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“Basically, Texas has its own grid to avoid dealing with — you guessed it — the feds. But grid independence has been violated a few times over the years — not even counting Mexico's help during last week's blackouts.” (originally published in 2011)
“Why does Texas have its own electric grid?
Texas' secessionist inclinations have at least one modern outlet: the electric grid. There are three grids in the Lower 48 states: the Eastern Interconnection, the Western Interconnection — and Texas.
The Texas grid is called ERCOT, and it is run by an agency of the same name — the Electric Reliability Council of Texas. ERCOT does not actually cover all of Texas. El Paso is on another grid, as is the upper Panhandle and a chunk of East Texas.”
“The separation of the Texas grid from the rest of the country has its origins in the evolution of electric utilities early last century. In the decades after Thomas Edison turned on the country's first power plant in Manhattan in 1882, small generating plants sprouted across Texas, bringing electric light to cities. Later, particularly during the first world war, utilities began to link themselves together. These ties, and the accompanying transmission network, grew further during the second world war, when several Texas utilities joined together to form the Texas Interconnected System, which allowed them to link to the big dams along Texas rivers and also send extra electricity to support the ramped-up factories aiding the war effort.”
“Bottom line: Texas has its own grid to avoid dealing with the feds.”
Sauce: https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/
donutposse11337
But those reasons stated above are more about parallel historical development, not a bid to avoid federal control.
scarybeary
Secessionists as in ceding and going back to Mexico?
copingcabana
"A well regulated power grid, being necessary for the operation of a southern State..."
DeliciousMeatCurtains
bUt BoTH SiDeS!!!!!1!1!1!1! /s
Biggless9
Dam gomint interference w/ oil billionaires' ability to compete with Silicon Valley billionaires. I want to punch the wall of my trailer!
dmjalund
1887 isn't the last century, it's the century before last
SickboySuperfly
TX GOP: REEEEEEEEEEE goverment git out!
Imathrowanappalachia
Fascinating. Educational. +1
poultice
You outright state it's for avoiding the feds, but don't offer any reason/source. That's explained in the article though.
poultice
The copied paragraph describes the same evolution that every power grid in the US went through at that time.
Frederf
Hope during the blackout Texans can still drive to the library and read a book on the wonderful world of avoiding government regulation!
ZorkManZeroX
Just give them some tax cuts to improve their power grids
egregiousapostrophe
You quoted the correct use of “its” three times in the text - how did you manage to screw up the title?
euxneks
I'm totally fine with Texas having their own grid separate from others - it sucks that they get boned by it though
pdhackley
whoisyourdaddy
Texas does have interconnects - a couple to the eastern grid, and 2-3 to Mexico. Ice storm have taken down a shitload of local power lines.
rainbowopossum
Didn't texas deregulate its energy to "test the free market"? Something about they thought the competition would lower energy prices?
Bhargo
Gonna have to take that Reliability out of your name soon there
notblubber
We'd love to help you out, but your senators are worried about socialism, so....
xj13361987
Not wanting to deal with feds is not inherently a bad thing
Ilikecreativepeople
30 hours no power here
deepdishbooty
Off about 20 hrs, now it's off and on in 45 minute chunks. I expect it to fail just in time for the rest of the snow tonight/tomorrow.
CactusCreep
I heard there were rotating power outages, is that only in certain areas?
whysomuchdoghair
It was "rolling" until about 2am on Sunday when the whole system failed. Most people have either had it or been out for 30+ hours
the1theycallGreen
Wouldn't Hawaii (and possibly Alaska) have their own grid as well?
Sonicschilidogs
The article said lower 48 (aka, Continental US).
the1theycallGreen
Oh yeah that makes more sense
leodavinci1
Nothing wrong with that. All states should. If they had, it would have prevented AZ, CA, WA, OR, NV, UT, NM, & WY from losing power for 1
leodavinci1
days, after a tree brach fell on tower line somewhere in WA or OR. This happened many years ago. 2
backstaab
Source please?
mohavewolfpup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Western_North_America_blackouts
AngeloSchilling
That's not an issue with interconnection, that's an issue with fault-management. No single line should take out a state, or even a city.
keepitsimpleengineer
ERCOT is one of nine Federally regulated Independent System Operators, another is CalISO. Rates in ERCOT are ⅓ of rates in CalISO.
cptnobvious537
In a state with so much oil that’s hardly surprising isn’t it?
phuzz00
Turns out, you get what you pay for.
DavidBrooker
There are basically two power grids in North America, East and West, and three 'independents' - Texas, Quebec, and Alaska. Alaska is 1/n
DavidBrooker
separated by geography, it has no choice (as BC's population is all south, so they can't link up). Quebec is separated by technology, 2/n
DavidBrooker
due to the James Bay megaproject thousands of kilometers from Montreal and Quebec and its specialized transmission equipment required. 3/n
DavidBrooker
Texas is separated by political will and nothing else, and it honestly makes no sense. 4/4
mikeatike
There is a plan to fix this, but its been stalled for years. wikipedia.org/wiki/Tres_Amigas_SuperStation
FredeFuppe
11 years in the making. Sure does progress slowly
javadad60
superbest
From a national resiliency perspective, separate grids are good. What this tells us is, our grid systems are not prepared for erratic -
altinmediaYT
look at japan eastern and western grid, they only had 1GW converter station. so when tsunami happen in 2011, the western grid is fucked.
2074red2074
From a resiliency perspective, you want multiple redundancies and decentralized production, not a lot of separate grids.
Mekanik101
Yup. Being able to feed power, too the need for power. Always going to be more flexible.
ArcaneAlchemist
no they arent. what you said is just verifiably untrue. who the fuck do you think you are?
cptnobvious537
I thought so too, this is the last thing any half decent civil engineer would want to defend
ArcaneAlchemist
the most resilient scenario is a nationwide grid, that way energy from one place can make its way to another during times when that place...
ArcaneAlchemist
needs more energy than it can provide for itself. texas is up shit creek without a paddle because having a seperate grid is not resilient.
PrepareToTyEdition
OH NO, IT GOT EM
superbest
- weather, which will become more common as climate change continues. When economists say there is a monetary loss from CC, this is it. -
TheHillsHaveNostrils
Other examples: insurance damages from e.g. flooding and fires. Crop losses and reduced harvest predictability due to weather. Some
TheHillsHaveNostrils
ecologies will be damaged enough to threaten the viability of livelihoods and economies.
superbest
- expect more weather related utility outages in the US in the coming decades
MangoITE
*Separate but interconnected grids. Problem with Texas is only a couple HVDC lines to eastern interconnect. Can’t draw power from rest of US
ProbablyDrunkAgain
Grid ties always seem to take a back seat to expanded transmission and distribution.
MangoITE
And T and D always takes a back seat/is very difficult to get projects done haha
MarsMagnet
Texas has the only grid designed in a sensible and deliberate way, most others are haphazard to say the least. It's great for hurricanes tho
MangoITE
Not really most utilities participate in and ISO/RTO that operates and coordinates the Grid
ArcaneAlchemist
who told you this? it isnt true. at all. the national power grid, while not the nicest to look at, is organized just fine.
MarsMagnet
Tbf they also looked at possibility of terror attacks on nat grid and concluded it was SUCH an irrational mess it would be impossible. gj?
ArcaneAlchemist
yeah,what people forget is that the power grid is managed by tens of thousands of different people. when you break it up into each groups...
ArcaneAlchemist
area of responsibility that seemingly tangled mess is actually managable and not bad at all. if you mapped put your brain it would look
DrunkCPA
And they’re still asking the feds to bail them out in this storm. Nice short informative post
YouCanCallMeCal
Texan here. Send us aid but force regulation of energy suppliers to support their own infrastructure. This is their failure...
CruisinDownTheStreet64
Texas doesn’t have state tax. If they were independent the federal tax would become state. Then they wouldn’t have to ask the feds for it
DrunkCPA
Doesn’t have “income” tax. You pay it in other fees. The government still gets their money
invaderjay87
Yeah, people’s lives are above the bureaucratic bs that these politicians are pulling. Bail them out, THEN make a stink about it.
INeverWaitForIt
Biden has already released federal aid. And he didn't even make the governor beg.
CommodusLeitdorf
I mean he was always gunna do that as he's not a sociopath narcissist.
bazookasoup
The problem is, when one side forces everyone to take a step in their direction every time they are in power, and the other side refuses 1/2
bazookasoup
2/2 to stoop to their level, then everything will eventually slide to one side. See taxes for the rich for an example.
gingerminge
Texan here. We need federal aid and federal regulation and these assholes keep us in the dark ages with their rugged individualism.
doctorhat
I have less of a problem with them asking for help now than their congress reps opposing help to other states every time. Every. Damn. Time.
gis4gif
Trump wouldn’t help blue states, just saying
cazkey
My thoughts exactly.
HoppulusMoMo
Why are people downvoting this lmao stubborn until the bitter end I guess. We don’t admit to mistakes!
doody639
Would this be considered foreign aid then?
DrunkCPA
If they managed to secede yea, meanwhile it’s traditional hypocrisy
LadyMidnightToker
Texan here.. we cannot secede from the Union. And fuck ERCOT!
manamongstyou
Texas is getting better, your population centers are becoming fairly diverse cities.
AngeloSchilling
They have always been diverse. They're just gerrymandered to hell to make them not matter.
Mysteriouswaffle
So many Texans think it’s possible sadly. They’re the ones who didn’t pay attention to Texas history in the 7th grade
Frederf
Texas can leave whenever it wants; the land stays.
semanticsamsquamtch
Texans pay federal taxes don't they?
FourEyedLynx
Yeah but it's not just their electric grid that's struggling here. As a Canadian I sympathize with their current situation.
TheLastNalbinder
What you did there. I see it
FourEyedLynx
Holy shit, I sure didn't. Ha
TheLastNalbinder
Ghlargh
"We wanted freedom from contributing, not freedom from benefits!"
WTexasStoner
Don't forget, Texas sends more money to the US govt than it receives back in federal dollars.
plc813
As a Texan we still pay taxes and it's never crossed my mind to not give aid to other states in neand our children still die for our 1/2
cptnobvious537
U sound like the Brits did in the EU, & though you’re right & deserve help, u shouldn’t measure if anyone receives more than they contribute
Misterhappy32681
As a TeXaN I .... you truly don’t understand the point of the post, you’re just reacting emotionally. If you think about, it’s a fair point
plc813
Our country, I'm sorry that's not good enough for you. *in need and not neand* 2/2
doctorhat
https://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-harvey-ted-cruz-texas-republicans-vote-sandy-aid-2017-8.
NotSomoneElse68
Obviously that's B.S. They >did< get their money because, unlike Trump, Biden cares about human lives. The problem is the asking. It's ¹
NotSomoneElse68
basically telling someone screw off and your never helping them - just to turn around and ask them for money.
INeverWaitForIt
I'd like to point out that Ted Cruz, your senator, voted against federal aid for the massive floods in the midwest and Hurricane Sandy,
INeverWaitForIt
among others. Those people pay taxes too, and your state has elected a senator that told them to go fuck themselves while begging for money
INeverWaitForIt
for Texas in similar circumstances. Also starting to seem that a large chunk of this snowstorm shit was brought on by TX policies.
TheGhostofCarrieFisher
I think we should help but why subsidize and allow risk premiums for ppl who always rebuild near major water sources?
PosthumousExile
The point is the hypocrisy
invaderjay87
This is a citizen you are speaking to not a politician. The right thing is not to point and laugh but rather to guide them to those at fault
invaderjay87
This whole HAHA look at Texas is stupid and divisive, when we can use this to show them why they should stop voting for these people.
NursePaulFlowers
Texas can leave for all I care.
Lsai
WAIT I want off this ride first!
annterland
Yeah, bye Felicia
IMightBeIntoSomeWeirdStuff
What about Austin?
SanityAsylum
Austin is a cesspool.
youreathing
Key Boston Weird
iamthewindfish
As long as I can get out of it before it does, I am not here by choice
bannedagain80
so were you kidnapped? indentured servitude?
iamthewindfish
I was born here, like an idiot
grandestoptimist
Git gud
NursePaulFlowers
Come on down man. Boston. Rents 9billion pennies.
iamthewindfish
Is there more of this snow there?