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So far I've seen the left's reaction to Trump's victory split into two camps: the first has descended into blaming the red states as being populated by racist idiots, while the second has descended into liberal guilt about how the left doesn't understand rural America. I don't think either of those are correct, but I don't think either are completely wrong either. However, I definitely agree with this guy that there is more to it.
If you don't see the struggle of minorities being discriminated against, it's hard to care about it. I don't mean that in a finger-pointing, "Bush doesn't care about black people" way, I mean you simply don't care one way or the other. It's not a thing in your life, and so it's not a factor in your decision making. For many people who voted for Clinton, this was an election of morals. But many of the moral issues are issues that simply aren't relevant for a lot of communities.
Yes, there are a significant proportion of Trump voters who are single-issue voters (such as on abortion, gay marriage, or opposition to Islam) who will vote for whatever Republican is on the ballot, but I think a lot of them just don't care one way or another about things that were considered the most polarizing topics of the election. They are not big issues for them because the problem simply doesn't manifest in their lives, so they don't understand why it matters so much to people who voted the other way. I'm not saying they are stupid for not getting it, any more than I think left-leaning voters are stupid for not getting rural America, but I do think it's a good part of why they think Clinton voters are being reactionary when they call out Trump voters for supporting discrimination.
Since this series of tweets, the author has polished them into an expanded article on the subject that I encourage you to read: http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america
tl;dr: "Of course, people on the coasts could stand to meet more rural and exurban people, to understand why they are anxious about a changing world and less economic opportunity. But rural and exurban people need to see more of America. People do not understand the depths of how little rural America travels and sees other people and cultures."
This spoke to me because I grew up in a rural area in England (I now live near Washington DC), and this was my experience growing up too. I looked at a photo of my graduating class and couldn't pick out (let alone remember) anyone who wasn't white. I grew up thinking racism just wasn't a problem, not because we were denying it, but because we simply never saw it. It wasn't until moving away for college that I really began to understand just how much discrimination existed outside our community.
Today, the place where I grew up is a lot more diverse. There is definitely more discrimination as a result. But many places have not seen this change, and there's a lot more of those places on this side of the Atlantic.
asmallcat
I grew up in a town of 2,000. A black student transferred to our school. There was so much racism she transferred out in a month.
azazyel
The Mosque that I live next to has been attacked 3 times that I know of before the election. I'm scared of what might happen now.
tacopartyinyourmouth
It's almost as if the whole country is failing to imagine other people complexly.
shedooooooooo
Grew up in Kansas. The only county that voted blue was where I went to school at KU. People there were more educated, more diverse.
ItTastesLikePurple
It's like the people who've been whining about "safe spaces" the last few days haven't realized they've been in their own type of safe space
PaulTomblin
This is why the big cities are liberal - because we live among and know people of other religions, ethnicities and sexual orientation.
Trelfar
Also, WTF is up with album images rearranging themselves into a different order?? 2 and 3 were the other way around before I posted.
azazyel
They really messed up the album section after the last revamp.
lafe
Maybe we need to set up a culture exchange program between Coastals and the Midwest. Spend a week in each other's towns. Would that help?
Trelfar
Some schools already have foreign exchanges, and if the culture gap is getting worse this might be a good idea. Travel cost is an issue tho.
Duckfan91
Abso-fucking-lutely THIS.
gingerminge
The thing is, this is something that you can do something about in your own communities with field trips, camps, and interfaith organization
Normalface
It's almost like a lot of Rural America is so poor they can't possibly travel to another state most of the time...
DrO3
No, most just don't want to. I grew up in an area exactly like this and people are happy to just stay out because the city "scares" them.
HatsAreEssential
And now all the trump supporters & haters getting into fights & riots is going to drive home that fear...
trollingworld
Wow this touched me.My parents are from a rural place and i lived my whole in a city with 202 nationalities and always look down at people1/
trollingworld
I am elitist snob. Never thought of it before.2/2
motorwaffle
I would amend the "isolated themselves" part. Many don't have much opportunity for travel.
5700
White dude, central Florida highschool, everybody lives here.
Trelfar
Sure, the post above isn't the story everywhere. But is the story in enough places to matter.
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momentsofnicole
I grew up in a pretty white area then lived in diverse areas (NYC). It really wasn't until these past few years I finally saw real racism.:(
originalWFHhipster
So you're saying the lack the gift of empathy?
DontColdTheLizard
I like this, doesn't goes into "OMG crybabies grow up" but neither on the "OMG stop being racist" arguments, as many currents posts point.
NotExistor
This reminds of an experience I had with a Saudi roommate I had during a summer program when I was a teenager. I usually avoided topics (1)
NotExistor
like women's rights, but I did overhear him talking about them once. He never said anything directly against women or insulted them, but (2)
NotExistor
he simply didn't understand why we were so adamant about it. He wasn't expressly against women's right to drive, he said he didn't see (3)
NotExistor
why they would need to. This is pretty similar. People aren't as simple as they sometimes seem.
PoopFrosting
very good stuff @OP
Misslnformation
Poopfrosting for President '20!!!
Trelfar
That means a lot coming from you, PoopFrosting :D
AFineDayForScience
It was a really good post though. I'm from rural MO, now live in a city and had never made this connection before.
TestAccount321
So I'm not too excited when I hear "we did it for the jobs! We've been silenced and ignored for all too long!" by a majority group
BubbaRunski
Especially since Trump's plans won't actually help trade and nothing will bring back manufacturing jobs because robots do that shit now.
RobertEmmet
And slaves! Don't forget the modern day slaves. Robots and slaves have really ruined the concept of a low-skilled middle class
GogglesGreek
Yup. That's the point I kept trying to get across. At this point, too many won't admit they were conned until it's too late.
TestAccount321
that hasn't had to taste the kind of discrimination many smaller group still face today, and generally get ignored when they bring it up.
TestAccount321
And still have to jump more hurdles for these "jobs" that are coming back specifically because they're minorities. If you think you've been
TestAccount321
set back, then think about what it's like for people who often are set back.
GogglesGreek
Which is why both sides need to talk, and to stop being 'sides' altogether.
NurietaGM
It's difficult to talk when the other person has voted for some1 who said ur family is full of rapists or banned from entering the country.
Warhunterkiller
You also have to think that not everyone has the money to travel.
DrO3
(1) While I agree to some extent, bigger cities are typically no more than a few hours drive away. I grew up in S. Indiana and until I ...
DrO3
(2) started to travel, my parents had never been west of St. Louis, a mere 3 hours away, never chicago, only 6 hours away.
Warhunterkiller
Yeah, there's just a lot of variables as to why some people never venture far out.
CatsAgainstHumanity
It's almost as if we should all actually try to be friends with and talk to people who aren't exactly like us.
AlmostAandOx3
Fuck that and fuck you! Haven't you ever heard the song savages? #pocohontas
Trelfar
Fancy that, eh?
ilovemynewcar
WTF DUDE NO LET'S BURN SOME MORE EFFIGIES
Mwogeneral
Rule #1Be excellent to each other. #2 don't be a dick. This Pretty much sums up how we should treat each other.
ForSovngarde
That's not the point. It's that some people don't live in areas with people who aren't like them. It's hard to understand racism when 1/?
ForSovngarde
You have never met a black person.
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
Or we could fuck them all to death
lordkickass
Oh jeeeez
imokaywithbeingunimpressiveisleepbetter
waela
My best friend and I are both military wives who now live in SoCal. She is from a small town in Texas. She knew 2 black kids growing up.
waela
She had always heard people complaining about racism but she'd never seen it. In her tiny town, those 2 black kids were "cool." Everyone
waela
Liked them. So she thought that racism had to be overblown. People had to have been exaggerating. We went out to a bar one night and she
waela
Got her first taste of racism first hand. A guy started chatting her up, then suddenly went off on a rant about a "nigger" who had the
waela
Nerve to show up with a white woman. He ended up causing a mass fight in the street. She was so shocked at his words and was sobbing.
waela
I was trying to comfort her, but I wasn't shocked. I'd seen it before. Then a black man walked up and asked if she was okay. I explained
TestAccount321
I don't think all of Trump's voters are idiots. But I do think they've voted someone with a long racist/sexist history into office,
cardboardwhales
I agree with you about them not all being idiots. But ignorant? People don't understand what this country needs in terms of economic and soc
cardboardwhales
Social policies besides what someone else who is "their friend" told them
inboxmefoxes
You can do extremely idiotic things without being an idiot, of course.
TestAccount321
his running mate, openly against gay people, and a political party that historically doesn't mind suppressing votes if it means that they
TestAccount321
get to stay in power, and generally, these people have campaigned on, or are promising terrible things for these minority groups.
TestAccount321
I expect my peers to stand up say "no, this is wrong!" when this sort of thing happens, but as history has shown, minorities usually
TestAccount321
end up abandoned by the majority when this time comes, and have to fight for X amount of years until justice is served.
ByThePowerofCommonSense
Excellent points especially the one about the community and I think that is what really hurt people about this election myself included
juniorman00
When your only exposure to people of diversity is the "if it bleeds it leads" newscasts, you are living in Plato's Allegory of the Cave
GogglesGreek
Yeah, there's a real cottage industry of deliberately scaring poorer rural people, because they felt like they needed some group to blame.
slurmlover
I also read books.
NephCohen
this cannot be upvoted enough.
cheeseriot
I love that allegory. Some people use it to explain forms however I think it works best for ideas and stereotypes
Trelfar
Had to look that up as I've never studied philosophy. I agree.
juniorman00
I went to a high school with little diversity as well. And had horribly racist family, but I never felt that way. I feel lucky that way
ohdonger
Sometimes a horribly racist family is only 1 convenient generation away.
Trelfar
My family were only racist against Germans, which they got from my grandparents living in London during the Blitz. (1/2)
Trelfar
(2/2) Luckily I figured out that was BS before meeting my half-German wife. Meanwhile, my mum still calls Chancellor Merkel a Nazi.
SirReginaldDukeOfChutney
I have always been distrustful of people with the title of "chancellor" ever since chancellor palpatine.
minabear
My boyfriend's family is from the country, and my brother is gay. Whenever they mention my brother or his boyfriend they always say, ..
GonzoDrifter
2. Grab em by the pussy
PataRican
I lol'd
minabear
2. "your brother's... partner?" really slowly and cautiously. I don't think they intend to be weird. They just don't know.
copingcabana
I say it that way about my brother's S/O and he's straight. We just have no idea how serious he and she are.
coloradobluebirdsky
My parents always say "her...good friend..." about my sisters Gf. it's so annoying. Or special friend. Ugh.
thatlamer
It's always hard to tell. I have some family that are straight up homophobic and borderline racist but try to hide it, and others that 1/2
thatlamer
are ignorant to lgbt issues, but are understanding and just need to be taught things like preferred pronouns. 2/2
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
My cousin was the 1st person to come out in my home town. No one gave a shit but didn't know how to act because it was so new.
PaliQ
That's like when my friend met my other trans friend. She could not get it into her head to call him 'him'. Hadn't ever met someone trans.
feawen
Always seems easier when they are new to you.After 6 years of school they changed and I still stumble on the pronoun I used five days a week
PaliQ
Well since she was confused about his gender, and she was a vet tech, her instinct was to go with "it". We had to swiftly correct that.
rubbarz
Thats a caring family who werent taught how to deal with the situation but are willing to learn.
minabear
Definitely! I'm not putting them down at all. They're just super out of their element
momentsofnicole
I think it's adorable how they're trying <3
TrijezniMujo
Maybe they say it carefully to not seem offensive?
defaultentry
My first thought is they catch themself before saying wife out of reflex.
minabear
That's what I'm saying... they're overly cautious because they don't know that it's totally fine to say "Boyfriend"
Gegenschein
About rural people not traveling: I have an uncle who is a farmer. We saw his family at a reunion recently. They hand gone on any kind of >
Iwantgreenarrows
It isn't self isolation. It isn't a choice to be separate. How they treat the minority's the are close to is what matters.
Gegenschein
Hadn't gone*
deciumwarrior
We don't travel, period. There's like 4 generations of us within a block of each other. I didn't even leave the Midwest until I was 17.
DeusExSpockina
I feel like there need to be an irl version of Tumblr's "y'all need to go outside"
deciumwarrior
Us being my family, that is.
Banjostory
My mom didn't leave Wisconsin/Minnesota/Michigan until she was into her 30s.
deciumwarrior
Neither did my dad. Iowa/Missouri area though.
Nibbletts
YES. It's not that we choose to stay in our neck of the woods, it's mostly because we have to. When my dad decided to go to college after...
Nibbletts
About 20 years of dairy farming, it was a big deal in our community. You just don't make a change like that.
Gegenschein
vacation in almost 15 years. You just can't when you run a farm. Animals need to be fed every day. They had to go to great lengths >
Gegenschein
just to get away for a few days. They almost didn't come.
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
This needs to be top comment. Very few outside of farming get that it's a way of life, not a job. And it's ridiculously hard.
GetSchwifty
Your uncle doesnt have friends or? I live in saskatchewan. If you told your friends you wanted to go in vacation they would look after your
GetSchwifty
Farm for you.
Gegenschein
He was eventually able to get some friends to watch the farm. They have their own farms though. It was hard to coordinate
DeusExSpockina
Most rural people are not family farmers though.
ThisIsWhatAUserNameLooksLike
I also grew up on a farm, but my dad hired someone to do chores when he was gone. But pig farms are easier to do that with than cattle.
ThisIsWhatAUserNameLooksLike
but our only vacations were to places like florida, and south dakota. Not exactly diverse.
GogglesGreek
This is why rural areas in the mountains or hours from cities are the most withdrawn, no opportunity to travel or meet travelers.
GogglesGreek
I would say the internet should be helping, but everyone just looks at their own filtered feed of confirmation bias.
GogglesGreek
I think if we had more high-speed travel, rails and hyperloops and whatnot that was cheap, it'd certainly help some.
explosivelyshy
That's not entirely their fault either though. A lot of the filtering is also on the back end of the websites being used.Google does it too.
QuickINeedAName
There are always alternatives though. Not saying it would be easy or simple of course. Couldn't have a friend cover the farm for a few days?
thuderstick
I'm assuming you've never worked on a farm. It's not like house sitting a cat or a dog. It's a sun up to sun down dirty thankless job
thuderstick
And the majority of the people you know have their own farm to tend and can't spend time away or they lose money
Gegenschein
That's what they did on the end
thuderstick
I'm assuming you've never worked on a farm. It's not like house sitting a cat or a dog. It's a sun up to sun down dirty thankless job
gingerminge
I actually do pet sit for farms. I charge a shit ton.
HatsAreEssential
Lived by a guy who ran a cattle ranch with maybe 200 cows, did hay & manure sales on the side. I swear he worked from 5am to 11pm every day.
ThisIsWhatAUserNameLooksLike
it depends on the farm. My dad used to hire someone to do his "chores" when we were away. Usually his "mexicans" who also loaded pigs ...