"If one man can show so much hate, think how much love we can show together." In memory of the Utøya attack.

Jul 22, 2018 10:43 AM

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Today might just be another day for 99.93 percent of the world. But to a miniscule percent, in the small country of Norway, today marks the 7th anniversary of the worst terrorist attack ever put upon this country. Put together by one man aiming to change the entire political world of Norway through violence.

The July 22. attacks were two sequential terrorist attacks, commited by Anders Behring Breivik, a domestic terrorist and extremist right winger, who aimed to send a message to what he believed to be the two main enemies of Norway, the labor party and the religion of Islam.
The first attack occured in Oslo's governmental center, a city block of 9 political buildings, all important to the politcal activity of Norway. Breivik parked a car containing a fertilizer bomb weighting 950 kilograms, or in excess of 2 000 pounds near the prime minister's office. The bomb exploded few minutes after he left the car and killed 8 people, and injured an excess of 30 people, as well as damaging multiple political departments and the prime minister's office.

Two hours later, Breivik arrived at Utøya in Tyrifjorden, where the Labor party's youth array (AUF) were arranging their summer camp. Disguised as a policeman, Breivik opened fire on teachers and students with a machine gun, killing 66, of which 33 were below the age of 18, and injuring 66 more. The prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg had been planning a surprise visit to the island one day after the attack to hold a speech for the Labor party's camp. Breivik's attack continued for an hour, before he was arrested by the Hønefoss Police.
The attacks, including victims who died later due to injuries, killed 78 people, and injured an excess of 300 people.

During interrogation Breivik admitted to what he called "Gruesome, but necessary actions" But did not admit to Criminal activity. His motivations were to display his vision of Western Europe to the world, through his Manifesto: "2083 - A European Declaration of Independence" released online a few hours before his attacks, of which the Ideological content was both extremist-right and millitant, and showcased his view that Norway's two biggest enemies were the labor party and the religion of Islam, both of which he aimed to throttle the recruiting of with his attack.

Under trial, it was deemed that Breivik did not suffer from psychosis, and was fully aware and consciouss of his actions during his months of planning. He is currently serving a 21 year sentence (The highest Norwegian law will allow outside crimes of war.) in Skien prison, under heavy psychological surveillance

In the end however, Breivik lost. His attack did not change the political world of Norway, or laws to either Laborers or Islamists, the Norwegian people do not cover in fear over him, and the only hate he succeeded in spreading was that against himself and his message.
"We are still shaken by what his us, but we will NEVER give up our values. Our answer is even more democracy, more openness and more humanity. But never naivety." -Jens Stoltenberg, Norway's prime minister. (2011)

To any fellow Norwegians, those who might've known the poor faces above, or those unfortunate enough to share a last name with them, my heart goes out to you. The biggest respect we can pay them is to honor their memory, and show them that the actions of one hatefull man will not ruin our country.

In loving memory of those who were taken from us too early, by the hands of hatred and bigroty:
Mona Abdinur Age:18
Ismail Haji Ahmed Age:19
Thomas Margido Antonsen Age:16
Porntip Ardam Age:21
Modupe Ellen Awoyemi Age:15
Lene Maria Bergum Age:19
Kevin Daae Berland Age:15
Trond Berntsen Age:51
Sverre Flåte Bjørkavåg Age:28
Torjus Jakobsen Blattmann Age:17
Carina Borgund Age:18
Johannes Buø Age:14
Monica Elisabeth Bøsei Age:45
Åsta Sofie Helland Age:16
Sondre Furseth Dale Age:17
Monica Iselin Didriksen Age:18
Gizem Dogan Age:17
Andreas Edvardsen Age:18
Tore Eikeland Age:21
Bendik Rosnæs Ellingsen Age:18
Hanne Marie Orvik Endresen Age:61
Aleksander Aas Eriksen Age:16
Andrine Bakkene Espeland Age:16
Hanne Anette Balch Fjalestad Age:43
Silje Merete Age:17
Hanne Kristine Age:19
Andreas Dalby Age:17
Snorre Haller Age:30
Kai Hauge Age:32
Rune Havdal Age:43
Ingrid Berg Heggelund Age:18
Ida Marie Hill Age:34
Karin Elena Holst Age:15
Anne Lise Holter Age:51
Eivind Hovden Age:15
Guro Vartdal Håvoll Age:18
Jamil Rafal Mohamad Jamil Age:20
Steinar Jessen Age:16
Maria Maagerø Johannesen Age:17
Ronja Søttar Johansen Age:17
Espen Jørgensen Age:17
Sondre Kjøren Age:17
Margrethe Bøyum Age:16
Syvert Knudsen Age:17
Tove Åshill Knutsen Age:56
Anders Kristiansen Age:18
Jon Vegard Lervåg Age:32
Elisabeth Trønnes Lie Age:16
Gunnar Linaker Age:23
Tamta Lipartelliani Age:23
Eva Kathinka Lütken Age:17
Hanne Ekroll Løvlie Age:30
Even Flugstad Malmedal Age:18
Tarald Kuven Mjelde Age:18
Ruth Benedichte Vatndal Age:15
Emil Okkenhaug Age:15
Diderik Aamodt Olsen Age:19
Henrik André Pedersen Age:27
Rolf Christopher Johansen Age:25
Karar Mustafa Qasim Age:19
Bano Abobakar Rashid Age:18
Henrik Rasmussen Age:18
Ida Beathe Rogne Age:17
Synne Røyneland Age:18
Kjersti Berg Age:26
Marianne Sandvik Age:16
Fredrik Lund Schjetne Age:18
Lejla Selaci Age:17
Birgitte Smetbak Age:15
Isabel Victoria Green Age:17
Silje Stamneshagen Age:18
Victoria Stenberg Age:17
Tina Sukuvara Age:18
Sharidyn Svebakk-Bøhn Age:14
Simon Sæbø Age:18
Håvard Vederhus Age:21
Håkon Ødegaard Age:17

If you have read this far, thank you so, so much. It means more than you think. This was to Norway what 9.11 were to you Americans, even as I write this I can hear the local churchbell ring as people gather to mourn the losses of almost a hundred people. Thank you for your time, I hope I didn't ruin your mood for the day with this story.

FP:EDIT Oh my god guys Front page!? This means a lot to me, when I first began to socialize online I realized a lot of my american friends had never heard of this attack, of course I don't blame anyone, Norway is a tiny tiny country, half the size of Texas with a fifth of the population of just that one state, so helping to spread the word of this awful incident means a lot to me. I understand that a post like this will inherently spark a lot of political comments and opinions, but I ask of you to please keep it classy, In the end this is not a post meant to discuss the details of terror laws or prison terms, but a way to remember the most significant incident in modern Norwegian history.

Apart from that, uuhh... Send boobs! I like the huge ones. Every comment gets upvoted! Even if you slam your head into the keyboard, points for all!

The north remembers

7 years ago | Likes 359 Dislikes 6

I remember driving past utøya going home from summer break two day after. It was super rainy, and I just remember Hearses parked everywhere.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Porntip Ardam

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

This post aims to respect and mourn the victims, nothing else... but when we're in private we can giggle at that... and prepare for hell..

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It is the worst terrorist attack in the Nordic countries. Carried out by a right wing extremist, not by a Muslim. The real threat comes /1

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

/2 from within our borders. Not from the refuges. Most attacks are carried out by neo-Nazis and right wing extremists.

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

I moved to Norway 2 weeks after this happened. Sharing in the grief of a nation was heartbreaking, but no one ever excluded me. 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 2

Your nation welcomed an immigrant as a friend, and for that I will be forever awed and grateful. 2/2

7 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

You can never ruin somone's day with a heartfelt tribute to loved ones lost in a senseless act. Thks for telling those of us who didn't know

7 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 3

Vi glömmer aldrig ?

7 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 1

❤ Canada sends its love. We have to stand up for decency in this time of political bullshittery.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Thank you for making this post. I lost more than I care to explain on that fateful day 7 years ago. Tusen takk.

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

I remember this day

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Before this post I didn't know the names of any of the victims, but I knew his name and why he did it.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Mitt lille land Et lite sted, en håndfull fred Slengt ut blant vidder og fjord

7 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 1

Ole Paus og Maria Mena :(

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

“More democracy, more openness, more humanity...” hear hear.

7 years ago | Likes 422 Dislikes 17

This is an incredibly mature response to this horrible attack.

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

1) As a Norwegian: his actions were a result of less democracy and openness with regard to Norwegian politics. Not defending his actions and

7 years ago | Likes 56 Dislikes 5

2) I absolutely despise the man.

7 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 5

Just a reminder that there are people in high political office who share his ideology. They demonize the other and all who won't join them.

7 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 12

Just like the democrats do

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

I remember this story. I am glad to hear your country healed but still honors their memories.

7 years ago | Likes 396 Dislikes 10

The people that survived are getting death threats , still to this day. Threats saying «he» did nothing wrong and a bullet is waiting on’em

7 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

That is so fucking terrible for them. :( I can't imagine how they cope with that shit.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Norway is in a much darker place now than before, and claiming we healed and has gotten better is a lie.Even our ministers r nourishing hate

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The youngest one was fuicking 14 man... we never forget, not this.

7 years ago | Likes 63 Dislikes 0

I’m so used to this shit in America that I almost swiped past this but then read it and was like “fuck why didn’t we hear about this!?!” I’m

7 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 1

There was information about this in the USA when it happened, but I'm not sure how widespread it was. I ended up reading about it much later

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

so sorry for you all. And am shamed I almost swiped past it because I’m just so used to it/numbed. This was very moving.

7 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Were are you from?

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

USA. Between all the shootings and random bombings we constantly have its like “another one?”

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Sometimes the dimmest bulbs go out with the biggest flash.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The thing that these retarded radicals do not realize is that by doing things like this they only martyr their opponents.

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 3

So to attack the labor party and muslims, he killed mostly teenagers...

7 years ago | Likes 66 Dislikes 3

He attacked the labor party's teen summer camp...

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The Labour party's youth club. Iirc he reasoned that they were "future of the Labour party" and targeted them because of that

7 years ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 0

Not completely unsound. I think what Breivik also hoped was to promote violence in politics. Unfortunately he hasn't yet lost that fight.

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 3

I remember this day like it was yesterday; we were celebrating my lil'sisters birthday, and the whole family was there, but when my 1/?

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

Uncle from Oslo arrived he said that something was happening in Oslo, the tv got turned on, and all the grownups where gathered in the 2/?

7 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Tv room, glued to the tv. The live views from the bombing was horrible. Even worse was when the rumor about something else started to 3/?

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Surface, so many of the kids tried to call the police, but not all of them came trough, so they sent messages on facebook, twitter 4/?

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

We knew something was happening, but not what. And then the numbers started pouring in, up in the hundreds, teenages dead. Horrible.

7 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

It was a confusing and horrible time. I heard the bomb go off when visiting a family friend in Holmen. Thought it was thunder since there 1/

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

He admitted to listening to techno music through head phones so the screams wouldn’t change his mind during the massacre. Horrifying.

7 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 0

I watched a BBC documentary that said when he got on the island he was listening to Lux Aeterna

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yeah I may have misspoke. I watched the same doc.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That'd certainly fit his narcissism and self-inflated importance.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

We have to call it by its name, white radical Christian terrorism.

7 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 5

Thank you. I hate it when people throw names like Nazi and KKK around without regard for definitons, historical accuracy is important.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Most people don't know the actual definition of Fascism, I bet you don't. I didn't until a few years ago.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

FASCISM IS WHAT EVERY ONE WHO VOTED TRUMP IS TRYING TO FORCE ON MUSLIMS AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO KILL THEM. -The internet, probably.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Trump has no ideology though his puppet masters are dragging us to Theocratic Fascism. Some voted for him for economic reasons which were BS

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No matter how much you hate islam or a different political party that's not a way to show it...

7 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 4

Thank you so much for this post, from someone who was personally affected. Never forget the names of the people we tragically lost that day.

7 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 4

Do you mind to share how it affected you, given you are really okay with it? Otherwise, please ignore my question. Thank you!

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Lost a pretty close friend of mine. I'd rather not share any names, if that's okay! I've been a part of AUF for quite some time!

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Thank you for sharing and sorry for your loss!

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Sorry to hear this, thank you for sharing. All the best!

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I was going to make a political comment but I can't. I just hope I'll never forget these people.

7 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 5

I'll help. And it all happened because of Trump and russian hackers!

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 8

The comment really makes itself

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

Wasn't a machine gun, it was a semi-auto M14 style rifle.

7 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 11

Ruger Mini 14, to be exact.

7 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

Mini 14 = .223 cal. M14 = .308 cal.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Nuh-uh, it was a AR style AK-47 Glock assault rifle with the chainsaw attachment!

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

They need to outlaw those. The chainsaw is too much testosterone

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's unfair that they ban those but still legalize the dildo crossbows with nightvision though.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

He wasn't apprehended by Hønefoss police either. Beredskapstroppen Delta (Oslo) did.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Homocide machine, there you guys happy now?

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 9

That could be a BMW or paint can.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Not sure if the typo is intentional or not. Changes how you read the message quite a bit...

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Everything's a machine gun to people who know shit about firearms.

7 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 11

I don't know that the subtle difference mattered to his victims.

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

Of course not, but it made a difference as to how many people were killed.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Calling something a machine gun merely makes it scarier. It's a fear tactic and besides that is wrong.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm a carguy, people make mistakes about car stuff all day long,doesn't mean I need to act like I'm better. Same goes for firearms mistakes.

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 4

This. I own guns and roll my eyes whenever someone thinks they're smarter than others because they know the diff between a mag and clip.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

But there's nothing wrong with educating people.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Very true, but there's a difference between educating and arrogance because someone doesn't know particulars about your area of interest.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I don’t use this lightly, but what a cunt.

7 years ago | Likes 587 Dislikes 11

He considers Muslims terrorists, yet launches his own terrorist attack.....

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Fuck you too, bro.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Yeah, you're much better than him.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Aye, a right cunt, and not in the Australian sense of the word.

7 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

We still call dickheads cunts. This guy is a right fucking dipshit headed cunt tho.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

He also recently complained about being treated unfairly. Cunt has a PS 3, cable TV and an access to any book he wants in a huge library.

7 years ago | Likes 75 Dislikes 1

He's a cunt with Blue Waffle

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

That would imply pleasurable depth and warmth..

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Norwegian jails are like a 6 star hotel..

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Norway also has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I heard he was complaining that his allowance wasn’t high enough and wanted more PlayStation games. Talk about a rough 21 year sentence

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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7 years ago (deleted Aug 16, 2018 4:02 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Hoooooo boy. That's some dark dark shit. Funny, but funny like 9/11 jokes.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 12

what did it say?

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

No judgement but I think you may have misread the tone of this post.

7 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Fuck you.

7 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 2

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Isnt the dude also a huge twat that complained about only having a ps2 in his cell

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Why is this guy still alive and costing you everyday. Why did you buy him a PS2 ???? Stop it.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He's still whining. He even took his "unjust suffering" to the Court of Human Rights in Prague. Boo-fucking-hoo.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

His lawyer still claims he's showing signs of isolation damage. Let's fucking hope so

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Should've thought about that before he went an executed a bunch of children, shouldn't he? I hope he drowns in his whiny manbaby tears.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This idiot hoped he would become a martyr, then pussied out and hoped he coudl become an imprisoned martyr. And now he's all alone in prison

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

With his PS2. That he loathes.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

First off, fuck those who down voted, and second, there's a special place in hell for people who kill kids. My love to the victims

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

They may just not like posts that mention a mass murderer's name. I for one would rather hear about the victims, not the murderer.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

That is a downright logical answer

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It's a difference in culture I suppose, this is a first to Norway and still is, so knowing every detail becomes vital to understanding it.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

v nicely put

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But it's also a clearly understood thing. There's plenty of research to show that putting killers in the news tends to cause more acts>>

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

>>of violence. It may be new to have mass killings in Norway, but that does not mean it isn't already understood. Sadly US news still >>

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

>>publishes names and pictures of killers, even when told not to by the government for the same reason stated above.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

21 years???

7 years ago | Likes 1158 Dislikes 16

in Year 20, they'll put him in general pop, and "Leak" what he did and when he's due to get out. Gen pop will take care of it.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 16

Full life sentences are relatively rare in Europe. In the UK they do exist as "full life tariffs", for offenders judged a permanent risk.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I believe they have maximum sentencing limits. Also, Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world. (1)

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The US has one of the highest recidivism rates and the HIGHEST incarcerated population in the world.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The Netherlands is the only European country where life incarceration is life incarceration. And we get criticized for it by the ECHR

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Isn't 20 years "life" in the US? Have an uncle sentenced to 4 life sentences, or 80 years, has to earn parole on each sentence separately.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He's 56. Aka, he's never getting out.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The system's maximum penalty is 21 years, but it doesn't forbid extending it.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

21 years with the possibility of extension if he is still considered a threat to society.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It can be extended indefinitely...

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

European country penalty for breaking law is retarded!!! Too laxxed

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

What a fucking joke! Send him over to Texas, we'll show you Norwegians how real justice works.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 9

Keep in mind, that's 21 years with no PS4.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Somebody will come after him though

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You must not know any Norwegians.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Doubtful.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Norway things jail and death sentences are bad. Some jails over there are hotels

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 27

Better approach than the US who use prisons as private slave labor camps.

7 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

While better than the steel cages of the us, you're still confined. A cheap bed, desk and chair, a TV if you're nice, does not luxury make

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Norway has a very high standard of living in general, and it's only natural that it reflects on how prisons look. What seems like a hotel to

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

Is not so much a high standart of living as it is treating prisoners like people. Scandinavia believes in rehabilitation.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

someone from a poorer country, could be below standard to a Norwegian.

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

AND: It fucking works. Way lower rate of second offenders in all Scandinavian countries as opposed to the US, because of this approach.

7 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

As a norwegian, I think he deserves death penalty. But there is no death penalty here

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

What exactly makes him deserve the death penalty? Is there a certain number of people you have to kill, or when you kill children maybe?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That sort of question is out my knowledge, but you certainly shouldnt be let off easily by killing 70+ people?

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Of course not. Still, the law must be based on rational decisions, not emotion. If you call for death sentence, you have to explain why.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Breivik, who is not deemed insane, considered homicide as the best course of action to highlight his political views.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He's in a comfortable cell in Norway complsining about the torture of having a ps2. Not the punishment I think he deserves

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It gets revisited then extended in 5 year increments.

7 years ago | Likes 146 Dislikes 0

Got ya

7 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

I hate it when people who talk about this don't explain how they can extend it after 21 years, and are definitely going to.

7 years ago | Likes 81 Dislikes 1

It makes Norway look crazy.

7 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 4

Its crazier that they can just keep someone in jail indefinitely. His case it's fine, but others it's scary.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They can't do that for any prisoner, it's a difference between a regular prison sentence and the one that can be extended. The latter is

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

only used in the worst crimes, for the most dangerous inmates.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I bet every country has laws that makes them look crazy to outsiders because they don't understand the law or the intent behind it.

7 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Norway and most other countries rather aim for reintegration than locking up for life and/or death penalties

7 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

500 year long sentences makes the US look crazy.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Exactly. What happens after 21yrs? He gets out and then what? The parents, friends and family of all those people must ask the same question

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 43

1. Norway believes in rehabilitating criminals, and it has a very high success rate.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No they just have a great criminal justice system focused on rehabilitation.But don’t worry he’ll never get out they can extend it if deemed

7 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 2

A threat which he’ll likely be

7 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

He'll be evaluated before any release happens, if they don't think it's safe to let him out he'll be kept in prison.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

3. The Norwegian maximum sentence is 21 years with the possibility of extension as long as he is a threat to society. He will never get out.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2. The Norwegian prison system is mainly designed to protect the public, rather than punish the inmates.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1/2Europe has different life sentences and believes more in reintegration, that said, they will never release him because they have the

7 years ago | Likes 774 Dislikes 0

Go on....

7 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 6

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7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

2/2 secret human zoo, which he will be sold into shortly after the end of his term.

7 years ago | Likes 293 Dislikes 6

You got me. You ass!

7 years ago | Likes 42 Dislikes 1

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

2/2 (let me help out) ..Option to keep people longer in Prison if they are a threat to Society. Psychologists test them

7 years ago | Likes 117 Dislikes 3

7 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 3

This isn't a "Europe" thing. Each country has its own laws and sentencing length.

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Germany is similar. „Lifelong“ means 15 years. Longer can be possible but only if you are a threat to society

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So someone that would end up with a life term anyway...

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Probably more of a Scandinavian thing.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Not long enough for some family members to come after him. I hope they take their time.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 8

Your eye for an eye approach belongs back in the dark ages, not in a modern society like Norway.

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

I think you should try to contact the families of the victims with that message. See how that works out

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Never let yourself succumb to barbarism.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Those families are part of the country of Norway, the country that choose to have it like this.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

They're behind it.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

What about death sentence for mass murderers? Why pay for irredeemable persons prison care?

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

The cost of death penalty is ridiculously high. I'd rather pay for life sentence with chances of rehabilitation than for death penalty.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Death sentence also belongs in the dark ages

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Would you see Breivik ever released from prison? No. Is there a chance he's innocent? No. Then what's the point?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Exactly.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If you want to prove the likes of Breivik wrong, don't hope that.

7 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

And he's in a plush prison cell compared to the US. F that guy

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 13

Well, just because US prisons are hellish, doesn't mean he shouldn't be in the prison cell he's in. It means US conditions should improve.

7 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 4

lol

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

American felons are released from prison with appalling rates of PTSD.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No reason to dismantle a great prison system just because one guy deserves worse.

7 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

it's not the overcrowded hell-hole that US prisons are, but it's hardly plush. I was curious so i looked it up (picture in next reply)

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

more than he deserves, but not exactly a Hilton, https://splinternews.com/this-is-what-an-inhuman-prison-cell-looks-like-in-norwa-1793856364

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That place looks like a US college dorm haha. What a joke.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

That's an interesting take on the US education system, considering how much you have to pay for it in the first place.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Way nicer than my dorm room

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

that plush prison cell system works to reintegrate prisoners, yours doesnt. thats why ours is better.

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 5

I mean let's be honest he isn't gonna be reintegrated. He's in that cell for the rest of his life. To think otherwise is nuts

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

For this one case sure, but look up Norway's recidivism rates vs the US's before you judge their system as a whole. It works.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It slaughtered 78 people. Don't even say the word reintegration around that. Slaughter that thing like the animal it is and move on.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 9

Classic.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That’s not the way a civilized society responds to this kind of acts. That’s barbaric and we must be better.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

i disagree

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

2/2 Right to detain him indefinitely if evaluated to be a danger to society by psychiatrists. So it’s no guarantee he’s free after 21 years

7 years ago | Likes 830 Dislikes 3

Wasn't it 21 years per murder?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Yes but in Europe you serve those sentences concurrently rather than consecutively.

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

You realise that each country has its own sentencing laws, right...?

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I do, but for the most part, this holds true.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He will most likely spend his entire life in jail, as they can't guarantee that he will be safe upon release.

7 years ago | Likes 219 Dislikes 0

He will be killed if he is released. That humanity can guarantee. But he won't be.

7 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 3

there was an incident in jail where another inmate almost got to him. He has to be in total isolation from other I mates for his own safety

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Yeah thats weird, once you complete a sentence in the US you are released. Although the US criminal justice system is completely fucked

7 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 2

And if he is ever release he has to first show remorse and admit his manifesto is worthless. For him, that is worse then life sentence

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh thank god

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hopefully he kills himself in jail

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

No.. he is miserable in jail and he threatens to starve himself because of his conditions. Let him suffer for the rest of his life.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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7 years ago (deleted Jul 6, 2022 12:53 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

They dont let him interact with other people except the guards. He wants to write stuff online as well

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So it's a guarantee 21 years then? And then after they can decided to just extend it until they find him no longer a threat to the public?

7 years ago | Likes 71 Dislikes 1

Pretty much, yes. 21 years for certain, and then they will decide whether to continue to keep him after that. Considering he is unrepentant>

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

it is a given they will keep him behind bars for much, much longer than 21 years. It's just the maximum we can sentence someone to here.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's sorta like going up for parole in the US, where a board decides if you're a threat or not. He obviously is, so they won't release him.

7 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

more like til the public is no longer a threat to him.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I believe it can be extended 5 years at a time after the initial 21 years. Theyll extend it 5 years every 5 years til he dies.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They will probably never release him. He was a never before seen challenge for our legal system and still continues to be.

7 years ago | Likes 71 Dislikes 0

That said, who knows, 21 years is enough time for someone to change.

7 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 4

We’re talking about willfully murdering children. If you believe he’ll change, I’ve got some lovely property on the moon to sell you.

7 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 8

so far he's don'e nothing but bitch, and continue his rantings. some can change and we can hope for it. but him...I doubt it

7 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 0

Seriously. For fucks sake it is crazy to think he could be a free person again. Dude should never see the light of day again

7 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 15

evaluate his continuous danger, justice is served. Life sentences are just as stupid as are death sentences. (2/2)

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

He will never be a free man again. They can continue to detain him.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Don’t worry, he probably won’t.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

It is necessary to rule this way- only then there is the chance of reintegration, for everyone. Only if a board of specialists have to (1/2)

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

He wont. His type of sentence is one that can be extended indefinitely. Only the worst crime gets this type, which are not regular sentences

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The only reason he got as little as 21 is because that's the maximum allowed. But it doesn't really matter for this type of sentence/crime.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

What if, instead of using prison to punish (which tends to make reoffenders), it was used to rehabilitate? That's how it works there.

7 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 4

To those who obviously don't get this: It's about upholding a system that works, and not bending it just because Breivik is a monster.

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

I am all about rehabilitation, something like two mass terror attacks though? Some people are too far gone

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You dont rehabilitate someone who murdered 77 people.... You execute them

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 10

No, you cannot fight hate with hate, it just doesnt work. To make a murderer see the wrong in their ways you must show them forgiveness, 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

That will make them truly hurt.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

He can't reoffend if he never leaves the jail

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 5

It's expensive to keep people in prison, they cost money and contribute virtually nothing to society.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

He probably won't ever leave jail, they can extend his sentence indefinitely.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Check crime and recidivism in US vs there before you start questioning their ways.

7 years ago | Likes 75 Dislikes 9

For a second i thought you meant the us did well and i was gonna habe to go on a tirade, but you didnt so +1

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

wait. do you think that the 21 year prison "limit that isn't really a limit" will solve recidivism in the US? lmfao

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 14

Or we can continue with the "limits that aren't really limits" we have in the US. *shrug*

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Seems pretty clear he was implying that the prison system in Norway is more effective at rehabilitation.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

No of course not. It's a result of a system of rehabilitation rather than a cause of rehabilitation

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's not about the length, it's about what they do with that length. Norway is not a vindictive, angry, hateful country like the U.S. is.

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

Ah I figured there was a narrative in there somewhere.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

No but their rehabilitation and reintegration approach works better than our system.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Just joining the convo now but I don't think some people deserve rehab/reintegration.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Considering Norway had a total pop of @5M & just TX has @23M in 2017. Norway's prison pop was 74/100K & US 655/100K. Also our prisons are (1

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

for profit. It doesn't make the stakeholders $ to rehab prisoners. Esp when stakeholders are politicians. So more prisoners & $ = no rehab.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"21 years?! This rich, peaceful country is doing something different from us and therefore is DOOMED and STUPID" -Americans on the internet

7 years ago | Likes 53 Dislikes 19

Really? You want to include all Americans in your comment? What’s that say about you? SMH

7 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 10

He/she is referencing the Americans saying those things.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Prison isnt only for rehabilitation. Its also supposed to be a punishment. 21 years of your life in return for killing 74 people is Bullshit

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 7

Exactly. So if I kill a man I get 3 and half months?

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

I do understand that they can extend the sentences now, but my gut reaction on seeing "21 years" was not a good one.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

Then let's stop going with our guts and use our brains. :)

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

My "brain" sees "21 years (the max under law)" and directly infers that his sentence is 21 years. Im not sure how else to take that.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4