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Sep 4, 2019 4:02 PM
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idahobeef5360
Resist tyranny? Are you kidding me? They are the ones who are pushing so hard for it, especially in the universities.
HaniiPuppy
It's not just that those stories exist, but that we're in the situation those stories were made to combat.
SyeedAli
Rebellious youth who dislike authority who had poor parental figures and no healthy heroes? You don't say.
3gwhitelightning
Should probably give 1984 a look too.
buttfullofluckycharms
Don't forget the Divergent series too
Sharky640
Most of it is the truth. The government exists only to grow itself and in the process subjugate the populace.
syntheticgod8
That's also the message behind The Boys. They want media darlings, not superheroes, but act surprised when their hero-crap produces a hero.
meloncanister
books are not your shield
Cyractacus
Are they a sword then? You can't spell swords without words. In fact, you can't spell anything without words.
NAbsentia
Boomers were raised on the same message: Orwell, Vonnegut, Heller, etc. Even Star Wars. But then you have kids and hope for a raise.
XaiaX
Boomers were called "the me generation" for a reason. They were the spoiled brats raised by people who lived through WWII.
NAbsentia
I haven't read those kids' books you mentioned, but were they not written by Boomers?
NAbsentia
The 70s were called the Me Generation. But I grew up on the guys I mentioned. I have those values even now in my 50s. Never gave up on them.
IJustWantToMakeAComment
I was raised on Batman... that taught me that once the parents are out of the way you become a total legendary badass
MachineInterface
Maybe I'd rather just live in a flawed but stable rule of law country than in a civil-war-torn collapsing society where just not getting>
MachineInterface
shot is a daily worry.
Neptuneflyer
There are less gun deaths now than 20 years ago, don't be fooled by the media
MachineInterface
That's fine if you live in a peaceful country. Knowing that would not confort me if I was currently living in say, Syria.
fourooohfour
Uh Star Wars??? ♀️
Scottyfriday
Raised on Terminator. Still ok.
jethroismaxbaer5772
If I recall, Mr. Rogers intentionally made King Friday as pompous and ridiculous as he could.
XaiaX
He was introduced with wanting to put up a big fence to keep out people and to oppose all changes.
SophieClockwise
V1K1NGFVNERAL
Tryna sneak Percy Jackson in like he's on the same shelf.
ReginaKasteen
You say that like it's an especially high shelf to begin with.
Kaysmira
The books were kinda alright. I gave up on the movie franchise in the first 15 minutes or so.
Cyractacus
No big surprise there. The author of the Percy Jackson series himself hated and disowned the movie adaptations.
Kyrorayne
Like, I dont like give a, like, damn about like all of the likes in there.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
Dude, chill, it's not, like, a big deal.
Kyrorayne
spookyactionatadistance
How is this generation fighting against tyranny? Also this post assumes previous generations didn't have books that were anti establishment
spookyactionatadistance
2) 1984, Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, most Philip K Dicks, Handmaid's Tale and a whole bunch of movies and TV shows. And they were way
spookyactionatadistance
3) more subversive than The Hunger Games.
kyle2086
They complain on the internet.
spookyactionatadistance
I won't make a sleeping generalization and I can also acknowledge that online campaigns can bring light to situations but this post ignores
spookyactionatadistance
2) a lot of history of the previous generations that actually fought tyranny and oppression. The French Revolution, The Revolutionary
spookyactionatadistance
3) War, the civil rights movement, suffragettes, desegregation, WW1 and WW2.
Ulthirm
Down here most of the dystopia and such stories our school has us read also are basically the same. The giver is popular ofc, but most
Ulthirm
Have a theme that tells "people in power will abuse it and only the people will suffer"
Ulthirm
And in general as I was growing up it was proven true many times. Its not just the literature but the culture as well.
beardedbeerdeer
Never read any of them. I'd think it's just common for young people to be rebellious and idealistic. Most of us will settle down and 1/
beardedbeerdeer
turn right wing before 40. 2/2
thatiswhyyoushoulddoityourself
I sincerely hope your last part will prove untrue.
beardedbeerdeer
Me too, to be honest, but that's how it goes. Your racist, bigot grandparents may have been hippies in the 60's.
XaiaX
People only say this because they realize they don't have an actual argument, so they equate being an adult with being conservative.
XaiaX
That way they can tell people that aren't conservative that they're "childish", instead of actually addressing anything they say.
beardedbeerdeer
No, I'm not saying being left is childish. There's children on both sides. However hell yeah fuck capitalism let's start a revolution 1/
XaiaX
If we start a revolution, the earth will be unfit for human life within 50 years because there will be no one to work together to stop it.
beardedbeerdeer
Is usually only afforded by people who haven't got much to lose. So usually young people. 2/2
NameyMcUsername
The problem comes when they start thinking the barista that spelled their name wrong is the tyrant
MarkPenrice
Go on then. Bring us that mythical 15 (rather than, say, 55) year old strawperson who actually thinks and acts like that.
NameyMcUsername
Go ahead and Google Starbucks Isis
MarkPenrice
Last I saw of that story, it was one guy who overreacted, and the reliably overreactionary media jumped on it. And generally my experience
MarkPenrice
to date is that the overly creduluous ones who believe that shit & then spread it around knee-jerk online are the *older* folks, not younger
MarkPenrice
One asshat does not make an entire generation of them, even if you do believe the tabloid take on the story.
jmulderr
I mean sure. But also all teens everywhere have always rebelled?
ProfessorAssBlast2020
That question mark doesnt belong there
ExplainThisJoke
it's almost as if there's some sort of biological benefit to having a change at adolescense that encourages you to become self-sufficient.
Somanyquestions
I'd say it's the other way around actually, these books are popular among teens because they feature people rebelling against authority.
playingthedevilsadvocater
Mirror neurons.
HtNrN
I like this take on it.
MarkPenrice
There is a certain genetic / evolutionary / instinctive element of rewiring the brain between childhood and adulthood, and rebelling against
MarkPenrice
your parents in order to actually break the apronstrings and strike out by yourself, but that's also not to say there isn't some cultural
MarkPenrice
influence, with the strength and direction of the effect being rather easy to modulate. I know I'll have to go and say twenty Hail Godwins
MarkPenrice
in penance for this, but, the Hitler Youth for example, or other such cases of child/teenage indoctrination also common in mid-C20 SE Asia.
MarkPenrice
So on and so forth... as even covered / parodied in certain great works of 20th century fiction before the 1990s (OS Card, Heinlein...)
wellthisjustgotinteresting
Oh yeah, that's another one. "Your resistance is just childlike rebellion", goes for ASOUE and HP at least
corleythekid24
I didn’t
corleythekid24
And what tyranny maybe it doesn’t exist till you go looking for it
mrWestMan
You can dismiss what he said to help your argument but both biology and psychology are indeed sciences.
mrWestMan
One could very well argue that teens are interested in these types of stories precisely BECAUSE they are in such a developmental stage.
MarkPenrice
There's truth in that, but as a counterpoint I didn't get round to reading certain modern-classics within the same sort of sphere until mid-
MarkPenrice
20s / early 30s and still found them to be quite affecting and empowering. Though not HP, that's pretty much generic tween-adventure trash.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Glad I was fuckin raised on Red Dawn, Full Metal Jacket, Die Hard and most importantly, Spies Like Us. Doctor. Doctor. Doctor.
LeadLurker
Speaking about early millennials, it's weird that after being dropped in front of a tv with Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street, we wouldn't (1/2)
LeadLurker
feel empowered to put those lessons into practice and wonder why people can't be nice to each other.
MarkPenrice
Those lessons haven't gone away, they're just in different mouths these days. Of course, the multichannel and streaming age makes it rather
MarkPenrice
too easy to enforce your own choice of viewing material, and its worldview, on your kids, or let them go for the obvious big flashy stuff.
NPaine
Yeah...western children. The children part of the remaining 5 billion habe been raised on a strict diet of Mao, Quran or Perviy kanal.
gaaaaalavant
Just recently a Catholic school in Tennessee removed Harry Potter from its library because it thought the books promoted witchcraft and evil
wellthisjustgotinteresting
Pretty sure that was Kentucky, not Tennessee
gaaaaalavant
https://ew.com/books/2019/09/02/catholic-school-tennessee-bans-harry-potter-books-actual-curses/
wellthisjustgotinteresting
Well, that's depressing. We still have beautiful landscapes, though.
SithShodan
Quite a few western children (especially in the southeastern parts of the US) were denied the chance to read things because they were called
SithShodan
"satanic." I know a number of people who grew up that were only allowed to read the KJV.
Nalianna
King James Vible?
SithShodan
Lol. That's the one :v
Dimind
I have read the HP series more times than I can count. I don’t remember that quote in any of the books.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
It's not a quote, you nuggetfarmer, it's a message
Dimind
Then I guess you, like the person who made the image, don’t understand the purpose of quotation marks.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
As do you, apparently
AlmightyElephant
Ahh that's right. I forgot that 1984, Ender's Game, and Neuromancer all came out in the last 20 years.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
What the hell are you talking about
AlmightyElephant
That was sarcasm. I'm talking about how this post makes absolutely no sense on any level whatsoever.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
Yeah, I got the sarcasm, dumbass. My question stands.
AlmightyElephant
If you have to ask, the I question whether you are familiar with any of the books I named
AlmightyElephant
If it needs clarifying: 1984, Ender's Game, and Neuromancer are all highly regarded anti-authority, anti-tyrannical books
AlmightyElephant
A large chain of 140 character comments is just not able to accurately convey how asinine this post is
AlmightyElephant
Or that back in the 50's and 60's, they only had cartoons like Adventure Time or Ben 10
AlmightyElephant
And how silly of me to overlook the fact that no teenager has ever had the desire to read anything published before they were born
AlmightyElephant
And how could I overlook the fact that people only started protesting the Vietnam War five years ago.
AlmightyElephant
Really, it was quite absurd of me to considder that there might be other ways of interpreting those book series, too.
AlmightyElephant
I mean, it's of no consequence at all that in the HP books, there were just as many authority figures fighting tyranny as there were tyrants
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
Who the fuck is letting children watch Hunger Games?
dumbinsults
MarkPenrice
It's literally a tween-to-YA series. There's a lot more "mature" / "grown up" thought and themes in "kids" literature than just MLP etc.
thematman92
Dude I watched commando when I was 5, hunger games isn't going to traumatize anyone.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
The author? The books are written for teenagers.
Somanyquestions
They are in the youth or young adult section at my library.
nabacular
If you read the books when they came out as a teenager you would be old enough to drink now
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
I was thinking of children younger than teenagers, since the original post categorized them separately.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
I dunno man
MarkPenrice
If we take the post as literally creating three age groups corresponding to each series, then it's "children: Harry Potter" (which is a bad
MarkPenrice
start, as the first book came out when I was mid-teens, and I'm late 30s now), "teenagers: Percy Jackson" (maybe fair, IDK, but the film
MarkPenrice
adaptions came out some years ago already) and "college students: Hunger Games" (they're 18+, so can read what the fuck *they* want).
Imhereforthelurking
At the same time, harry potter, percy Jackson, and ASOUE are in the same category as hunger games.
MarkPenrice
...and Pullman, Pratchett, Reeve, Roth, Jacques, and a pantheon of others are sitting quietly in the corner waiting their turn.
MarkPenrice
(And on the TV and big screen... a brace of Marvel and DC antiestablishment big-hitters... and quieter but still subversive animated stuff)
WC2ElectricBoogaloo
Problem is the millennial generation can't decide if they like the govt or not, and claim to be anti-fascist but say it with their fists.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
violence != fascism
SithShodan
Yeah, but they have a skewed perception of what "tyranny" is. A lot will simply use it to describe someone they don't agree with.
MarkPenrice
A lot? I dunno. I've not run across that many, in 37 years on this planet and nearly 25 of them online. And they were about as prevalent
MarkPenrice
back when the discussion was mostly conducted through Usenet channels...
XaiaX
Only if you're talking about all the whiny "alt right" snow flakes that demand special treatment and safe spaces for participation trophies.
MarkPenrice
I think you might be conflating two entirely different political camps there.
SithShodan
To be fair, it wasn't the kids who demanded participation trophies, it was the parents who thought their little kid was the next star.
XaiaX
I'm talking about all the confederate statues that were put up in response to civil rights legislation. Civil War Participation Trophies.
XaiaX
They're also deeply butthurt about not being taken seriously so they invent their own unaccredited universities as safe spaces.
XaiaX
Literally everything they whine about is something they're doing.
SithShodan
Safe spaces from new ideas? Bullshit. Safe spaces from violent psycopaths with guns? Definitely
Backieotamy
This is actually some mighty damn fine logic
Gowiththejoe
Republicans believe in less government, Democrats believe in more government.
ArkoneAxon
Republicans: "Keep government out of the economy... also, make homosexuality illegal and Christian doctrine mandatory!"
Bioman998
It's like The Jungle. Book about social policy encouraging change among the audience.
Tminus1622d
It's not. It's cherrypicked data, massive oversimplification and flatout false.
Backieotamy
Well most of us aren not going to read a 300 page research paper so sometimes you gotta take the simple break down of it.
Tminus1622d
Lets take the Harry Potter one, we'll assume you've seen the movies. Is that really the theme of the series? Are all the people irl who
Tminus1622d
know their Hogwarts house and drink butterbeer and pretend to ride broomsticks whilst throwing balls around on a field all about that evil
Tminus1622d
government that has to be resisted or is it just a pleasant escape from real life? I've seen part of a Quidditch match. It's not very
Tminus1622d
Lets take the Hunger Games one, we'll assume you've seen the movies. How the fck can anyone watch those movies and come away with a 'the
Tminus1622d
population wont support you'? If you're gonna agree with random stuff on the internet, please at least pick someone that has seen the movies
Tminus1622d
he/she is commenting on. Besides that, the 'must be destroyed' is also debatable. She is not in control of her destiny, she didnt set out
EmanNiemThcin
It is not, it ignores all that came before, looking at the present and making that conclusion is faulty logic. It would only be valid if...
EmanNiemThcin
..the current status quo would be wildly different from the status quo ante, it is not though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig_Meuten
Backieotamy
I disagree at least in America as a society weave embraced nationalistic pride, the nuclear family, abiding by law regardless of its moral
EmanNiemThcin
I'm not familiar with the current state of affairs in the US so I take your word for it, but the post makes no mention of any specific cntry
EmanNiemThcin
and on a more global scale the young and the poor have always been more eager to follow their ideals for better or worse.
Backieotamy
Yeah thats why i specified based on my experience with where i live as not to speak for a broader audience where it may not apply for sure.
Backieotamy
This should say we had, up until 70ish embraced the nationalistic pride. What we see now in nationalism is unhealthy (imo) for the countey.
MarkPenrice
Maybe, but there's been a heavy countercultural thing going on since at LEAST the 60s... plus books by the likes of Harrison, Heller etc
Backieotamy
implications and were much more conformed. Starting with hippies change and f* the man became a small movement. Now, its almost a mandate
Backieotamy
for youth to at least acknowledge faults exist and more so to want to be part of the change ( or at least loudly complain on social media?
hwbobb55
It's been that way forever. You have it backwards large media corporations are targeting the audience not swaying them