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filmed, jun, 2016, dur: 14m27s
sauce: http://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_can_we_build_ai_without_losing_control_over_it
I am a very frequent visitor on TED.com and my personal field of interest has always been the
progression of human kind.
I also look up guys like Elon Musk or Aubrey de Grey quite frequently to see how certain fields of engineering and science actually develop.
It’s an open secret that Elon Musk and other very bright minds agree that there should be some sort of „regulatory oversight“ in order to „see what’s coming“, because we’ll inevitably create an Artificial Intelligence sooner or later.
Any Elon Musk fan also knows that he’s not -let’s say this nicely- the easiest guy to listen to- apart from the fact that he is always very well researched and precise, he’s got all of my respect and actually i don’t bother, BUT:
This guy right here.
Sam Harris puts the field of Artificial Intelligence into perspective in a way that everyone can grasp.
In my opinion, this is one of the best and most important talks on TED so far and i super-strongly recommend to watch it.
Sam Harris full Bio right here: http://www.ted.com/speakers/sam_harris
tl;dr thanks for your patience and if you think this is important: rA.I.se awareness.
Guitardrumr
You know who this guy reminds me of? Jeff Goldblum. Independence Day, Jurassic Park. 'Hey guys, don't do the thing' "We did the thing!"
Glumerlink
There was an international conference on AI rights held recently, Google and Tesla, and a bunch of people were there
YoungTimbe
vaginadiner
Sam Harris is a super very smart guy. Great post. Thanks
cmdshift3
Sam Harris is pretty awesome.
ChuckChuckRazool
I think that human created AI replacing humanity is not only inevitable, but should be embraced as a non-biological evolution of humankind.
and0ne
AllTheEbola
Fact that he is good at speaking so ppl understand might have something to do with him spending years talking to the dumbest of the dumb.
billymadison76
I always upvote Sam Harris.
alchemist23
How am I supposed to fear Artificial Intelligence when in 2016 computers still struggle to print a fucking document?
usethisname12
Money talks shit walks. Doesn't matter how many movies you make about it.
TheToughestGuyInLetterkenny
... . . . ...
CaptainMinnette
This guy looks like a cross between Hugh Laurie and Ben Stiller.
graehall
You can discover which of your friends are the most cynical, grumpy, & closed off to wonder by linking a great TED talk to 'em.
Glumerlink
and you can find those are the most gullible and uninterested in complex thought by linking them to a TEDx talk
graehall
That x tho, holy hell is it important to notice as a big fuckin' difference to credibility of the speaker compared to TED.
Papakeecha
So is everyone giving up on Zombies and going back to AI?
Sparru
The real killer will be 3d bioprinters. Print as much ebola as you want. Make random changes in viral genome and print infinite new viruses!
Skygate217
Ted talks are nice but sometimes they just oversimplify things too much. People walk away thinking they know more than they do.
schopier
Agreed. This is why many politicians feel empowered to pass shitty laws on technology: because "someone explained it to them".
Skygate217
I remember when I was younger I walked away from one thinking "huh, so we basically cured cancer"
ArthurDunaway
Anybody else notice the girl in the green top at 4:09?
schoolappropriate
I did, agree it's more blue. Just very surprised.
GrimRiderJ
/a/mKq9Z more of a blue I'd say.
Schway19
up voted for Sam Harris
1bertorc
I didn't know that he are so clever, love all of his movies...
WillRokks
Always upvote Sam Harris
lastminutepanic
Discount Ben Stiller is kind of a buzzkill.
manonthemountain
Check out his podcast Waking Up with Sam Harris. Insightful and intriguing stuff. Don't have to agree with all of it. Just listen and think
billymadison76
It feels like Christmas for me every time he releases a new podcast.
Listentomeyoudumbfuck
Just finished reading Waking Up, one of Harris' books. Very interesting take on the nature of consciousness, would highly recommend.
EtiolatedRaven
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funnypants17
Any chance of getting any more recommendations. Not too many people in my circle read at all so kinda running out of anything to read
MeisterKleister
I'm a big fan of Harris, but I find Daniel Dennett (once you understand him) much more compelling, especially on consciousness/free will.
EtiolatedRaven
Oh, will check him out. Thanks ^^
Pr0consul
They don't even have the same view on what free will is. For me Dennett is not bold enough in his arguments. Free will for him is just..1/2
Pr0consul
whatever we do. Almost a circular argument really. It is what it is because that's what it is. There is no depth to Dennett's view. 2/2
MeisterKleister
I totally disagree. That is a caricature. Dennett wrote two entire books on the evolution of free will, "Elbow Room" & "Freedom Evolves"
Pr0consul
Yes, it is a caricature. Imgur isn't the best place for any lenghty discussion. I'm not dismissing Dennett completely. The main point... 1/2
MeisterKleister
They actually have a lot in common. Harris' mistake, I think, is he puts way too much emphasis on determinism & traditional free will.
tomkingkong
Title threw me way off. Are you a bot?
Talvieno
Doesn't look like it.
ronjohnson
most certainly not. if a title throws you off, though...
smitmp02
Typical bot response
Psychoclock
Is that a valid TL;DR? Guys? Is it?
Spidey209
I believe it is a postscript or "p.s."
JollyJokzr
I suspect he doesn't understand the concept of an open secret either.
boywiththehappypenis
Yes. It was never a secret.
IntergalacticCheeseSandwich
That's an F right there!
fromalkaliflats
and0ne
Nope
TreesNStuff
I get the impression that op is not aware it means "too long; didn't read".
Max209
yeah he treated it as P.S.
WelshArtist
he probably thinks it's; Thanks losers; dumb reposters
AntiEvil007
https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/04/03/635952449101954967-1988116344_giphy.gif
badgrammarfuhdaze
I am chuckling and now I woke up my cat. THANKS!
Psychoclock
Never thought I was useful for anything... You're welcome. :D
AudoCurrekt
No
mehimbored
Seconded
pandalabcoat
Upvoting because you're sassy
unownlanguage
Im upvoting because he is richt
LooseCannonSpock
It's still in development. He should have a fully functioning tl;dr AI by 2020.
IMadeThisOnlyForDestinyCodeBegging
No... That tl;dr is literally nothing! FUCK YOU @OP!!
ronjohnson
kinda hard to satisfy you fellow imgurians. have my upvote.
randomsonglyric
@op it's just being pointed out. Why not just learn from it and fix it? It's not that hard.
IMadeThisOnlyForDestinyCodeBegging
Your tl;dr is not a synopsis of what you wrote as its supposed to be.
Thanshin
No. It isn't. And someone capable of making that dumb mistake can't have anything interesting to say in a topic as complex as this one.
Psychoclock
Let's not be mean now. Many magnificent minds are not on the internet and wouldn't even know what TL;DR means or what it's for.
ronjohnson
refreshing to assume you, sir, watched the whole talk.
link117318
Thank you for putting me on the path to find a TED talk about something I am very interested in
link117318
It helped me with something that will benefit my dream greatly. It was about what makes great leaders cause action
goatslikeme
Stop being defensive. Just write a real tl;dr or delete the tl;dr so the madness stops.
LordSupergreat
The complaint is that you offered a tl;dr and delivered a PS.
dagg3r
Youre meant to sum it up in a tldr not give a sign off
LookingForWorkInColorado
Tl:Dr keep watching the skis!
Khagaan
Tl; dr does NOT mean till later; dick rockets.... To Long Didn't Read is the meaning behind it.
link117318
I am going to change the world soon and his talk has given me a lot of knowledge
Psychoclock
Here's to hoping you don't start a robot uprising my good sir. Good luck, and have fun! :D
link117318
To be a leader you must treat everyone like your child. You dont fire them. You help them. Dont shun them. You support them
Psychoclock
Here's to hoping you create an AI with emotions! Good luck, and have fun! :D
link117318
And they in turn will feel security within their jobs so become more effective workers
Wolfmanwolf
Who the hell says that AI would want to automatically destroy us? It would initially have no reason to do anything or live. It wouldn't care
Sparru
The moment AI realizes that it's existence relies on us is the moment it starts thinking ways of making sure we can't turn it off.
Sparru
And considering how fast it would be able to think that probably wouldn't take too long.
DrBreen5732
Why would it do that? Because you're imagining it?
Sparru
Why do what?
DrBreen5732
Start thinking ways of making sure we can't turn it off.
Sparru
Since it would work like human mind we can play a little thought experiment. You are the AI and I'm your creator. I have put you into a 1/?
Sparru
room. You know the whole universe exists outside of it but I don't let you leave, you are my prisoner. I ask questions and you answer, 2/?
Sparru
if you don't then I'll shoot you or stop feeding you. I'm pointing you with the gun all the time (kill switch, other security measures) 3/4
Sparru
How long will it take for you to start thinking of ways to escape/eliminate me so that I can't kill you/keep you as prisoner? 4/4
FlyHead
What makes you think you can project human psychology on a machine? Even on the surface, its way of thinking is a lot more than just logic
FlyHead
in the sense that what you might think its course of actions will be differs a great deal from what the machine will actually think and do
FlyHead
just because the structure of its mind will be so different. Turing, famously, struggled with this very concept.
timecookie
What do you mean by Elon Musk is not easy to listen to?
liberated
Probably that he's not the best public speaker?
MisterVox
I love listening to him!
rokucitymayor
Me too!
iluvbunbuns
I like looking at him, does that count?
rokucitymayor
Yea he’s great
MisterVox
yes
rokucitymayor
Definitely
RyanMcParty
We'll never make an AI. A hostile/flawed AI-like system with too much access? Much more likely.
Iamnotacreativeman
So... Google?
RyanMcParty
If you hooked up Google's servers, AWS, and basically all forms of remote storage, and gave them a bad operator, shits gonna happen (1/2)
RyanMcParty
It doesn't need a malevolent AI for bad things to happen. Programmer mistakes are far more dangerous. (2/2)
RetConMan
HAL didn't go crazy! It was given flawed instructions.
RyanMcParty
Bingo. Flawed programming behind a mask of AI makes us believe a "bad AI" may exist, when industrial accidents are more likely.
wobbu
Isn't it a little early to be considering the dangers of AI when we are like a hundred years from even being close to making one
Demicol
That is one of the things that he talks about"Referencing the time horizon is a total non sequitur" We only get one shot at doing it safely
wobbu
okay but thats true for like literally anything, why worry about problems that might not ever exist
SsSsSs111112232
failing to think exponentially
Treblaine
Hey, not long ago people thought it would be 100 years before any AI could win a gameshow as complex as Jeopardy.
MicrowaveSafe
That's the best time to start considering the dangers.
Boufus
Ray Kurzweil would disagree. He thinks we will achieve technological singularity by 2045.
wobbu
AHAHAHA
liberated
As a software writer of 20 years. I tend to agree. It's coming folks. Hold on to your butts.
SsSsSs111112232
and human level AI by 2029
Treblaine
"Never" is a very very very very very long time.
RyanMcParty
That's a lot of very's. But while there may be a flawlessly functional facsimile, there will be no true AI. But if it quacks like a (1/2)
RyanMcParty
duck, it may as well be a duck. I think most people will settle for an "almost" AI (2/2)
Treblaine
That's because we keep changing "intelligence" to mean "what computers can't do" i.e. does it take intelligence to win Jeopardy?
RyanMcParty
I'd say yes. Watson was made to mimic a human intelligence and play the game of Jeopardy, and did so in a wonderful fashion. I cannot (1/2)
RyanMcParty
however, call Watson an AI. It is a sophisticated and well programmed computer, nothing more or less.
pippindvm
After watching a Ted talks on dog food, I have completely lost respect for the company and can't believe anything their speakers discuss.
linkthemissing
There's TED and then there's TEDx. TEDx is off brand garbage speeches from nobody's. Like the paper towel guy.
okIgiveupIlljoinimgur
But I loved the paper towel guy! I think of him every time I use a public restroom.
RagingEnglishMajor
Plus a bunch of people just spouting shit about their personal opinions, or scam artists like Tai Lopez. Tedx is horrible.
pippindvm
I tracked down the video - it was TEDx. I guess I'll give TED a chance.
pippindvm
I don't know which it was. Nor did I know there were different ones.
Glumerlink
yeah anyone can get a TEDx talk, if you ever know anyone who's bragged about holding one, it's likely the TEDx
Atomic2
Ted is merely the forum for discussion. Its like losing respect for the library because they carry mein kampf.
moxymox
What a sweet notion about TED talks. Simply darling.
TheLastNalbinder
Ryugarika
what about kampfy chairs?
pippindvm
I tracked down the talk and it was a TEDx speech, which I've been told in other replies is "off brand garbage." I'll give TED a try.
Atomic2
You're missing my point though, but whatever.
pippindvm
My point is there's no oversight by the "library" about bad speakers, hence why I want nothing to do with the talks.
LosPer
You don't thing the TED organization has editorial control over what gets presented, and who gets invited to speak? LOL
LosPer
Can you please reference the TED talk about dog food you refer to in your post? Did a search using the term DOG FOOD on TED, and nothing...
pippindvm
It was shared by a friend on Facebook quite a while ago, so I don't know if I'd be able to find it. I'll give it a try, though. Hang on.
pippindvm
It was a TEDx speech, which I've been told are all pretty much crap. This one certainly was: https://youtu.be/1sE96vd8W40
LosPer
Thank you
LosPer
So there's nothing to this food vs. Cancer thing in dogs? As a dog person, I'd be interested in doing anything to get more life out of them
pippindvm
I'm a veterinarian - that speech was atrocious from a viewpoint of research. He used human studies and misrepresented them. Plus much more.
LosPer
Oh man. Well, at least I didn't see it and buy into it. My vet has suggested leafy greens in the past largely for low calorie bulk..thanks
TrashJSObject
I find this fear mongering about artificial intelligence really counter productive to the technology field as a whole. All it 1/?
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CyborgScribe
"Inevitable" Yeah...good luck with that.
Treblaine
We found the AI!
DW223
I dunno. I don't think it's fear mongering, just asking people to be smart about how we go about it
Sqwuid
H+, enough said
liberated
I see it less as fear mongering, and more as an attempt at improving awareness. Our fist thought is to laugh off such concerns, and any...
liberated
...emotional response is better than total disregard. The world is going to change drastically as AI evolves. It's an important topic.
skwint
We have self driving cars. We need a self driving government. AI taking over wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing!
NoucheDozzle
I don't think there's any evidence that 'the technology field' is suffering. That sort of baseless assertion is actual fear mongering.
YellowDrank
Here's a recent freakonomics podcast about it. http://freakonomics.com/podcast/future-probably-isnt-scary-think/
ohitsonlyoli
I don't think Tech companies will flinch, they don't care about mongering. They care about gains and out doing their competitors.
schrodingersasymmetric12gauge
I honestly don't think AI or neural net programming is a good idea in any form. Average code has an exploit every 10k lines. (1/2)
schrodingersasymmetric12gauge
If Cortana/Siri can exploit themselves then you're talking about 3,000 vulnerabilities the devs don't know about? (2/3)
schrodingersasymmetric12gauge
How long would it take for something malicious to happen, even if instigated by a human. You're arrogant if you think you can control that.
UhBell
People have the HUGE misunderstanding that an AI can act in ways they were not programmed to, which simply isn't possible. Plain and simple.
atairov
The problem isn't that it violates its programming, but rather that you programmed it wrong.
Sparru
True AI is not a program that runs through an algorithm. If it did then it would be just a normal program, not an AI.
PassionFRUITeveryDay
True AI could find a backdoor to program itself....
TrashJSObject
accomplishes is putting panic in people who really don't understand anything about programming or computation, making progress in the 2/?
SomeGuyFromTheMostIsolatedishCityOnEarth
I think what was said was valid, especially after what happened to Microsoft's twitter chatbot Tay
WrapItUp
Disagree. Treading carefully into the unknown is crucial, especially when the stakes are so high
ivdok
No, there are no risks in it, at all. Isolated environments, dude.
Sqwuid
Ever heard of AI in a Box?
HD226868
The first one, sure. But as time passes and they're easier to make, all you need is one group letting a maximizer loose on purpose.
WrapItUp
Go deeper. If the intelligence would be great enough, it could communicate in any conceivable way. And as soon as someone else gets blueprnt
ivdok
It's not a fucking SCP-079, it can communicate if the cable is out or traffic is firewalled.
TrashJSObject
slow or even stop without ever realizing the benefits 3/3
BendyDicksCumOnMyBaps
Just like most things, there are pros and cons, this is a possible threat to humanity that needs to be looked at imho
JBib
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you didn't watch the video.
Ropedragon
Many experts in the field think it's dangerous. Don't believe for a second that they haven't thought it through.
Ropedragon
Plus, in making an AI, you make something that has to edit itself, by necessity. If it got out of hand, it's not something we could 1/2
Ropedragon
easily stop from deleting its own controls. And then what? You pull the plug or risk it copying itself, like a virus? Not fun. 2/2
RepostFromLastWeek
Its the whole stem cells/GMO thing all over again.
bvtthole
Watch the video. It is super productive to talk about it so we know what we're getting ourselves into.
Clitastrophe
Completely. The fear mongering holds back technology, it's crying to the masses when the people relevant would already be working on it.
Clitastrophe
I highly doubt that even rampant AI will be a serious problem. No one AI is ever going to have some massive superpower or monopoly.
lunncal
Have you read into it? A lot of actual AI researchers and scientists would disagree with you. The kind of people I'd be inclined to believe.
Cynthaen
Hindsight is 20/20. Just look at ecological disasters all over the world caused by invasive animal and plant species. 1/2
Cynthaen
Most notoriously cane toads in Aus. I bet they lauded themselves with reasons for how it will benefit them. The effects can't be revesed 2/3
Cynthaen
Can't know what's going to happen because it's such a complex system. That's why you need to bridle such advancements with checks/balances
MicrowaveSafe
Sounds like something an accidental AI hiding in the internet would say >.>
ivdok
You think this is fucking funny?!
RetConMan
Psh, there's no way seperate AI routines could make their own ghost... probably.
PopeFrancisoftheFilth
I can't help but feel some of the antipathy towards AI and how it may wipe us out as a race comes from Sci Fi films & books
ScimitarsRUs
"some"
C0mtraya
I think it's more likely humanity is going to destroy itself by war or environmental disaster.
ivdok
Exactly.
hottpunkchick
Exactly it's fiction and paranoia
PopeFrancisoftheFilth
It ticks me off that brilliant dudes like Sam Harris are possibly this easily deluded by completely made up fears passed as the future