The Monsanto Papers: A law firm has just released a TON of Monsanto’s secret emails and documents showing how they suppressed scientific data and paid an army of online trolls to lie for them

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Remember the badass law firm that won 280 million for the school groundskeeper who got cancer from being poisoned by Monsanto’s Round Up? ( https://imgur.com/gallery/IKZx69R)

That same law from just released a TON of Monsanto’s secret emails and documents.

“The Monsanto Papers tell an alarming story of ghostwriting, scientific manipulation, collusion with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and previously undisclosed information about how the human body absorbs glyphosate.” -Baum Hedlund Aristei & Goldman

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/business/monsantos-sway-over-research-is-seen-in-disclosed-emails.html

You can search through the entire database of Monsanto’s Papers here: https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/toxic-tort-law/monsanto-roundup-lawsuit/monsanto-secret-documents/

“The documents also show that Monsanto used third-parties to hire an army of internet trolls to post positive comments on websites and social media about Monsanto, its chemicals and GMOs, and downplay the potential safety risks of its products.”

“Monsanto even started the aptly-named “Let Nothing Go” program to leave nothing, not even facebook comments, unanswered; through a series of third parties, it employs individuals who appear to have no connection to the industry, who in turn post positive comments on news articles and Facebook posts, defending Monsanto, its chemicals, and GMOs. Monsanto quietly funnels money to “think tanks” such as the “Genetic Literacy Project” and the “American Council on Science and Health,” organizations intended to shame scientists and highlight information helpful to Monsanto and other chemical producers.”

https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/monsanto-paid-internet-trolls/

Anybody can read the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA Court Filing here: https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/MDLLetNothingGomotion.pdf

edit: Since the Monsanto Papers have been released to the public, I wanted to share this respected scientist's experience with being attacked for publishing his studies on GMO's as well as Monsanto's RoundUp https://imgur.com/gallery/YsmbabY

Odyssey9

Yeah. It's Anti-trust time.

7 years ago |

pronoun

I can get payed to troll?

n0o0o0o

This pleases me. Not the harassment of actual scientist, but that the corruption has finally been exposed.

ohscrewit

france has banned them. they know what they're all about

Whatsname

Nothing new, it's Monsanto, now owned by Bayer.

michaelfire

Harvest of Fear: ruthless legal battles against farmers history of toxic contaminationhttps://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/05/monsanto200805

Litig8

Lawyers: we really aren’t that bad

numbonvalium

You lose credibility if you keep using the word trolls for things like this. Use sockpuppets, shills, etc.

MoooCow

Apparently not, since most people here think troll is the correct word (it's not).

CyborgScribe

According to r/TD I'm a shill just being liberal. That word lost all meaning already.

microman55

Well they did have Hillary Clinton as their lawyer for decades, monsanto owed her so much for her help they paid for her campaign.

jbilly90

You just made my fucking day @op. Thank you

SalmySwims

I don't care one way or the other about Monsanto- I'm more concerned about people's lack of understanding of modern farming +1

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7 years ago (deleted Feb 2, 2023 2:14 AM) |

I'll look up the actual study and get back to you. Cheers.

and people just watching Netflix "documentaries." There isn't anything guaranteeing that what you're watching is based in fact, +2

and as everyone hopefully knows by now, movies (or anything) can be edited to support one position over another.

SgtDefaultGN

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UpvotesAroundTheHorn

Lmao I’m watching TBL as I type this. Good shit, man. Good shit.

son0fgrim

called it

malexmatt

I wonder how much they paid for those trolls. I can't think of ever seeing anyone post anything positive about Monsanto. They're 1/

essentially Satan to most people. 2/2

PreMalignant

And as a result Bayer will cut 12 thousand jobs. That was one profitable deal.

7 years ago (deleted Feb 2, 2023 1:43 AM) |

Tax734

“Just released” but the nyt article was from over a year ago

johnnytrueloveg127001

Monsanto is pure greed

Fdragon1337

Literally a company that's run by super villains for super villians.

TheEmperorOfMankind40000

My dad works with a whole bunch of plant pesticides and grass care stuff. He says to always wear a good amount of protection.

PapaNurgleLovesYou

ShaneGadsby

As I think the bottles state you are supposed to do (at least the bottles here is Australia do)

leanestbenis

People forget that the lawn care worker used like no PPE for 20 years.

Gantzz321

got into fist fights with my father about not putting it on our garden, I refused to use it, he insisted on it. He taught me to never give..

in when you are standing up for what you know was right. An no joke he would let his hands fly and I would always defend my self.

TwerkingLurker

The use of pesticides seems a silly reason to hurt people, no? Like I could understand bigger issues causing family fights.

broguyman

Monsanto should have burned to the ground long ago. It is pure evil.

KronaSamu

What have they done that's so evil?

BigFckingRocket

What is your argument against them being evil? Because all evidence points to the contrary. I’d like to see how you have the secret info

LoveMeAlready

they sue local farmers who harvest crops that have any chance of having monsanto “genes”, spray harmful chemicals, hire internet trolls, etc

snipekill1997

"sue" find me one instance of that, if you didn't purposefully do it their policy is remove any GMOs and compensate the farmer.

7 years ago (deleted Feb 2, 2023 1:42 AM) |

Monsanto paid people to do this. Maybe he's one of them

Nope, cute that you think anyone cares about your misinformed ideas that much

That's not misinformation. That literally came out in court documents you dolt.

Not pro Monsanto. My defense of them is merely coincidental. You see I care about what's true, and it happens that a lot of the #1

"criticism" of GMOs and Pesticides which are extremely important to feeding the planet, are attacked mearly for there the fact that #2

7 years ago (deleted Feb 2, 2023 1:40 AM) |

They are produced by that company. Much of the critics of GMOs and whatnot are misinformed and blinded by their hatred for Monsanto #3

DarthClitoris

Really? They're so bad that they even get trolled by shows like Futurama....hope you know it

Ha! You might want to rewatch that episode, you see the message put across wasn't really "Monsanto is bad" kinda the opposite really ?

They portray Momsanto as good?

No, but not as evil.

JohnSmithterms

American beer .... riddled with monsanto products. But thats none of my business.

bouncebounceandtheclaw

Whaaaa?

Ninjanarwhal64

Source

No problem - https://sciex.com/Documents/tech%20notes/food-contaminants6500_beer.pdf

Mondasin

oh noes a known carcinogen may have trace elements of a possible carcinogen in it.

fendrbendr

What part of beer is riddled with their products?

This is not America exclusive. This is a real worldwide problem but monsanto was one of the top causes of it. Glyphosate 1/?

https://sciex.com/Documents/tech%20notes/food-contaminants6500_beer.pdf

FisterMantastic

I'm going to presume any and all grains and adjuncts going into the beer. Possibly the hops too.

I grow hops and don't use any Monsanto products on mine. Wheat, barley, and oats are not roundup ready so I assume they are roundup free

As a brewer, that is really good to know.

What about rye, spelt, corn, and rice?

ladytroutslayer

A local brewery advertises their beer as organic. It’s not, my bud works on the farm that produces their barley. He’s sprayed so much.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/206216-list-of-organic-pesticides/

You do know organic certified pesticides exist right? (BTW a fair number of them are nasty stuff).

7 years ago (deleted Feb 2, 2023 1:41 AM) |

There are some chemicals that can be used and have things still labeled as organic but many use it as marketing without certification.

Exactly. It’s in Bellingham Wa. It’s like hippy lib central. Imagine the Prius people from South Park. They are like that about organics.

gforce1616

I have some Roundup in the garage. I think it may be time to get rid of it.

if its the off the shelf stuff, just don't sit in your hair, or get in your eyes/mouth and you'll be fine.

thanks - I don't use it that much

pdxenburg

Bayer bought Monsanto and all their mess. Who thought that was a good idea?

BlunderbussVigilante

Bayer, apparently.

I may be on the "Monsanto isn't literally satan" side of this thread but Bayer knowingly sold HIV+ blood products to the 3rd world so (1)

they might think their PR department is better. (2)

Bauer is probably in on it. Buy Monsanto at a cheap price and take the publicity hit. Tell the public all the “bad guys”

Bayer*

are gone and evade responsibility for all the bad shit in the past. Then repackage

yourself as the “caring” chemical company, and continue doing the same shit you always have

myr14d

I kinda hate that opinions on GMOs are 'they're the devil' and 'they're completely harmless and need minimal regulation'

mksu

It's more like "They're the devil" and "There's no evidence that they are hazardous to human health."

The issue is that one could be made so. "We haven't hurt anyone...yet." isnt the best argument.

We sell literal poison for human consumption (tobacco) so I think "hasn't hurt anyone yet" is still damn good odds

nicouk

Hah! No. The person you replied to is correct.

The person I replied to created an obvious false dichotomy, so is wrong in any case.

Not really. Their statement was a lot more accurate than yours.

Regulation is inappropriate in such a situation. Regulation is to be applied sparingly and only when there is demonstrable need for it.

oopsIdroppedmypocketpasta

Like, say, in the case where a large corporation has been shown to have been tampering with data and lying to everyone for decades?

Punitively regulating an entire industry regardless of the merit of doing so to get back at a company you don't like is clearly unacceptable

Like the government did for cars? or meat? or oil monopolies? When a company is using the veil of industry to fuck people over,

MDevolution

But there is also not enough long term studies to determine that they aren't hazardous, plus there are environmental concerns.

Studies on trillions of meals fed to billions of farm animals disagree on that second point. Also if you're concerned about pesticides, (1)

But those aren't long term studies on the effects every possible GMO (cause that's a pretty broad category) could have on humans

BT GMO is the same BT protein in organic pesticides and roundup is very safe as pesticides go (though the other components in the spray (2)

Yes, in pesticides, but easily removed or avoided if people that are pregnant want to avoid them. BT toxin crosses the planeta and (1/2)

might not be ironically). If you're concerned about escape to the wild: 1 most crops survive like shit in the wild, (3)

Step 1) The 'pro' GMO side need to acknowledge that when people are critical of GMO, they mean lab grown. Not 'selective breeding'. (1)

If someone refuses to acknowledge that there's a clear difference between the two, they should be flagged as a troll / shill and disregarded

Argenteus1

What about 'selectively breed by exposure to mutagens, so its all natural but we've nfi what the changes caused'? More specificity isn't bad

Because mutations caused by gamma rays from the sun and a cobalt source are different /

I never claimed that it was. The issue is when people try to claim that the two scenarios are identical.

GMO labeling is completely unfounded. There is 0 proof that GMOs effect health in any way. Fuck of with your scare tactics

SharkyMcSnarkface

Jokes on you, they have chicken fingers

lessgasmoreammo

The WHO agrees with them... https://www.who.int/foodsafety/areas_work/food-technology/faq-genetically-modified-food/en/

7 years ago (deleted Feb 2, 2023 1:56 AM) |

sangatster

CEO, board members, and all involved in things like this should have to pay.

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Denturedog

Golden fucking parachute!

Arsikere

and they wont

21viking

Pay? You think that money is the punishment that works? Something else is needed to make a difference.

LooseyGooseyBrett

We need a real life A-Tean to battle these assholes

Boba3fett

Or go to jail, I don’t want your money, I want to make sure you’re in jail and don’t get out.

orbitn

how about both? They go to jail AND lose all their money. Both personal and corporate funds. Should be standard punishment for the rich.

SkyOkamy

No they should be hang by their nutsack.

SmartHasTheBrainsButStupidHasTheBalls

Should be fuckin hanged

Ryebread91

And not just a small 50k fine. That’d be like 5$ to them.

RydWolf

Of course they're paying. You don't think those internet people work for free, do you?

happyliving5627

Literally did a project on this like 2 weeks ago, and the biggest fee I saw during those trials was like 5 million dollars, and it 1/2

leperoutcastunclean

With their lives.

imnotthatinventive

YES! Scum should have to answer for their crimes

Icedpryo

But they won't. They never will unfortunately...

dengarsdingus

Oh don't worry they'll get paid. They'll get paid plenty...oh you said they should pay...yeah that ain't happening.

newsguycraigevans

Wealthy corporate CEO and board members face justice in the US? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah *wheeze*hahahahahahahahaha*snort*hahahahahahaha

DVSBSTrD

There's only one way that will ever happen. And sadly, nobody has the balls to go through with it.

downvoteacct

They should go to prison!

Ruhig

"Should we bury this body or something?" "Nah, let's save it... For reasons." -Monsanto execs

frostman233

Right? Was there penalty anything more than a slap on the wrist?

RayMcKigney

“I don’t know, Monsanto has always been m really wonderful to me — my family really loves their products.” So where do I pick up my check?

tr3buchet

nono, as a result of their actions, they can easily pay, it should be worse than paying

Gutterbuddy

Yes, but justuce is reserved for those that have the money to pay her. They should get life in prison but may get house arrest instead.

PatchworkWonder

Nobody will ever pay for anything because the best either of us can do is a comment on an image board.

1 lyk 1 prayer tho

Krasnopeev

They will... probably like 5 bucks and a slap on a hair strand

Liquidditch

Should, but wont

wasn't even the CEO it was someone underneath him... 2/2

Jakethesnake357

WITH THEIR LIVES!!!

toasteheh

Oh they'll pay. They'll get to pay some fines, because if you have money you can just pay to break the law.

minipancho94

bust out the guillotines, otherwise the company will find some sort of bonus to give them to make up for any fines.

thats the entire point of corporations you know right? more so to protect investors rather than the CEO though, even though they have a say.

There's already a long list of people needing the guillotine. They'll have to wait in line.

CatSnac

Should be exposed to the same chemicals they said were perfectly safe. Scum bags.

145

Those chemicals are safe. Read the damn article dumbass

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Jasminewasmyheart

I thought this was sarcasm, but the downvotes are making me doubt myself.

TheRicM

Found the Monsanto paid internet troll

112

Lol, just call everyone who disagrees with you a paid troll and you will never be wrong!

That’s exactly what a Monsanto paid internet troll would say

akahata

A short reminder that there is a „mute user“ function for internet trolls.

Fantastic! Thanks!

watthefrak

Holy shit!!! I've never noticed it!!!

Wait, wut?

„Mute user“, for asshats who have nothing meaningful to say.

RaxianTheta

silly man, this is america, only poor people have to pay for their crimes.

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PostmortalCoprophagia

Wrong. Poor and rich people have to pay. But the poor can't afford it.

BetterKnownAsJasonDarket

https://imgur.com/NHDaFLK

Sadly, no different from any other system or time in history. It's like a weed. No matter how many times you pull it up it comes back.

7 years ago (deleted Feb 2, 2023 2:16 AM) |

clide005

Idk seems like if you're a white cop you get one free murder of a minority of your choosing. Though there is progress

TwoFlower68

Have you tried Roundup? I heard it's effective and perfectly safe

Oh you!

zamuy12479

the tree of liberty must be periodically watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants. this is why. it will never stay fixed, we have to

keep fixing it, re-working it, reforming our systems each time they break, and oh they will break. i want the quote i began with to only

be metaphorical, and hopefully we, as a society, will get there someday. but i'm not sure we're there yet.

Bayer was dumb as all heck to buy Monsanto and ruin their brand

VoidofStatic

Then they deserve it

JottDanielberg

I assume this is a joke, due to the nazi history of bayer....

HerpaDerpaBob

Or their history of knowingly selling HIV-infected drugs.

Floppydiscpornstar

InsufferablePedant

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24785997/

McMeowmers

That stuff is killing bees too.

274

Pretty sure its not killing bees, however if I recall correctly the binding agent commonly used to help it to stick to waxy leaves does.

Towerhil

Get out of here with your calm information

iggylights

Neonicotinoid insecticides are more detrimental to bees. Not defending Roundup though. That shit should have never been put on the market

bkkhk

SocietyOfSensation

Roundup has already been banned in some countries.

10GigabitCheese

I find it interesting people are arguing against this...

LivingCactus

It's a non selective biocide, apparently.

VinnieDeSchot

No it's not. There is no reliable evidence of that.

Found the corporate paid troll!

Nope I just have a different opinion. Did you know that it's possible for people to disagree???????

jimmer83

All corporate paid trolls say that.

Lol I wish I was being paid

Lifk

Its killing a little bit more than bee. Ask the asian/indian farmer about their family

FromDenmarkWithHate

Ask every river and stream here in Denmark as well. They've been oxygen starved for years!

Fairbas

The world will survive without Asian / Indian farmers ( tragic and terrible as that is) The world won’t survive without bees!

danceswithkittons

Yeah fuck kids suffering death from poisoning

Bees are stupidly important, insects in general are too.

jasontz69

The world will survive with out bees. Thrive no, survive yes

Small addendum: European bees are harvest hit (by orders of magnitude) and contribute little to pollination

aPokal

Of course it will. It might take a few (dozen) decades for something else to find this niche and WE might be gone, but live finds a way.

ThatGirlWithTheStuff

Not if we keep killing everything it won't. Humans have screwed up the ecosystem to the point where life sometimes CAN'T find a way anymore.

sneakymousetrap

"just released" - August, 2017.

codenametrixie

well, it's new to me.

ALargeAgglomerationOfAtomsSuperficiallyResemblingAUser

yeah I have questions about this, like what's the angle that OP's trying to push by bringing this shit up now...

Careful guys, well be called "paid trolls" in a second!

itsybitsyspider

Look at OP's other posts and comments. They're anti-GMO and a huge "organic" pusher.

Better check under your bed for those "scary" GMO!

BallsLikeWatermelonsPeckerLikeAThimble

Sadly, paying trolls is common these days. Look at the political shit posts here. They’re not doing that for free.

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Vedar

How do I get the job? I can shitpost all day, being paid for it is a bonus.

ChickenFingerFingers

Even just recently with the FCC and the net neutrality law. Lobby firms paid to get millions of online support. Article on one of my posts.

bigusdigus

AstroTurf, ever wonder why we're not allowed to question the purity and nobility of vaccines?

Watch the movie Deadly Deception. Tons of suppressed research data and corruption surrounding vaccines. Downvotes here we come.

erischilde

With a title like "deadly deception" I'm sure it's super unbiased and representative.

Hard to sound unbiased when you are exposing a truth that no one wants to hear. Pro-vaxers tow the party line without doing any research.

http://prn.fm/deadly-deception/

CinciGuy

Oh, I see. Ha. Got me. You're just trolling.

ruferto

this isn't even new. it's happened in various forms throughout the ages whenever people had a strong desire to manipulate info

weneedmorequestions

Like the shit postings from the meat-industrie.

pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking

Of course we don't. We do it for attention.

Maajtst

Remember they got NDT and a lot of others to spout the same lies, not just trolls.

Gzzzzzz

I am shit...... where do i sign up?

I argue politics for myself, nobody pays me, so wtf kind of conclusion is that?

quinineline

well I do it for free, where do I sign up to get paid ?

MemesNDreams16

That shit oughta be illegal

RawDogginChixSince2000Six

You would have been better off saying the music industry

lenomdeplume

Labeling all political post as “shitposts” is the most common tactic of Trump-Trolls. Contrary to Rudie Guillianni, the truth IS the truth.

monsterhunter4lyfe

Don't use my fucking bridge then fools.

donnavan

Yup the extremely mysogenistic posts that jump to the top of the front page with comments that are followed by tons of wtf type comments

I remember when they really pushed antiblack people crap hard for a few months. Making sure to add in when someone who does something

posetive is russian and that when some who did something bad is that it doesn't matter. Tons of this crap.

inspiringandfunnyusernamecoolheh

Especially when you see some direct replies

SuperDramaticFusion

I’m not saying it’s not possible but this site’s unique system of praising sarcasm has always encouraged trolling to an extent.

AdrianDunne

In before 'This is FAKE news'.

Wauphale

Tread carefully with, "Everyone I disagree with is a paid troll."

KarakLohr

You may be a troll being paid to discredit political posts in order to keep the population docile and uncaring about political issues

Some people actually give a fuck

PardusXY

Unfortunately the root of their motivation is typically emotional not logical. And emotions generally don’t make sense.

The dumbasses upvoting them are.

LittleLordThudleroy

I troll for free, but for no one in particular. Perhaps if I focused my trolling, I could get paid. Round up is a great poultry seasoning

Thebae

This is super funny, i laughed out loud!

remko

AmazonBoxMonster

Trolls are like mercenaries of the old days

Oh, we must also believe that humanity is the sole cause of climate change, even though science proves its solar output.

This is where I ascribe to a kind of pascal’s wager, whilst I won’t understand the science myself, one option costs money, the other lives.

That was quite the leap from comment to reply.

CoreyKane

Truth

DoorCellar

Like how it's not putting your hand in the flame that burns you, it's the fuel.

I don't know if that is sarcasm or not. But no one, and I mean NO ONE is suggesting that humanity is the SOLE cause of climate change.

How much, exactly, does humanity contribute? Can it even be measured?

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

You know, I’ve always thought that quote was highly internally ironic, no?

I know. It’s kinda hilarious. I was thinking doing a meme about it. Maybe Avengers Civil War or the lava standoff scene.

IProvideEncouragement

Can confirm. My prev job hired a firm to 'improve our online reputation' after 'the incident'. Huge success, you can't even find it anymore.

BwieDieter

CygloPargen

Would love to have more details...

Autodots, roll out!

Yes, there’s no chance they’ve signed something that means they’d get sued for publicly talking about it.

ImKindaDone

Well, I do...

UmamiMama

Me too...

Schitzoflink

Yeah im also just a troll

Trolls of the net, unite!

Wait, are we making a union? How do we even strike? Which capital do we burn down?

shakedownblues

Clearly you're terrible at marketing yourself.

SociopathicOtter

What is that saying? If you’re good at something, don’t do it for free?

I mean, yeah. Seize the means of production, my dude

ImNotGayBut20BucksIs20Bucks

This is what someone who gets paid would say...

Then I’m doing it wrong.

kiddub

Yes/no. Part of the point of trolls is to create distrust and disinformation. People are so tired of politics they just don’t want to deal.

156

Mission accomplished.

1) You are also not helping, as you've now created a trend where people will label anyone who disagree with them politically as "Trolls"

CondescendingCunt

Found the troll.

3) You're just trying to invalidate the person, not their argument...its intellectually lazy.

it's* Don't they teach grammar in troll school? For shame, lad.

1) I'm discussing people like you in another thread. Come have a look. You're all basically like this: "If you say something I disagree with

Riiight, you won't fool me, troll!

2) politically, you are a troll". That's the equivalent Fox News conservatives calling you "libtard", or Liberals calling you "Russia bot".

2) in order to avoid all forms of discussions and just instead invalidate the person. Very healthy for any form of discussion...not.

That's what a troll would claim.

zenoshogun

Remember, GMOs are (generally) a good thing for us, Monsanto's control of the field and related patents is not.

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Agreed

rainwillwashawayeverything

how much did monsante pay you?

I can't trust you. You could be a corporate paid troll.

Also, look into the other issues surrounding GMO's such as patents, cross-contamination/ gene transfer, allergenicity, etc.

patents on food growth are a horrible idea

TANSTAAFL42

I mean, while I don't disagree, there needs to either be government funding or a mechanism for making a profit off of the R&D costs.

No company is going to drop the billion dollars it takes to get a new GMO to market without some way to recoup that. Patents aren't a good

system here, but it's what we've got right now.

but the moment you plant your magic beans, the Earth takes them. it blows them around and the end up everywhere. that is no one’s fault

Paperstars

GMO research is good; the thing is like many things, you take a good idea and put it in the wrong hands, you will always get bad results.

DrunkSnowWhite

The GMOs themselves aren't the problem. It's that the engineered resistance to these things leads to farms dousing crops with them

I was more referring to the effects on the human body. There’s no dangerous substance inherent to GMOs, but what’s sprayed on these might be

That says the only thing in question about GMOs themselves is their environmental impact of whether they’d cross pollinate with nearby crops

“Them” being the herbicides with the now questionable effect on the body. Brainfart, sorry. It’s late.

Actually, the amount of "untouched" research, that isn't paid for by someone who would benefit from a positive outcome, (1/2)

on GMO's is lacking. Especially the long term studies. Not saying it's bad, but there isn't enough evidence to say it's safe for all. (2/2)

Honestly, it's statistically safer that tobacco, smoked marijuana, alcohol, etc. And those are used daily by huge portion of the community

But the people who consume those things know it. They accept the risk and people at risk can easily avoid them. GMO's arent always labelled

MAINBUSUNDERVOLT

As a "GMO proponent," I'm pissed that Monsanto has corrupted the idea in the minds of so many people. The world needs good GMO research.

Philme

Couldnt agree more! I dont mind eating gmo’s i do mind eating massive amounts of herbacide and pesticides.

yowalkonthefaceofshreck

Yea, get me some giant apples not dead bees.

lraskie

I think apples are huge without assistance of GMO's currently, they just use selective breeding

There's also a GMO kind called honeycrisp that are bigger and really good.

The point is that GMOs could, with correctly motivated research and engineering, be healthier/cheaper than their organic counterparts. (1/2)

7 years ago (deleted Feb 2, 2023 1:37 AM) |

But Monsanto is an evil business doing petty things, which prevents people from seeing the inherent power for good in GMOs.

morrighan42

But are they really? More farmers use poor practices now, get bigger crops but are 100% dependent on GMOs cause they need so much poison 1/2

SalvalecRhaplanca

That sort of practice is... what Monsanto encourages, though, when GMOs could be developed in a way that doesn't encourage these practices.

Makerrcat

I don't mean to unfairly criticize but I'm not understanding your logic here. They use GMO's BECAUSE GMO's require poison?

SexySquatch

You're not finding the logic because there is none.

Sort of? Roundup is some serious shit, once you use it long enough it's possible non GM crops will no longer grow in your fields.

*also I have a fever so between that and char limit it's totally possible I'm not making the most sense.

Fuck I WISH this were true, I've dumped enough over my land that nothing should grow, but here I am with weeds for days...

Idsertian

How much is Monsanto paying you?

...You do know that organic farming also requires pesticides that are even more toxic than conventional farming, right?

Wait, I just read that again and no. Organic farming doesn't use pesticides that are more toxic than conventional. Not today Monsanto.

"I don't agree, therefore you're Monsanto." Nice shill gambit. Here I was thinking you could be a fun person to debate with. +1

Since you'll no doubt tell me to do my research http://npic.orst.edu/health/ovc.html

I do, but it's lower yield and usually includes better soil practices

And allows farmers to charge more.

Lower yield just means you need more land for the same quantity. Sounds like extra deforestation to me.

Or you charge more for food, some people get less, some people starve, fewer people need less food.

GM Crops are incorporating better soil practices, too. If you don't have to till the field, you're not releasing CO2 and there's less +1

erosion and water retention within the field. No tilling= no fuel used for the machines to do it, and no CO2 from the soil itself.

which then drifts & kills other crops and hurts the environment. Yet they make less money. People have no idea of the real cost of food 2/?

It's so cheap much of it in the US goes to feed animals or make fuel. So meat is cheaper and we eat more. Also we poison our land here to 3/

send dirt cheap food to other countries. This hurts our land more and leads to higher population in areas that cannot feed themselves. It 4/

may not happen soon, but that will eventually lead to famine in those countries. Except few look at the really big picture, which is that 5/

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