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I wish I could say I was shocked. But I'm not. Disney has always had a tumultuous relationship with the LGBTQ+ community. They're just yet another corporation that is trying to get your "gay money".
Edit 1: Wow most viral? Thanks everyone! First time evers. Send... recipes for spicy food? Or what your fave gaming memory is? okiloveyoubye.
MejorQueUsted
Rinse and repeat with every other cause. Bottomline is money, nobody gives a fuck :(
AsianLeprechaun
I mean yeah I understand Disney's pov. I'm sure they also know that you can't have it both ways.
brainmydamage
Aww look they think corporate support for pride and other social causes is earnest and legitimate. That's adorable.
vanetz
Heh. Was literally rewatching Gravity Falls today.
CoolNewsToday
Don't forget how in the Mulan remake credits it thanks the department carrying out the Ugyhur genocide for letting them film in the region
Ryukee
Aren't all big companies doing this?
fantasticlight
The world isn't just America. They have their own laws. Russia will lock you up.
HiddenSanity
Woolencadavers
Companies should have to earn the flag. Contributed so much to LGBTQ causes to get to use it.
Glasma
xizar
The only ethical way to consume disney products is through theft and piracy.
TheGriffin
tzxAzrael
"precious pennies from russia and china" ... you have no idea what the economic scale is here, do you?
TheTossToss
Hirsch encountered Disney's homophobic bullshit while making Gravity Falls and seems to have (rightly) struggled to get over it.
WhistlePig
That's my favorite show ❤️
Bacxaber
He could get away with gruesome body horror but not spin-the-bottle.
Allanonshea1
And threw it in anyway when he wasn’t getting renewed
awesomecat42
Ending after 2 seasons was Hirsch’s choice, not Disney’s. He’s said from the start he wanted to tell a finite story.
p3culiar15
It has been like a decade now and most LGBT community already know and not stupid enough to fall for those corporate greed shit.
blacksheep214
Movie studios change movies to appeal to local audiences / censors - *surprised Pikachu face*.
blacksheep214
Did you know the European version of Demolition Man has Pizza Hut everywhere? Because there were no Taco Bell's in Europe in the early 90's
BonelessBones
They only care about one color in the rainbow ... and that's green.
intaglioguy
Gays have mohey?
imgursample
There are NO rainbows in Russia or China.
DavidBrooker
Disney and other major media companies are all about being as gay as possible, as much as possible, *except* if it actually carries any 1/2
DavidBrooker
meaning at all, no matter how slight. To make change, to progress, means risk, and there is exactly zero willingness to ever do so. 2/2
DorthLous
As long as Disney courts the Chinese market, forget it. They downplayed and then downgraded Finn because he wasn't polling well as a black..
MoonPieTown
What's your source for the Finn fact?
Nefel
It's bullshit. Disney didn't "downplay and then downgrade" him; it is true though that China reduced his place on their Force Awakens poster
DildoRodeo
Removed, I thought. The poster I saw had a big ass gap where he was.
Nefel
Nah he was shrunk and moved down-centre, like a side character. The MFalcon was made larger and moved up to make up for the empty space.
DildoRodeo
Dumb. The Falcon doesn't even have any lines and it's more important than the third protagonist.
GravzyIT
Their ass.
MoonPieTown
This is why we ask for sources lol...ppl repeat dumb shit without vetting for accuracy.
Howdoesonehuman
I used to work for Brat TV which now has LGBTQ characters in their shows for teens/tweens. I advocated for more representation and>
Howdoesonehuman
They were like "I hear you, but I don't really think it's right to make it into a 'gay network." ???
Howdoesonehuman
So having 95% white cis het characters is somehow for *everyone*?
Niddhoger
Finn and Poe should have been gay in Star Wars! They admit to playing up the bROMANCE on screen, and they were the only two characters 1/3
Niddhoger
with any chemistry together AT ALL. But we all know why Disney wouldn't sign off on it THE COWARDS! Sauce in next comment 2/3
Niddhoger
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/star-wars-john-boyega-finally-admits-finnpoe-romance.html/
lpooptoomuch
OK I hear you but Disney has been having Gay Days at Walt Disney world on the first saturday of every June since 1991
apLundell
Disney doesn't organize those. They pretend as hard as they can that it's not happening.
Ilikerandomgifs
AFAIK, at the least the one at Disneyland isn't an official thing from Disney. It's just people deciding that's the day to show up.
Imalwaysready
They're not trying to sell gay days to a Chinese TV & movie market. They can be both pro and anti-gay at the same time depending on project
imoutofnames
More people need to realize companies only care about money. They aren't "woke" as conservatives call them and they don't care(1)
kojenk
Even all the rainbow stuff is just optics for straight people to feel good about the company.
MrZev
And more people need to realize there are laws in foreign countries that ban anything with LGBTQ in it. So you change it vs can't sell it.
MrZev
When they do that stuff in non oppressive countries, then grab the pitchforks and torches
imoutofnames
About any real political issues. China makes them money so the do things china likes. They realize that catering to conservatives loses(2)
imoutofnames
Them more money so they become "woke" as they are called. It's all about what brings the most money. Nothing more, nothing less. No moral(3)
imoutofnames
Thought goes into this. You want them to stop catering to china then it needs to be less lucrative to do so. If they lise 10m in(4)
imoutofnames
Revenue here for bending the knee but gain 100m in china they will do it.
CurbYourClassWar
Useless platitudes designed to market and sell more. Same with how they'll name a street after your movement, but vote against you in policy
CurbYourClassWar
Just enough to keep people dumb and placated, and still buying their shit.
MadMupp
Companies don't care if your gay or not... they care if you've got money. This whole rainbow picture change is transparent and patronising
palmo
*most companies. Chick fila cares if people aren't straight and donate money to fuck LGBT people over repeatedly.
TheFabulousJacquesRougeau
icookfoodandfightfire
It's super shitty, but they're a business in it to make money, and the Chinese/Russian audience are a much larger profit margin to them>
icookfoodandfightfire
Than the people lgbtq+ community and the allies with them that would boycott Disney, so they pander to the money
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Part of it is they know lgbtq+ and allies won't boycott them. From my very limited experience there's a lot of Disney love in that group.
icookfoodandfightfire
exactly, realistically they dont lose anything by being like this
Serdoa
Whoever believes that companies, their sole purpose being to earn money, do anything for any other purpose is delusional. Just because 1/2
ThisFireGrowsHigher
Depends on the company. I work for a non-profit health care company. Every year we do something so wonderful I cry.
ThisFireGrowsHigher
Every year we somehow make money and every penny goes back into covering medical expenses for member procedures Medicare denies.
ThisFireGrowsHigher
We do have one company party a year. It's in our parking lot, music is performed by employee volunteers, local grocers donate the food.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Even when they're fund-raising, it's for the tax break, not the charity.
Serdoa
brand XYZ has not yet "fucked up" does not mean their "stand with pride" is any less of a lie 2/2
StupidFingAsshole
That's stupid. Companies are run by people, and people have value sets.
DynamaxAgumon
Man it's almost like having gigantic extremely powerful entities whose sole purpose is to make money was a bad idea. But that can't be right
imoutofnames
Exactly. If they made more money here bashing gays they would. These are financial decisions not moral or political ones. Just like the (1)
imoutofnames
"Wokeness" complaint by conservatives. Disney and all these companies arent "woke" they made a calculated decision that supporting (2)
imoutofnames
Or turning a blind eye to what conservatives are doing will earn them less money than if they openly say something against it. (3)
imoutofnames
So that's what they did. The second it becomes more financially advantageous to call out china on their shit companies will line up to do it
gifinim
And Alex Hirsch never worked for Disney again, the end.
Midgarmerc
He gave them Gravity Falls he ain't going anywhere
HandoB4Javert
GiantSquanchy
LefthandedLink
considering his body of work i can't imagine he'd have trouble finding employment elsewhere
StarscreamAndHutch
Yeah. He can double bird on the way out the door and be fine. Ill watch whatever he does next at least once.
TheGriffin
100% he makes good shows
Uranus633
And that will only prove his point. He will be fine it's not like he was attacking china or anything......
Ozimbah
He's actually working on Disney's The Owl House right now, which has a same-sex romance budding front and center. The show's created by his
Ozimbah
girlfriend, Dana Terrace, so maybe he's leveraging what he learned from Gravity Falls to help her keep the representation she wanted in it.
TheGriffin
Disney has basically preemptively cancelled TOH by saying "s3 will only be 3 44min episodes". It might continue. But it's unlikely I think
Doomhower
He’s at Netflix now, I don’t think he’s too worried about it.
HamshanksCPS
What's he doing with Netflix? I'm interested to watch it if he's involved.
MagnorCriol
Kid Cosmic! It’s a *fantastic* show. Definitely look it up.
MagnorCriol
Update: I was wrong! Craig McCrackenis the one who does Kid Cosmic. I mixed up my “cool guys who do awesome cartoons” files.
abazoe
I think he’s perfectly well aware of what bridges he burns. He’s a smart man.
JustFeedMePieDammit
But does he understand the Gravity of the situation, or the height from which he Falls?
WilliamWeird
Owl assume his House is in order
Theotokoss
May the bridges he burns light his way!
AnimalRescueGuy
He’s a financially successful man. Being able to burn bridges has nothing to do with intellect. He can light a cigar with that bridge.
Dionysus187
good on him. Too many people have "fuck you" money and refuse to use it.
AnimalRescueGuy
Or they use it in the wrong “fuck you” kind of way. Yeah, I’m looking at you, Batman! That’s NOT how you fix city problems!
abazoe
A stupid person might burn a bridge without realizing it. He is both financially secure and intelligent.
BallsDeepinaDragonscloaca
What's this about Hirsch burning the Disney bridge?
DrOzmodeus
He made Gravity Falls, a very popular disney TV show
BallsDeepinaDragonscloaca
Yea. I'm aware.
DeathBy1000PaperCuts
In the tweet above, he is publicly criticizing Disney for their two faced attitude towards gay characters in their properties.
TheThunderbirdRising
Isn't he voicing characters on Disney's Owl House?
LincLoud
Yes, he is
TheGriffin
And Disney has basically already announced that TOH s3 is only gonna be 3 44min specials, effectively meaning its ending. I doubt he 1/>
TheGriffin
2/> cares about burning that bridge. And he's dating the show creator, who had to relentlessly push for the lead character to be bi 2/>
TheGriffin
3/> because Disney fought her every chance they got
Roughbuddha
Hootie!
Roughbuddha
Hooty* AND King!
ExecutorHideo
Not sure if entirely relevant, but I was walking past my TV, Amphibia was on and had to pause it because...
ExecutorHideo
Also even more unrelated, on the next episode I saw, they had Trogdor as a backup plan...
poopjokesarefunny
BILL!!
dinosaurzoologist
He didn't want to. He wanted more representation in his shows but Disney said no.
dinosaurzoologist
He snuck in that Grenda in gravity falls is trans anyway
Frogapus
As a trans woman, I'm a little torn. Yay for representation! But that's a ROUGH depiction of a trans person.
awesomecat42
Grenda never read as trans to me? I’ve seen way more trans Dipper headcanons that trans Grenda ones.
dinosaurzoologist
I can see how this representation is harmful. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Might I recommend the new she ra reboot? It's got a
dinosaurzoologist
Lot of really good representation and great character development.
ryankBodyBreaker
Did he say this after the fact? Seen the show a thousand times and dont remember them even hinting at this, aside from the voice/physique.
dinosaurzoologist
I think originally he intended for lgbtq+ characters but Disney shut it down. I can't find the article I was reading about it tho....
awesomecat42
The cops are gay (not explicitly until the last episode because Disney) and there was going to be some rep in the background but Disney...
ryankBodyBreaker
Yeah the cops are obvious to anyone watching, hey. Was wondering more about Grenda.
awesomecat42
...put the nix on that (although the episode if filled with rainbows in retaliation). Hirsch has also implied on Twitter that Wendy is bi.
JustFeedMePieDammit
Didn’t know that! It’s nice that absolutely nobody in the show made a huge deal about it
dinosaurzoologist
Oh I know right! Mabel and candy treated her exactly like one of the girls. I think he wanted to make a mention about it but Disney....
darkhalfbreed
Also the cops were gay
dinosaurzoologist
Very