
yallmfsneedjesus
At a music festival no less. However, there are no good guys in this. Imo, bith sides have committed multiple atrocities. A 3rd party needs to get involved. Like a parent breaking up a fight between two kids beating the shit outta each other.
downsouthfarm
Did you miss the part where Israel systematically drove the Palestinians from their land, bulldozing peoples homes WHILE THEY WERE IN THEM, shot their children, and packed them all into tiny spaces with few resources?
yallmfsneedjesus
One doesn't justify the other. They have both committed multiple atrocities. A third party needs to step in before they blow each other off the face of the planet.
IAlwaysEatGlue
Self defence laws state youre allowed to use like force to defend yourself and those two atrocities seem pretty similar. Why arent you upset that israel started it instead of getting mad at the victim for lashing out. I bet you blame the victims of bullying for their situation too...
Jandegrote
It does we killed executed nazi's bombed their homes and i am perfectly fine with it :)
Giantmutantcrab
Did you miss the last 50 years of Palestinian genocide at the hands of israel? Hamas is a terrible option for Palestine. Now if only Israel would stop with the biggest open-air concentration camp in the world, Hamas would lose its power over Palestine.
Bhargo
people literally dont care because Israel is mean, its insane the double standard people are using here. Israel is evil because they kill civilians, but when palestine does it its because israel forced them to. both of these groups are terrible people that want to wipe each other out, people need to stop pretending like palestine is the good guy there is no good guy
ProjectDA
no, its both are unacceptable events. israel is likely going to do unacceptable shit because of this. which will just keep the circle going by giving palestinians reasons to do unacceptable shit back. israel has a right to defend itself and kill hamas, but they are most likely going to attack indiscriminately, just like we criticize russia over.
Bhargo
except people ARENT criticizing hamas, they are handwaving it saying its israels fault for treating palestine so bad. all day I have seen victim blaming and people defending a literal terrorist attack because they dont like the victim. palestine attacks indiscriminately and everyone just shrugs and says it is what it is, israel attacks indiscriminately and its the worst thing ever how could they do this
Bhargo
if Ukraine launched a sudden attack and hit a civilian population center slaughtering everyone they saw as they went along, do you think ANYONE would be shrugging like oh well its horrible but man russia really you did this to yourself you know
atomfixes101
I think if someone launched 5000 rockets at your friends and family you’d be fine cutting their electricity, I sure didn’t hear you complain about the two countries you destroyed when 2 buildings fell
Giantmutantcrab
Did you miss the last 50 years of Palestinian genocide at the hands of israel? Hamas is a terrible option for Palestine. Now if only Israel would stop with the biggest open-air concentration camp in the world, Hamas would lose its power over Palestine.
AreYouABadPerson
rofl a lot of people weren't terribly happy with Bush deciding to use 9/11 as cover to go finish daddy's war. And while going after the
AreYouABadPerson
Taliban in Afghanistan was a legit decision, the way it was handled was fucking awful and there's plenty of people who will tell you what a
AreYouABadPerson
giant waste of time, and awful source of human misery, it was.
atomfixes101
My dude, people were foaming at the mouth. Every media station broadcast the attacks live for people to watch.