Why does Texas have it’s own power grid?

Feb 16, 2021 2:53 PM

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“Basically, Texas has its own grid to avoid dealing with — you guessed it — the feds. But grid independence has been violated a few times over the years — not even counting Mexico's help during last week's blackouts.” (originally published in 2011)

“Why does Texas have its own electric grid?

Texas' secessionist inclinations have at least one modern outlet: the electric grid. There are three grids in the Lower 48 states: the Eastern Interconnection, the Western Interconnection — and Texas.

The Texas grid is called ERCOT, and it is run by an agency of the same name — the Electric Reliability Council of Texas. ERCOT does not actually cover all of Texas. El Paso is on another grid, as is the upper Panhandle and a chunk of East Texas.”

“The separation of the Texas grid from the rest of the country has its origins in the evolution of electric utilities early last century. In the decades after Thomas Edison turned on the country's first power plant in Manhattan in 1882, small generating plants sprouted across Texas, bringing electric light to cities. Later, particularly during the first world war, utilities began to link themselves together. These ties, and the accompanying transmission network, grew further during the second world war, when several Texas utilities joined together to form the Texas Interconnected System, which allowed them to link to the big dams along Texas rivers and also send extra electricity to support the ramped-up factories aiding the war effort.”

“Bottom line: Texas has its own grid to avoid dealing with the feds.”

Sauce: https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/

But those reasons stated above are more about parallel historical development, not a bid to avoid federal control.

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Secessionists as in ceding and going back to Mexico?

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"A well regulated power grid, being necessary for the operation of a southern State..."

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bUt BoTH SiDeS!!!!!1!1!1!1! /s

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Dam gomint interference w/ oil billionaires' ability to compete with Silicon Valley billionaires. I want to punch the wall of my trailer!

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1887 isn't the last century, it's the century before last

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TX GOP: REEEEEEEEEEE goverment git out!

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Fascinating. Educational. +1

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You outright state it's for avoiding the feds, but don't offer any reason/source. That's explained in the article though.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The copied paragraph describes the same evolution that every power grid in the US went through at that time.

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Hope during the blackout Texans can still drive to the library and read a book on the wonderful world of avoiding government regulation!

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Just give them some tax cuts to improve their power grids

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You quoted the correct use of “its” three times in the text - how did you manage to screw up the title?

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I'm totally fine with Texas having their own grid separate from others - it sucks that they get boned by it though

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Texas does have interconnects - a couple to the eastern grid, and 2-3 to Mexico. Ice storm have taken down a shitload of local power lines.

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Didn't texas deregulate its energy to "test the free market"? Something about they thought the competition would lower energy prices?

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Gonna have to take that Reliability out of your name soon there

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We'd love to help you out, but your senators are worried about socialism, so....

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Not wanting to deal with feds is not inherently a bad thing

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30 hours no power here

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Off about 20 hrs, now it's off and on in 45 minute chunks. I expect it to fail just in time for the rest of the snow tonight/tomorrow.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I heard there were rotating power outages, is that only in certain areas?

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It was "rolling" until about 2am on Sunday when the whole system failed. Most people have either had it or been out for 30+ hours

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Wouldn't Hawaii (and possibly Alaska) have their own grid as well?

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

The article said lower 48 (aka, Continental US).

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Oh yeah that makes more sense

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Nothing wrong with that. All states should. If they had, it would have prevented AZ, CA, WA, OR, NV, UT, NM, & WY from losing power for 1

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days, after a tree brach fell on tower line somewhere in WA or OR. This happened many years ago. 2

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That's not an issue with interconnection, that's an issue with fault-management. No single line should take out a state, or even a city.

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ERCOT is one of nine Federally regulated Independent System Operators, another is CalISO. Rates in ERCOT are ⅓ of rates in CalISO.

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In a state with so much oil that’s hardly surprising isn’t it?

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Turns out, you get what you pay for.

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There are basically two power grids in North America, East and West, and three 'independents' - Texas, Quebec, and Alaska. Alaska is 1/n

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separated by geography, it has no choice (as BC's population is all south, so they can't link up). Quebec is separated by technology, 2/n

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due to the James Bay megaproject thousands of kilometers from Montreal and Quebec and its specialized transmission equipment required. 3/n

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Texas is separated by political will and nothing else, and it honestly makes no sense. 4/4

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There is a plan to fix this, but its been stalled for years. wikipedia.org/wiki/Tres_Amigas_SuperStation

5 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 0

11 years in the making. Sure does progress slowly

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From a national resiliency perspective, separate grids are good. What this tells us is, our grid systems are not prepared for erratic -

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look at japan eastern and western grid, they only had 1GW converter station. so when tsunami happen in 2011, the western grid is fucked.

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From a resiliency perspective, you want multiple redundancies and decentralized production, not a lot of separate grids.

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Yup. Being able to feed power, too the need for power. Always going to be more flexible.

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no they arent. what you said is just verifiably untrue. who the fuck do you think you are?

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I thought so too, this is the last thing any half decent civil engineer would want to defend

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the most resilient scenario is a nationwide grid, that way energy from one place can make its way to another during times when that place...

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needs more energy than it can provide for itself. texas is up shit creek without a paddle because having a seperate grid is not resilient.

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OH NO, IT GOT EM

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- weather, which will become more common as climate change continues. When economists say there is a monetary loss from CC, this is it. -

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Other examples: insurance damages from e.g. flooding and fires. Crop losses and reduced harvest predictability due to weather. Some

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ecologies will be damaged enough to threaten the viability of livelihoods and economies.

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- expect more weather related utility outages in the US in the coming decades

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*Separate but interconnected grids. Problem with Texas is only a couple HVDC lines to eastern interconnect. Can’t draw power from rest of US

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Grid ties always seem to take a back seat to expanded transmission and distribution.

5 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

And T and D always takes a back seat/is very difficult to get projects done haha

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Texas has the only grid designed in a sensible and deliberate way, most others are haphazard to say the least. It's great for hurricanes tho

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Not really most utilities participate in and ISO/RTO that operates and coordinates the Grid

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

who told you this? it isnt true. at all. the national power grid, while not the nicest to look at, is organized just fine.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Tbf they also looked at possibility of terror attacks on nat grid and concluded it was SUCH an irrational mess it would be impossible. gj?

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

yeah,what people forget is that the power grid is managed by tens of thousands of different people. when you break it up into each groups...

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area of responsibility that seemingly tangled mess is actually managable and not bad at all. if you mapped put your brain it would look

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And they’re still asking the feds to bail them out in this storm. Nice short informative post

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Texan here. Send us aid but force regulation of energy suppliers to support their own infrastructure. This is their failure...

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Texas doesn’t have state tax. If they were independent the federal tax would become state. Then they wouldn’t have to ask the feds for it

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Doesn’t have “income” tax. You pay it in other fees. The government still gets their money

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Yeah, people’s lives are above the bureaucratic bs that these politicians are pulling. Bail them out, THEN make a stink about it.

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Biden has already released federal aid. And he didn't even make the governor beg.

5 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

I mean he was always gunna do that as he's not a sociopath narcissist.

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The problem is, when one side forces everyone to take a step in their direction every time they are in power, and the other side refuses 1/2

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2/2 to stoop to their level, then everything will eventually slide to one side. See taxes for the rich for an example.

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Texan here. We need federal aid and federal regulation and these assholes keep us in the dark ages with their rugged individualism.

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I have less of a problem with them asking for help now than their congress reps opposing help to other states every time. Every. Damn. Time.

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Trump wouldn’t help blue states, just saying

5 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

My thoughts exactly.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Why are people downvoting this lmao stubborn until the bitter end I guess. We don’t admit to mistakes!

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Would this be considered foreign aid then?

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If they managed to secede yea, meanwhile it’s traditional hypocrisy

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Texan here.. we cannot secede from the Union. And fuck ERCOT!

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Texas is getting better, your population centers are becoming fairly diverse cities.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

They have always been diverse. They're just gerrymandered to hell to make them not matter.

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

So many Texans think it’s possible sadly. They’re the ones who didn’t pay attention to Texas history in the 7th grade

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Texas can leave whenever it wants; the land stays.

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Texans pay federal taxes don't they?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah but it's not just their electric grid that's struggling here. As a Canadian I sympathize with their current situation.

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What you did there. I see it

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Holy shit, I sure didn't. Ha

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"We wanted freedom from contributing, not freedom from benefits!"

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Don't forget, Texas sends more money to the US govt than it receives back in federal dollars.

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As a Texan we still pay taxes and it's never crossed my mind to not give aid to other states in neand our children still die for our 1/2

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U sound like the Brits did in the EU, & though you’re right & deserve help, u shouldn’t measure if anyone receives more than they contribute

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As a TeXaN I .... you truly don’t understand the point of the post, you’re just reacting emotionally. If you think about, it’s a fair point

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Our country, I'm sorry that's not good enough for you. *in need and not neand* 2/2

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Obviously that's B.S. They >did< get their money because, unlike Trump, Biden cares about human lives. The problem is the asking. It's ¹

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basically telling someone screw off and your never helping them - just to turn around and ask them for money.

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I'd like to point out that Ted Cruz, your senator, voted against federal aid for the massive floods in the midwest and Hurricane Sandy,

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among others. Those people pay taxes too, and your state has elected a senator that told them to go fuck themselves while begging for money

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for Texas in similar circumstances. Also starting to seem that a large chunk of this snowstorm shit was brought on by TX policies.

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I think we should help but why subsidize and allow risk premiums for ppl who always rebuild near major water sources?

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The point is the hypocrisy

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This is a citizen you are speaking to not a politician. The right thing is not to point and laugh but rather to guide them to those at fault

5 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

This whole HAHA look at Texas is stupid and divisive, when we can use this to show them why they should stop voting for these people.

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Texas can leave for all I care.

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WAIT I want off this ride first!

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Yeah, bye Felicia

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What about Austin?

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Austin is a cesspool.

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Key Boston Weird

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As long as I can get out of it before it does, I am not here by choice

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so were you kidnapped? indentured servitude?

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I was born here, like an idiot

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Git gud

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Come on down man. Boston. Rents 9billion pennies.

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Is there more of this snow there?

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